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PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 08:56 AM
In reading the local paper just now, they don't give predicted standings but they list the AFC East finishing with New England 1, New York Jets 2, Buffalo 3, and the Dolphins in last place.

The strange part? They don't list why in the 3 paragraphs during the preview. In fact, they say "With few key losses and most of last season's defense still in tact, Miami's defense will only improve this season."

The defense was also called the "highlight of last season, as expected".

Their opening comment on the Jets: "The Jets may be the only team in the AFC East that can contend with the Patriots."

fatkirstyalley
09-07-2011, 09:07 AM
This is just becoming laughable. A few weeks back i would have gotten offended....now I just sit back and welcome it. **** the uninformed media

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 09:10 AM
In reading the local paper just now, they don't give predicted standings but they list the AFC East finishing with New England 1, New York Jets 2, Buffalo 3, and the Dolphins in last place.

The strange part? They don't list why in the 3 paragraphs during the preview. In fact, they say "With few key losses and most of last season's defense still in tact, Miami's defense will only improve this season."

The defense was also called the "highlight of last season, as expected".

Their opening comment on the Jets: "The Jets may be the only team in the AFC East that can contend with the Patriots."

I would remove the word "may". Buf and Miami can beat NE in a game but they will not be anywhere close to NE in the standings.

BlueFin
09-07-2011, 09:12 AM
This is the NFL...anything "may" happen...teams have gone from worst to first at a high frequency rate.

To ignore that is to be close-minded.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 09:41 AM
This is the NFL...anything "may" happen...teams have gone from worst to first at a high frequency rate.

To ignore that is to be close-minded.

Close-minded and nyjunc go hand in hand.

SuperMarksBros.
09-07-2011, 09:49 AM
I would remove the word "may". Buf and Miami can beat NE in a game but they will not be anywhere close to NE in the standings.
kthx for the insight, and also keep telling us how much better you are than us while we keep beating you

earthwake
09-07-2011, 09:50 AM
I would remove the word "may". Buf and Miami can beat NE in a game but they will not be anywhere close to NE in the standings.

You might as well bet your life savings on that in Vegas then, junk.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 09:51 AM
Close-minded and nyjunc go hand in hand.

I am always fair, have I said Miami doesn't have a chance to be a playoff contender? You guys want homers, you want people to say Miami is going to win the division, you want them to go on and on about how great Brandon scissorhands is going to be, about how Reggie Bush finally lives up to his hype, about how Henne turns the corner but objective people have questions.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 09:52 AM
You might as well bet your life savings on that in Vegas then, junk.

I don't gamble but if I did that is as sure a bet as you can find. Now if Brady goes down like 2008 then Miami could compete w/ NE, these are reasons I don't gamble but on paper heading into '11 Miami will not be near NE. The Jets are a better team and might not be near NE. NE is a great reg season team.

rvz1020
09-07-2011, 10:10 AM
I want to ask you an honest question and I expect an honest answer. On paper you think the Jets are better than miami? If so, is it close? And if you think Jets are better this year tell me the reasons why. I'm not trying to be funny or anything, I just want to see what a jets fan sees and what Im seeing.


I don't gamble but if I did that is as sure a bet as you can find. Now if Brady goes down like 2008 then Miami could compete w/ NE, these are reasons I don't gamble but on paper heading into '11 Miami will not be near NE. The Jets are a better team and might not be near NE. NE is a great reg season team.

earthwake
09-07-2011, 10:12 AM
I don't gamble but if I did that is as sure a bet as you can find. Now if Brady goes down like 2008 then Miami could compete w/ NE, these are reasons I don't gamble but on paper heading into '11 Miami will not be near NE. The Jets are a better team and might not be near NE. NE is a great reg season team.

Couldn't care less about your opinion. Notice I didn't call it fact, that should clue you in.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 10:15 AM
I want to ask you an honest question and I expect an honest answer. On paper you think the Jets are better than miami? If so, is it close? And if you think Jets are better this year tell me the reasons why. I'm not trying to be funny or anything, I just want to see what a jets fan sees and what Im seeing.

yes I think the Jets are clearly better than Miami on paper. Some of my reasons-

better QB
better OL
better coaching staff
better defense
more talent
more winning experience and big game experience
we didn't try to hire a new HC while our current one was still employed and we didn't try to get a new QB

Does this mean we will be better? Of course not but on paper we have a clear edge. IF Henne proves he can be a consitent QB, IF Bush/Thomas prove to be a good duo, IF your OL is much improved then you will have a chance at postseason. Those are a lot of if's though.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 10:16 AM
Can you help? I want to have a life like yours where I can act like a 10 year old and offer all opinions based on the teams I root for. Dolphins get arrested? it's ok, a jet gets arrested for the same thing and he should be suspended!:lol:

When a Dolphin has a history of being a douche and prior criminal record like Braylon Edwards, yes, he should be suspended. Anything else you'd like to spin before I get to class?

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 10:17 AM
Couldn't care less about your opinion. Notice I didn't call it fact, that should clue you in.

Stop wasting your posts coming after me and just contribute to the dicussions. if you would like to debate topics I am all for it but bring your A game.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 10:18 AM
Stop wasting your posts coming after me and just contribute to the dicussions. if you would like to debate topics I am all for it but bring your A game.

You contribute nothing to the discussion, yet you're still here. So stop telling other people what to do and look in the mirror clown.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 10:19 AM
When a Dolphin has a history of being a douche and prior criminal record like Braylon Edwards, yes, he should be suspended. Anything else you'd like to spin before I get to class?

so it's ok to drive drunk if you aren't a "douche" but if you are it's not ok? Please go to class and hopefully they can teach you how to put away the pom poms and act like an adult.

By the way, I said Braylon should be suspended even though no other teams supended their players for similar offenses. I can seperate my fandom from reality.

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You contribute nothing to the discussion, yet you're still here. So stop telling other people what to do and look in the mirror clown.

Stop wasting time deflecting from your lack of football knowledge by attacking me.

PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Can we hire a Bills troll to take Junc's place? I'm tired of the same rhetoric

rvz1020
09-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Okay. Good enough. Now heres is what I see and Ive been a miami fan since 1972 when I was 8 yrs old but I do admit what I see good or bad. I will go by your list:

I think Henne is much better than Sanchez and Ive thought this even last year when Henne had a bad year but I blame the OC, no oline and no running game for this downfall. Also, the coaches had him afraid of throwing picks so he played so tight that they made him look like a lost robot out there. Henne is bigger, stronger and smarter than sanchez. One thing I will give Sanchez is his late game heroics, he does have a tendency of having his best play late in the game while Henne has been the oppisite.

Jets better Oline, without a doubt.

Jets better coaching staff without a doubt.

Defense is close but jets do come up with big defensive games when needed and do stop opposing teams near goal line. This is why I rate Jets def better but its very close.

Mor talent? Here is where I disagree. I havent liked the jets offense since ken obrein was qb. This year especially, I think LT is done, Greene is not a guranantee, plax and mason are has beens so that leaves holmes. If you look at miamis offensive players, its not close.

Trying to get a new qb? Sparano's job is on the line and he will do anything to keep it and if that means to try another qb or rb, or anyone else he will do it. This was his downfall last year, he coached scared.


yes I think the Jets are clearly better than Miami on paper. Some of my reasons-

better QB
better OL
better coaching staff
better defense
more talent
more winning experience and big game experience
we didn't try to hire a new HC while our current one was still employed and we didn't try to get a new QB

Does this mean we will be better? Of course not but on paper we have a clear edge. IF Henne proves he can be a consitent QB, IF Bush/Thomas prove to be a good duo, IF your OL is much improved then you will have a chance at postseason. Those are a lot of if's though.

earthwake
09-07-2011, 10:35 AM
Stop wasting your posts coming after me and just contribute to the dicussions. if you would like to debate topics I am all for it but bring your A game.

Get real man. Every post from you is a slant against the Phins, with subtle jabs instead of posting things like "dolphags" or "gay sharks" like your inbred fellow fans. Seriously, you want to talk football with "knowledge", and then bring up things not even relevant to the team. Unreal that people fall for it, but I don't, and it doesn't look like R&R does either. You have a hard time with facts.

MadDog 88
09-07-2011, 10:47 AM
I am always fair, have I said Miami doesn't have a chance to be a playoff contender? You guys want homers, you want people to say Miami is going to win the division, you want them to go on and on about how great Brandon scissorhands is going to be, about how Reggie Bush finally lives up to his hype, about how Henne turns the corner but objective people have questions.

You say you are fair then insult Marshall in the next sentence?

rvz1020
09-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Just a little tidbit from some sportscasters:


For some national perspective on the Dolphins, we solicited views of prominent network analysts. Here’s some of the feedback:
### CBS’ Phil Simms would be surprised if the Dolphins win 10 games and contend for a wild card “because of what they’re up against in their division. But Miami can still be 9-7 and have a hell of a year.”
Simms was irritated when ESPN (Herm Edwards) ranked the Dolphins’ quarterback situation as the NFL’s worst. “What – are you crazy?” Simms said, rattling off the 49ers, Seahawks, and Redskins among those worse. Arizona’s “Kevin Kolb has the publicity, but Chad Henne is every bit as skilled or more skilled than a lot of guys. I’ve liked what I’ve seen of Henne this preseason. There are some physical things he looks like he’s doing better. He’s big, strong, has a powerful arm. With some other starting quarterbacks, I can’t say that.” And Simms predicts Mike Pouncey will be as good as his brother, Steelers center Maurkice.
### NBC’s Cris Collinsworth: “They have more big play strike-ability with changes in their [offensive philosophy] and adding Reggie Bush, and they are making progress in the place they need to make it most, which is throwing. I’ve seen days Henne is 12th to 15th among quarterbacks, and other days he’s 20 to 25. But the biggest question is can Bush hold up.” Collinsworth isn’t convinced.
He said Saints coach “Sean Payton and Al Michaels and I had a long conversation and Payton didn’t feel it was right for Reggie to be that 20 carry-a-game kind of guy… that he left New Orleans” saying “he wanted to be.” Payton “felt he was much better served” in a specialized role.
Added Collinsworth: “I don’t know where their running game is. Marc Colombo gave up a lot of sacks last year… I would be shocked if Miami won the division.”
### NFL Network’s Joe Theismann predicts “Henne will do well in this offense. You will get to see how good a thrower he is, and he will get in rhythm more.”
But Theismann said Miami’s running game isn’t good enough. “Sparano has got to look at [it] and say, ‘I’m beating my head against the wall. Let’s throw the ball 40 times.’ Running is not Bush’s talent. He’s a specialist. If I were on defense, I would take him out of your attack by blitzing and making him become a pass blocker.”
Theismann’s other complaint: “They didn’t spend on guys who are impact players” – such as DeAngelo Williams: “You sign Jason Taylor, Marc Colombo. I don’t understand it. Their best years are way behind them. The front office needs to do a much better job finding young players.”
### CBS’ Dan Dierdorf: In recent years, “Miami put the C in conservative.” Dierdorf knows Sparano has changed his philosophy. But “can they be more explosive? That remains to be seen. There is a lot to like defensively. But I’m going to have a see a regression by the Jets or Patriots to say Miami has a chance at a wildcard.”
### ESPN’s Jon Gruden seems skeptical: “I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a proven NFL backup, given Chad Henne has been inconsistent.”… ESPN’s Ron Jaworski is more optimistic: “They’ve got a wealth of talent on that front seven.”… Fox’s Jimmy Johnson: “The Dolphins will be better. But because of the division they’re in, it will be tough to make a wildcard.”… ESPN’s Tom Jackson: “To project them to second in the division, I just don’t see it happening. Sparano has to be more imaginative” offensively.



Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2011/09/sports-buzz-analysts-critique-dolphins-um-postscripts.html#ixzz1XHJbTYYZ

Clipse
09-07-2011, 10:56 AM
You say you are fair then insult Marshall in the next sentence?

Fair and objective. That's how junc rolls. He knows more about the sport and our team than our entire fanbase combined. He also thinks Mark Sanchez is pretty good. So I guess that proves just how much he really knows.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:00 AM
Okay. Good enough. Now heres is what I see and Ive been a miami fan since 1972 when I was 8 yrs old but I do admit what I see good or bad. I will go by your list:

I think Henne is much better than Sanchez and Ive thought this even last year when Henne had a bad year but I blame the OC, no oline and no running game for this downfall. Also, the coaches had him afraid of throwing picks so he played so tight that they made him look like a lost robot out there. Henne is bigger, stronger and smarter than sanchez. One thing I will give Sanchez is his late game heroics, he does have a tendency of having his best play late in the game while Henne has been the oppisite.

Jets better Oline, without a doubt.

Jets better coaching staff without a doubt.

Defense is close but jets do come up with big defensive games when needed and do stop opposing teams near goal line. This is why I rate Jets def better but its very close.

Mor talent? Here is where I disagree. I havent liked the jets offense since ken obrein was qb. This year especially, I think LT is done, Greene is not a guranantee, plax and mason are has beens so that leaves holmes. If you look at miamis offensive players, its not close.

Trying to get a new qb? Sparano's job is on the line and he will do anything to keep it and if that means to try another qb or rb, or anyone else he will do it. This was his downfall last year, he coached scared.

We disagree w/ regards to the QBs. There's a reason Miami was trying to replace Henne and the jets were not trying to replace sanchez. Henne has never won a big game whether in college or the NFL, that is a concern. We can blame the OC but that OC ran an offense w/ jake Delhomme at QB to a SB.

I'll take Holmes, Plax, Mason LT, Greene and keller over your skill position guys. LT is a part time back but still effective catching passes and running w/ the ball, Greene is hopefully ready to take on a larger role. We know Bush is not an every down back and we don't know if thomas can play in this league yet so the advantage has to go to us.

One other fact a dolphin fan should find disturbing about your HC. he has never been part of a playoff win, whether as an ***'t or HC. That's pretty scary.


Get real man. Every post from you is a slant against the Phins, with subtle jabs instead of posting things like "dolphags" or "gay sharks" like your inbred fellow fans. Seriously, you want to talk football with "knowledge", and then bring up things not even relevant to the team. Unreal that people fall for it, but I don't, and it doesn't look like R&R does either. You have a hard time with facts.

I apologize if the truth hurts, should I lie and tell you how great Miami has been and will be?

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You say you are fair then insult Marshall in the next sentence?

This is a big issue for you? I can't make fun of him? did I say he wasn't a top WR? if i said he wasn't a top WR then you'd have a point.

beanh8er
09-07-2011, 11:00 AM
Stop wasting your posts coming after me and just contribute to the dicussions. if you would like to debate topics I am all for it but bring your A game.
Like his A game is necessary.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:00 AM
Fair and objective. That's how junc rolls. He knows more about the sport and our team than our entire fanbase combined. He also thinks Mark Sanchez is pretty good. So I guess that proves just how much he really knows.

Chad henne did have a better rating so clearly he was better than Sanchez last year:lol:

Please teach me about this game?

rvz1020
09-07-2011, 11:08 AM
You cannot just go by winning playoff games if the games being won was mainly because of your defense and running game. I live in NY and I love it when people say Sanchez has brought the jets to 2 conference championship games. R they kidding or what? If you watch the games you will see the Jets were winning in spite of Sanchez, but he did have a good game in Indy that I will give him. Its like saying the ravens qb back in 2000 is better than marino because he won a superbowl and marino didnt. He was so good that I forgot his name. lmao.


Chad henne did have a better rating so clearly he was better than Sanchez last year:lol:

Please teach me about this game?

R3TARDxSTRONG
09-07-2011, 11:13 AM
This ****in guy...Hey junc, what forums AREN'T you on? Dealing with the complaining Fin fans is bad enough, to browse and have to see your garbage *** posts makes this place unbearable sometimes.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:14 AM
You cannot just go by winning playoff games if the games being won was mainly because of your defense and running game. I live in NY and I love it when people say Sanchez has brought the jets to 2 conference championship games. R they kidding or what? If you watch the games you will see the Jets were winning in spite of Sanchez, but he did have a good game in Indy that I will give him. Its like saying the ravens qb back in 2000 is better than marino because he won a superbowl and marino didnt. He was so good that I forgot his name. lmao.

Please tell me how the Jets won in spite of him? of course the D and running game helped but mark has yet to play a poor playoff game and has played really well in all but one(that was the Indy WC game but he led a GW drive in that one). mark also led us to 4-5 late comeback wins in the reg season, that's a special quality that he has while he is still developing. Henne has yet to help his team win a true big game.

XxfeensterxX
09-07-2011, 11:15 AM
Chad henne did have a better rating so clearly he was better than Sanchez last year:lol:

Please teach me about this game?

Well someone has to eventually! Theres good reason you have a spin meister badge under your name. You sound like a nerd in history class begging for someone to debate you, its pathetic and people know your just going to pull up bull**** stats and spin facts so they fall into a pro-jets stand point. No one cares enough to go digging through the internet looking for stats that clearly no one gives a **** about except for you.

To anyone with a hint of football knowledge Sanchez does not look better then Henne. The guy got way to lucky last year on dropped interceptions and is hiding behind a really good offensive line. You put Sanchez in Miami, we have 2-3 less wins last year.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:16 AM
This ****in guy...Hey junc, what forums AREN'T you on? Dealing with the complaining Fin fans is bad enough, to browse and have to see your garbage *** posts makes this place unbearable sometimes.

Once again I motivate a poster who rarely posts to waste one of his few posts whining about me.

earthwake
09-07-2011, 11:16 AM
This guy would take Holmes, a guy in jail for years, and a 40 year-old over a top 5 WR, a top slot guy, and a solid receiver in Hartline. Yep, objectivity at its finest folks.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:17 AM
Well someone has to eventually! Theres good reason you have a spin meister badge under your name. You sound like a nerd in history class begging for someone to debate you, its pathetic and people know your just going to pull up bull**** stats and spin facts so they fall into a pro-jets stand point. No one cares enough to go digging through the internet looking for stats that no one clearly gives a **** about except for you.

To anyone with a hint of football knowledge Sanchez does not look better then Henne. The guy got way to lucky last year on dropped interceptions and is hiding behind a really good offensive line. You put Sanchez in Miami, we have 2-3 less wins last year.

and another inactive poster is activated thanks to me.

Yes I pull up BS FACTS all the time.

if you bothered readinf the discussions you'd realize everything you just posted is false.

The only people who think henne was better than Sanchez last year are homer dolphin fans/Jet haters. Anyone w/ a hint of objectivity would correctly tell you Sanchez was significantly better.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 11:21 AM
all right fellas ... keep it civil in this one. if you want to argue with junc then have at it - let's just keep the name calling to a minimum.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:23 AM
This guy would take Holmes, a guy in jail for years, and a 40 year-old over a top 5 WR, a top slot guy, and a solid receiver in Hartline. Yep, objectivity at its finest folks.

a top slot guy is about in the 20-30 ranking for WRs. Our #3 WR had 4 more TDs than your #1 last year, Holmes is in Marshall's league. he doesn't get as many recs but he makes many more big plays.

I like your WR corps, it's a solid one but to act like your WR crops is much better than ours is laughable.

R3TARDxSTRONG
09-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Once again I motivate a poster who rarely posts to waste one of his few posts whining about me.

Yet another accolade ey? You must really win over the ladies.

earthwake
09-07-2011, 11:30 AM
a top slot guy is about in the 20-30 ranking for WRs. Our #3 WR had 4 more TDs than your #1 last year, Holmes is in Marshall's league. he doesn't get as many recs but he makes many more big plays.

I like your WR corps, it's a solid one but to act like your WR crops is much better than ours is laughable.

Oh boy. Holmes is in Marshall's league?

They came into the league the same year. The numbers:

-Marshall 413 receptions 5033 yards 28 TDs
-Holmes 287 receptions 4581 yards 26 TDs

-Marshall has 3 100-catch seasons
-Holmes has 0 100-catch seasons

-Marshall has 4 1000-yard seasons
-Holmes has 1 1000-yard season

What a JOKE. Use some facts junk.

Bess/Hartline>Mason/Burress. One duo will play 16 games, the other won't.

BigCityCat
09-07-2011, 11:31 AM
The fact is I don't care what anyone thinks about the Dolphins. In past years the fans believed and the pontificators disrespected our football team , football players and the game of football in their analysis of the Dolphins. Never the less the team had an energy fueld by fan support and a desire to probe the "experts" wrong. This year is a little different because the fan support isn't quite as positive. With good reason. To many times we have been burned by hope and potential. Its time for the Dolphins to instill some confidence in its fan base. Not just by playing hard but by playing smart as well. Countless times have I watched our kicked with 53 seconds to go kick the ball out of bounds. Starting at the 40 and two plays later a loss. Countless times have I seen a defender come up with a turnover and run it back only to see the opposing team come up from behind and knock the ball out. You can't just play hard. You have to play smart as well. We all know the Jets are going to blitz. When are our recievers and Quarterback going to pick it up and get on the same page. Break off your route. Get in tune with the quarterback. Play hard play smart.

I hope we have a good season but I will believe it when I see it.

BigCityCat
09-07-2011, 11:35 AM
Can't correct the wording errors with this android phone. Sorry

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 11:38 AM
I usually see junc debating and having constructive discussions on this site, but this one seems to be pretty trolly.

Predaphin
09-07-2011, 11:43 AM
When we start winning, they will have no choice but to talk about us

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 11:46 AM
Oh boy. Holmes is in Marshall's league?

They came into the league the same year. The numbers:

-Marshall 413 receptions 5033 yards 28 TDs
-Holmes 287 receptions 4581 yards 26 TDs

-Marshall has 3 100-catch seasons
-Holmes has 0 100-catch seasons

-Marshall has 4 1000-yard seasons
-Holmes has 1 1000-yard season

What a JOKE. Use some facts junk.

Bess/Hartline>Mason/Burress. One duo will play 16 games, the other won't.

It's a good thing we are knowledgeable fans that do not stricly use stats, right? Name me the big game Marshall has played in where he has been a difference maker to help his team win? putting up #s for bad teams out of the race is great but the best players make big plays when they are needed most and clearly Holmes does that on a regular basis.

Holmes is a playmaker, Marshall is a great possession WR.

Bess will never be as good as Mason and what has Hartline proven exactly? Our guys are old but productive. There are question marks for both sides.

