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Hayden Fox
01-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I will stand by this for the next five years. Miller is electric and has breakaway ability. He is going to light up the combine and be one of the major stories of the week. Richardson is a bruising back that is going to breakdown early in his NFL career.

I always question Nick Saban's players at the next level. However, regardless, Miller I feel is going to end up being the best RB in this year's class.

PJack
01-09-2012, 10:43 PM
I could definitely see longevity being an issue with Richardson as he doesnt shy away from contact. BUT...I'm still taking Richardson first if we wanted a RB...all day. Guy is a beast.

hooshoops
01-09-2012, 11:02 PM
you canes fans are a trip...i like miller and all and my biggest beef with richardson is he's not all the elusive takes a lot of contact but when a guys that big and powerful and runs that downhill and can really run like i expect richardson will show at the combine scouts will fall over themselves over the kid

Hayden Fox
01-09-2012, 11:26 PM
you canes fans are a trip...i like miller and all and my biggest beef with richardson is he's not all the elusive takes a lot of contact but when a guys that big and powerful and runs that downhill and can really run like i expect richardson will show at the combine scouts will fall over themselves over the kid

Richardson will go ahead of Miller, but Miller will be the better pick.

The bruising running back type is blah...give me game breaking ability and the threat to take it to the house.

sinPHIN
01-09-2012, 11:30 PM
i was really high on richardson coming into the year, but not so much now. i think he will probly disapear like ingram did. but who know. i havent rated rb's yet

Kistner10
01-09-2012, 11:32 PM
Richardson will be better than Miller. I don't see that one at all. Richardson is a tough runner, who is also a pretty good big play guy when he's not playing LSU. I think you're off on this one Hayden Fox.

sinPHIN
01-09-2012, 11:39 PM
ridchardson is def the best coming out. but with his style how long will he last. miller is number 2, but i have chris polk right behind him. if we didnt have two decent rbs right now i would be down grabing polk in the 3rd if he fell that far, which i dont see happening

Mage_Phin
01-10-2012, 12:00 AM
you canes fans are a trip...i like miller and all and my biggest beef with richardson is he's not all the elusive takes a lot of contact but when a guys that big and powerful and runs that downhill and can really run like i expect richardson will show at the combine scouts will fall over themselves over the kid

OP's avatar is a University of Minnesota Gopher. C'mon man. Anyway, as a Hurricanes fan, I really don't think Miller is going to be that good. His vision, blocking, and pass catching are all questionable and in the second half of the season dude was playing like a b****.

Funky Fin
01-10-2012, 12:07 AM
I'll be drafting Miller next year in fantasy fo shizzle. Lamar is for real.

hooshoops
01-10-2012, 12:36 AM
OP's avatar is a University of Minnesota Gopher. C'mon man. Anyway, as a Hurricanes fan, I really don't think Miller is going to be that good. His vision, blocking, and pass catching are all questionable and in the second half of the season dude was playing like a b****.

never really paid any attention but yeah thanks for the heads up...i think personally millers a little overrated to be honest...but i do think he's got some pretty good nfl talent...that said if its 1st round for miller i'm a pass guy

JCane
01-10-2012, 01:03 AM
Miller could be special if he didn't play "Just Dance" in the backfield every time.

uga3406
01-10-2012, 01:30 AM
I could definitely see longevity being an issue with Richardson as he doesnt shy away from contact. BUT...I'm still taking Richardson first if we wanted a RB...all day. Guy is a beast.

The last thing this team needs is a rb. I love Richardson but I'll pass for now.

TedSlimmJr
01-10-2012, 02:09 AM
Whiff.

insom187
01-10-2012, 02:31 AM
I really like Richardson but he is not Adrian Peterson and with what we have in the backfield currently thats what it would take to draft a RB so high. Too many other needs to go after him.

COphinphan89
01-10-2012, 02:46 PM
:sidelol:

MRojas4
01-10-2012, 02:51 PM
Millers pass block ability will be a huge liability in the NFL. Guy is a beast but should of stayed another year.

Went to my highschool, Killian Senior High represent!

Played ball will Stephen Tulloch.

Tunaphish429
01-10-2012, 03:12 PM
I am a Canes fan and I think Miller is the real deal..but if you want a guy that can carry the load for you and maybe even carry your team Richardson is your guy..He is an every down back day one...and he has upside. Bama handcuffed him as far as weight lifting went because they were afraid his spotters would get hurt..Miller is more of a break away threat via speed but Richardson is a guy that can do what Miller can with vision. Defenses dont wanna tackle him. I actually dont see durability as an issue. Players get hurt but this guy is in prime condition. He is a bull. I know Mike Shannhan does not take backs high in drafts( No history of) but if he is there and no qb is there how can you not take him? He would be a monster in that system.

Big Daddy 13
01-10-2012, 03:15 PM
We don't exactly need a RB (I wasn't impressed with Thomas this season), but if he was there and there was no QB to be had in the 1st, then he's the guy. I doubt Reggie stays healthy next season anyway.

datruth55
01-10-2012, 03:16 PM
Big fan of the U, love the Canes but the only thing Miller has over Richardson is speed. He can't create a hole, he can't move the pile and he has bad shoulders. He left early IMO because his shoulders aren't going to let him have a very long career so he better get the money while he can. There is so much of Miller's game that he needs to work on still too. Pass blocking, pass receiving, continuing to drive his legs after contact, getting his pad level down when he approaches the hole, squaring up to the LOS when he runs through the hole...a lot to work on. But, as I mentioned, because of his shoulders I fully understand why he left early.

MarshallFin1
01-10-2012, 03:25 PM
i disagree, richardson is on adrian petersons level, miller is more on arian foster level, big difference. Put it this way, if richardson drops to us, we'd be crazy to pass on a phenom like that, even with reggie having a great year.

rob19
01-10-2012, 03:28 PM
I don't want a running back in the first round period. The first running back off the board last year was at #28 to the Saints. Granted Richardson is a better talent than Ingram, but I don't think a running back's value is what it used to be. I think you can find quality depth in FA or in the later rounds.

