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Fin_Frenzy_84
02-04-2012, 07:46 PM
I was doing some research on him and he is a big body who put up some big numbers for Iowa. He holds Iowa all time receiving touchdown record. This year he had 12 touchdowns and over 1300 yards. He is projected to go around the 4th or 5th and I see Miami possibly drafting him since we got iowas offensive coordinator for our WR coach.

Do you guys like him and do you think we will grab him?

jonanthans
02-04-2012, 11:17 PM
You may be on to something there. 6'4", 215 and good hands. Miami gains a lot of insight on McNutt with Ken O'Keefe on board and could be a value pick in the 3rd or 4th round.

datruth55
02-04-2012, 11:47 PM
If we go WR I would prefer a deep threat. McNutt doesn't really compliment Marshall.

beanh8er
02-05-2012, 12:47 AM
I love McNutt. He's the official "Beanh8er's amazing bang for your buck WR prospect who will get drafted later than he should, but put up good numbers his rookie season." **** I wish we would've drafted Denarius Moore. Guy put up 33 Rec for 600+ yards his rookie season.

hooshoops
02-05-2012, 11:06 AM
does nothing for me...

jim1
02-05-2012, 11:32 AM
If we go WR I would prefer a deep threat. McNutt doesn't really compliment Marshall.

Exactly. Mcnutt is an interesting prospect, big guy- but is he any better than the similar sized Roberto Wallace? Go for the deep threat, I cast my vote for Joe Adams.

TedSlimmJr
02-09-2012, 01:09 AM
He's very similar to Patrick Turner, who I had a late round grade on.

McNutt might make a decent possession receiver as a 4th option or so. He just doesn't create seperation in his routes, especially against top DB's.

He couldn't create any seperation against Jamell Fleming, he was in his hip pocket and running the routes for him all game... including an interception. At one point in the 4th quarter, McNutt had been thrown at 12 times and only had 2 receptions for 26 yards.

Another issue is that he fights his hands sometimes and drops passes. That's not an ideal knock you want in a possession receiver who can't create seperation.

hooshoops
02-09-2012, 09:10 AM
yep...he doesn't get any separation...it was obvious in the iowa bowl game and obvious the entire senior bowl week...pass

2413fanphins
02-09-2012, 03:15 PM
Ya much rather have guys like ted gin and clyde gates. 'Nt.

Ive seen mcnutt catch enough game winning tds to know id take him. 5th round.....take him everytime over some fat out of shape lineman or speedstef who wont even sniff playing time.

TedSlimmJr
02-09-2012, 04:27 PM
Ya much rather have guys like ted gin and clyde gates. 'Nt.

Ive seen mcnutt catch enough game winning tds to know id take him. 5th round.....take him everytime over some fat out of shape lineman or speedstef who wont even sniff playing time.


Apparently he didn't catch enough of 'em since Iowa went 7-6.

9 of his 12 TD grabs came against Tennessee Tech, Louisiana-Monroe, Indiana, and Purdue. He was shut out of the endzone by Leonard Johnson, Jamell Fleming, Antwuan Reed, Chaz Powell, Troy Woolfolk, and Alfonzo Dennard. All NFL prospects, and mostly not very good one's.

He's worth a late round flier, but I wouldn't expect much in the short term or long term.


I'd be interested to hear more about how much of Lamar Miller you've seen in order to come to the conclusion that he's better than Trent Richardson. Was it all his fumbles against Florida St. that impressed you? His tentative running in between the tackles? His durability issues? His stellar pass protection and blitz pick up in the passing game?

2413fanphins
02-09-2012, 05:31 PM
No point in arguing with a finheaven expert whos evidently never missed on an nfl prospect is there? Its just my opinion bro. Hawks defense and vandenberg can be blamed for the majority of the hawks problems. Norm parker, micah hyde, etc had more to do with that record than mcnutt, but you alreaxy knew that didnt you.

2413fanphins
02-09-2012, 07:30 PM
in all honesty I have no clue who is gonna be the better prospect. I think lamar miller is explosive much like trich. I think being a redshirt sophmore, miller obviously has to improve from blitz pickup and blocking. I don't suspect that you think that many sophmores are fully developed in that aspect of their game anyway. I think if miller had stayed another year he would have put up similar numbers to what trent did this year. Trent obviously had more td's but 3 against both kent state, and north texas and 4 against ole miss is half his production from a td standpoint, since we pointed out that mcnutts production came against ****ty teams. He had roughly 60 more carries than lamar and I think if you ante up 60 more carries to lamar you have a very similar output statistically speaking. Factor in the major difference in the stable alabama program and the anything but stable miami program I think the only difference we are talking about is another year of technique and metal reps in the blocking game. Maybe a little better body of work as a pass catcher out of the backfield wouldn't hurt either. I believe lamar did cough it up twice against twice against FSU, and jacory threw a pic for three turnovers. I can't roast a guy for fumbling twice... I dont think it's a habit and I can point to adrian peterson as a fumble artist who seems to be doing okay. james also has two rush tds for a yard a piece. SO I'm not sure what we are arguing about. Besides, this was a mcnutt thread and now we aren't talking about mcnutt.
It's just my preference of miller over trent. Trent will probably do better right away, but I'm not sure he has the better career. I've been wrong more than I've been right though, that's why I run a motorgrader and don't scout for an nfl team!

