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SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2012, 12:06 PM
I'm a huge Peyton Manning fan, but I honestly don't think he will play again. Still not sure if Matt Flynn is Plan B for Miami. I would have thought he would be plan A, which begs the question what does Joe Philibin think of Flynn? That's still a possibility, but it could be the Dolphins look to the draft to find their qb of the future. Obviously Ryan Tannehill played for Sherman in a pro-style offense, but who else out there do you guys think would be a good fit for the West Coast offense?

jim1
01-31-2012, 12:20 PM
I'm a huge Peyton Manning fan, but I honestly don't think he will play again. Still not sure if Matt Flynn is Plan B for Miami. I would have thought he would be plan A, which begs the question what does Joe Philibin think of Flynn? That's still a possibility, but it could be the Dolphins look to the draft to find their qb of the future. Obviously Ryan Tannehill played for Sherman in a pro-style offense, but who else out there do you guys think would be a good fit for the West Coast offense?

I think that Brandon Marshall would be very happy to have Brandon Weeden throwing him the ball. Good deep thrower and an excellent short and especially mid range thrower, one of the best I've seen.

j-off-her-doll
01-31-2012, 12:23 PM
At this point, I'd much prefer Tannehill to Weeden. Weeden is the better QB now, but with the coaches we have in place and the understanding that we're building something, I'm willing to bet on Tannehill's upside. And his upside is the best of any QB in the draft - far as I can see.

datruth55
01-31-2012, 12:53 PM
If we don't go after Flynn then it's probably Philbin thinking Flynn isn't a long term answer. If we don't go after Tannehill then most likely Sherman doesn't feel he's the answer at the NFL level. We have the inside track for both.

IMO the fact that we're going after Manning has more to do with Ross wanting a franchise QB and a big name as the face of the franchise more than any opinion Ireland, Philbin or Sherman may have. Clearly if Manning can't play then it's on to the next QB. I also believe that the Dolphins organization being so quiet about Flynn may be to cast doubt on his abilities for other franchises just in case he does become the target. When free agency opens we'll know for sure especially if Flynn is the first call we make.

datruth55
01-31-2012, 01:13 PM
Another thing to remember about Tannehill is that his foot injury was classified as "significant". Don't exactly know what that means but if it's plantar fasciitis you have to wonder how hard it will be for him to drop back and plant his foot and then throw...how likely it is for the problem to reoccur and will it be a chronic issue.

We'll probably know more once he gets to the combine and they've had the doctors go over him with a fine tooth comb. I'm sure his foot, along with Weeden's shoulder, will get an extreme examination.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2012, 01:18 PM
If we don't go after Flynn then it's probably Philbin thinking Flynn isn't a long term answer. If we don't go after Tannehill then most likely Sherman doesn't feel he's the answer at the NFL level. We have the inside track for both.

IMO the fact that we're going after Manning has more to do with Ross wanting a franchise QB and a big name as the face of the franchise more than any opinion Ireland, Philbin or Sherman may have. Clearly if Manning can't play then it's on to the next QB. I also believe that the Dolphins organization being so quiet about Flynn may be to cast doubt on his abilities for other franchises just in case he does become the target. When free agency opens we'll know for sure especially if Flynn is the first call we make.Good point regarding Flynn.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2012, 01:20 PM
At this point, I'd much prefer Tannehill to Weeden. Weeden is the better QB now, but with the coaches we have in place and the understanding that we're building something, I'm willing to bet on Tannehill's upside. And his upside is the best of any QB in the draft - far as I can see.I also think he has tremendous upside maybe third behind Luck and Griffin III in that regard.

j-off-her-doll
01-31-2012, 02:26 PM
I also think he has tremendous upside maybe third behind Luck and Griffin III in that regard.

If we're talking about physical talent, he has more upside than either. Stronger arm than either, better combination of mobility and size than either. He's also shown that he's a quick study.

He's not a better prospect than Luck - obviously. But he's a better physical talent. And I'd say that he is a better prospect than RG3.

NorFlaFin
01-31-2012, 02:35 PM
WCO QB have a short compact release and accurate ball placement. Having a big arm isn't necessary running the WCO; having enough arm strength with superb timing can get the job done see Joe Montana.

I do NOT see that in Matt Flynn, I see a guy who knows the system and is willing to trust the system. A perfect backup, IMO.

Who the draft fits? Closest is Brandon Weeden but hes a fossil.:rolleyes2:

Mudder1310
01-31-2012, 04:29 PM
The QB closest to WCO ready is Kellen Moore, but he lacks overall arm strength even with superior accuracy. You end up with a Colt McCoy at best.

luduporcu
01-31-2012, 10:07 PM
WCO QB have a short compact release and accurate ball placement. Having a big arm isn't necessary running the WCO; having enough arm strength with superb timing can get the job done see Joe Montana.

I do NOT see that in Matt Flynn, I see a guy who knows the system and is willing to trust the system. A perfect backup, IMO.

Who the draft fits? Closest is Brandon Weeden but hes a fossil.:rolleyes2:

As to WEEDEN's age issue, let's play "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood":

---"Can you say 'ROGER STAUBACK'?...I KNEW you could".

---"Can you say 'WARREN MOON'?...I KNEW you could".

Get the point?

Mudder1310
01-31-2012, 10:46 PM
As to WEEDEN's age issue, let's play "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood":

---"Can you say 'ROGER STAUBACK'?...I KNEW you could".

---"Can you say 'WARREN MOON'?...I KNEW you could".

Get the point?
These are not simple comparisons, nor apt ones. Moon was older entering thr NFL because he was playing pro football. Staubach went to Vietnam, then played on several service teams to help prepare for the NFL. As it is his career was just 10 years, and it took 3 years for him to have a season worth a crap.

Staubach may be the best example of a late entry qb and the Cowboys got half a career from him.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2012, 11:02 PM
These are not simple comparisons, nor apt ones. Moon was older entering thr NFL because he was playing pro football. Staubach went to Vietnam, then played on several service teams to help prepare for the NFL. As it is his career was just 10 years, and it took 3 years for him to have a season worth a crap.

Staubach may be the best example of a late entry qb and the Cowboys got half a career from him.Half of a career for perhaps the best qb of the 1970's. I'm sure any team would love that out of Weeden.

X-Pacolypse
02-03-2012, 01:39 PM
Tannehill played in the WCO at Texas A&M under Mike Sherman. I would say he fits best.

LANGER72
02-05-2012, 02:53 AM
Osweiler is an interesting prospect. Quick over the top release, reads defenses well, strong arm - good touch, played the spread in college. His draw back (by some) is his height at 6'7"240. I don't see that as a problem. Cam Newton is 6'6".
He could be had in rounds 2-4. He needs some work, but his upside is greater than Devlin. He would not solve our QB problem this year, but for the price, he might be a diamond in the rough.

Ideally, I would like to see Manning or Flynn, Moore, Osweiler.

I am afraid we will see Moore/Henne/Devlin

I think Weeden will be drafted before the #8/9 pick out of QB desparation, and we end up passing on Tannehill because he will be a reach at #8/9. He will get drafted before we select again in round 2.

WelcomeBack
02-05-2012, 03:28 AM
G.J. Kinne would be nice.

utahphinsfan
02-05-2012, 02:37 PM
Tannehill is the obvious choice as others have stated. Weeden is the most probable to start as #2 on the depth chart then do what Ponder did last last yr.

Further, Foles or Relf (Mississippi St) as the 3rd stringer/developmental QB is IMO better than Devlin.