Vaark
09-07-2011, 11:47 AM
Presently until proven otherwise, as a result of last season, objectively speaking Fitz and Henne flip-flopped from divisional 2nd best to worst. However, while no one will unseat Brady, it's not unlikely that Henne can again be the division's second best and Fitz its third.

Regarding the undeniable reach for Taco, no one up there in Delusionland is trying to replace him just like our brainiacs haven't shown John Jeffries the door, but even more so because it would be admitting that a trade up reach @5 was a collassal F/up instead at staying at 17 and drafting the real deal franchise QB Josh Freeman.

As far as trying to replace Henne with Orton, it's all relative since on the Broncos boards after the trade went through, the upset posters were suggesting en masse that for revenge he be offered to the jest as an upgrade and easier road to the SB. So outside of the TGG circlejerk.. it is what it is... especially considering there are probably 20 or more teams who wouldn't trade either their established or developmental QB for Taco

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/05/33nun9e-1.jpg

Jersey DolFan
09-07-2011, 11:52 AM
the more i read national news on sports, and this is any sport any team - the more i realize they are truely clueless in most cases. They go off of what beat writers say and alot of times stories get blown out of proportion for that reason. this is probably why the NFL is so "wild and surprising" every year. If we were to go read all 32 teams beat writers, assess preseason and offseason acquistions etc for every team we'd prob be able to predict things much more accuratly. these national guys are truely, truely clueless when it comes to the phins. they just pull things out of their hat based off last year an gut feelings - they dont really assess anything. so no need to get offended or mad its just funny. we are thrown in last just b/c they dont think of us. we are not relevant so 3rd or 4th place makes no difference to them. they just know the pats are perrenial contenders and the jets have a big name right now. we'll see what happens.

earthwake
09-07-2011, 11:55 AM
It's a good thing we are knowledgeable fans that do not stricly use stats, right? Name me the big game Marshall has played in where he has been a difference maker to help his team win? putting up #s for bad teams out of the race is great but the best players make big plays when they are needed most and clearly Holmes does that on a regular basis.

Holmes is a playmaker, Marshall is a great possession WR.

Bess will never be as good as Mason and what has Hartline proven exactly? Our guys are old but productive. There are question marks for both sides.

You give a team the option to take Marshall or Holmes, 0 take Holmes pal. 0. Don't let facts get in the way of delusion.

Bess will never be as good as Mason huh?

Here we go again...

-Mason's first 3 years in the league: 47 receptions 608 yards 3 TDs
-Bess first 3 years in the league: 209 receptions 2132 yards 8 TDs

Yeah no shot of being as good.

There are question marks but you totally sell these guys short for your own agendas.

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Junc thinks that because he thinks Sanchez is good that its a fact. He does it all the time when he posts...he has a biased opinion and then tries to portray it as fact based on senseless homerish bs.


As of right now i will say the Jets D has the upper hand over Miamis but i think Miamis D will take the next step this year. If they hold onto all those picks last year theyre considered a top 5 defense in the league. We both have good defenses. Miamis needs to be a little more consistent. Until they do then i would have to say the Jets D is better.

As far as talent i will say its up in the air because nobody really knows what Miamis offense is gonna do. Theres alot of new guys on our offense. We dont know how Reggie will be used or how hell do or how hell hold up, we have a rookie running back, a rookie speed threat WR...idk how rookie Charles Clay(fb/te) will be used and all of them in a brand new offense. As for the Jets, Burress and Mason are aging and their better years are behind them. Your only real receiving threats are Holmes and Keller and you cant say theyre better than Marshall and Bess.

The Dolphins look thin at RB on paper because they lack a proven featured back. Reggie Bush has never been a 20+ carries a game back. Daniel Thomas carried the workload at KSU but has only been a RB for only a few years and runs a bit upright(which is coachable). The thing is idk how theyre gonna do in regular season play. We only saw limited play from them in preseason. It looks like it could be promising if this O-line could get their sh*t together and if that happens i think the running game could be fairly good with these 2 backs. I know it doesnt look good on paper but theyre both unproven at this point so its really hard to say how they will do at the moment.

Im not even gonna debate the Sanchez/Henne thing because it will go on forever so im gonna leave that one be for now. Maybe we will debate it at the end of the year.

About Sparano/Rex and the coaching staffs. Sparano had his handpicked by Bill Parcells. BP has that conservative ground n pound philosophy and that wasnt gonna change with him there. Now Sparano (without BP involved) has a new OC with a whole new philosophy. I was critical of Sparanos conservative field goal kicking ways but people/things can change and im already pleased with what i have seen. Alot of players like Sparano. I know players wont come out and say they hate their coach if they did but most of them talked very highly of Sparano and hinted towards Henning being the main cause of the conservative/predictable offense. I will wait and see on this one.

About Rex, I think he could be humerous at times but he does have a big mouth and comes off sounding foolish quite a bit. He does a good job of motivating and getting his players to buy into his system tho. He has made two AFC Championship games....and i give most of the credit for that to his defense. He is a very good defensive coordinator.

Speaking of DC's, Mike Nolan is a very good DC too.


I really think the Fins and the Jets are alot closer than the media will make it sound.

Fintastic2124
09-07-2011, 11:56 AM
I usually see junc debating and having constructive discussions on this site, but this one seems to be pretty trolly.

It's really been like that lately. I ignored him because he started just coming on here and trolled around. It's been getting ridiculous lately.

Jersey DolFan
09-07-2011, 11:58 AM
I usually see junc debating and having constructive discussions on this site, but this one seems to be pretty trolly.

as september approaches - jet fans you once considered knowledgeable friends become big time homers. its a common problem. living in NJ i deal with it all the time. They go from unbiased fantasy football colleagues to hostile time bombs within about 10 days. its a phenomenon.

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 12:01 PM
You give a team the option to take Marshall or Holmes, 0 take Holmes pal. 0. Don't let facts get in the way of delusion.

Bess will never be as good as Mason huh?

Here we go again...

-Mason's first 3 years in the league: 47 receptions 608 yards 3 TDs
-Bess first 3 years in the league: 209 receptions 2132 yards 8 TDs

Yeah no shot of being as good.

There are question marks but you totally sell these guys short for your own agendas.

lol

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 12:02 PM
It's a good thing we are knowledgeable fans that do not stricly use stats, right? Name me the big game Marshall has played in where he has been a difference maker to help his team win? putting up #s for bad teams out of the race is great but the best players make big plays when they are needed most and clearly Holmes does that on a regular basis.

Holmes is a playmaker, Marshall is a great possession WR.

Bess will never be as good as Mason and what has Hartline proven exactly? Our guys are old but productive. There are question marks for both sides.

Arguing that Holmes is better than Marshall is pretty stupid. The fact that Marshall put up a thousand yards in our putrid offense last year makes the guy a demi god. I am not saying Marshall is far better, but he is better.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM
It's really been like that lately. I ignored him because he started just coming on here and trolled around. It's been getting ridiculous lately.

To you guys if you don't say Miami will win the div, henne is great, marshall is the best, the D will be #1 you consider that trolling. NEVER have I said Miami will suck, I speak honestly and too many of you homers cannot deal w/ that.


You give a team the option to take Marshall or Holmes, 0 take Holmes pal. 0. Don't let facts get in the way of delusion.

Bess will never be as good as Mason huh?

Here we go again...

-Mason's first 3 years in the league: 47 receptions 608 yards 3 TDs
-Bess first 3 years in the league: 209 receptions 2132 yards 8 TDs

Yeah no shot of being as good.

There are question marks but you totally sell these guys short for your own agendas.

I don't know about that. I promise you a bunch of Gms would take Holmes.

Who cares about Mason's first 3 years? he reached heights bess will never reach. bess is a nice WR who will average around 10 yds per, he's not close to Mason. mason may struggle a little this year being in a new system and getting older but on paper he gets the edge.

Jersey DolFan
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM
Junc thinks that because he thinks Sanchez is good that its a fact. He does it all the time when he posts...he has a biased opinion and then tries to portray it as fact based on senseless homerish bs.


As of right now i will say the Jets D has the upper hand over Miamis but i think Miamis D will take the next step this year. If they hold onto all those picks last year theyre considered a top 5 defense in the league. We both have good defenses. Miamis needs to be a little more consistent. Until they do then i would have to say the Jets D is better.

As far as talent i will say its up in the air because nobody really knows what Miamis offense is gonna do. Theres alot of new guys on our offense. We dont know how Reggie will be used or how hell do or how hell hold up, we have a rookie running back, a rookie speed threat WR...idk how rookie Charles Clay(fb/te) will be used and all of them in a brand new offense. As for the Jets, Burress and Mason are aging and their better years are behind them. Your only real receiving threats are Holmes and Keller and you cant say theyre better than Marshall and Bess.

The Dolphins look thin at RB on paper because they lack a proven featured back. Reggie Bush has never been a 20+ carries a game back. Daniel Thomas carried the workload at KSU but has only been a RB for only a few years and runs a bit upright(which is coachable). The thing is idk how theyre gonna do in regular season play. We only saw limited play from them in preseason. It looks like it could be promising if this O-line could get their sh*t together and if that happens i think the running game could be fairly good with these 2 backs. I know it doesnt look good on paper but theyre both unproven at this point so its really hard to say how they will do at the moment.

Im not even gonna debate the Sanchez/Henne thing because it will go on forever so im gonna leave that one be for now. Maybe we will debate it at the end of the year.

About Sparano/Rex and the coaching staffs. Sparano had his handpicked by Bill Parcells. BP has that conservative ground n pound philosophy and that wasnt gonna change with him there. Now Sparano (without BP involved) has a new OC with a whole new philosophy. I was critical of Sparanos conservative field goal kicking ways but people/things can change and im already pleased with what i have seen. Alot of players like Sparano. I know players wont come out and say they hate their coach if they did but most of them talked very highly of Sparano and hinted towards Henning being the main cause of the conservative/predictable offense. I will wait and see on this one.

About Rex, I think he could be humerous at times but he does have a big mouth and comes off sounding foolish quite a bit. He does a good job of motivating and getting his players to buy into his system tho. He has made two AFC Championship games....and i give most of the credit for that to his defense. He is a very good defensive coordinator.

Speaking of DC's, Mike Nolan is a very good DC too.


I really think the Fins and the Jets are alot closer than the media will make it sound.

funny - b/c the actual games say that too! lol. what are we 3-1 against these jets . . . against Rex's jets??? YES. this is why i cant stand jet fans during the season. if they beat you "screw the standings we are better" if you beat them "haha look at the standings" whatever. with them. the jets and dolphins are EXTREMLY comparable. jets homers are just eating up the media hype b/c they have been second tier in NY since their existence. Jets and dolphins are VERY close right now and have been for the past few years - the difference has been the clutch. the jets have just been able to put runs together at the end of the year. might come down to coaching or the locker room. Either way - with the entirely new offensive make over that most pundints and ppl outside of our fanbase have no clue about how drastic it really is we will see we edges this season. the jets need a sweep to even get to .500 against us in the rex vs sparano era.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 12:06 PM
as september approaches - jet fans you once considered knowledgeable friends become big time homers. its a common problem. living in NJ i deal with it all the time. They go from unbiased fantasy football colleagues to hostile time bombs within about 10 days. its a phenomenon.