JEDIJ007
01-10-2012, 05:20 PM
Who teh **** is Lamar Miller. does he work at Stanford adn Son?

2413fanphins
01-10-2012, 08:33 PM
LSU held trich in check last night. 96 yards on 20 carries and 34 on one run...


I like a lot of things about lamar miller, but I don't know if he's better than trent. I'd love to see lamar in miami though. damn.

Hayden Fox
01-10-2012, 09:08 PM
Miller is going to blow up his pro day.

JCane
01-10-2012, 10:15 PM
Who teh **** is Lamar Miller. does he work at Stanford adn Son?

You don't watch a lot of college football do you?

Ricky4Life
01-10-2012, 11:39 PM
Richardson is better. I see a lot of Ricky in him but that could be just me.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-10-2012, 11:56 PM
Richardson will go ahead of Miller, but Miller will be the better pick.

The bruising running back type is blah...give me game breaking ability and the threat to take it to the house.You may be right, especially in today's NFL. That's one reason I also like Demps.

Hayden Fox
02-26-2012, 05:57 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/26/with-4-40-miamis-miller-runs-fastest-forty-among-running-backs/

Lamar Miller will be a stud in the NFL. He might go in the 2nd Round and Richardson in the 1st, but in the end Miller will be the better guy.

It is why you do not take a RB in the 1st round.

2413fanphins
02-26-2012, 06:12 PM
I think miller will be there in the second. As he should be. I hope we never take a runningback in the top ten again. As good as ap is, they cant beat greenbay and green bay doesnt have an AP. You need a qb and playmakers. Miller is a homerun waiting to happen. If miller is around at 42, or wherever we are, hed be quite enticing.

The Confessor
02-26-2012, 06:57 PM
never really paid any attention but yeah thanks for the heads up...i think personally millers a little overrated to be honest...but i do think he's got some pretty good nfl talent...that said if its 1st round for miller i'm a pass guy

Interesting. I personally think that Richardson is VERY over-rated....

JCane
02-26-2012, 07:02 PM
Richardson is overrated in the sense that most people will expect him to do in the NFL what he did in college.

This will not happen because the running game isn't as relied upon in the NFL as it is in the college game these days.

As far as Lamar Miller...his knee is a concern for me.

Flip Tanneflop
02-26-2012, 10:22 PM
Whiff.

Its amazing really.

Ive been reading threads for about 15 minutes now and ive barely been able to look at the screen because of my palm being over my face. Reading a bunch of RG3 bs and now this tops it all off.

Miamifin23
02-26-2012, 11:37 PM
These guys aren't in the same neighborhood dude... Richardson is a straight beast and will be a force in the league next season... One of the best rb's that's came out in a while. If we somehow pull off manning or Flynn I wouldn't be opposed to Richardson even though we have bigger needs. Yes I know we need oline safety wr and Te help but Richardson will be a difference maker and someone is going to steal that man if he falls

RichmondWeb
02-26-2012, 11:59 PM
If Richardson is available at #8, we should make a deal with whatever team has to have him, Cincy?, and acquire extra picks in the late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and beyond. We do need a back but we need one to back up Bush, who can do what Bush can do, if Bush gets hurt. I like LaMicheal James in the late 2nd or early 3rd.

RW

quasi
02-27-2012, 01:18 AM
If we take a RB in early rounds in back to back drafts i will be disappointed.

justdev7
02-27-2012, 03:13 AM
Lamar Miller is the truth. Breakaway speed, great agility/allusiveness, good size, and isn't afraid to run a guy over.

Twitches Brew
02-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Lamar Miller is soft. He never played a complete game between the tackles--let alone a complete month of hard-running football; he either split time or started going down on first contact. He's not a guy you can lean on. Hard to tell how big of a deal that is/will be in the passing NFL.

Lord Of Miami
02-28-2012, 12:53 AM
I would of liked Richardson more if he wasn't so into getting bigger...i think he's lost some speed because of that, but he's still going to be a really good RB in the NFL.

If he wakes up one day and makes up his mind he wants to get his speed back to where it was i think he could very well be a HOF kind of player, but as it is ur still getting a top 8 RB in him.

Miller is a heck of a RB but he needs to work on some things, but he is a home run hitter.So it really depends on what ur looking for in a RB and it's " OK " to like both.

luduporcu
02-28-2012, 01:44 AM
ridchardson is def the best coming out. but with his style how long will he last. miller is number 2, but i have chris polk right behind him. if we didnt have two decent rbs right now i would be down grabing polk in the 3rd if he fell that far, which i dont see happening

We DON'T have TWO decent HBs now: we have ONE. D THOMAS came as close to less-than-mediocre as you'll ever see. Throw in an inability to stay healthy, and the word "bust" comes up. He has shown next to nothing

2413fanphins
02-28-2012, 09:17 AM
Im way past the we need a between ghe tackles kind of guy. Does green bay pound the rock between the tackles? Its about getting the ball in the hands of speed and making big plays.

Hayden Fox
08-09-2012, 11:19 AM
Not sure what Miller will do this year, but he is off to a better start than Richardson. Richardson will be a bust.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8248705/sources-cleveland-browns-trent-richardson-knee-surgery-thursday

Tunaphish429
08-09-2012, 11:55 AM
Richardson is a mad man..I knew he was going to go top 3 and deserved to that high....that being said this knee issue is a major concern...I think he will bounce back from it...but right now he is a huge doubt...

Gonzo
08-09-2012, 12:32 PM
RB's bounce back from knee injuries all the time. I'm far more concerned with Miller's shoulders.