ChrisHanson
02-10-2012, 11:39 AM
Being a U of Iowa alum I've seen Mcnutt play live many times. The guy will be a good WR in the NFL. He's smart, big, and has good hands. He doesn't have elite speed, but he can catch the ball and get open mainly because of his great route running and size.

4th round would be the earliest I'd draft him.

finfan54
02-11-2012, 05:54 PM
I was all for brian quick two weeks ago from appalaichin st. Apparently he is Megatron without the ability to catch the ball away from his chest. coaches and scouts are looking at coaching him up and making him the next biggest sleeper to come from small school nobodyland. Now projected alot in 2nd round.

TedSlimmJr
02-12-2012, 09:16 AM
in all honesty I have no clue who is gonna be the better prospect. I think lamar miller is explosive much like trich. I think being a redshirt sophmore, miller obviously has to improve from blitz pickup and blocking. I don't suspect that you think that many sophmores are fully developed in that aspect of their game anyway. I think if miller had stayed another year he would have put up similar numbers to what trent did this year. Trent obviously had more td's but 3 against both kent state, and north texas and 4 against ole miss is half his production from a td standpoint, since we pointed out that mcnutts production came against ****ty teams. He had roughly 60 more carries than lamar and I think if you ante up 60 more carries to lamar you have a very similar output statistically speaking. Factor in the major difference in the stable alabama program and the anything but stable miami program I think the only difference we are talking about is another year of technique and metal reps in the blocking game. Maybe a little better body of work as a pass catcher out of the backfield wouldn't hurt either. I believe lamar did cough it up twice against twice against FSU, and jacory threw a pic for three turnovers. I can't roast a guy for fumbling twice... I dont think it's a habit and I can point to adrian peterson as a fumble artist who seems to be doing okay. james also has two rush tds for a yard a piece. SO I'm not sure what we are arguing about. Besides, this was a mcnutt thread and now we aren't talking about mcnutt.
It's just my preference of miller over trent. Trent will probably do better right away, but I'm not sure he has the better career. I've been wrong more than I've been right though, that's why I run a motorgrader and don't scout for an nfl team!


You're certainly entitled to have any opinion you like. I'm not "arguing" with you, I asked you a question. I figured you might have something substantial to back up your assessment. That's typically what we try to do here in the draft forum regarding prospects. You can prefer a one-legged rodeo clown over Trent Richardson as far as I'm concerned.

However, I think it may be helpful to you if you understand that Trent Richardson and Marvin McNutt are two completely different caliber of football players and athletes. You're correlation to their production makes little sense to me. It's almost as if you've never watched Trent Richardson play. It wasn't really my intent to even make Trent Richardson and Lamar Miller a 2-man battle for the top RB prospect, that's what you're trying to do. I don't think Miller is as good as Doug Martin or David Wilson either. If you'd like to make a comparison or have a debate there, it's might actually be one worth having.

Furthermore, Trent Richardson isn't a better back because of his rushing yardage or TD's. It's a lot more to it than that. Hell, Bobby Rainey has more rushing yards than Richardson but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect.

Lastly, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about in regards to Kent St. Other than LSU, Kent St. was the best run defense Bama played all season. Kent St. has a better scoring defense than 7 teams in the ACC, and had the 33rd ranked run defense in the entire country....which is also better than all ACC teams except for 3. Kent St. was 21st in TOTAL defense, which is better than every team in the ACC except for 2. Kent St. was 21st in 1st downs allowed... also better than every team in the ACC except for 3.

Kent St. had a 335 pound, run stuffing immovable rock by the name of Ishmaa'ily Kitchen, who's one of the more underrated DT's in this draft... and he played lights out against Bama's offense in week 1.

They also have a sophomore DE by the name of Roosevelt Nix who's one of the best sophomore NFL defensive line prospects in the entire country. You'll be hearing about all the talking heads hyping him up soon enough. As in next year when he's draft eligible. Trent only played 2 quarters against Kent St. anyway (the 1st and 3rd quarters).