:lol2::lol2: the last 2 years I have heard how Sparano is better than Rex, Henne better than Sanchez, Ricky/Ronnie better than our backs, fasano better than Keller, your WRs better than ours, your D better than ours and how you will be better but it doesn't seem to work out that way, right? The fans you are describing are exactly like many of the phin posters in this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 PM ----------


Arguing that Holmes is better than Marshall is pretty stupid. The fact that Marshall put up a thousand yards in our putrid offense last year makes the guy a demi god. I am not saying Marshall is far better, but he is better.

Show me where I said Holmes was better than Marshall?

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 12:07 PM
It's a good thing we are knowledgeable fans that do not stricly use stats, right? Name me the big game Marshall has played in where he has been a difference maker to help his team win? putting up #s for bad teams out of the race is great but the best players make big plays when they are needed most and clearly Holmes does that on a regular basis.



You may not have used those exact words, but that paragraph clearly implies Holmes is the better player.

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 12:11 PM
To you guys if you don't say Miami will win the div, henne is great, marshall is the best, the D will be #1 you consider that trolling. NEVER have I said Miami will suck, I speak honestly and too many of you homers cannot deal w/ that.



I don't know about that. I promise you a bunch of Gms would take Holmes.

Who cares about Mason's first 3 years? he reached heights bess will never reach. bess is a nice WR who will average around 10 yds per, he's not close to Mason. mason may struggle a little this year being in a new system and getting older but on paper he gets the edge.

ummm because Bess has only played 3 years and thats all you can compare at this point...for all you know Bess could go on to have a better career but at this point and time all you can do is compare their first 3 years and as of right now Bess is the better receiver because Bess is entering his prime and Mason is on the downturn of his career.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 12:12 PM
your inferences aren't as clever as you think they are junc. i know you love your jets - but you're either being stupid or trolling in this thread - and i know you're not stupid.

so you think the constant churning at WR is somehow good for the development of your young QB? i guess we'll disregard that one. :)

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 12:16 PM
Dont get me wrong Mason is a still a fairly effective receiver but you cant tell me he isnt on the downturn of his career. If Henne could turn the corner and really flourish in this offense Bess could really put up some numbers.

PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 12:19 PM
Once again I motivate a poster who rarely posts to waste one of his few posts whining about me.

A part of your bucket list isn't it?

earthwake
09-07-2011, 12:19 PM
I don't know about that. I promise you a bunch of Gms would take Holmes.

Who cares about Mason's first 3 years? he reached heights bess will never reach. bess is a nice WR who will average around 10 yds per, he's not close to Mason. mason may struggle a little this year being in a new system and getting older but on paper he gets the edge.

Dude, Tannenbaum himself would take Marshall over Holmes. Imagine the hype you'd have if you had a genetic freak like Marshall at receiver. He'd be labeled totally different than he is now. No Gm's pass on a guy who guarantees 1000 yards a season, don't be delusional. We're talking about a guy who has caught 19 passes in a game. He would do ridiculous things on a team with a Peyton Manning or Brees.

Mason's first 3 years < Bess' first 3 years. That's all we have to go on. Plain and simple.

Canadianfishfan
09-07-2011, 12:21 PM
The funny thing about the evaluations that many people are making about our team is that I believe they are equating on field success in relation to the off field mess. The Harbaugh fiasco, then Sparano left in lurch. The apparent courting of Orton.

The defense is pretty much the same s last year. But improved IMO. I'm very excited to see what Odrick brings.

Our offense finally has been revamped. From the OC to the Rbs, keeping an extra receiver. We're going to see an entirely different Miami offense. I don't believe anyone.. not even any of us fans can predict some of the plays for formations we're going to see. We ARE going to surprise people. Let the Jets take all the media attention and love fest because they throw money at free agents. But their free agents have won them as many Super Bowls as Miami in the past few years.

As Bilicheck says himself. We all know last years record. That was last year... it doesn't matter anymore. Any given Sunday anything can happen.

The ONLY way to change opinions is to win. Winning solves everything.

PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 12:22 PM
I don't know about that. I promise you a bunch of Gms would take Holmes.

Who cares about Mason's first 3 years? he reached heights bess will never reach. bess is a nice WR who will average around 10 yds per, he's not close to Mason. mason may struggle a little this year being in a new system and getting older but on paper he gets the edge.

It isn't possible for one to dismiss Bess when statistically he's been better than Mason was in his first 3 years. If Mason can turn it on after having only 47 catches in three years, why can't Bess b/c equally as good? You have no basis on which to make that comment.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Dont get me wrong Mason is a still a fairly effective receiver but you cant tell me he isnt on the downturn of his career. If Henne could turn the corner and really flourish in this offense Bess could really put up some numbers.

on the downturn? the man is 37 years old. might be a zombie for all i know. then you've got 34 year old - hasn't played in the NFL for how long??? - burress. and somehow bringing in these corpses is supposed to help sanchez? please ...

if sanchez succeeds it will be in spite of rex, not because of him. he's got a great O-line and some solid backs, but sexy rexy ain't exactly helping his young QB's cause.

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 12:27 PM
Trust me i think the addition of Burress and Mason were bad moves as well, i already said Burress and Masons better days are behind them.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Trust me i think the addition of Burress and Mason were bad moves as well, i already said Burress and Masons better days are behind them.

i was agreeing. vehemently. :up:

Nawledge
09-07-2011, 12:30 PM
I dont even know how Junc could justify them as good moves...he must still be drunk from Labor Day weekend....

jtoomuch
09-07-2011, 12:34 PM
I am always fair, have I said Miami doesn't have a chance to be a playoff contender? You guys want homers, you want people to say Miami is going to win the division, you want them to go on and on about how great Brandon scissorhands is going to be, about how Reggie Bush finally lives up to his hype, about how Henne turns the corner but objective people have questions. Objective people also see reasons for the Jets to decline this year. Some of us think they had their shot.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 12:36 PM
I dont even know how Junc could justify them as good moves...he must still be drunk from Labor Day weekend....

junc is a hardcore jets fan - love him or hate him you've got to respect how much he stands by his team. he typically brings some great debates to this site that make for interesting discussions - if nothing else - but he got a little 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' in this one. it happens to the best of us ...

rvz1020
09-07-2011, 12:48 PM
Yes we know Henne hasnt done it yet and with the way he is performing in preseason with a new offensive scheme and an OC with half a brain we are expecting this from him this year. Yes in spite of Sanchez.. Are you watching the same games as I am? He is throwing at a 54% clip. He is too inaccurate to ever be a good qb. All I ask is you have an open mind when watching this bozo play. I didnt like him in college and I sure dont like him in the pros. you guys could have taken freeman who I thought was better coming out and he is proving me right.



Please tell me how the Jets won in spite of him? of course the D and running game helped but mark has yet to play a poor playoff game and has played really well in all but one(that was the Indy WC game but he led a GW drive in that one). mark also led us to 4-5 late comeback wins in the reg season, that's a special quality that he has while he is still developing. Henne has yet to help his team win a true big game.

MadDog 88
09-07-2011, 12:52 PM
I honestly believe the 2 most over rated teams in the NFL are the Pats and Jets. The media is trying to create the same type of rivalry that the Yankees vs Red Sox generates for MLB. It's pathetic. The Pats are not nearly as good as they were 5 years ago and the Jets are the media's creation of a jolly band of idiots on a team that has had no bearing on the NFL in 40 years in the media capitol of the world.

Junc, wah wah wah with how the Jets were in the AFC Championship for 2 years. They are highly over rated, lucky and took a step back this off season. They are a good team but not nearly what you think they are.

MadDog 88
09-07-2011, 12:53 PM
P.S. Junc. I know the Dolphins have not been relevant in 38 years so save the response about that.

phintim
09-07-2011, 12:58 PM
yes I think the Jets are clearly better than Miami on paper. Some of my reasons-

better QB
better OL
better coaching staff
better defense
more talent
more winning experience and big game experience
we didn't try to hire a new HC while our current one was still employed and we didn't try to get a new QB

Does this mean we will be better? Of course not but on paper we have a clear edge. IF Henne proves he can be a consitent QB, IF Bush/Thomas prove to be a good duo, IF your OL is much improved then you will have a chance at postseason. Those are a lot of if's though.

While I disagree with most of your reasoning the proof is in the pudding and you did not start winning until Rex showed up so I give you the nod on the coach. Three years ago your team was not that good until the last 2 years.
While I like where we have come from and think are better off than we have been in some time Rex made you a better team overnight and unitl we can beat your record you have the bragging rights.
Just hope we kick your butt in the division this year and it had always made me feel real good to see a Ginn type win over you at any time.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 02:18 PM
You may not have used those exact words, but that paragraph clearly implies Holmes is the better player.

It does not imply that at all. I wrote he was on the same level as Marshall and he is. they are both top 10 WRs int he 5-10 range.


ummm because Bess has only played 3 years and thats all you can compare at this point...for all you know Bess could go on to have a better career but at this point and time all you can do is compare their first 3 years and as of right now Bess is the better receiver because Bess is entering his prime and Mason is on the downturn of his career.

We'll see, I like Bess. He is a good player but he's not close to what Derrick Mason has been and what Burress used to be. Burress at 70% of what he was 3 years ago is better than Bess. D's have to respect Burress even 3 years after his last game.


your inferences aren't as clever as you think they are junc. i know you love your jets - but you're either being stupid or trolling in this thread - and i know you're not stupid.

so you think the constant churning at WR is somehow good for the development of your young QB? i guess we'll disregard that one. :)

I didn't say that. I laughed at the notion that Miami has a much better WR corps. I would have preferred to keep Cotch and Edwards but we did ok w/ Burress and Mason. The key guy is Holmes back for a full season not 12 games like last year. I think going forward our WR corps will change almost annually, they aren't going to sink big dollars into a 2nd WR. They will have Holmes and keller as the main guys and try to add other WRs around them(w/ Kerley as our slot guy in the future).


Dont get me wrong Mason is a still a fairly effective receiver but you cant tell me he isnt on the downturn of his career. If Henne could turn the corner and really flourish in this offense Bess could really put up some numbers.

Of Course he is, he's closer to 40 than 30 but he's still an effective WR. let's not act like he can't play. There may be some early struggles getting on the same page w/ him and Burress but by midseason I expect this WR corps to be pretty damn good.


Dude, Tannenbaum himself would take Marshall over Holmes. Imagine the hype you'd have if you had a genetic freak like Marshall at receiver. He'd be labeled totally different than he is now. No Gm's pass on a guy who guarantees 1000 yards a season, don't be delusional. We're talking about a guy who has caught 19 passes in a game. He would do ridiculous things on a team with a Peyton Manning or Brees.

Mason's first 3 years < Bess' first 3 years. That's all we have to go on. Plain and simple.

I don't think Tannenbaum or Rex would take Marshall over Holmes. We have our big WR in Burress(who was better than Marsahll before he shot himself), holmes is our playmaker. Every team could use a big possession guy but we sunk our money into a big playmaker. I think it would be fairly split on GMs if you polled them. You can't go wrong w/ either though.


That's not all we have to go on, mason didn't play his 1st 3 years. use his 1st 3 years as a starter and he blows away bess and his paltry 10 yds per rec avg.

The bottom line is we both have good WR corps. I don't think you could say one is much better than the other. we have more playmakers, you have more possession guys.