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hooshoops
08-09-2012, 02:41 PM
t richs knee is worrisome imo...dr james andrews...thats never a good thing

ali.bryan
08-22-2012, 06:32 AM
richardson will do all his running in games, the browns offense will run him in the ground, like the nfl does with most young backs

smokster
08-23-2012, 12:42 PM
richardson is going to be a stud. 25-30 carries a game and rookie of the year

MacGruber1
08-25-2012, 01:55 AM
You're going to regret starting this thread

Hayden Fox
08-25-2012, 11:25 AM
You're going to regret starting this thread

Maybe. However, considering that Richardson is still not playing and Miller is getting little in touches I am willing to be patient.

I think Miller is Reggie Bush's replacement next year anyways. More than 3 preseason games does a career make.

Hayden Fox
09-16-2012, 04:55 PM
I am telling you Lamar Miller will outshine Trent Richardson in time. Miller showed his explosion today.

greasyObnoxious
09-16-2012, 05:10 PM
I am telling you Lamar Miller will outshine Trent Richardson in time. Miller showed his explosion today.

it's not like Richardson played like a beast today...

JCane
09-16-2012, 05:15 PM
There's no questioning his explosion. That was never a concern of mine.

My concern is his shoulder an his dancing.

Looked like he left his dancing shows at home today, though.

finsfanjay13
09-16-2012, 05:32 PM
Cannot hate on Miller today. That is not a comparison to Richardson, just a statement. Miller did well.

twix2500
09-16-2012, 07:33 PM
I have complete confidence this kid is going to continue to imrove throughout the year. He has the luxury to not have the pressure to carry the load his rookie season. He can focuse on perfecting his craft so he will be ready when its time for him to carry the load. He will show that he was a steal in draft.

TedSlimmJr
09-16-2012, 10:10 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/trich_medium-1.gif

That wasn't even his best touchdown today...







http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/asvzqk-1.jpg

Trent didn't even have a preseason... this is a month after a knee scope.



Lamar Miller is not in Trent Richardson's class, without even factoring in the aspects that get you on the field as a starter.... pass protection and ability to identify and pick up blitzes.

This is probably the silliest thread in the entire draft forum... and that's sayin' something.

ticophin
09-17-2012, 02:54 PM
Plus, itīs going to take something REALLY special to take the ROY from RGIII

tylerdolphin
09-17-2012, 03:43 PM
Its absolutely not a slight to Miller at all to say he isnt on Richardson's level.

ticophin
09-19-2012, 12:48 PM
Richardson is a wrecking ball with a V-12...Miller is as fast and elusive, but, has a bum shoulder, the moment he has to use it to plow his way through, heīll be thinking about it...

Phinatic8u
09-19-2012, 01:32 PM
Plus, itīs going to take something REALLY special to take the ROY from RGIII

Your making this statement after only 2 games?

:lol:

ticophin
09-19-2012, 06:29 PM
yes, and its my opinion...

Fish Head
09-23-2012, 09:28 AM
Lamar Miller

Clipse
09-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Your making this statement after only 2 games?

:lol:

3 games now, and I'd say RG3 clearly has this thing locked up if he keeps playing as remotely good as he has been. He has all the hype surrounding him, and that's as important as anything since the media does the voting. Doesn't help that Richardson has looked pretty damn awful in 2 games either. Long way to go of course, but I don't see RG3 slipping enough that he doesn't run away with it, even if Trent Richardson has a great year.

2413fanphins
09-26-2012, 10:37 PM
another vote for miller time here. I was on the miller side of this conversation when it was started way back. We didn't have to give up the third pick in the draft for a back who is IMO, been more productive or at the very least just as productive so far as a pro in lamar miller.

31 less rushing attempts, 62 less yards, 1 less touchdown. (rushing)... he has yet to be featured in the passing game but even still he only trails trich by 11 rec and a td.

it's a long ways out before we can tell who the better back will be in the NFL, but as of right now we have 3 professional games to go off of, and IMO, lamar miller may end up having the better statistical year, playing from a backup role.

adrianbello360
10-02-2012, 08:39 PM
beast

Hayden Fox
10-21-2012, 05:16 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/21/trent-richardson-wasnt-injured-wasnt-effective/

Miller cannot seem to get on the field right now, but after reading this article, I am still holding to my take that Miller will end up being better than Richardson.

Kistner10
10-21-2012, 06:23 PM
I'd give you credit on Miller Hayden Fox.

I think their talent is close enough that the only thing really seperating them is opportunity for carries. I think Miller, once he learns to pass block, can be a starting HB in the NFL.

Thats part of the reason I'd never draft a RB in the first round unless I thought they were a truely unique talent and could become the best RB in football (Like Peterson as a prospect).

I wasn't a fan of Cleveland taking Richardson so high, especially since Miller(4th rd), Alfred Morris (6th Rd), and Daryl Richardson (7th Rd) all look really good. Vick Ballard also looks decent and he was a 5th Rd pick I believe too, so I don't think the value of taking Richardson at number 3 overall is all that great.

Pinkboy
10-22-2012, 12:11 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/21/trent-richardson-wasnt-injured-wasnt-effective/

Miller cannot seem to get on the field right now, but after reading this article, I am still holding to my take that Miller will end up being better than Richardson.

I would never select a RB in the 1st round.

I remember debating this with several Pro-Richardson and Pro-Ingram guys on the board the past couple of years, guys who wanted them in the 1st round. And who were foaming at the mouth for them. lol

just say NO to RB's in the 1st round. Good backs can be acquired in many other ways.

In 5 games this year Mark Ingram has 106 total yards rushing, and "under" 3 yards per carry. And just 1 catch for minus 1 yard. ROFL

Vindicated

Kistner10
10-22-2012, 03:08 AM
I would never select a RB in the 1st round.