2413fanphins
02-12-2012, 12:01 PM
How do you suppose kent states team statistics would fare with the rest of the nation if they played sec competition every week? It's one thing to have 21st best total defense in the league and another to have such a defense against competition like akron, central michigan, bowling green, miami, and ohio.

you get on here and you just seem to rant. Insinuting that I dont understand marvin mcnutt and trent richardson are two completely different prospects and ahtletes. Again insinuating that I think it's a two man race between trich and miller time for the top rb prospect, when I clearly stated in sentence one of a post that I had no idea who is gonna be the better prospect. Insinuating for third time, that I know nothing about kent state. In the very game you gush about kent states defense, it's fine that they held bama to 2-10 on third down, but you probably also remember that bama was 6-6 in the redzone for the game. two of the three td's in the first quarter, which as you noted trent richardson played, he rushed for touchdowns. Again in the third quarter, trent ran for a td, and bama rushed for another. So, perhaps if trent had played all four quarters we'd be having an entirely different discussion, and if kent state played sec or similar competition all year long, an even different conversation, because as far the 21st total ranked defense goes agaisnt sec competition they gave up an average of 48 points last year.

TedSlimmJr
02-12-2012, 12:51 PM
How do you suppose kent states team statistics would fare with the rest of the nation if they played sec competition every week? It's one thing to have 21st best total defense in the league and another to have such a defense against competition like akron, central michigan, bowling green, miami, and ohio.

you get on here and you just seem to rant. Insinuting that I dont understand marvin mcnutt and trent richardson are two completely different prospects and ahtletes. Again insinuating that I think it's a two man race between trich and miller time for the top rb prospect, when I clearly stated in sentence one of a post that I had no idea who is gonna be the better prospect. Insinuating for third time, that I know nothing about kent state. In the very game you gush about kent states defense, it's fine that they held bama to 2-10 on third down, but you probably also remember that bama was 6-6 in the redzone for the game. two of the three td's in the first quarter, which as you noted trent richardson played, he rushed for touchdowns. Again in the third quarter, trent ran for a td, and bama rushed for another. So, perhaps if trent had played all four quarters we'd be having an entirely different discussion, and if kent state played sec or similar competition all year long, an even different conversation, because as far the 21st total ranked defense goes agaisnt sec competition they gave up an average of 48 points last year.


None of this is relevant. It boils down to this right here... did you watch Alabama play Kent St.? It's a yes or no answer.

If you didn't then there's no point in having the discussion. I was at the game and I know how tough Kent St.'s defense played considering they were going up against the best team in the country. I also have about 200 videos of all these college games that I review constantly to evaluate these prospects. Kent St. wouldn't come out smelling as rosy if they had to play SEC competition every week, but neither would anybody else.

Kent St. doesn't have the DEPTH to compete at that level on a weekly basis. But their starting defense played Bama tougher at the line of scrimmage than anybody else did all season long, including any SEC opponent. Screw the stats, I'm talking strictly from the standpoint of maintaining leverage and squeezing gaps.

Bama is the only team that even managed to rush for more than 5 YPC against Kent St.'s defense as a team. In fact, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier against them. They can flat out play stout run defense, and they're well coached. It would've been even better if Ishmaa'ily Kitchen hadn't missed significant time due to injury. He played outstanding against Alabama's interior soaking up the double teams and Roosevelt Nix looked like the best player on the field for either team outside of Trent Richardson.

Kent St. only gave up less than 16 more points than what Bama averaged against SEC competition anyway (32.4) They did it without SEC talent and depth. I don't think it's any question that Trent Richardson would've had a monster day had he played the entire game, just like he did against SEC defenses every week. But that doesn't make Kent St.'s defensive effort on that day, or throughout the rest of the season any less impressive. That defense is an underrated unit.

2413fanphins
02-12-2012, 02:17 PM
None of this is relevant. It boils down to this right here... did you watch Alabama play Kent St.? It's a yes or no answer.

If you didn't then there's no point in having the discussion. I was at the game and I know how tough Kent St.'s defense played considering they were going up against the best team in the country. I also have about 200 videos of all these college games that I review constantly to evaluate these prospects. Kent St. wouldn't come out smelling as rosy if they had to play SEC competition every week, but neither would anybody else.

Kent St. doesn't have the DEPTH to compete at that level on a weekly basis. But their starting defense played Bama tougher at the line of scrimmage than anybody else did all season long, including any SEC opponent. Screw the stats, I'm talking strictly from the standpoint of maintaining leverage and squeezing gaps.

Bama is the only team that even managed to rush for more than 5 YPC against Kent St.'s defense as a team. In fact, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier against them. They can flat out play stout run defense, and they're well coached. It would've been even better if Ishmaa'ily Kitchen hadn't missed significant time due to injury. He played outstanding against Alabama's interior soaking up the double teams and Roosevelt Nix looked like the best player on the field for either team outside of Trent Richardson.