It isn't possible for one to dismiss Bess when statistically he's been better than Mason was in his first 3 years. If Mason can turn it on after having only 47 catches in three years, why can't Bess b/c equally as good? You have no basis on which to make that comment.

Mason's first 3 years as a starter he averaged 14 yds epr rec, had 2 1,000 yd seasons(Bess' high is 820) and scored 19 TDs.

Even in limited action his first 3 years he averaged 13 yds per, in 3 years bess' best yds per has been 10.4. he's not going to be a Derrick Mason.


I dont even know how Junc could justify them as good moves...he must still be drunk from Labor Day weekend....

How are they bad moves exactly?


Objective people also see reasons for the Jets to decline this year. Some of us think they had their shot.

Others see the run just beginning. Our core is young, our QB is entering year 3, we have 10 of 11 starters back on D, we have 8 of 11 starters back on O in a year w/ no OTAs. That's HUGE.


Yes we know Henne hasnt done it yet and with the way he is performing in preseason with a new offensive scheme and an OC with half a brain we are expecting this from him this year. Yes in spite of Sanchez.. Are you watching the same games as I am? He is throwing at a 54% clip. He is too inaccurate to ever be a good qb. All I ask is you have an open mind when watching this bozo play. I didnt like him in college and I sure dont like him in the pros. you guys could have taken freeman who I thought was better coming out and he is proving me right.

You are just looking at stats and not watching him play. He brought us back vs. denver, he brought us back vs. detroit, he had an amazing final drive against Houston to pull out a game, he led us on a GW drive in the playoffs at Indy, badly outplayed Tom Brady in the div rd on the road.

he's not great and may never be great but he's good and getting better.


I honestly believe the 2 most over rated teams in the NFL are the Pats and Jets. The media is trying to create the same type of rivalry that the Yankees vs Red Sox generates for MLB. It's pathetic. The Pats are not nearly as good as they were 5 years ago and the Jets are the media's creation of a jolly band of idiots on a team that has had no bearing on the NFL in 40 years in the media capitol of the world.

Junc, wah wah wah with how the Jets were in the AFC Championship for 2 years. They are highly over rated, lucky and took a step back this off season. They are a good team but not nearly what you think they are.

How is a team that has won their div every year Brady has been healthy since 2003 overrated and how is a team that made back to back title games overrated?


Junc for gods sake go to Jets board you a lurker and a d-bag 'nothing personal'. Whenever the fish get written off historically they over achieve whenever they get anointed they tank.

can we get a special icon made up that I can post everytime I get a lurker to post?

PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 02:22 PM
Mason's first 3 years as a starter he averaged 14 yds epr rec, had 2 1,000 yd seasons(Bess' high is 820) and scored 19 TDs.

Even in limited action his first 3 years he averaged 13 yds per, in 3 years bess' best yds per has been 10.4. he's not going to be a Derrick Mason.

Says the guy who doesn't like to use stats to prove points. What you stated still has nothing to do with whether or not Bess's career will resemble Mason's or not.

MadDog 88
09-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Junc the Pats have not one a playoff game in 4 years. The Jets have won in spite of their QB not because of him. You invested in old men as your playmakers, your DL and OL took a step back and LT is another year older. Good team nothing more. Over rated.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Says the guy who doesn't like to use stats to prove points. What you stated still has nothing to do with whether or not Bess's career will resemble Mason's or not.

some stats tell us what we need to know- 10 yds per for Bess and 12 for Marshall is not good.

I wish people would pay attention. I have never discounted all stats, they tell part of the story. You guys were discussing the first 3 years and crowing about #s then when you are proven wrong you whine. I didn't think you were one of those phinz, I guess I was finally wrong about something.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 02:28 PM
Junc the Pats have not one a playoff game in 4 years. The Jets have won in spite of their QB not because of him. You invested in old men as your playmakers, your DL and OL took a step back and LT is another year older. Good team nothing more. Over rated.

Whether you think we won in spite of our QB(which is absolute nonsense) or not has nothing to do w/ the fact we have made the last 2 title games- the ONLY team to do so.

Old men as our playmakers like Santonio Holmes.

How did our DL and Ol take steps back? please explain.

moonman
09-07-2011, 02:29 PM
I have seen quite a few predictions showing the Bills improving. Even saw one that had them taking second in the division. The weird thing is NONE of them say why. I watched a segment on either ESPN or NFL Network where the reasoning was, "I liked how they competed in games last year." Talk about vague BS.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 03:12 PM
It's a good thing we are knowledgeable fans that do not stricly use stats, right? Name me the big game Marshall has played in where he has been a difference maker to help his team win? putting up #s for bad teams out of the race is great but the best players make big plays when they are needed most and clearly Holmes does that on a regular basis.

Holmes is a playmaker, Marshall is a great possession WR.

Bess will never be as good as Mason and what has Hartline proven exactly? Our guys are old but productive. There are question marks for both sides.

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read. This alone shows your a fraud with no common sense.

By your logic :

- Calvin Johnson was on Det for his entire career, and was there only star player for a LONG time, but since he never played in a meaningful game hes not a good WR.

- Andre Johnson cant sniff being a good wideout because his team has never been better than .500, and has never made the game winning catch in a "meaningful game".

- Djax? Naw, not good at all, Philly hasnt been to the big dance since hes been in the league, has to be his fault.

MODS: Why do the forum rules apply to Yets fans, anyways? We should be able to say whatever we want to this clown, hes obviously trolling the f*ck out of us on this thread. I swear, you guys think its "cool" and "anti-homer" to have a rival living on this board. I'll never respect a Yets fan that trolls as much as this guy, open your eyes.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:17 PM
for the love of God you guys, stop it with the personal attacks. attack the post, not the poster. simple enough.

and if you can't handle this simple concept, at least have the decency to use correct grammar when calling someone else stupid.

example - YOU'RE (not YOUR) an idiot, a fraud, etc.. really making us look bad over here.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:20 PM
This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read. This alone shows your a fraud with no common sense.

By your logic :

- Calvin Johnson was on Det for his entire career, and was there only star player for a LONG time, but since he never played in a meaningful game hes not a good WR.

- Andre Johnson cant sniff being a good wideout because his team has never been better than .500, and has never made the game winning catch in a "meaningful game".

- Djax? Naw, not good at all, Philly hasnt been to the big dance since hes been in the league, has to be his fault.

MODS: Why do the forum rules apply to Yets fans, anyways? We should be able to say whatever we want to this clown, hes obviously trolling the f*ck out of us on this thread. I swear, you guys think its "cool" and "anti-homer" to have a rival living on this board. I'll never respect a Yets fan that trolls as much as this guy, open your eyes.

as for the last part, we'll always think he's trolling b/c his bias is obviously skewed towards his team. although this one is especially ridiculous, it doesn't change anything. no - i don't think he is purposely trolling. i would have to ban half the people on this site for half the naive **** they post here on a daily basis if that was the case. the rules apply to everyone the same, regardless of their hated affiliations.

read the TOS dammit. :lol:

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:30 PM
for the love of God you guys, stop it with the personal attacks. attack the post, not the poster. simple enough.

and if can't handle this simple concept, at least have the decency to use correct grammar when calling someone else stupid.

example - YOU'RE (not YOUR) an idiot, a fraud, etc.. really making us look bad over here.

Is telling people they have no clue what they're talking about not attacking the poster and not the post? Juncs a real pro at that. Ban him for his passive aggressive, backhanded trolling, and attacks on posters and we wouldn't have this problem.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 03:31 PM
This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read. This alone shows your a fraud with no common sense.

By your logic :

- Calvin Johnson was on Det for his entire career, and was there only star player for a LONG time, but since he never played in a meaningful game hes not a good WR.

- Andre Johnson cant sniff being a good wideout because his team has never been better than .500, and has never made the game winning catch in a "meaningful game".

- Djax? Naw, not good at all, Philly hasnt been to the big dance since hes been in the league, has to be his fault.

MODS: Why do the forum rules apply to Yets fans, anyways? We should be able to say whatever we want to this clown, hes obviously trolling the f*ck out of us on this thread. I swear, you guys think its "cool" and "anti-homer" to have a rival living on this board. I'll never respect a Yets fan that trolls as much as this guy, open your eyes.

Calvin Johnson averages almost 16 yds per rec and has TWO 12 TD seasons.

Andre Johnson averages almsot 14 yds per rec and has had 8 or more TDs each of the last 4 years

Jackson is not on the level of the other 2 you mentioned

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 03:31 PM
It does not imply that at all. I wrote he was on the same level as Marshall and he is. they are both top 10 WRs int he 5-10 range.




You said Marshall doesn't make big plays in big games, then you said great players make big plays in big games. So by your logic Marshall is not a great player. Then you said Holmes consistently does make those plays making him a great player. So you said Holmes is great and Marshall is not. Maybe that is not what you meant, but it is what you said.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 03:34 PM
for the love of God you guys, stop it with the personal attacks. attack the post, not the poster. simple enough.

and if can't handle this simple concept, at least have the decency to use correct grammar when calling someone else stupid.

example - YOU'RE (not YOUR) an idiot, a fraud, etc.. really making us look bad over here.

Hey pot, I'm kettle. :chuckle:

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Is telling people they have no clue what they're talking about not attacking the poster and not the post? Juncs a real pro at that. Ban him for his passive aggressive, backhanded trolling, and attacks on posters and we wouldn't have this problem.

yes, junc is a real pro at not breaking the TOS. i am aware. :lol:

you guys are killing me. he's obviously wrong in this debacle of a thread. can't you guys prove that without calling him names? dammit!

NY8123
09-07-2011, 03:37 PM
This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read. This alone shows your a fraud with no common sense.

By your logic :

- Calvin Johnson was on Det for his entire career, and was there only star player for a LONG time, but since he never played in a meaningful game hes not a good WR.

- Andre Johnson cant sniff being a good wideout because his team has never been better than .500, and has never made the game winning catch in a "meaningful game".

- Djax? Naw, not good at all, Philly hasnt been to the big dance since hes been in the league, has to be his fault.

MODS: Why do the forum rules apply to Yets fans, anyways? We should be able to say whatever we want to this clown, hes obviously trolling the f*ck out of us on this thread. I swear, you guys think its "cool" and "anti-homer" to have a rival living on this board. I'll never respect a Yets fan that trolls as much as this guy, open your eyes.


Forum rules apply to everyone from the site owner down if not it would be hypocrisy.

We are not defending junc's point of view so much as we are defending junc's right to post his point of view here. You don't have to agree with his, mine or anyone else's point of view on the board. Feel free to debate to no end your own point of view and feel free to debate anyones post on this board, just don't do it at the expense of the forum rules and especially not in the form of personal attacks.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 03:37 PM
Calvin Johnson averages almost 16 yds per rec and has TWO 12 TD seasons.

Andre Johnson averages almsot 14 yds per rec and has had 8 or more TDs each of the last 4 years

Jackson is not on the level of the other 2 you mentioned

And this post has exactly what merit, in response to the quote at hand?

Edit: I like how in your post quoted by me, it discourages the use of stats, yet you repsond with nothing but. You're on a roll today, sir.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:38 PM
Hey pot, I'm kettle. :chuckle:

fugg me. :bobdole:

well if i didn't have to answer a million IM's from you guys about this **** ... ahh fugg it. i suck too. :lol:

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 03:38 PM
And this post has exactly what merit, in response to the quote at hand?