I remember debating this with several Pro-Richardson and Pro-Ingram guys on the board the past couple of years, guys who wanted them in the 1st round. And who were foaming at the mouth for them. lol

just say NO to RB's in the 1st round. Good backs can be acquired in many other ways.

In 5 games this year Mark Ingram has 106 total yards rushing, and "under" 3 yards per carry. And just 1 catch for minus 1 yard. ROFL

Vindicated

Totally agree. Arian Foster wasn't even drafted and the guy is the best RB in football right now.

The Ronnie Brown pick was really what killed Nick Saban during his tenure here. You can get solid RB's anywhere in the draft really. To draft one in the top 5 and not have them become a top 2 or 3 RB in football really sets you back.

ChambersWI
10-22-2012, 08:35 AM
Richardson I think was worth a top 5 talent wise. The dumb thing was trading up one spot for him when nobody else was looking to move up for him. Ingram I thought would be better than he has so far due to his receiving ability but it hasn't happened.

RBs are kind of funny. There are quite a few RBs out there that you'd think were gonna be good pro RBs in the pros haven't done that yet.

Hayden Fox
10-22-2012, 08:39 PM
You wonder if the Browns should have took RT and drafted a Doug Martin?

Wildbill3
10-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Totally agree. Arian Foster wasn't even drafted and the guy is the best RB in football right now.

The Ronnie Brown pick was really what killed Nick Saban during his tenure here. You can get solid RB's anywhere in the draft really. To draft one in the top 5 and not have them become a top 2 or 3 RB in football really sets you back.
yeah. we could've had rogers AND Frank gore.

Wildbill3
10-22-2012, 09:49 PM
Richardson I think was worth a top 5 talent wise. The dumb thing was trading up one spot for him when nobody else was looking to move up for him. Ingram I thought would be better than he has so far due to his receiving ability but it hasn't happened.

RBs are kind of funny. There are quite a few RBs out there that you'd think were gonna be good pro RBs in the pros haven't done that yet.runningbacks gotta have the vision before anything else. without it... they tend to plow aheadinto the back of linemen and can't anticpate where the hole is going to be. they have to see the hole before they hit it, and in the nfl the hole opens and closes so quickly that if you don't have a feel for it, you'll miss your chance.

ticophin
02-02-2013, 11:07 PM
Your making this statement after only 2 games?

:lol:
"Robert Griffin III beat out fellow quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson to win Offensive Rookie of the Year award."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130202/rg3-arians-kuechly-claim-yearly-awards/#ixzz2JnjO3goB

Crow "a la meniere" is served, donīt be late for dinner!!:up:

utahphinsfan
02-03-2013, 03:39 PM
Bob griffin won Roy!? Yawn!

Lets hear it for the social engineering that follows he & every other African American QB except Doug Williams & Warren Moon. pfffffffffft!

Valandui
02-03-2013, 03:57 PM
"Robert Griffin III beat out fellow quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson to win Offensive Rookie of the Year award."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130202/rg3-arians-kuechly-claim-yearly-awards/#ixzz2JnjO3goB

Crow "a la meniere" is served, donīt be late for dinner!!:up:

In all fairness, I knew he would win ROTY as soon as he got the Heisman, whether he deserved it or not.

ticophin
02-04-2013, 11:58 AM
It just takes posting to receive critiques, but credits, impossible...

Hayden Fox
12-01-2013, 10:16 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/01/colts-bench-trent-richardson/

My boy Miler needs to get better, but based on the round of the pick and the given stats....and that he is still starting Miller > Richardson.

Hayden Fox
12-01-2013, 10:19 AM
You're going to regret starting this thread

Really?

JCane
12-01-2013, 11:13 AM
OP nailed it.

However, I don't think anyone is very impressed with Lamar Miller. He's pretty much exactly what he was at the University of Miami. He's a guy with lightning quick speed who hangs out in the backfield looking for that warp zone hole that's going to launch him 80+ yards.

I will say that he has made improvements this season from week one to today. Lately, he has been trusting and following some blocks as he should and picking up some nice gains. His size and fragility is still a concern for me as well.

JCane
12-01-2013, 11:17 AM
Also, we should dig up those threads where guys said Trent Richardson was a without question a top five draft pick and would produce as such because he's the next best thing to Adrian Peterson.

I told you guys, it's not difficult to see....the running game in the NFL is a thing of the past. No one relies on the big bruising back in today's NFL. The NFL has slanted rules in favor of the QB and WR and have taken the RB away.

Phinatic8u
12-01-2013, 11:21 AM
"Robert Griffin III beat out fellow quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson to win Offensive Rookie of the Year award."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130202/rg3-arians-kuechly-claim-yearly-awards/#ixzz2JnjO3goB

Crow "a la meniere" is served, donīt be late for dinner!!:up:

:lol:

FAIL!

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:20 AM ----------


Also, we should dig up those threads where guys said Trent Richardson was a without question a top five draft pick and would produce as such because he's the next best thing to Adrian Peterson.

I told you guys, it's not difficult to see....the running game in the NFL is a thing of the past. No one relies on the big bruising back in today's NFL. The NFL has slanted rules in favor of the QB and WR and have taken the RB away.

But to be successful you have to be able to run the ball..

JCane
12-01-2013, 11:33 AM
:lol:

FAIL!

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:20 AM ----------



But to be successful you have to be able to run the ball..

No one will argue against that.

But spending a top five pick on a RB is laughable. I don't care who it is. The NFL is no longer built for a superstar RB.

What are the Minnesota Vikings doing with Adrian Peterson these days? Adrian Peterson is the best RB the NFL has seen in 15 years and he's only useful in nerd ball. If I'm the Vikings, I'm unloading him while he still has some value left.

Flip Tanneflop
12-01-2013, 11:42 AM
Both of them blow.

hooshoops
12-01-2013, 11:54 AM
Both of them blow.

