View Full Version : Tuesday Senior Bowl recap- South squad

01-25-2012, 02:39 PM
• Oklahoma St. QB Brandon Weeden (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/QB/Brandon-Weeden.php) was very impressive and by far best quarterback on the team. Weeden showed nice intermediate zip on the ball and was terrific outside the hash marks, hitting out and timing routes with velocity while showing off an impressive arc on deep passes. The guy was simply on the money. Weeden required some coaching on footwork and taking shorter strides from under center but seemed to take it well. Very good outside the hash marks too, hitting out routes and timing routes with a ton of velocity. Impressive arc on the ball in deep passes.

• Arizona QB Nick Foles (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/QB/Nick-Foles.php) couldn’t throw deep and balls were going out of bounds around the sideline by fifteen yards. Foles tended to float the ball and didn't always throw a clean spiral. On the positive side Foles flashed polished technique and a good release, but pump faked a lot which threw off his timing and accuracy. Foles didn’t look like a guy who would be a starting signal caller at the next level today.

• Arkansas WR Joe Adams (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/WR/Joe-Adams.php) was very impressive today, proving to be quick in and out of his breaks and only being stopped when jammed at the line. On way particular play Adams had a nice catch on a short crossing pattern and didn’t lose much speed afterwards. Adams appears to be a prototypical slot option.

• Arizona WR Juron Criner (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/WR/Juron-Criner.php) had a great day. Criner catches the ball in front of him and rarely uses his body. Criner was a bit slow off of the snap, takes a while to accelerate and dropped one poorly thrown pass from Lindley that went off of his fingertips. However, most of the day was Criner getting physical with corners and separated better than expected, pulling away and reeling in a number of tough catches. Criner was also pretty crisp as a route runner.

• Louisiana-Lafayette TE Ladarius Green (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/TE/Ladarius-Green.php) was very solid and is a smooth hands catcher. Even though Green leaves much to be desired as a blocker and got handled in coverage by Markelle Martin it’s difficult to not be intrigued by this rangy athlete when you see him on the field. Green also attacks the ball in the air and is aggressive in going after it. Green can be a dangerous weapon in the red zone as well.

• L.S.U. TE DeAngelo Peterson (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/TE/Deangelo-Peterson.php) looked really fluid for a tight end. Peterson also showcased soft hands, catching one nice pass in particular from Weeden in traffic during 7-on-7’s and finding holes in zones. Peterson isn’t much of a blocker and didn’t appear to be overly dynamic, but has some ability.

• Florida St. OT Zebrie Sanders (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OT/Zebrie-Sanders.php) wasn’t dominant and probably lost about as many battles as he won. However, it’s important to remember that Sanders was facing off against guys like Quinton Coples, Courtney Upshaw and Melvin Ingram, who could all be off the board before the second half of round one. The most impressive thing about Sanders today was hot physical he played, showing a real nasty streak that you don’t always see from athletic blockers. If anyone ever accuses Sanders of being a finesse player they should be referred to today’s practice film.

• After today it is difficult to imagine Cordy Glenn (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OG/Cordy-Glenn.php) of Georgia playing left tackle at the next level. Glenn just couldn’t seem to move his feet well enough laterally and struggled to stay in front of dynamic pass rushers. However, Glenn can be an elite right tackle or guard. In 11-on-11’s Glenn got a great push versus Kheeston Randall.

• Illinois OT Jeff Allen (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OT/Jeff-Allen.php) got the best of Courtney Upshaw in the 11-on-11’s but that was a rare bright spot. Overall Allen did not look particularly good, struggling in pass protection and not getting much push in the run game. Allen is a ‘tweener who may not be athletic enough for the left side or physical enough for the right side.

• Baylor C Philip Blake (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/C/Phillip-Blake.php) isn’t flashy but was able to get the job done for the most part, although he was often matched up against the lower rated defensive tackles.

• U.A.B. OT Matt McCants (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OT/Matt-McCants.php) is a very imposing figure on the field but the results weren’t always as impressive, with the Rattler blocker up and down all day. With that said McCants did have some very bright moments, showing great feet to protect the edge against Courtney Upshaw in 1-on-1’s and Melvin Ingram in the 11-on-11’s.

• While most consider Alabama's Courtney Upshaw (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/LB/Courtney-Upshaw.php) to be a linebacker he actually worked with the defensive lineman all day long. Upshaw was able to beat the likes of Matt McCants and James Brown but basically battled to a draw against more highly-rated blockers such as Zebrie Sanders.