Holmes and Marshall are close, none of them are close to Calvin or Andre Johnson. The big plays can seperate guys that are close. I still think Marshall is slightly better than Holmes but they are on the same level.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:38 PM
yes, junc is a real pro at not breaking the TOS. i am aware. :lol:

you guys are killing me. he's obviously wrong in this debacle of a thread. can't you guys prove that without calling him names? dammit!

I'm quite sure I've been given warnings/infractions in the past for calling someone clueless. Yet Junc gets away with it. What exactly does he have a picture of you doing?

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Is telling people they have no clue what they're talking about not attacking the poster and not the post? Juncs a real pro at that. Ban him for his passive aggressive, backhanded trolling, and attacks on posters and we wouldn't have this problem.

YOU are bringing this up w/ the childish attacks you posted today?

---------- Post added at 03:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 PM ----------


You said Marshall doesn't make big plays in big games, then you said great players make big plays in big games. So by your logic Marshall is not a great player. Then you said Holmes consistently does make those plays making him a great player. So you said Holmes is great and Marshall is not. Maybe that is not what you meant, but it is what you said.

I don't throw around the word "great" often, I don't think either is great. I think both are really, really good.

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 03:40 PM
And this post has exactly what merit, in response to the quote at hand?

Edit: I like how in your post quoted by me, it discourages the use of stats, yet you repsond with nothing but. You're on a roll today, sir.

I believe he is saying Marshall and Bess don't have good ypc making them lesser receivers. There is some truth to that, but part of that blame has to be laid at the feet of Henne and moreso at the feet of Dan (Outs and curls) Henning.

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 03:43 PM
I don't throw around the word "great" often, I don't think either is great. I think both are really, really good.

Being a jet fan I guess you wouldn't get to use the word great very often. lol just a joke.


I see what you are saying though and I think I am arguing semantics at this point. Your post appeared to me like you were saying that Holmes is the superior receiver, but you have come on and said that is not what you were saying. I believe we are on the same page now.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:44 PM
YOU are bringing this up w/ the childish attacks you posted today?

Childish attacks or truth? You're a troll, and have always been a troll who has no clue about anything you're talking about. All you do is take over threads and turn them into Jets vs. Dolphins threads. Nobody gives 2 ****s about your ignorant opinions about or team, and especially yours. Holmes is as good as Marshall. Sanchez is a very good QB. Shonn Greene is very good. Antonio Cromartie is very good. Matt Slauson is good. You're clueless. Get off this board and go discipline you ho wife jackass.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:44 PM
fine. you guys win. i'll move it to the depths so you can call each other whatever you damn well please. junc made this one SO easy for you guys. yet you had to resort to name calling. come on. :bobdole:

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't throw around the word "great" often, I don't think either is great. I think both are really, really good.

Unless it's a Jet at which point they become among the best to ever play the position.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 03:46 PM
I believe he is saying Marshall and Bess don't have good ypc making them lesser receivers. There is some truth to that, but part of that blame has to be laid at the feet of Henne and moreso at the feet of Dan (Outs and curls) Henning.

Then he should've said it. Because I just shot what he really said, full of holes.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:46 PM
fine. you guys win. i'll move it to the depths so you can call each other whatever you damn well please. junc made this one SO easy for you guys. yet you had to resort to name calling. come on. :bobdole:

So resort to putting it into the depths while giving every DOLPHIN fan on a DOLPHIN message board infractions while allowing Junc to tell everyone they're clueless and don't know what they're talking about it. Got it. Might as well move every thread junc posts in to the depths because trolling, insulting, saying stupid ****, and instigating is all he's good for.

Junc made it so easy because he's a clueless ****, but what does it really matter. The guy's a broken record. The same ol spin post after post after post. What a ****tard.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:51 PM
i'm gonna get in on this one now.

R&R - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. you can talk about junc's wife banging other dudes and then ***** about him responding with 'clueless'? are you fugging kidding me? what the hell are you smoking? and when can i get some?

this is not a difficult concept. attack the post. 'that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.' cool. great.

'you're the stupidest person in the world.' not cool. not great.

and as far as the whole 'clueless' thing goes ... meh. sure, it's whatever. do you really think we sit here all day and give out infractions to people that call others 'clueless'? especially when they get a little latitude for INSANE **** said earlier in the thread?

you guys let junc win. again. YOU did this by this thread ending up here when his argument was SOOOOO ridiculous. fugg us. :bobdole:

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 03:54 PM
Childish attacks or truth? You're a troll, and have always been a troll who has no clue about anything you're talking about. All you do is take over threads and turn them into Jets vs. Dolphins threads. Nobody gives 2 ****s about your ignorant opinions about or team, and especially yours. Holmes is as good as Marshall. Sanchez is a very good QB. Shonn Greene is very good. Antonio Cromartie is very good. Matt Slauson is good. You're clueless. Get off this board and go discipline you ho wife jackass.

:rolleyes2: if you are going to come after me you have to do better than this.


Then he should've said it. Because I just shot what he really said, full of holes.

What exactly did you shoot full of holes? Please explain.


So resort to putting it into the depths while giving every DOLPHIN fan on a DOLPHIN message board infractions while allowing Junc to tell everyone they're clueless and don't know what they're talking about it. Got it.

Junc made it so easy because he's a clueless ****, but what does it really matter. The guy's a broken record. The same ol spin post after post after post. What a ****tard.

Yes I am the one who spins, how come since 2009 posters like you tell me how much better Miami will be than the jets and it never happens? Hmmm, maybe I do know what I am talking about and you are being the homer- what do you think?

I await your childish response.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 03:54 PM
So resort to putting it into the depths while giving every DOLPHIN fan on a DOLPHIN message board infractions while allowing Junc to tell everyone they're clueless and don't know what they're talking about it. Got it.

Junc made it so easy because he's a clueless ****, but what does it really matter. The guy's a broken record. The same ol spin post after post after post. What a ****tard.

they mostly got warnings, actually. you got the infraction based on intense name calling. so you win. :lol:

yes he spins ****. yes he does it well. no he didn't break the TOS. clueless? no idea what they're talking about? grow up. who cares?

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:57 PM
You would think calling other people clueless wouldn't be tolerated so much when it's a rival poster. But as you said, Junc wins again. Mods just let his trolling run rampant. Let him derail every thread with his pro Jets anti Dolphins bull**** despite the thread having nothing to do with the Jets in the 1st place. I swear he must have pictures of some of you mods in a circle jerk or something. Or maybe it's just me, because I've been warned/given infractions for some petty **** in the past.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 03:59 PM
they mostly got warnings, actually. you got the infraction based on intense name calling. so you win. :lol:

yes he spins ****. yes he does it well. no he didn't break the TOS. clueless? no idea what they're talking about? grow up. who cares?

I care since it's a "personal attack" that I myself have been given warning/infractions for in the past. Not to mention Junc is an ignorant ********ing douche and I'll throw whatever **** against the wall that's required to get him to stop polluting this board with his bull****.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 04:00 PM
:rolleyes2: if you are going to come after me you have to do better than this.



What exactly did you shoot full of holes? Please explain.



Yes I am the one who spins, how come since 2009 posters like you tell me how much better Miami will be than the jets and it never happens? Hmmm, maybe I do know what I am talking about and you are being the homer- what do you think?

I await your childish response.

Just read everything I have posted. You know you were pissing into the wind with this one, but the Mods/Trollable Fans saved you again. Just know, your not as slick as you think you are.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:02 PM
You would think calling other people clueless wouldn't be tolerated so much when it's a rival poster. But as you said, Junc wins again. Mods just let his trolling run rampant. Let him derail every thread with his pro Jets anti Dolphins bull**** despite the thread having nothing to do with the Jets in the 1st place. I swear he must have pictures of some of you mods in a circle jerk or something. Or maybe it's just me, because I've been warned/given infractions for some petty **** in the past.

this thread got moved here just so you could call him names. talk about all the dudes turning his wife out. i mean fugg man. do it!

and as hard as it is to believe, there is no favoritism. and when junc does break the TOS - he does get hit. but you know what? he's smart enough not to. feel free to report any post you feel is in violation and i would be glad to do **** about it - and will even let you know how it went if that makes you feel better.

in the meantime, call junc's wife a whore. i know you want to. :lol:

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:07 PM
Just read everything I have posted. You know you were pissing into the wind with this one, but the Mods/Trollable Fans saved you again. Just know, your not as slick as you think you are.

Please explain, if you can't do it I understand.


this thread got moved here just so you could call him names. talk about all the dudes turning his wife out. i mean fugg man. do it!

and as hard as it is to believe, there is no favoritism. and when junc does break the TOS - he does get hit. but you know what? he's smart enough not to. feel free to report any post you feel is in violation and i would be glad to do **** about it - and will even let you know how it went if that makes you feel better.

in the meantime, call junc's wife a whore. i know you want to. :lol:

Do I ever report posts? I get nitwit attacks from posters likethe R&R express(how's that working out by the way?) and I never report. Obviously people like him cross the line but I don't let morons get to me.

NY8123
09-07-2011, 04:08 PM
:rolleyes2: if you are going to come after me you have to do better than this.



What exactly did you shoot full of holes? Please explain.



Yes I am the one who spins, how come since 2009 posters like you tell me how much better Miami will be than the jets and it never happens? Hmmm, maybe I do know what I am talking about and you are being the homer- what do you think?

I await your childish response.

Your Sanchez blow up doll oh I mean junc shot it full of holes!

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:08 PM
I care since it's a "personal attack" that I myself have been given warning/infractions for in the past. Not to mention Junc is an ignorant ********ing douche and I'll throw whatever **** against the wall that's required to get him to stop polluting this board with his bull****.

you said his wife was fugging other dudes. he responded by calling you clueless. and you can't see why HE didn't get an infraction? seriously?

this **** is getting old. grow a pair. debate with him all day and show him how stupid his arguments are. all you have to do is NOT call him names in the main forum. how is this such a tough concept?

the more bitching i see about junc and his 'troll' tactics, the more i tend to agree with him. not a good sign.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:09 PM
Your Sanchez blow up doll oh I mean junc shot it full of holes!

That came w/ holes, no need to shoot more.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:09 PM
Please explain, if you can't do it I understand.



Do I ever report posts? I get nitwit attacks from posters likethe R&R express(how's that working out by the way?) and I never report. Obviously people like him cross the line but I don't let morons get to me.

no, you don't. kinda wish you did though. i mean ... fugg. :lol:

Clipse
09-07-2011, 04:11 PM
this thread got moved here just so you could call him names. talk about all the dudes turning his wife out. i mean fugg man. do it!

and as hard as it is to believe, there is no favoritism. and when junc does break the TOS - he does get hit. but you know what? he's smart enough not to. feel free to report any post you feel is in violation and i would be glad to do **** about it - and will even let you know how it went if that makes you feel better.

in the meantime, call junc's wife a whore. i know you want to. :lol:

Well it's true. With 20,000 posts on this site, and 33,000 posts on TGG, you know he doesn't have the time to pleasure his wife so she's forced to look outside the marriage for solutions to her sexual deprivation. Wouldn't surprise me if she's ****ing other dudes in the same house while he's typing away on Finheaven. Or perhaps just while Junc is out making money to put a roof over her head, and clothes on her back, and gifts for her ****buddies.