Pretty much...miller doesn't run thru contact at all...more a 2nd rb in a split carry system

Hayden Fox
12-01-2013, 01:25 PM
Miller is not a 1st rounder that has been spun off for another 1st rounder. I will take Miller in the fourth round and what he gives versus Richardson.

Mudder1310
12-01-2013, 02:21 PM
I would love to see him become a more committed type of runner. Make one cut and go for however far that is instead of dancing looking for the big play.

Hayden Fox
12-01-2013, 10:16 PM
Not a bad day for Miller against the best run defense in the league.

2413fanphins
12-01-2013, 10:34 PM
Not a bad day for Miller against the best run defense in the league.

meanwhile, trent richardson, the former first rounder, who was traded for first rounder, was benched in favor of... donald brown??

at the very least miller in the 4th was better than trich in the 1st.

j-off-her-doll
12-02-2013, 01:32 PM
No one will argue against that.

But spending a top five pick on a RB is laughable. I don't care who it is. The NFL is no longer built for a superstar RB.

What are the Minnesota Vikings doing with Adrian Peterson these days? Adrian Peterson is the best RB the NFL has seen in 15 years and he's only useful in nerd ball. If I'm the Vikings, I'm unloading him while he still has some value left.

Seattle has - by far - my favorite backfield in the league. I absolutely love the way they're built. Three physical backs - all about 220 - who can take and give punishment.

Hayden Fox
12-29-2014, 07:07 PM
I felt the need to bump this thread. I get my share of things wrong and admit it. However, I think I nailed this one and many here were flat-out wrong. Funny to read what people said years ago. I always liked Miller. I never made him to be the next Marcus Allen. However, I loved his talent and considering his round he was drafted in, he was a quality pick.

Plus, I never liked Richardson's game. Totally overrated…much like other Alabama prospects.

2014
Miler 1,099 yards on 216 carries. 5.1 per carry average. 8 TD's
Richardson 519 yards on 159 carries. 3.3 per carry average. 3 TD's.

Congrats on a great year, Lamar.

Mudder1310
12-29-2014, 07:36 PM
What's the saying about a blind pig finding acorns? :troll:

No, nice call. I was skeptical about Miller due to his penchant for avoiding contact. I questioned his toughness. I was mistaken. Richardson....that was an unfortunate pick.

xXwarXx
12-29-2014, 07:46 PM
Funny thing About miller is I thought his patience and vision were great coming out of college, And in the NFL its been terrible. Def saw improvement this year, but IMO he left a lot of huge runs On the field.

A player with his speed and running style should be able to do serious Damage once he hits the 2nd level, seemEd like He would get to the second level, and run full speed into the first defender he saw. Maybe he improves on that next year.

utahphinsfan
12-29-2014, 07:48 PM
Props on calling it.


...Plus, I never liked Richardson's game. Totally overrated…much like other Alabama prospects. ...

Agreed. He & Ingram have been a big steaming pile of Elephant (pun intended) droppings. Lacy has been the exception to the rule so far.

Hayden Fox
12-29-2014, 07:52 PM
Miller is not a bell cow RB. The team needs to get him a running mate though I think Damien Williams needs to be factored in.

I am happy for Miller. He should have got more looks in the past few years, but for some reason Philbin sat on him.

Wadeshow
12-29-2014, 08:52 PM
After reading some of the earlier posts its funny how hurricane players that are being coached by the biggest pansy in the country still go to the nfl and produce.

While yearly every saban player comes with huge hype and are **** in 3 years. There are exceptions to this but still funny.

At the end of the day south florida kids over any other area.

What would you say with a lamar miller duke johnson pairing?

J. David Wannyheimer
12-29-2014, 09:32 PM
Totally overrated…much like other Alabama prospects.


So you're saying that someone is going to whiff by drafting Amari Cooper in the top 5?

Austin Tatious
12-29-2014, 09:34 PM
That 97 yard play was the play of the year, if not several years. Miller deserves credit for all the work he put in to make himself better. I like Damien Williams as a 3rd down back. Now we need a bruising big power back.

J. David Wannyheimer
12-29-2014, 09:40 PM
T-Rich is cool in my book, because it's not often that you see a running back whose yards per carry matches his jersey number. I mean, assuming you want to add in that decimal point. Ya know.

Gonzo
12-29-2014, 09:47 PM
So you're saying that someone is going to whiff by drafting Amari Cooper in the top 5?

No doubt. Atlanta totally whiffed on their first rounder in 2011.

J. David Wannyheimer
12-29-2014, 09:49 PM
No doubt. Atlanta totally whiffed on their first rounder in 2011.

Hey, he said it, not me.

Here's another cool T-Rich fact. In addition to having a 3.3 yards per carry average, he also averages 33 yards per game across his career.

tylerdolphin
12-29-2014, 09:57 PM
Hey, he said it, not me.

Here's another cool T-Rich fact. In addition to having a 3.3 yards per carry average, he also averages 33 yards per game across his career.

YPC aside (which is damning in itself), the GIFs of his runs are brutal. His vision is absolutely laughable.

I have a post in here saying Richardson is better than Miller and it appears I was flat wrong. Richardson is straight trash.

J. David Wannyheimer
12-29-2014, 10:06 PM
"You need one yard, I'll get you two. You need ten yards, I'll get you two." - Trent Richardson

Gonzo
12-29-2014, 10:09 PM
Hey, he said it, not me.

Here's another cool T-Rich fact. In addition to having a 3.3 yards per carry average, he also averages 33 yards per game across his career.

Sadly, some use him as the face of Alabama for some reason. Not sure I really understand the agenda against that school, even though I'm not a fan myself. When you put that many people into the NFL, you are going to have some busts. They hardly define the program itself. All I know, I'd absolutely love to have both Ha-Ha and Mosley on this team right now. I'd take Warmack, Lacy, Milliner (showing well at the end of last season and starting well before injury this season), Dre Kirkpatrick (developing this year), Dont'a Hightower, Upshaw, Julio, Dareus, James Carpenter, and Ingram on this team as well. And that's only going back to 2011.