• Melvin Ingram (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DE/Melvin-Ingram.php) of South Carolina is an extremely crafty pass rusher. At one point in the 11-on-11’s Ingram beat his man three consecutive times and utilized a different move / counter (swim, power, speed) on each. Ingram also flew by Jeff Allen in 1-on-1 drills. Ingram wasn't flashy, but he was certainly very effective.

• North Carolina DE Quinton Coples (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DE/Quinton-Coples.php) isn’t particularly dynamic but still impressive and it was clear the Tar Heel star was one of the most talented players on a stacked squad. It was a joy to watch Coples go head-to-head against Zebrie Sanders, with each winning and losing their fair share of the matchups. Coples also beat Jeff Allen a couple of times in both 1-on-1’s and 11-on-11’s and even showed some ability to run the arc against Matt McCants.

• Clemson DT Brandon Thompson and Florida DT Jaye Howard will likely be haunting the dreams of Will Blackwell (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OG/Will-Blackwell.php) for the foreseeable future. Blackwell was simply overmatched on the field today and it’s still unclear how or why he got an invite. Credit Thompson and Howard for beating the guy like a drum all day long though. Texas A&M DT Tony Jerod-Eddie got the best of Blackwell too. Howard also beat Cordy Glenn on one rep with a really nice inside move while Thompson was effective against William Vlachos.

• It’s hard to believe the Senior Bowl has ever had a group of faster, more athletic linebackers. Zach Brown (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OLB/Zach-Brown.php) of North Carolina looked every bit the part of a first round pick in drills while Sean Spence (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OLB/Sean-Spence.php) of Miami (FL), Nigel Bradham (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OLB/Nigel-Bradham.php) of Florida St. and Keenan Robinson of Texas also looked extremely fluid. To call this group impressive would be an understatement.

• Jake Bequette (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DE/Jake-Bequette.php) of Arkansas looked much more comfortable today after struggling on Monday. Bequette, who is making the transition to linebacker this week, was still a bit deliberate with his footwork but held his own at the new position.

• North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/CB/Janoris-Jenkins.php) showcased exciting athleticism and tried to make plays where he could. During the drills Jenkins leapt for a high pass but it went off of his fingers. Jenkins looked smooth in his backpedal and flipped his hips well but struggled to match up to the physicality of bigger wideouts. Jenkins went up against Chris Rainey a few times and was beat deep on one of the most memorably plays of the day.

• Georgia CB Brandon Boykin (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/CB/Brandon-Boykin.php) dropped a ball in pass catching drills but showed no fear, going toe-to-toe with Jeff Fuller and making the Aggie star work for the catch. Boykin may always be limited due to his less than ideal size, but he is very smooth and is able to turn and run with just about anyone. In fact, Boykin flashed borderline elite make-up speed.

• Oklahoma St. S Markelle Martin (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/S/Markelle-Martin.php) was outstanding. Martin looked fluid in drills and in the 1-on-1’s read Ladarius Green like a book before getting in front of him to break up a pass. Martin’s footwork drills were by far the best of any defensive back in this group. In the 11-on-11’s Martin seemed to have a real good feel for the game and was more than willing to help in run support.

The Washington Redskins did an excellent coaching job, maximizing the number of one-on-one reps and putting the players in good situations to be properly evaluated. It usually takes a couple of practices to get a good feel for all of the prospects but there were a number of awfully impressive performances from the South squad today. The question is will those who stood out be able to maintain that momentum and will those who had some issues be able to turn things around? Only time will tell, but as always this South team is undeniably loaded with talent.

note: The Redskins are concern #1 for me as per Brandon Weeden. Them coaching there will not help matters at all for the Dolphins.


01-25-2012, 04:21 PM
Just off what I saw in the NFL Network footage,

1. Obviously Weeden looked very good. In particular right away he rolls out to the left an unleashes a rifle shot on the move into a super tight space to Juron Criner, and this is the kind of pass that shows scouts that all this talk about "getting Weeden to move his feet" is laden with lots of horse manure. There was another player where he absolutely got sacked as two defensive ends ran in untouched off the play-action to where they were wrapping Brandon up by the time he turned around off the fake, but Weeden finished the play. I liked that. It shows a little bit of your mentality. He was obviously sacked but he kept looking down field, saw Patrick Edward squirt behind the secondary, and unleashed a nice cannon shot ball to him that went just off Edwards' finger tips. I liked the decision to finish the play (unselfish, gave Edwards a chance to make an impressive catch), and I liked that he didn't purposely underthrow the ball to make sure it could be caught. He laid that ball out there because in a real game situation Edwards might not be that open and you'll have to lay out an impressive ball to complete the pass and make the biggest play possible (long TD).