Then again, I could have all of this very wrong. Junc having a wife? Doesn't seem very possible. Junc having a job? Sure looks like he's pulling a 9 to 5 trolling rival message boards. He could be one of those guys that works in a cubicle and ****s around on the internet while at work. But between sucking everyone's **** on TGG, and using passive aggressive trolling on FH, where does the time to do something productive at work come in? This is over 50,000 posts we're talking about.

As for Junc not breaking the TOS, is FH the only message board where trolling isn't against the TOS?

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:14 PM
see, except for that last part, was that so hard? :lol:

you have to think in terms of george costanza with this whole trolling concept. it's not a lie if YOU believe it.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Well it's true. With 20,000 posts on this site, and 33,000 posts on TGG, you know he doesn't have the time to pleasure his wife so she's forced to look outside the marriage for solutions to her sexual deprivation. Wouldn't surprise me if she's ****ing other dudes in the same house while he's typing away on Finheaven. Or perhaps just while Junc is out making money to put a roof over her head, and clothes on her back, and gifts for her ****buddies.

Then again, I could have all of this very wrong. Junc having a wife? Doesn't seem very possible. Junc having a job? Sure looks like he's pulling a 9 to 5 trolling rival message boards. He could be one of those guys that works in a cubicle and ****s around on the internet while at work. But between sucking everyone's **** on TGG, and using passive aggressive trolling on FH, where does the time to do something productive at work come in? This is over 50,000 posts we're talking about.

As for Junc not breaking the TOS, is FH the only message board where trolling isn't against the TOS?

You have no idea what I do for a living, I promise you that you'd want my job. I post at work, I don't post at home when I am w/ my beautiful wife and 2 beautiful kids. Maybe some day you will get a job and have a great family like I do. You will probably need to mature quite a bit before that happens though.

NY8123
09-07-2011, 04:16 PM
You have no idea what I do for a living, I promise you that you'd want my job. I post at work, I don't post at home when I am w/ my beautiful wife and 2 beautiful kids. Maybe some day you will get a job and have a great family like I do. You will probably need to mature quite a bit before that happens though.

Why in the **** would I want a job that included posting on Gang Green and then posting on a rival fans board all day long. I mean I liken that to something along the lines of sticking my dick in a meat grinder!

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 04:19 PM
Please explain, if you can't do it I understand.



So you're the, "la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you" guy? Lol

I was spot on with my earlier analysis, whether it warranted an infraction or not, your ignorant. And you lean on your ignorance when your argument gets beaten.

Honestly, how weak is your defense right now? "I dont understand, can you elaborate? No, I dont want to look back and comprehend, just spoon feed it to me some more."

The most colorful crayon in the box, you are not.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 04:19 PM
You have no idea what I do for a living, I promise you that you'd want my job. I post at work, I don't post at home when I am w/ my beautiful wife and 2 beautiful kids. Maybe some day you will get a job and have a great family like I do. You will probably need to mature quite a bit before that happens though.

Sucks for those kids. Your "beautiful" wife should do the world a favor and drown them in the bathtub.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:20 PM
You have no idea what I do for a living, I promise you that you'd want my job. I post at work, I don't post at home when I am w/ my beautiful wife and 2 beautiful kids. Maybe some day you will get a job and have a great family like I do. You will probably need to mature quite a bit before that happens though.

no, we don't ALL want to be fluffers on gay porno sets. just b/c it gives you a lot of free time to incite riots doesn't mean it's my idea of a dream job. but at least it allows for you to take care of my wife and 2 kids when i'm not there ... i.e. before you get home from 'work'.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:21 PM
So you're the, "la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you" guy? Lol

I was spot on with my earlier analysis, whether it warranted an infraction or not, your ignorant. And you lean on your ignorance when your argument gets beaten.

Honestly, how weak is your defense right now? "I dont understand, can you elaborate? No, I dont want to look back and comprehend, just spoon feed it to me some more."

The most colorful crayon in the box, you are not.

you can call him names here. have at it. :up:

NY8123
09-07-2011, 04:23 PM
you can call him names here. have at it. :up:

You can call him a douche ****ing cum guzzling *** ****ing slap stick if you want too.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:26 PM
So you're the, "la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you" guy? Lol

I was spot on with my earlier analysis, whether it warranted an infraction or not, your ignorant. And you lean on your ignorance when your argument gets beaten.

Honestly, how weak is your defense right now? "I dont understand, can you elaborate? No, I dont want to look back and comprehend, just spoon feed it to me some more."

The most colorful crayon in the box, you are not.

No I'm asking you to explain, is it that difficult?

I never get beaten, I want to know what you are talking about but you refuse so that is telling me something.


Sucks for those kids. Your "beautiful" wife should do the world a favor and drown them in the bathtub.

You are quite a human being. Please don't ever reproduce, I doubt it can happen b/c you would need to fornicate w/ a woman but when paying please use a condom.

I love punks like you who talk big

Clipse
09-07-2011, 04:27 PM
no, we don't ALL want to be fluffers on gay porno sets. just b/c it gives you a lot of free time to incite riots doesn't mean it's my idea of a dream job. but at least it allows for you to take care of my wife and 2 kids when i'm not there ... i.e. before you get home from 'work'.

Gay porn, very real possibility. With his access to a computer all day I was thinking he's that smelly douche arab that picks up the phone everytime I call Microsoft and have to ask him to repeat himself every sentence. But you're right, probably gay porn.

Clipse
09-07-2011, 04:31 PM
You are quite a human being. Please don't ever reproduce, I doubt it can happen b/c you would need to fornicate w/ a woman but when paying please use a condom.

I love punks like you who talk big

Are punks who like to talk big the type you **** in your gay porn vids, or the type your wife ****s while you stroke yourself as you troll on FH? If so maybe it's me paying your wife to fornicate with me. And if that's the case, I haven't been using a condom, so hold off on drowning those kids until I get my DNA to the doctor.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:32 PM
You are just as bad trashtalking as you are w/ regards to your football knowledge. I thought you had to go to class today? did they cancel classes at hamburger university today?

Clipse
09-07-2011, 04:35 PM
You are just as bad trashtalking as you are w/ regards to your football knowledge. I thought you had to go to class today? did they cancel classes at hamburger university today?

It's actually UVA, and my 12:30 class was cancelled. Thanks for your concern, I really do appreciate it.

Swantoon
09-07-2011, 04:38 PM
More to the point though all classes were suspended at Hamburger University today. I missed my flipping burgers lab. Not cool.

CedarPhin
09-07-2011, 04:40 PM
Gay porn, very real possibility. With his access to a computer all day I was thinking he's that smelly douche arab that picks up the phone everytime I call Microsoft and have to ask him to repeat himself every sentence. But you're right, probably gay porn.

You're not an Arab if you work at a call center in India. They don't trouble themselves with such trivial jobs in the Middle East.

NY8123
09-07-2011, 04:42 PM
Do you think Dirty lets Rex **** him in the *** with his big toe?

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:42 PM
It's actually UVA, and my 12:30 class was cancelled. Thanks for your concern, I really do appreciate it.

This is what UVa is churning out? I thought UVa was a good school.

BobDole
09-07-2011, 04:46 PM
More to the point though all classes were suspended at Hamburger University today. I missed my flipping burgers lab. Not cool.

the professor for my mcdonald's prereq - 'intro to spitting in burgers' - got replaced by the hamburglar yesterday too. everyone grimaced.

what is up with HU?

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 04:54 PM
No I'm asking you to explain, is it that difficult?

I never get beaten, I want to know what you are talking about but you refuse so that is telling me something.




You never get beaten because you claim ignorance, as I've already stated. This is how a debate works, you come with an argument, I counter that argument etc... Not for me to elaborate on a response that needs none. It's cut and dry.

I quoted you saying something absolutely mind numbing and countered it, and your counter is nothing more than, "can you explain". I'd say that is more telling than my reluctancy to copy and paste everything I've said. But since it's all still there in black and white, why don't you click the "prev page" button until you find it?

Oh yea, because that would mean you were dead wrong and your comparison and stance on what qualifies a reciever as being "great" is plain ignorant.

I hate you Jests fans with a passion, you're a fraud chump.

nyjunc
09-07-2011, 04:56 PM
You never get beaten because you claim ignorance, as I've already stated. This is how a debate works, you come with an argument, I counter that argument etc... Not for me to elaborate on a response that needs none. It's cut and dry.

I quoted you saying something absolutely mind numbing and countered it, and your counter is nothing more than, "can you explain". I'd say that is more telling than my reluctancy to copy and paste everything I've said. But since it's all still there in black and white, why don't you click the "prev page" button until you find it?

Oh yea, because that would mean you were dead wrong and your comparison and stance on what qualifies a reciever as being "great" is plain ignorant.

I hate you Jests fans with a passion, you're a fraud chump.

Like I thought, you have nothing but want to proclaim yourself a winner.

AlexfromtheU
09-07-2011, 05:01 PM
Like I thought, you have nothing but want to proclaim yourself a winner.

Lol so you refuse to read back to where you said great recievers are only ones that make huge contributions in big games? And thus since Marshall hasn't been in any big games that hes not a great reciever?

It's out in the open now right, you refuse to look back?

Just as I thought. Come correct next time because I will tear all of your ******* arguments to shreds, in the depths or not punk.

Bumpus
09-07-2011, 05:42 PM
Sucks for those kids. Your "beautiful" wife should do the world a favor and drown them in the bathtub.

I haven't laughed quite this hard in the Depths in some time.

Well played, sir. :lol:

BigCityCat
09-07-2011, 06:19 PM
sorry wrong thread

PhinzN703
09-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Well I didn't mean for my thread to go down the ****ter like this so quickly, honest! :lol:

nyjunc
09-08-2011, 08:37 AM
Lol so you refuse to read back to where you said great recievers are only ones that make huge contributions in big games? And thus since Marshall hasn't been in any big games that hes not a great reciever?

It's out in the open now right, you refuse to look back?

Just as I thought. Come correct next time because I will tear all of your ******* arguments to shreds, in the depths or not punk.

It's out in the open you refuse to post your point but keep telling yourseld you won b/c you are scared to continue debating.

Clipse
09-08-2011, 02:01 PM
Is it just me or does junc get gradually more clueless as the season gets nearer? Does everyone still make fun of you on TGG junc?

nyjunc
09-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Is romper room back in session?

Clipse
09-08-2011, 02:58 PM
Is romper room back in session?

Romper room? Not sure what that is but it sounds like a room where ****ing occurs. Maybe the room your wife gets her bodily orifices stuffed in while you troll on FH. Dunno.

nyjunc
09-08-2011, 03:15 PM
Romper room? Not sure what that is but it sounds like a room where ****ing occurs. Maybe the room your wife gets her bodily orifices stuffed in while you troll on FH. Dunno.

You are boring, maybe if you actually could get women you could get some of this frustration out of your system.

Clipse
09-08-2011, 03:30 PM
You are boring, maybe if you actually could get women you could get some of this frustration out of your system.