Sorry, I just don't get the blind hatred for the school. Clouding vision.

J. David Wannyheimer
12-29-2014, 10:20 PM
Sorry, I just don't get the blind hatred for the school. Clouding vision.

I really don't like Nick Saban. I think he's a lousy human being. A legitimately bad person, and NOT for the reason that most people here don't like him. I think he's an awful person because I know how he interacted with the 'little people' in Davie on a daily basis, and quite frankly, the man is simply a ****head. I think the Bryant family has done some pretty lousy things. So I'm no fan of Alabama because the folks put up on pedestals in Tuscaloosa ain't all that.

But I'm with you that I think it's silly to paint prospects with a broad brush just because they come from the same school. Just as an example, I would never rip on USC quarterbacks just because they're from USC. Sure, Mark Sanchez blows, and Matt Leinart blew, and Matt Barkley hasn't had a promising start, but that really has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the next quarterback drafted from USC is going to be good.

I'd take Amari Cooper on this team in a heartbeat.

JCane
12-29-2014, 10:30 PM
Great thread. Great call by the OP.

I think it's safe to say he nailed this one. I love that OP made a claim, trusted his eyeballs and stuck to his beliefs because they were accurate.

I never bought in to Richardson like everyone else did, but I expected better from him. As I stated early on about Lamar Miller, he's very explosive but my concern was always how he seems to dance around in the backfield. Looks as if he learned a lot in the offseason and now he's trusting the line and following his blockers. You have to be impressed with Lamar Miller this season considering what he has done behind the same line that can't seem to protect Tannehill long enough.

TedSlimmJr
12-29-2014, 10:59 PM
Trent has been a disaster since his rookie season. Never in a million years would I have ever thought Lamar Miller would've been a better back than Trent at the next level.

But Trent has just been that bad. Miller has only finally developed into an average back that is best in a running back by committee approach. He's not a feature 25 carry a game RB.

For a 4th round pick Miller has certainly earned his draft position this year and turned out to be one of Ireland's better trade ups for a RB. But if you do it every year you're bound to mess up and get one right eventually.

It just shouldn't take a RB with Miller's speed this long to finally break a long run. 444 carries and finally had a run for more than 49 yards.

Miami needs a true stud RB to allow Miller to perform at his premium 10-15 carries a game.

maralieus
12-30-2014, 12:51 AM
Great thread. Great call by the OP.

I think it's safe to say he nailed this one. I love that OP made a claim, trusted his eyeballs and stuck to his beliefs because they were accurate.

I never bought in to Richardson like everyone else did, but I expected better from him. As I stated early on about Lamar Miller, he's very explosive but my concern was always how he seems to dance around in the backfield. Looks as if he learned a lot in the offseason and now he's trusting the line and following his blockers. You have to be impressed with Lamar Miller this season considering what he has done behind the same line that can't seem to protect Tannehill long enough.

Miller has made huge leaps this year. He hits the holes much harder and lower, and he has actually started to get respectable yardage after contact. I think he has a place here for as long as he keeps playing like he has this year. We need a true power type back though. We need our Lynch. Moreno may be worth a shot, but I'd draft a young guy in case. It's crazy that after all this time we've been saying "when is Miller gonna break one dammit??" boy did he ever break one yesterday!

j-off-her-doll
12-30-2014, 09:00 AM
Trent has been a disaster since his rookie season. Never in a million years would I have ever thought Lamar Miller would've been a better back than Trent at the next level.

But Trent has just been that bad. Miller has only finally developed into an average back that is best in a running back by committee approach. He's not a feature 25 carry a game RB.

For a 4th round pick Miller has certainly earned his draft position this year and turned out to be one of Ireland's better trade ups for a RB. But if you do it every year you're bound to mess up and get one right eventually.

It just shouldn't take a RB with Miller's speed this long to finally break a long run. 444 carries and finally had a run for more than 49 yards.

Miami needs a true stud RB to allow Miller to perform at his premium 10-15 carries a game.

Given where Miami will be drafting, Tevin Coleman makes a lot of sense in the 2nd RD. As much as I like Duke Johnson and DJ Foster, you're right. Miami needs a stud, bell-cow RB. Picking at 14, I'm not willing to spend a 1st on Gordon. I love Gordon, but too many things can go wrong for a RB. You compared Coleman to Martin in the RB's thread, and I really like that comparison. I think that's the kind of player Miami needs. Use the 1st RD pick on a defensive stud and nail down your RB of the future in the 2nd.

hooshoops
12-30-2014, 10:51 AM
i guess when you never hit you should bump anything you do that doesnt blow...:lol:

difference for miller this year is primarily the weight gain which helped him take contact better...in the process he scrubbed some long speed off which was evident on that 97 yard td run but he has been one of the most improved players on the roster this year...his game is ideal for this scheme that's for sure...not an alpha though...the scheme helps him a lot

miami stilll has work to do at rb

Hayden Fox
12-30-2014, 11:14 AM
i guess when you never hit you should bump anything you do that doesnt blow...:lol:

difference for miller this year is primarily the weight gain which helped him take contact better...in the process he scrubbed some long speed off which was evident on that 97 yard td run but he has been one of the most improved players on the roster this year...his game is ideal for this scheme that's for sure...not an alpha though...the scheme helps him a lot

miami stilll has work to do at rb

The hate you have for me runs deep…wow.

Maybe I should find the Ziggy Ansah vs. Mingo threads…or the Fins will pay for cutting Bryan Tyms. Or that the Jets would own the Fins Week 17 last year because of coaching and match ups. Give me a break.

