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CallMeDaddy
01-15-2012, 06:07 AM
I know this isn't the most popular opinion on this board but I feel Wilson is the best QB to sit behind Moore for a year or two until he's ready. I feel Tannehill is overrated for the positions I've seen mock drafts pick him in and he just broke his foot. I wouldn't mind Weeden but I don't feel excited have a 28 year old sit behind Moore for a year or two and having a 30 or 31 year old QB coming in for his first starts. I feel Wilson has everything you could as for in a QB besides his height, they guy has mobility and arm strength and would be a great pick in the 3rd round or so.

weisdolphins
01-15-2012, 06:11 AM
I know this isn't the most popular opinion on this board but I feel Wilson is the best QB to sit behind Moore for a year or two until he's ready. I feel Tannehill is overrated for the positions I've seen mock drafts pick him in and he just broke his foot. I wouldn't mind Weeden but I don't feel excited have a 28 year old sit behind Moore for a year or two and having a 30 or 31 year old QB coming in for his first starts. I feel Wilson has everything you could as for in a QB besides his height, they guy has mobility and arm strength and would be a great pick in the 3rd round or so. I am a big fan of Russell Wilson. He is going to be a great pick up, I hope he is in a dolphins uniform next season.

Kistner10
01-15-2012, 06:15 AM
I'm not a huge Weeden fan, but Russell Wilson is someone who MIGHT become a decent backup Quarterback. The guy is 5"11 on a good day. Name one starting QB in the NFL at that height....... Still Waiting

CallMeDaddy
01-15-2012, 06:23 AM
Drew Brees is under 6 foot, he is listed as 6 foot but he has said he is under.

weisdolphins
01-15-2012, 06:27 AM
I'm not a huge Weeden fan, but Russell Wilson is someone who MIGHT become a decent backup Quarterback. The guy is 5"11 on a good day. Name one starting QB in the NFL at that height....... Still Waiting it doesn't matter if he is not the prototypical size for a quarterback. Darren sproles is not the normal size for a running back but I will take him over all the backs on our roster right now. As long as you have the determination and the skills you can be the best regardless of your size.

weisdolphins
01-15-2012, 06:37 AM
Also Doug Flutie was only 5'10" and is a Hall of Fame quarterback

Valandui
01-15-2012, 06:38 AM
Completely disagree.

CallMeDaddy
01-15-2012, 06:43 AM
Completely disagree.

:chuckle: I knew you'd be in here eventually. You see something in Tannehill that I don't, I don't see anything special in him but that's just me, I completely respect your opinion. Just wondering, are you an A&M fan?

TheWarriorFins
01-15-2012, 06:45 AM
We won't get any of those 8/9th in the 1st round just depends if they are still avialable at 2nd/3rd round

weisdolphins
01-15-2012, 06:48 AM
We won't get any of those 8/9th in the 1st round just depends if they are still avialable at 2nd/3rd round I don't think we should draft a quarterback in the first round. I agree that it should be second or third.

CallMeDaddy
01-15-2012, 06:49 AM
We won't get any of those 8/9th in the 1st round just depends if they are still avialable at 2nd/3rd round

I'm not wanting any of them besides Wilson to be drafted before the 3rd, Wilson is the only one worth it.

MadDog 88
01-15-2012, 07:14 AM
Weeden won't sit behind Moore in all likelihood. He is one of two QBs most likely to make an immediate impact.

MadDog 88
01-15-2012, 07:16 AM
Also Doug Flutie was only 5'10" and is a Hall of Fame quarterbackDoug Flutie is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. His best play was in the USFL and CFL.

BigNastyDB13
01-15-2012, 10:12 AM
Also Doug Flutie was only 5'10" and is a Hall of Fame quarterback Do what? He wasn't even an elite Qb during his own playing days, let alone a Hall of Famer. I don't think he even made the pro bowl and if he did it wasnt because he was a top 6 Qb.

DKphin
01-15-2012, 10:32 AM
Also Doug Flutie was only 5'10" and is a Hall of Fame quarterbackDoug Flutie is in the HOF? Am I missing something?