Would throwing ridiculous **** out there like saying players aren't great if they don't play in big games as if football isn't a team sport, would that be better? If so, too bad, I prefer not to throw around clueless statements and claim them to be fact. I prefer not to talk football with a clown who doesn't know anything about it and is only here to troll in the 1st place.

nyjunc
09-08-2011, 03:41 PM
We can add reading comprehension to your list of problems. Show me where I said a player cannot be great of they don't play in big games?

CedarPhin
09-08-2011, 04:05 PM
You two have the wit of the autistic.

Why don't you both go rent a row house next door to each other, each put up your respective flags, paint a line in the grass, then stand on each side of the line yelling at each other. Or maybe you should both rent a vacation condo in Mexico for a few months. It'd make a great reality show.

PhinzN703
09-08-2011, 04:58 PM
You are boring, maybe if you actually could get women you could get some of this frustration out of your system.

Why has this gone the route of talking about not getting laid? Do either of you need proof the other one gets *****?

nyjunc
09-08-2011, 05:00 PM
I love how I get thrown in there b/c of a mentally challenged and sexually frustrated poster attacks me.

---------- Post added at 05:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:59 PM ----------


Why has this gone the route of talking about not getting laid? Do either of you need proof the other one gets *****?

ask corky

Clipse
09-09-2011, 12:10 AM
We can add reading comprehension to your list of problems. Show me where I said a player cannot be great of they don't play in big games?

It's exactly what you said. You said a player needs to be good in big games to be considered a great player. By that logic, if a player doesn't get to play in big games, he can't be great. And then you go on to use Brandon Marshall as an example, who's never got a chance to play in big games because his teams have always sucked. Even worse is you try to put Holmes on Brandon Marshalls level because of it. Clueless.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 08:45 AM
It's exactly what you said. You said a player needs to be good in big games to be considered a great player. By that logic, if a player doesn't get to play in big games, he can't be great. And then you go on to use Brandon Marshall as an example, who's never got a chance to play in big games because his teams have always sucked. Even worse is you try to put Holmes on Brandon Marshalls level because of it. Clueless.

show me where I said it? how did you get into UVa? seriously? basic reading comprehension escapes you.

Clipse
09-09-2011, 09:54 AM
show me where I said it? how did you get into UVa? seriously? basic reading comprehension escapes you.

Excuse me you said the best players make plays when it matters most, which is just as ridiculous. I guess that means Andre Johnson and Chris Johnson aren't top 3 at their positions. Clueless. I didn't even notice you said Bess will never be nearly as good as Mason, when Bess's first 3 years in the league have been superior to Mason's. Clueless. And then you say Holmes is a playmaker, but Brandon Marshall is just a very good possession WR. Man you're one clueless joke of an individual. I almost feel bad for your family they have to deal with such a clown. Holmes is such a playmaker he has less TD's, yards, and catches than Marshall and they've been in the league the same amount of years. LOL. Clueless.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 10:00 AM
Excuse me you said the best players make plays when it matters most, which is just as ridiculous. I guess that means Andre Johnson and Chris Johnson aren't top 3 at their positions. Clueless. I didn't even notice you said Bess will never be nearly as good as Mason, when Bess's first 3 years in the league have been superior to Mason's. Clueless. And then you say Holmes is a playmaker, but Brandon Marshall is just a very good possession WR. Man you're one clueless joke of an individual. I almost feel bad for your family they have to deal with such a clown. Holmes is such a playmaker he has less TD's, yards, and catches than Marshall and they've been in the league the same amount of years. LOL. Clueless.

yes, the best players make big plays when it matters most- that doesn't mean they have to be playoff games or huge games. The best guys make plays to help their teams win games. Basic reading comprehension.

Bess will never be as good as Mason, Mason was a top 10 WR in his prime.

Marshall is a great possession WR, he's not a playmaker. Holmes is. That doesn't mean Marshall isn't a top WR, they are different types of top 10 WRs.

There is a clueless person in this thread, it's the one who fails at basic reading comprhension.

Clipse
09-09-2011, 10:04 AM
yes, the best players make big plays when it matters most- that doesn't mean they have to be playoff games or huge games. The best guys make plays to help their teams win games. Basic reading comprehension.

Bess will never be as good as Mason, Mason was a top 10 WR in his prime.

Marshall is a great possession WR, he's not a playmaker. Holmes is. That doesn't mean Marshall isn't a top WR, they are different types of top 10 WRs.

There is a clueless person in this thread, it's the one who fails at basic reading comprhension.

Right, and Marshall never made plays to help his team win. He's the reason his teams fail to make the playoffs. Clueless.

Not only are you clueless, you're a fortune teller.

There's different types of top 10 WR's, and Holmes isn't one of them. Marshall is only a possession WR, yet has more TD's, yards, and catches than Holmes in the same time frame. Wonder what that makes Holmes, certainly not a playmaker if Marshall isn't one. Clueless.

Clipse
09-09-2011, 10:05 AM
We get it, every Jet to ever play the game is top 10 at his position. Go tell that to everyone on TGG because nobody gives 2 ****s on this forum.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Right, and Marshall never made plays to help his team win. He's the reason his teams fail to make the playoffs. Clueless.

Not only are you clueless, you're a fortune teller.

There's different types of top 10 WR's, and Holmes isn't one of them. Marshall is only a possession WR, yet has more TD's, yards, and catches than Holmes in the same time frame. Wonder what that makes Holmes, certainly not a playmaker if Marshall isn't one. Clueless.

I didn't say that and i have called Marshall a top WR in this game- is this a slap in the face? You truly struggle to read.

In a 3 week span Holmes made huge plays late in games to win games last year(at Det, at Cle, vs. Hou). Name the times that has happened in Marshall's career? Marshall is nto a guy who will get the explosive plays, hence his 12 yds per average. he's a consistent guy who will move the chains and score some TDs in the RZ, Holmes is an explosive guy who makes big plays.


We get it, every Jet to ever play the game is top 10 at his position. Go tell that to everyone on TGG because nobody gives 2 ****s on this forum.

Now the deflection begins b/c you are seeing how asinine your posts have been.

Clipse
09-09-2011, 10:15 AM
I didn't say that and i have called Marshall a top WR in this game- is this a slap in the face? You truly struggle to read.

In a 3 week span Holmes made huge plays late in games to win games last year(at Det, at Cle, vs. Hou). Name the times that has happened in Marshall's career? Marshall is nto a guy who will get the explosive plays, hence his 12 yds per average. he's a consistent guy who will move the chains and score some TDs in the RZ, Holmes is an explosive guy who makes big plays.



Now the deflection begins b/c you are seeing how asinine your posts have been.

Yet has less big plays in his career than Marshall. Clueless.

No deflection at all. All 19,000 posts have been about how the Jets are so perfect. The greatest team ever with the best players. Get a clue you blind homer.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 10:25 AM
Yet has less big plays in his career than Marshall. Clueless.

No deflection at all. All 19,000 posts have been about how the Jets are so perfect. The greatest team ever with the best players. Get a clue you blind homer.

Yeah it's crazy to praise a team that has made back to back title games. I should be heaping praise on the 7-9 back to back team, right? I have been here since 2004- we have had bad teams in that span, check my posts about those teams. There's just not much to criticize right now.

Please enlighten me to all these big plays?

One of us is a blind homer, it's not me.

PhinzN703
09-09-2011, 02:02 PM
yes, the best players make big plays when it matters most- that doesn't mean they have to be playoff games or huge games. The best guys make plays to help their teams win games. Basic reading comprehension.

Bess will never be as good as Mason, Mason was a top 10 WR in his prime.

Marshall is a great possession WR, he's not a playmaker. Holmes is. That doesn't mean Marshall isn't a top WR, they are different types of top 10 WRs.

There is a clueless person in this thread, it's the one who fails at basic reading comprhension.

How can a possession receiver catch 21 passes for 200 yds and 2 TDs in one game?

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 02:07 PM
How can a possession receiver catch 21 passes for 200 yds and 2 TDs in one game?

That's the defnition of a possession WR, 21 recs for 200 yds? You don't have to be a math major to realize that's under 10 yds per rec and he had two 5 yd TD catches. he's a huge target in the RZ, he's NOT a playmaker.

PhinzN703
09-09-2011, 02:17 PM
That's the defnition of a possession WR, 21 recs for 200 yds? You don't have to be a math major to realize that's under 10 yds per rec and he had two 5 yd TD catches. he's a huge target in the RZ, he's NOT a playmaker.

Right b/c it's common for any WR to have 21 mother****ing catches in one game. His second game vs the Jets wasn't anything to write home about but in week 3 he had 10 catches for 166 yds and a TD. If this is your definition of a guy who doesn't make plays, that's fine with me.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 02:26 PM
Right b/c it's common for any WR to have 21 mother****ing catches in one game. His second game vs the Jets wasn't anything to write home about but in week 3 he had 10 catches for 166 yds and a TD. If this is your definition of a guy who doesn't make plays, that's fine with me.

any player can make a big play now and then, playmakers are threats every time they touch the ball. This does not describe Brandon Marshall and his 12 yds per average. He's stilla top WR, I don't know why you guys take this so personally but he is not a playmaker.

TO once had 20 recs in agame but he had 283 yds and an over 14 yds per avg. he was a playmaker. He didn't average under 10 on 20 recs.

PhinzN703
09-09-2011, 03:18 PM
any player can make a big play now and then, playmakers are threats every time they touch the ball. This does not describe Brandon Marshall and his 12 yds per average. He's stilla top WR, I don't know why you guys take this so personally but he is not a playmaker.

TO once had 20 recs in agame but he had 283 yds and an over 14 yds per avg. he was a playmaker. He didn't average under 10 on 20 recs.

Not taking it personally here. I don't agree with your definition of a playmaker but as I said, if Marshall to you isn't a playmaker, I will still take his production over many other WRs the Dolphins have trotted out onto the field.

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Not taking it personally here. I don't agree with your definition of a playmaker but as I said, if Marshall to you isn't a playmaker, I will still take his production over many other WRs the Dolphins have trotted out onto the field.

I'd take his production too, he's a top player in this league.

Ilovemyfins4eva
09-09-2011, 04:59 PM
I didn't say that and i have called Marshall a top WR in this game- is this a slap in the face? You truly struggle to read.

In a 3 week span Holmes made huge plays late in games to win games last year(at Det, at Cle, vs. Hou). Name the times that has happened in Marshall's career? Marshall is nto a guy who will get the explosive plays, hence his 12 yds per average. he's a consistent guy who will move the chains and score some TDs in the RZ, Holmes is an explosive guy who makes big plays.



Now the deflection begins b/c you are seeing how asinine your posts have been.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmDNnvErn4

has holmes ever created a touchdown like that? thats pure athleticism, and strength to be able to fend off defenders so easily.

he made it seem like a video game in that play. holmes disappears in too many games

nyjunc
09-09-2011, 05:15 PM
I can't see the clip, can you explain the game situation and what exactly happened?

Clipse
09-09-2011, 07:28 PM
Brandon Marshall. More TD's than Santonio Holmes in the same time span. For anybody with half a brain, any TD is a big play, and Marshall has more than Holmes. He has more catches than Holmes, more yards. More first downs. For anyone with half a brain, picking up a 1st down on 3rd down is a big play. Marshall has tons more of those than Holmes. Marshall > Holmes in all capacities, playmaking, possession, whatever, does it all better than Holmes.