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12-15-2011, 12:22 AM
! RGIII QB

2 Coby Fleener TE

3 best avail db

Roman529
12-15-2011, 12:51 AM
! RGIII QB

2 Coby Fleener TE

3 best avail db

Did you peek at my mock in my sig? Fess up. :3w:

greasyObnoxious
12-15-2011, 12:40 PM
i like Best Avail, DB. he's going to Anywhere State, right?

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 01:42 PM
No matter, I would target Matt Barkley in the 1st round of this Draft.

The first thing you have to know is what is happening to the offensive and defensive systems. If Jeff Fisher is our guy, is he going to keep Nolan or is he going to steer toward the kind of 4-3 he always employed in Tennessee?

If the latter, then you really need to look at Cam Johnson in the 2nd round of the Draft. We don't have a true bull that can pair with Cam Wake as a Defensive End. Kendall Langford is more of a Defensive Tackle and would probably struggle in a 4-3, since he's played a 3-4 going all the way back to college. You need a 4-3 End that can make plays in both phases and Cam Johnson is that guy IMO...given that you're off the 1st round. You could look at the guy that TedSlimmJr was talking about the other day, Melvin Ingram...and I think he could end up a special player, but I also think Ingram is best suited to playing in space and playing multiple roles in a multiple defense.

Getting into the top of the 3rd round, if you're really intent on not moving Vernon Carey back to Right Tackle then I think you could focus on an Andrew Datko here. I looked a lot at Andrew a year ago when he was considered a potential 1st round pick, possibly the #1 offensive tackle in his senior class, and I didn't quite agree with that but I did see a guy that is very disciplined, very active, coachable, and who could make a pretty good Right Tackle in the NFL. He's got the frame, the burst he needs, and he's very coachable and consistent. Those are the things you look for.

At the top of the 4th round, I would continue to work on the tailback position, because I don't think we're done there. Daniel Thomas hasn't really shown much this year and I don't think Reggie Bush is meant to play the role that's been forced on him. If you can get a Vick Ballard right here then I think you go for it. He can be a very special player. He has a nose for the end zone, a lot of lower body explosion, can make things happen after contact. He has good vision.

At the top of the 5th round, you need someone that is essentially training to take Yeremiah Bell's place at Strong Safety and to me that guy would either be Kenny Tate of Maryland, or Duke Ihenacho of San Jose State. Both players present versatility, the ability to make plays in all phases. You'll have to watch for how Tate runs. I've seen reports of him being a 4.7's guy and he doesn't look like that to me out on the field. If he's running in the low 4.6's then I don't mind. If Duke Ihenacho is running in the high 4.5's or low 4.6's then I don't mind his speed, either. Either player could immediately start to find roles in our nickel and dime packages and eventually could try and replace Bell.

At cornerback I would look in the 6th round to Larry Parker of San Diego State. He reminds me a lot of Chris Owens of San Jose State. He is a true ball hawk and more than willing to stick his nose in tackling people. He's really become one of the best players on that entire team and he easily stays in the hip pocket of the receivers he plays against. He could fall this far just because he's not a big player but I would take him anyway because he's made of wood, and he's a no-nonsense guy that just goes to work.

And finally at inside linebacker in the 7th round I would go with Adrien Cole of La Tech. He's squatty wrecking ball that accumulates a lot of tackles in the game, finds the ball and makes big hits. You don't need a guy that is necessarily the most gifted in pass coverage, because on 3rd downs and nickel packages you're going to keep Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett on the field, as both are gifted coverage guys. What you want is a guy with a nose for the football that can be a wrecking ball in the middle on run downs and I like Cole for that.

1st Round - QB Matt Barkley, Southern Cal
2nd Round - DE Cam Johnson, Virginia
3rd Round - OT Andrew Datko, Florida State
4th Round - RB Vick Ballard, Mississippi State
5th Round - SS Duke Ihenacho, San Jose State
6th Round - CB Larry Parker, San Diego State
7th Round - LB Adrien Cole, Louisiana Tech

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 01:53 PM
I probably should have mentioned, with respect to taking Adrien Cole in the 7th round at ILB, Jeff Ireland should swallow his damned pride and re-sign Channing Crowder to be a two-down Mike linebacker in the new 4-3 under Jeff Fisher.

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 02:03 PM
No matter, I would target Matt Barkley in the 1st round of this Draft.

The first thing you have to know is what is happening to the offensive and defensive systems. If Jeff Fisher is our guy, is he going to keep Nolan or is he going to steer toward the kind of 4-3 he always employed in Tennessee?

If the latter, then you really need to look at Cam Johnson in the 2nd round of the Draft. We don't have a true bull that can pair with Cam Wake as a Defensive End. Kendall Langford is more of a Defensive Tackle and would probably struggle in a 4-3, since he's played a 3-4 going all the way back to college. You need a 4-3 End that can make plays in both phases and Cam Johnson is that guy IMO...given that you're off the 1st round. You could look at the guy that TedSlimmJr was talking about the other day, Melvin Ingram...and I think he could end up a special player, but I also think Ingram is best suited to playing in space and playing multiple roles in a multiple defense.