2. Quinton Coples is 6'6" and 281 lbs but has the feet and toes of a dancer. Just watch him flow through drills, super smooth. I'm not buying the first step stuff. He's so lengthy he often looks like he's not covering much ground on those first steps and when he's bending the arc, but he absolutely is. You pull your eyes out a little and gain perspective on where he is and how fast, he's definitely getting off the ball. But what keeps intriguing me is his ability against the RUN. The NFL is absolutely in love with zone plays, stretch runs, etc. What used to be a zone blocking system, is now just zone blocking, and everyone does it. They don't incorporate it, which I believe is a mistake generally speaking, but that doesn't matter, just saying everyone runs the stuff and it's becoming ultra popular. I love what Quinton Coples can do on the play side against a stretch play. He can knock the offensive tackle so far back that it really screws up the integrity and flow of the play. And if the ball comes through Coples' gap, swallowed. Just in the broadcast portions of yesterday's 11 on 11's, you could see Coples doing this. Then you add on the fact that with his physical ability he can beat you at any point in the pass rush, not just off the initial move...you've got a special player.

3. Melvin Ingram and Courtney Upshaw showed so much polish and burst in their pass rush during the pit segment, that was impressive. Most guys got to the quarterback, but Ingram and Upshaw got there the quickest and cleanest. Even quicker and cleaner than Quinton Coples. I love both players, but Courtney Upshaw is the rabid wolverine that I'd want on my team more. That's just my opinion. I think they're both good players.

4. Juron Criner has had some injury issues and I wish he'd have done better this year, but I don't care...he's going to be a decent receiver at the next level. Brandon Weeden is a pro quarterback and there's a reason Weeden has started to steer his passes toward Criner, finding natural chemistry with him.

5. I stand by what I said a year ago...Greg Childs is overrated and Joe Adams is the best WR on the Razorbacks. I also said a year ago that Jeff Fuller is overrated. His senior bowl is showing that.

6. If Chris Rainey is not playing wide receiver, I have zero interest in him. If he's playing wide receiver, you've got my attention. Did you see the deep route he put on a fast Janoris Jenkins, blowing his coverage wide open? That wasn't necessarily a nifty head fake, although that helped. It was GEARING. Pure gearing. You just can't coach something like that, and it's not straight line speed. But I've heard he's a headache player and so you never want to spend more than a 6th or 7th on him. Even so...I'd do it.

7. Dwight Bentley is definitely picking up right where he left off in that UL-Lafayette bowl game against SDSU. So is Ladarius Green. Green can run, love his hand use in routes, love how he catches the ball. Love how physical Bentley is. Seriously, go re-watch SDSU-ULL if you want to see a couple of good NFL players in Bentley, Green and in my opinion, Larry Parker.

8. If you'd never seen either player play football and were just watching yesterday's NFL Network coverage, you'd draft Phil Blake over Cordy Glenn, and James Brown over Zebrie Sanders. Just saying. Two guys you see play in Senior Bowl practices, and immediately scramble to watch more film of from the season.

9. Another guy that seriously stood out yesterday was Jaye Howard. Extremely quick off the ball, shoots his hands up very quickly.

10. Vick Ballard can still play for me.

01-25-2012, 04:24 PM
I don't care how good Weeden looks, drafting him is getting half a player. I'd rather go with Moore and Henne.

01-25-2012, 04:40 PM
Zone blocking is another concept that's been prevelant in college football for years that the NFL has finally started implementing as more of a base concept. I've sat through over 5 hours of coaching clinic tape where Alex Gibbs is teaching his zone blocking scheme to Steve Addazzio, Urban Meyer, and Dan Mullen.

If you really want to learn football, grab a notebook and pay attention....


01-25-2012, 04:53 PM
I don't care how good Weeden looks, drafting him is getting half a player. I'd rather go with Moore and Henne.

I would hands down rather draft Weeden in the 2nd rd and roll with him and Moore, may the best man win. The idea of throwing money at one game wonder Matt Flynn- did I read correclty that he'll be asking fro $50 million?- makes me a little nauseus. Look for the Jets and Rex Ryan- who doen't like to muck around and waste time when he nedds something to improve his team- to make a play for weeden or at least have him seriously on their radar. If Sanchez isn't the asnwer, Ryan won't waste any time finding his replacement.

01-25-2012, 05:09 PM
Here's the scenarios.....M.Flynn through FA or B.Weeden in the 2nd round >>>>> What do you think would be a smarter move?

Signing M.Flynn allows you to go Q.Coples and C.Fleener

Drafting Weeden leaves more room for another FA and Q.Coples

Plug in any 1st round choice you want, but which one would put us further ahead.