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dolphan39
01-16-2004, 11:45 AM
Putting on thinking cap (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/7723809.htm)
The team now has the foundation of a plan that includes extending cornerback Patrick Surtain's contract, guaranteeing a portion of linebacker Zach Thomas' contract and cutting the salaries of backup quarterback Brian Griese, safety Brock Marion, receiver James McKnight and center Tim Ruddy, among others.


If the players meant for salary cuts do not accept less money, they could be cut altogether -- some after June 1 for accounting purposes.

Danny
01-16-2004, 11:51 AM
That's a lot of money to be over the cap. I just read that Ruddy, Marion, Griesse and Mcknight could be going. I think Jay's going too but that's still not enough and we need to take care of Wally too. The way I see it we'll be hard press to get any free agents. Not that we need many as I think we only need a couple as long as we have a good draft. Anybody got any ideas as to what the dolphins will do to get that number down?

Ozzy rules!!

Mindwarp
01-16-2004, 11:55 AM
I recommend visiting the Salary Cap Forum (http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=57) for all your answers.

MNFINFAN
01-16-2004, 12:03 PM
Levy has heard the rumblings about Brunell but isn't worried about them and doesn't plan to talk to the Dolphins about them soon.

''Brunell is a sexy name, but what's he going to do that Jay can't?'' Levy asked

Man I don't have time to list the things!

Clumpy
01-16-2004, 01:23 PM
How can Griese be asked to have his salary cut when it is already near the minimum for a vet?

Oh yes.......let's ask Ruddy to accept another pay cut

dolphan39
01-16-2004, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
How can Griese be asked to have his salary cut when it is already near the minimum for a vet? I am sure the comment was meant for the un-cap-educated ;) , but here it is again in the Sun from Alex no less
But Griese knows he might not have the chance to showcase any improvement for the Dolphins, who won't be paying him a $5.94 million roster bonus he is owed in the offseason. Griese hasn't spoken with team officials yet to learn whether the team wants him to return at a lower salary. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-afcnotes16jan16,0,6839161.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Phinzone
01-16-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Danny
That's a lot of money to be over the cap. I just read that Ruddy, Marion, Griesse and Mcknight could be going. I think Jay's going too but that's still not enough and we need to take care of Wally too. The way I see it we'll be hard press to get any free agents. Not that we need many as I think we only need a couple as long as we have a good draft. Anybody got any ideas as to what the dolphins will do to get that number down?

Ozzy rules!!

we won't be able to keep Wally. We'll have to free enough to match an offer to push him to the 1first and 3 rounder tender, but there's no way we could afford what he deserves. plan on losing him. Also T-Bow will take a hefty cut. He allready offered.

bigmiamifan
01-16-2004, 01:46 PM
Anyone else think it's funny they said Brian has to cut his salary or be cut yet Jay wasn't even mentioned on that list? Tells me he's gone and maybe Brian stays on as a backup if he takes the pay cut.

DeDolfan
01-16-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by dolphan39
Putting on thinking cap (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/7723809.htm)

All depends on where you read the info and ultimately who you believe. I've seen numbers anywhere form <10 to >17. That is ALOT of difference. Trouble is, they all can't be right. i would likely say that it is somewhere around 14 or even less actually. But keep in mind, that is the figure for only the players under contract [around 40 some] and doesn't include the fA like Ogun, Tbuck, Wade and the like. So in a sense, the over the cap # is a bit misleading in that you have to make enough moves by that figure to just get under the cap to be legal, PLUS enough to be able to do the regular wheeling and dealing. You may as well say you're looking at closer to 20 mil in all actuality tho.

Clumpy
01-16-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by DeDolfan


All depends on where you read the info and ultimately who you believe. I've seen numbers anywhere form &lt;10 to &gt;17. That is ALOT of difference. Trouble is, they all can't be right. i would likely say that it is somewhere around 14 or even less actually. But keep in mind, that is the figure for only the players under contract [around 40 some] and doesn't include the fA like Ogun, Tbuck, Wade and the like. So in a sense, the over the cap # is a bit misleading in that you have to make enough moves by that figure to just get under the cap to be legal, PLUS enough to be able to do the regular wheeling and dealing. You may as well say you're looking at closer to 20 mil in all actuality tho.


Very true.......getting to cap compliancy isn't too difficult. It's the rest that will be

NavyFishFan
01-16-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by bigmiamifan
Anyone else think it's funny they said Brian has to cut his salary or be cut yet Jay wasn't even mentioned on that list? Tells me he's gone and maybe Brian stays on as a backup if he takes the pay cut.

That's the way I read it too, especially when you consider how overpaid JF is.

DeDolfan
01-16-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet



Very true.......getting to cap compliancy isn't too difficult. It's the rest that will be

Ain't it now. I saw a list the other day [forget where i saw it, here, there, where ever??] showing a list of all teams and their cap #s. biggest surprise to me was the Skins at something like 8 mil under after all the stuff they do.

Clumpy
01-16-2004, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by DeDolfan


Ain't it now. I saw a list the other day [forget where i saw it, here, there, where ever??] showing a list of all teams and their cap #s. biggest surprise to me was the Skins at something like 8 mil under after all the stuff they do.


Those lists need a disclaimer. You need to look at what FAs each team has as well as how many players are already under contract. If a team, as an example, has only 40 players and is $10 million under, much of that will be needed to fill the top 51. Another team could have many key FAs (Colts, Seahawks, 49ers).

Stamos
01-16-2004, 03:07 PM
When talking about the cap imparitive that you compare the number of players already signed, which for us is 54. By contract, the Ravens who are approxinally 25 million under the cap, only have 34 players signed. Tennesse only has 39 players signed, but is 16 aprx. over the cap.

Clumpy
01-16-2004, 03:44 PM
Didn't I say that?

P4E
01-16-2004, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
Didn't I say that?
Yeah. But you're a Bills fan. It's different when we say it.:)

ZOD
01-16-2004, 05:23 PM
I thought we were not suppose to be clicking on Armando's articles....

Here we have one linked. :huh:

Good article though. :D

Stamos
01-17-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
Didn't I say that?

I don't read your posts. :lol: ;)

Clumpy
01-17-2004, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Stamos


I don't read your posts. :lol: ;)


The guys at KFFL are begging for you to come back

Stamos
01-17-2004, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet



The guys at KFFL are begging for you to come back

I know, I spend more time on there then the "non self imposed banned" members.

I am staying away for myself, not for them.

Merman
01-17-2004, 02:08 PM
The $17 million over the cap figure first came out on 10/08/03. It includes the assumption of tendering all the free agents.


Posted on Wed, Oct. 08, 2003
Relief for cap -- and Mare
By guaranteeing part of kicker Olindo Mare's contract, Miami saves about $500,000 -- money that could be used to sign a player in the event of an injury.
By JASON COLE

LOOKING AHEAD
According to league and NFL Players Association sources, the Dolphins are committed to more than $90 million in contracts for next season. That doesn't include likely contract tenders for players such as restricted free agents Adewale Ogunleye, Travis Minor, Sage Rosenfels and Morlon Greenwood.
Between incentives and the tenders for restricted free agents and exclusive-rights players, the Dolphins are expected to be about $17 million over the cap going into the offseason.

$90 less 79 = $11 million.

Clumpy
01-17-2004, 03:43 PM
Adam has ya at $92.060 million without tenders

that's $15 million then add the tenders (adjust for top 51)

Not as bad as Titans or Colts