Getting into the top of the 3rd round, if you're really intent on not moving Vernon Carey back to Right Tackle then I think you could focus on an Andrew Datko here. I looked a lot at Andrew a year ago when he was considered a potential 1st round pick, possibly the #1 offensive tackle in his senior class, and I didn't quite agree with that but I did see a guy that is very disciplined, very active, coachable, and who could make a pretty good Right Tackle in the NFL. He's got the frame, the burst he needs, and he's very coachable and consistent. Those are the things you look for.

At the top of the 4th round, I would continue to work on the tailback position, because I don't think we're done there. Daniel Thomas hasn't really shown much this year and I don't think Reggie Bush is meant to play the role that's been forced on him. If you can get a Vick Ballard right here then I think you go for it. He can be a very special player. He has a nose for the end zone, a lot of lower body explosion, can make things happen after contact. He has good vision.

At the top of the 5th round, you need someone that is essentially training to take Yeremiah Bell's place at Strong Safety and to me that guy would either be Kenny Tate of Maryland, or Duke Ihenacho of San Jose State. Both players present versatility, the ability to make plays in all phases. You'll have to watch for how Tate runs. I've seen reports of him being a 4.7's guy and he doesn't look like that to me out on the field. If he's running in the low 4.6's then I don't mind. If Duke Ihenacho is running in the high 4.5's or low 4.6's then I don't mind his speed, either. Either player could immediately start to find roles in our nickel and dime packages and eventually could try and replace Bell.

At cornerback I would look in the 6th round to Larry Parker of San Diego State. He reminds me a lot of Chris Owens of San Jose State. He is a true ball hawk and more than willing to stick his nose in tackling people. He's really become one of the best players on that entire team and he easily stays in the hip pocket of the receivers he plays against. He could fall this far just because he's not a big player but I would take him anyway because he's made of wood, and he's a no-nonsense guy that just goes to work.

And finally at inside linebacker in the 7th round I would go with Adrien Cole of La Tech. He's squatty wrecking ball that accumulates a lot of tackles in the game, finds the ball and makes big hits. You don't need a guy that is necessarily the most gifted in pass coverage, because on 3rd downs and nickel packages you're going to keep Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett on the field, as both are gifted coverage guys. What you want is a guy with a nose for the football that can be a wrecking ball in the middle on run downs and I like Cole for that.

1st Round - QB Matt Barkley, Southern Cal
2nd Round - DE Cam Johnson, Virginia
3rd Round - OT Andrew Datko, Florida State
4th Round - RB Vick Ballard, Mississippi State
5th Round - SS Duke Ihenacho, San Jose State
6th Round - CB Larry Parker, San Diego State
7th Round - LB Adrien Cole, Louisiana Tech



Love this kid. That's a nice pick there.

jim1
12-15-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm not in favor of drafting DE early in this draft, be if we went that route Fletcher Cox would be an interesting pick if available in the 2nd round.

ps Andrew Datko- iirc he's so beaten up that he might be done with football for good.

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 02:15 PM
I'm not in favor of drafting DE early in this draft, be if we went that route Fletcher Cox would be an interesting pick if available in the 2nd round.


Agree with this. Fletcher Cox is a complete freak of nature athletically, and a damn fine football player. I made note of Cox back in July in my underrated-underclassman thread, and he continued to get better this year as a full time starter. If he comes out it's because he's not going to wait long to hear his name called on draft day.


http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?300765-Slimm-s-2012-Underrated-Junior-Prospects-(including-draft-eligible-underclassmen)/page3

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 02:33 PM
He's already made the decision to come out, and I like him a lot, but I don't see him as a Defensive End in a 4-3, nor do I see him lasting into the 2nd round for us to take there.

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Not a DE in a 4-3... more of a UT in a 4-3 if that's what Miami goes to under a new coach/coordinator.

He's as close to Marcel Dareus as I've seen, only not quite as big yet.



Edit: Did not know he's already declared eligible. In that case, he should be a 1st round pick.

greasyObnoxious
12-15-2011, 02:49 PM
Not a DE in a 4-3... more of a UT in a 4-3 if that's what Miami goes to under a new coach/coordinator.

He's as close to Marcel Dareus as I've seen, only not quite as big yet.


Edit: Did not know he's already declared eligible. In that case, he should be a 1st round pick.

isn't that supposed to be Odrick's forte?

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 03:07 PM
isn't that supposed to be Odrick's forte?


I don't think so, I never viewed him that way. I projected Odrick as a 5-tech in the NFL, although he played a lot of 1-technique at Penn St. too. I think Odrick is best attacking the inside shoulder of the guard or slanting.