Truth is that those that truly follow college football and the NFL sometime hit on things and other times miss. It is those that never think they are wrong that need to be tuned out and prove to be crackpots.

I do not deny Miami needs another back to go with Miller. However, the premise of the thread Miller > Richardson was dead on.

hooshoops
12-30-2014, 11:24 AM
hmmm tyms is an nfl wr so that fails mingo vs ansah the latters pass rush isnt really doing much but he's a power player and better than i expected for sure although his pass rush hasnt validated a top 5 pick...mingo for miami i was taking as a situational rusher in a 43 out of a 3 point stance where i still think he has a future the transition to olb in a 34 has been a tough one...not everyone can switch from coming forward their entire life to not...

no idea what the whole jets thing last year is about if you had some lbs with a freaking clue we could have shut down the jets tendencies in that one but we didnt then and we don't now

i don't hate you i just know you throw **** at the wall and see if anything sticks and then pimp it on repeat and i just dont respect that...never will...

trent richardsons biggest problem is lack of vision...didnt show much of it at bama even and it has carried over the pros...no vision...miller didnt show much vision last year nor did he run thru contact at all...so why didnt you pimp this thing last year??? i know why

j-off-her-doll
12-30-2014, 05:39 PM
I feel like Richardson's main problem is that he's thicker than he was in college (looks a lot thicker to me), and as a result, he's lost his burst. Vision is an issue too, but compared to how he ran at 'Bama, he looks like he's running in mud, and I don't think it's the jump in competition.

EricCartman
01-03-2015, 11:07 AM
then the question, for a non expert like me, is: who decides, and why, to bulk up so much? is the player himself or the staff (like for Dion Jordan) ?
I ask because the guy has been in 2 different teams and I wonder if someone else noted his lack of burst and if they tried something to improve.
On some colts board I read they complain he doesn't break any tackles... then his bulk is useless, wouldn't be logic try to slim a little to gain some speed? Just my curiosity about how these things work in the NFL

j-off-her-doll
01-03-2015, 12:21 PM
then the question, for a non expert like me, is: who decides, and why, to bulk up so much? is the player himself or the staff (like for Dion Jordan) ?
I ask because the guy has been in 2 different teams and I wonder if someone else noted his lack of burst and if they tried something to improve.
On some colts board I read they complain he doesn't break any tackles... then his bulk is useless, wouldn't be logic try to slim a little to gain some speed? Just my curiosity about how these things work in the NFL

Slimm would probably know better, but I remember that Alabama limited the amount of weight Richardson could lift. It's possible that NFL teams just didn't follow suit.

spiketex
01-06-2015, 03:33 AM
Great call by Hayden (dare I say, genius). Trent Richardson was seen as a likely NFL star and he now looks a major bust, while Lamar Miller just gets better and better. Over 95% of college football fans would have predicted Richardson to have the better NFL career of the two and they would be wrong. Cleveland is looking really smart for recognizing that they drafted a dud and took quick corrective action to unload.

Hayden Fox
01-08-2015, 01:17 PM
Jason La Canfora retweeted
Zak Keefer @zkeefer · 11m 11 minutes ago
Working with the punt coverage team today during #Colts practice ... Trent Richardson.

2413fanphins
01-08-2015, 06:48 PM
not sure why they dont give miller more carries. 12 carries or so a game and gets you 5.0 ypc and 1000 yards.

why not give the kid 20 carries a game, or at the very least let him run some outside stuff inside of inside zone read type stuff.

hard to utilize your speed when 85% of your touches go a or b gap.

nice call hayden.

miller time much better than trent.

-=DolfanDave=-
01-08-2015, 07:46 PM
not sure why they dont give miller more carries. 12 carries or so a game and gets you 5.0 ypc and 1000 yards.

why not give the kid 20 carries a game, or at the very least let him run some outside stuff inside of inside zone read type stuff.

hard to utilize your speed when 85% of your touches go a or b gap.

nice call hayden.

miller time much better than trent.

at 20 carriers per game, you're going to see drastic diminishing returns from Miller

I agree they should give him the rock a little more, but 20 carries per game consistently just seem like too much of a load for a guy like Miler.

Hayden Fox
01-08-2015, 10:01 PM
I LOVE Miller. Have always believed in him. However, he needs another runner to help him. Nothing wrong with that.

Fins1971
01-08-2015, 10:06 PM
I posted in another thread that Miller has actually outperformed Reggie Bush over the last 2 years for a third of the price. Get some more linemen and give the ball to Miller more

Hayden Fox
01-09-2015, 12:07 AM
Good player.

Sons of Shula
01-09-2015, 02:10 AM
not sure why they dont give miller more carries. 12 carries or so a game and gets you 5.0 ypc and 1000 yards.

why not give the kid 20 carries a game, or at the very least let him run some outside stuff inside of inside zone read type stuff.

hard to utilize your speed when 85% of your touches go a or b gap.

nice call hayden.

miller time much better than trent.

It was virtually a perfect split between inside and outside runs. 50.13% were run thru the A and B gaps. 49.87% we're run thru the C and D gaps. Here's a chart to prove just how balanced we were.

Type____Attempts_Yards Avg_% of plays
CENTER............97 397 4.09 25.19%
LEFT END..........62 286 4.61 16.10%
RIGHT GUARD....53 341 6.43 13.77%
LEFT TACKLE.....50 219 4.38 12.99%
RIGHT END ........44 302 6.86 11.43%
LEFT GUARD......43 231 5.37 11.17%
RIGHT TACKLE...36 132 3.67 9.35%

They number of runs per game, for the most part, was purely scheme driven. It was a simple as if there was less than 8 men in the box, we ran.

johngarry
01-09-2015, 02:43 AM
Richardson will prob hit street free/clear.. talk about a guy who's career could use revival.. the big 3rd down back that gets a yard 'n moves the chains our O needs

spiketex
01-09-2015, 11:43 AM
Richardson will prob hit street free/clear.. talk about a guy who's career could use revival.. the big 3rd down back that gets a yard 'n moves the chains our O needs
He shows zilch every week. The good player in college has become a big dud. Maybe Saban squeezed all the juice out of him in Alabama, but I wouldn't go near him.