Dolfan4life!
01-15-2012, 11:18 AM
Doug Flutie is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. His best play was in the USFL and CFL.
Doug Flutie was in no way, shape, or form a Hall of Fame caliber QB. However, there is no such thing as the NFL Hall of Fame, it's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame, where accomplishments in the NFL, UFL, USFL, CFL, etc. merit consideration. BTW, Wilson will probably make his money in Canada, I doubt he would make an NFL roster.

weisdolphins
01-15-2012, 03:26 PM
Doug Flutie is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. His best play was in the USFL and CFL. lol my bad got to excited trying to prove a point. He's not.

sinPHIN
01-15-2012, 07:21 PM
i hope we can pick up wilson. he is a leader and his football iq is very good.

JEDIJ007
01-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Doug Flutie was in no way, shape, or form a Hall of Fame caliber QB. However, there is no such thing as the NFL Hall of Fame, it's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame, where accomplishments in the NFL, UFL, USFL, CFL, etc. merit consideration. BTW, Wilson will probably make his money in Canada, I doubt he would make an NFL roster.

NA he'd rather go back to the MLB.

CalDolFan10x14
01-15-2012, 07:30 PM
it doesn't matter if he is not the prototypical size for a quarterback. Darren sproles is not the normal size for a running back but I will take him over all the backs on our roster right now. As long as you have the determination and the skills you can be the best regardless of your size.

You'd take Sproles over Bush???? :ponder: Interesting because Bush had nearly 600 more rushing yards than Bush did and came on very strong at the end of the season.

ckparrothead
01-15-2012, 08:20 PM
Russell Wilson is very, very underrated. Not better than Weeden, but maybe better than Tannehill.

But I have to give credit to TedSlimmJr, he's talked about Chandler Harnish before and so I took a look at him a long time ago and kind of liked what I saw. I dove into him more heavily recently and came away convinced he might be the most underrated quarterback in the Draft.

Valandui
01-15-2012, 09:10 PM
:chuckle: I knew you'd be in here eventually. You see something in Tannehill that I don't, I don't see anything special in him but that's just me, I completely respect your opinion. Just wondering, are you an A&M fan?

There's obviously the physical measurables. He also is intelligent, comes from a pro style offense, and, although he is still pretty raw, he seems to have improved a lot over a really short amount of time. Obviously, I'm no QB expert, but if we were wanting to see what Moore could do as a full time starter but also hedge our bets, Tannehill would be the ideal QB to draft.

CallMeDaddy
01-16-2012, 01:55 AM
There's obviously the physical measurables. He also is intelligent, comes from a pro style offense, and, although he is still pretty raw, he seems to have improved a lot over a really short amount of time. Obviously, I'm no QB expert, but if we were wanting to see what Moore could do as a full time starter but also hedge our bets, Tannehill would be the ideal QB to draft.

Aren't you a little afraid that he broke his foot recently?

Valandui
01-16-2012, 02:39 AM
Aren't you a little afraid that he broke his foot recently?
Not if we're starting Moore until he's ready.

CallMeDaddy
05-10-2013, 02:47 AM
I know this isn't the most popular opinion on this board but I feel Wilson is the best QB to sit behind Moore for a year or two until he's ready. I feel Tannehill is overrated for the positions I've seen mock drafts pick him in and he just broke his foot. I wouldn't mind Weeden but I don't feel excited have a 28 year old sit behind Moore for a year or two and having a 30 or 31 year old QB coming in for his first starts. I feel Wilson has everything you could as for in a QB besides his height, they guy has mobility and arm strength and would be a great pick in the 3rd round or so.

I'm just gonna go ahead and dust my shoulders off right quick.

DisturbedShifty
05-10-2013, 08:59 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and dust my shoulders off right quick.

I'm confused. Did you bump your own thread to say you were "right" or to say that you were wrong?

Sure Wilson had a good first year. But that is one year. Let's judge this after year three. For all you know Wilson will suffer from a sophomore slump this year.

Remember. Never goto the Library without your shotgun.

uk_dolfan
05-10-2013, 09:09 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and dust my shoulders off right quick.

Put Weeden or Tannehill into that Seattle team and this post may sound very different. Must be tough being a rookie QB in a team that is elite on both offense and defense.

Gonzo
05-10-2013, 09:26 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and dust my shoulders off right quick.

After one season on a team with far more weapons? I like Wilson, but doing this reminds me of when all the Vince Young fans came out during year one, only to completely disappear afterwards. Please note that I'm clearly comparing the situation of bumping your own thread to gloat, not comparing Wilson to Young (sad that I need to explain that, but there will still be somebody that will completely misread it and think I'm comparing the two).