I like Cox attacking the outside shoulder of the guard. But you can also move him around anywhere you want and match him up how you please, the way we used Marcel Dareus.

I doubt Miami has a shot at Cox in the 2nd round anyway. I'd probably be looking more for a speed rushing 4-3 DE with some versatility to play OLB... a supreme athlete. Like a Bruce Irvin, Ronnell Lewis, Vinny Curry, etc. if I was going to address it in the 2nd-3rd rounds or so. A guy who can line up opposite Cam Wake and bring some speed off the edge.

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Not a DE in a 4-3... more of a UT in a 4-3 if that's what Miami goes to under a new coach/coordinator.

He's as close to Marcel Dareus as I've seen, only not quite as big yet.

Edit: Did not know he's already declared eligible. In that case, he should be a 1st round pick.

Agree with everything here. Though, I suppose Marcell Dareus wasn't my first thought for a comparison when I watched him play. I kept thinking more of a Kevin Williams, though I guess it's all sort of in the eye of the beholder.

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 03:15 PM
I doubt Miami has a shot at Cox in the 2nd round anyway. I'd probably be looking more for a speed rushing 4-3 DE with some versatility to play OLB... a supreme athlete. Like a Bruce Irvin, Ronnell Lewis, Vinny Curry, etc. if I was going to address it in the 2nd-3rd rounds or so. A guy who can line up opposite Cam Wake and bring some speed off the edge.

A couple of things. First off, does this hold for you even if Miami moved to more of a 4-3 under Jeff Fisher? If so, I take it then you see Kendall Langford playing two downs at End and then giving way to another pass rush specialist, sort of like Kenny Mixon and Trace Armstrong back in the day?

Secondly, Ronnell Lewis I like...but I just have a hard time seeing Bruce Irvin or Vinny Curry as my best options in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Just not my flavor.

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 03:19 PM
Agree with everything here. Though, I suppose Marcell Dareus wasn't my first thought for a comparison when I watched him play. I kept thinking more of a Kevin Williams, though I guess it's all sort of in the eye of the beholder.


I think Cox is even more versatile than Kevin Williams, more in the mold of Dareus. Cox appears to have the same ability to completely destroy any offensive lineman that covers him up, or set him up to the outside and work back inside the way Dareus did. His power is unmatched, and his athletic ability for a man that size is just too much for college offensive lineman.

They'll line him up as a 5-tech in 3 man fronts, move him inside to the 3-tech in 4 man fronts, etc. Same way we used Dareus. Cox was Manny Diaz's favorite toy when he was at State, which is saying something since he also had Pernell McPhee and K.J. Wright.

It's interesting to me that Cox actually improved in his first year under a new coordinator with Diaz gone to Texas. Just a fabulous talent.

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 03:27 PM
A couple of things. First off, does this hold for you even if Miami moved to more of a 4-3 under Jeff Fisher? If so, I take it then you see Kendall Langford playing two downs at End and then giving way to another pass rush specialist, sort of like Kenny Mixon and Trace Armstrong back in the day?

Secondly, Ronnell Lewis I like...but I just have a hard time seeing Bruce Irvin or Vinny Curry as my best options in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Just not my flavor.


Absolutely. I'd rather see that than to see Miami spend another draft pick on a 2-down DE. If you're going to spend the pick in the early rounds, it needs to be on something you don't have. Which is a pass rushing demon who can flat out get after the quarterback and beat NFL offensive tackles with speed.

I think Ronnell Lewis and Bruce Irvin are both actually athletic enough to play WLB in a Cover-2 style defense, but also get after the QB a little bit with their hand in the dirt. That's not a skillset you run across very often. I absolutely like Bruce Irvin.

Curry too, just not quite as athletic or versatile as Lewis or Irvin. More of a true RDE in a 4-3.

Cam Johnson I'd probably go for in the 3rd round or so if I was looking for a guy to compete with/replace Koa Misi.

NorFlaFin
12-15-2011, 05:21 PM
Daktos shoulder surgery didn't take. I'd be suprised if hes drafted at all.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/32640166 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/32640166)

ckparrothead
12-15-2011, 06:48 PM
Daktos shoulder surgery didn't take. I'd be suprised if hes drafted at all.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/32640166 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/32640166)

Yikes. Not good.

hooshoops
12-15-2011, 07:18 PM
if you switch to a 43 you probably let langford walk...too much money for a guy who's not an ideal fit...he's lookin at chris canty money with the giants at least imo which will be around $7 mil per over 5 years

and count me as one who thinks odrick is a better 43 dt fit...and starks as well

TedSlimmJr
12-15-2011, 10:30 PM
Hate that for Datko, but I've never really viewed him a great prospect anyway. Frank Alexander used him like a rented mule. In fact, I don't like either one of FSU's tackles. Zebrie Sanders doesn't do much for me either.