Hayden Fox
01-11-2015, 04:14 PM
Ian Rapport Tweet

Trent Richardson is inactive for the #Colts vs the #Broncos today

Rolltide03
01-11-2015, 08:10 PM
He shows zilch every week. The good player in college has become a big dud. Maybe Saban squeezed all the juice out of him in Alabama, but I wouldn't go near him.

He really wasn't overused at Bama, being a bama guy I always felt he was overrated and knew Lacy and Ingram would be better out of the trio. But I sure didn't think he'd flunk this bad. I don't think he's worth taking a chance on. Better targets we could get later in the draft me thinks

Hayden Fox
01-17-2015, 05:23 PM
Stop the Fight!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/17/trent-richardson-doesnt-travel-with-colts-on-saturday-for-personal-reasons/

Unchained 07
01-17-2015, 05:57 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2015/01/lookatme-1.gif

TheWalrus
01-17-2015, 09:20 PM
The Colts will almost surely release him before next year. You've got to wonder at this point how much longer Richardson's career will last. He's still a good blocker and a conscientious, good locker room type. That might sustain him at a league minimum type salary. But he seems destined to end up one of the busts of the decade and one of the bigger running back busts of all time. Curtis Enis is a name that comes to mind, the old Penn State curse when a great OL made a series of running backs look better than they were.

j-off-her-doll
01-18-2015, 09:20 AM
The Colts will almost surely release him before next year. You've got to wonder at this point how much longer Richardson's career will last. He's still a good blocker and a conscientious, good locker room type. That might sustain him at a league minimum type salary. But he seems destined to end up one of the busts of the decade and one of the bigger running back busts of all time. Curtis Enis is a name that comes to mind, the old Penn State curse when a great OL made a series of running backs look better than they were.

I still think Richardson has a shot to make an impact in the NFL. He needs to slim down and regain that explosiveness. He never looked so square at Alabama. He looks like he's about 230, and at his height, he should get down to the 210-215 range.

Nappy Roots
01-18-2015, 09:41 AM
I still think Richardson has a shot to make an impact in the NFL. He needs to slim down and regain that explosiveness. He never looked so square at Alabama. He looks like he's about 230, and at his height, he should get down to the 210-215 range.


His issue is his vision, or extreme lack of....he will be out of the league in a year.

j-off-her-doll
01-18-2015, 11:48 AM
His issue is his vision, or extreme lack of....he will be out of the league in a year.

It's an issue, but that was never a great aspect of his game. People compared him to Adrian Peterson, because he displayed great burst coming out of Alabama. Since joining the NFL, he's shown none of it, and he's much wider. I don't think his loss of explosion as a coincidence or some strange occurrence. He looks like a bowling ball.

Forget the plays, but just look at his physique in this highlight. He's not skinny, but he's much thinner - doesn't look like he's as wide as he is tall. I'd be all over Trent Richardson for the right price, and I'd tell him to get down to 215. At 5'9, he shouldn't be 230.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ6rFi0LK2M

rev kev
01-18-2015, 11:51 AM
Richardson vision is telling him one thing and his body is telling him another ~ siilar case to Peyton his mind is fine, vision is too, his body is holding him back...

In the case of Richardson the dude is a waaaaaaay to heavy to make the cuts we saw at his combine

If he slims down he can make a roster, and maybe he gets to play his way into an active role

Is he still a "bust" yes..., but he can still be serviceable

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It's an issue, but that was never a great aspect of his game. People compared him to Adrian Peterson, because he displayed great burst coming out of Alabama. Since joining the NFL, he's shown none of it, and he's much wider. I don't think his loss of explosion as a coincidence or some strange occurrence. He looks like a bowling ball.

Forget the plays, but just look at his physique in this highlight. He's not skinny, but he's much thinner - doesn't look like he's as wide as he is tall. I'd be all over Trent Richardson for the right price, and I'd tell him to get down to 215. At 5'9, he shouldn't be 230.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ6rFi0LK2M

Very words I was going to sue he looks like a bowling ball

TheWalrus
01-18-2015, 11:57 AM
I still think Richardson has a shot to make an impact in the NFL. He needs to slim down and regain that explosiveness. He never looked so square at Alabama. He looks like he's about 230, and at his height, he should get down to the 210-215 range.

I've seen good running backs slim down to become great ones (we saw it with Ricky Williams and with 2007 Ronnie Brown, who had the best eight game stretch of his career). I've never seen it turn a bad running back into a good one, and Richardson has been bad. And it's not like 230 is a ridiculous number at his height. CJ Anderson is 5'8, 225 and isn't sluggish.

Don't get me wrong, maybe it would help. You never know. He should definitely try it. But mainly I see a sluggish mind when he plays, not a sluggish body. The main positive thing that he might need for his game back is confidence. I saw the problems with his vision in college and posted about them. But it seems to have gotten so much worse that maybe he's just been broken down mentally. He might just need to get the right coach in his ear who will tell him to stop thinking and start running.

hooshoops
01-18-2015, 01:52 PM
His issue is his vision, or extreme lack of....he will be out of the league in a year.

If he's not he will be working on a vet minimum contract...from the penthouse to the outhouse

TheWalrus
01-18-2015, 03:17 PM
Ah. Apparently Richardson missed the walkthrough and will miss the game due to a serious family emergency. I hope everything is okay. I don't take any pleasure in seeing these guys fail, especially guys with a reputation for being good people (which is what I've always heard about Richardson).