Also, you were dead wrong about Tannehill. If you still see a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you clearly don't have a clue what you're looking at.

ckparrothead
05-10-2013, 10:25 AM
I'm confused. Did you bump your own thread to say you were "right" or to say that you were wrong?

Sure Wilson had a good first year. But that is one year. Let's judge this after year three. For all you know Wilson will suffer from a sophomore slump this year.

Remember. Never goto the Library without your shotgun.

That's the thing about this "I was right" game.

It's relative. Right now I think Russell Wilson not only performed better than Weeden and Tannehill just like the original poster said, but he performed better than Griffin and Luck, in my opinion. The original poster implied that Luck and Griffin were still better than Wilson. So was the original poster right? Or was he wrong?

phintim
05-10-2013, 12:55 PM
That's the thing about this "I was right" game.

It's relative. Right now I think Russell Wilson not only performed better than Weeden and Tannehill just like the original poster said, but he performed better than Griffin and Luck, in my opinion. The original poster implied that Luck and Griffin were still better than Wilson. So was the original poster right? Or was he wrong?

Have you made any predictions on what you expect Weeden to do in year two now that he has had a time to acclimate as well as with the new coaching changes etc.

BlueFin
05-10-2013, 01:12 PM
Hey kudo's for being right about Wilson being a good nfl player, but its way to early judge him better than anybody long term.

I personally think he had a great advantage over most rookie QB's due to the quality of the team around him, if a team is talented enough even a mediocre QB can look good or adequate(See Trent Dilfer and the Baltimore Ravens).

I personally do not like QB's that short in this league and feel they have a sizeable disadvantage.

I would not trade Tannehill for Russell Wilson right now and seriously doubt Russell Wilson would have looked nearly as good had he played on this team last year with its poor set of receivers lacking a scary deep threat.

ckparrothead
05-10-2013, 02:50 PM
Given that (as you can see if you read up in the thread) I was already of the opinion that there's a pretty decent chance Russell Wilson is better than Ryan Tannehill, yes his performance this year means that I absolutely would trade Ryan Tannehill for Russell Wilson straight up, in a heartbeat. It's not the passer rating or anything like that. It's how he performed in clutch situations especially at the end of the year in the playoffs with his team down and needing a spark.

He's going to be a fantastic quarterback. I'm pretty sure of that now. Maybe I'm wrong. But if I am wrong, I will be shocked.

CallMeDaddy
05-10-2013, 03:01 PM
I'm confused. Did you bump your own thread to say you were "right" or to say that you were wrong?

Sure Wilson had a good first year. But that is one year. Let's judge this after year three. For all you know Wilson will suffer from a sophomore slump this year.

Remember. Never goto the Library without your shotgun.

I was talking about it in the vip chat a while back, and I ran into it, and just made a little joke. I wasn't trying to act like I was better than everyone else or anything, was late at night and was bored.

ckparrothead
05-10-2013, 03:06 PM
Have you made any predictions on what you expect Weeden to do in year two now that he has had a time to acclimate as well as with the new coaching changes etc.

Better?

In all honesty they threw Brandon to the wolves last year. They didn't tailor the system to his strengths and weaknesses at all. They didn't try and take pressure off him by running the football. They didn't surround him with reliable pass catching talent. He had to go up against playoff defenses constantly.

I do expect SOME of those negative factors to be alleviated in 2013. For one thing the system that Norv Turner will install will and always has been more suited to his style. Phil Rivers took upwards of 77% of his pass snaps out of the gun last year. Weeden was a shotgun passer in college and had a significantly better passer rating out of the gun as a rookie than dropping back. The Browns' percentage of shotgun plays was 2nd lowest in football in 2012, second only to the Texans. Norv Turner is above all a great play caller, as well. That's something that Weeden had at Oklahoma State with Dana Holgorsen, who is a great play caller above all. Turner is a guy that will definitely rely on a player like Trent Richardson to run the football. The previous staff didn't do that well enough.

On the other hand, with Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati still in the division things don't necessarily get easier schedule-wise. They play New England, Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago. Won't be easy to pass on any of these teams. Nor Miami, or the Jets. All tough pass defenses to have to face.

Also I'm not convinced they've really surrounded him with better talent. You swap out Ben Watson for Kellen Davis, I'm not sure how that's going to benefit your quarterback. Pulling in Davone Bess to help between the hashes is actually going to help stabilize that unit, though. They have big play potential with Josh Gordon, and I think Jordan Cameron has potential in Norv's system. The offensive line especially has a chance to be real good. And if that means Trent Richardson ends up running wild then that could be enough.

FearTheBeard
05-10-2013, 03:07 PM
I'm not a huge Weeden fan, but Russell Wilson is someone who MIGHT become a decent backup Quarterback. The guy is 5"11 on a good day. Name one starting QB in the NFL at that height....... Still Waiting

Russell Wilson.

CallMeDaddy
05-10-2013, 03:07 PM
After one season on a team with far more weapons? I like Wilson, but doing this reminds me of when all the Vince Young fans came out during year one, only to completely disappear afterwards. Please note that I'm clearly comparing the situation of bumping your own thread to gloat, not comparing Wilson to Young (sad that I need to explain that, but there will still be somebody that will completely misread it and think I'm comparing the two).

Also, you were dead wrong about Tannehill. If you still see a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you clearly don't have a clue what you're looking at.

Didn't mean to act like I was gloating, it was just something I ran into and was talking about it in the vip chat. Also, I needed my WPA a little higher. :chuckle:

And when I first heard about tannehill, I was more against him because I'm a Mizzou fan and really only looked at him in a negative way, after a few months looking at him I was excited on draft day when we drafted him.

finsfanjay13
05-10-2013, 06:07 PM
Russell Wilson.

Wow. How the hell did only one person thank you for this one (I'm handing one to you myself)? This was solid.

Digital
05-10-2013, 11:02 PM
Russell Wilson is a good QB, for sure. But, I think the Cam Newton fans were calling him things like "the best ever" and "once in a lifetime" and many other over-the-top hyperbole statements. Truth is, Cam had a good 2nd year, but it wasn't as good as his first, and he was overshadowed by the new media darlings. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to some of this past year's class too.

But, when you look at it, Tannehill came in with huge concerns about experience, staring down receivers, inconsistent accuracy, and poor decision making. He also came in having improved dramatically during his less than 2 years as a starting collegiate QB. His rookie season, he improved tremendously again, fixing his accuracy and almost never making the same mistake twice. He threw for more yards than Dan Marino did as a rookie ... and more yards than RGIII ... and more yards than Russell Wilson ... and 1 yard shy of Cam Newton's most yards ever by a rookie QB in a game (later eclipsed by 1 yard by Luck who was proclaimed the fantastic). When Tannehill threw for 1 yard less than the most ever thrown by a rookie QB (now 2 yards less), he wasn't even player of the week, or rookie of the week, or even runner-up rookie of the week, or rookie QB of the week, or runner up rookie QB of the week. Kinda feel like he might have slipped under the media's radar? I sure do.

Oh yeah, and our running game is nothing like Seattle's or Washington's. So, comparing him to those teams is kinda like comparing high school to college ... not really a fair comparison. If you want to compare him to Indy, so be it. We had less weapons than Indy, but had a better OL than Indy. So, to say that the inexperienced Tannehill wasn't quite as good as arguably the best QB prospect in the last 20+ years isn't such a bad thing.

This year Tannehill gets Wallace and Wilson gets Harvin, two really explosive WR's. Seattle still has the better running game. Seattle's defense produces significantly more turnovers and scoring opportunities for Wilson. So, Wilson should be better this year too. But, Tannehill improves every year, and he has all the tools, and he has the mind and work ethic to keep improving, and he has the accuracy. When he gets the experience to improve his decision making, I think Tannehill will prove the better QB. And, that's no slight to Russell Wilson, who will be a very good QB in his own right.

Digital
05-10-2013, 11:06 PM
If you're interested in how mobile QB's impact the game, check out the thread linked in my signature.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?338963-Defending-the-Read-Option

massimo998
05-11-2013, 05:13 PM
I have a feeling everyone in seattle are drinking the koolaid and wilson will have a disapointing season

where's th'fish
05-11-2013, 10:01 PM
That's hilarious. I didn't know doubting Russell Wilson was a thing. When a kid comes straight out of college, as a 3rd rounder no less, and puts the kind of performance Russell did last year at the game's most difficult position, you don't doubt. There are no sure things in life, but the day Russell Wilson arrives in this league is already in the past. So he was in a great team. How did that work out for Trent Dilfer? Just fine, but no one ever mistook him for a good QB.

So if this guy called it, give him his due. Not many saw what he did in Wilson.