Kent St. only gave up less than 16 more points than what Bama averaged against SEC competition anyway (32.4) They did it without SEC talent and depth. I don't think it's any question that Trent Richardson would've had a monster day had he played the entire game, just like he did against SEC defenses every week. But that doesn't make Kent St.'s defensive effort on that day, or throughout the rest of the season any less impressive. That defense is an underrated unit.


alabama 183 yards, 5.2ypc
northern illinois rushed for over 200 yards and a 4.9 clip.
kansas state rushed for over 200 yards and a 5.2 ypc clip.
south alabama put up 187 yards on a 3.8 clip..(almost a full yard over 3.0)
eastern michigan 194 yards 4.5 ypc
temple 202 yards 4.2 ypc

akron, central michigan, bowling green, miami, ohio, louisiana... all pailed in comparison, and faired extremely poorly. I know you said screw the stats, but I can't really disregard them when you tell me false information. I had a hunch that bama wasn't the only team to crack 5.0 ypc, and an even greater hunch that your 3.0 ypc claim was misguided.

I can really appreciate the fact that you have 200 tapes, I've just recently started breaking down film, and only have probably 30 games or so. along with the senior bowl, and last years combine. I know it's extensive work.
I wouldn't agree with you that Kent states defense is underrated. I think they are what they are. You say they do everything without sec talent and depth, but you have to realize that on that same token they don't play against sec talent and depth either..( which obviously you know.)... just saying.. kent st and bama are hardly comparable. regardless of how you say they played at the LOS, they have zero draft prospects on that team this year, and very few in the coming years. And the answer to your question is No... so the discussion between me and you can end if thats what you want. good day

TedSlimmJr
02-12-2012, 04:05 PM
alabama 183 yards, 5.2ypc
northern illinois rushed for over 200 yards and a 4.9 clip.
kansas state rushed for over 200 yards and a 5.2 ypc clip.
south alabama put up 187 yards on a 3.8 clip..(almost a full yard over 3.0)
eastern michigan 194 yards 4.5 ypc
temple 202 yards 4.2 ypc

akron, central michigan, bowling green, miami, ohio, louisiana... all pailed in comparison, and faired extremely poorly. I know you said screw the stats, but I can't really disregard them when you tell me false information. I had a hunch that bama wasn't the only team to crack 5.0 ypc, and an even greater hunch that your 3.0 ypc claim was misguided.

I can really appreciate the fact that you have 200 tapes, I've just recently started breaking down film, and only have probably 30 games or so. along with the senior bowl, and last years combine. I know it's extensive work.
I wouldn't agree with you that Kent states defense is underrated. I think they are what they are. You say they do everything without sec talent and depth, but you have to realize that on that same token they don't play against sec talent and depth either..( which obviously you know.)... just saying.. kent st and bama are hardly comparable. regardless of how you say they played at the LOS, they have zero draft prospects on that team this year, and very few in the coming years. And the answer to your question is No... so the discussion between me and you can end if thats what you want. good day


I didn't tell you false information. I told you that other than Alabama, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier.

TRANSLATION: Some did, but MOST of them DIDN'T. One of them that did was Temple with Bernard Pierce, who's another back that's probably a better NFL prospect than Lamar Miller.

Kansas St. was the only other team besides Alabama that cracked the 5 YPC barrier against Kent St. (5.2). So I forgot about Kansas St., but it doesn't diminish the point.


Kent St. played 12 games. Take out the Bama game and that leaves 11 games. 5 of those 11 opponents DID NOT crack the 3 YPC barrier against Kent St. as a TEAM (UL-Lafeyette, Ohio, Bowling Green, Akron, and Miami,(OH). Central Michigan cracked the 3 YPC barrier with 3.2, which means they STRUGGLED to do it. That makes 5 of 11 that didn't, and 1 more that BARELY did.

5+1= 6

11-6= 5

6 > 5

Which means that..."In fact, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier against them".




Are you telling me that Ishmaa'ily Kitchen isn't from Kent St., or that he isn't a draft prospect this year? Both are wrong. I've seen the kid play, you haven't.

This isn't as complicated as you're making it.

2413fanphins
02-12-2012, 05:00 PM
I didn't tell you false information. I told you that other than Alabama, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier.

TRANSLATION: Some did, but MOST of them DIDN'T. One of them that did was Temple with Bernard Pierce, who's another back that's probably a better NFL prospect than Lamar Miller.

Kansas St. was the only other team besides Alabama that cracked the 5 YPC barrier against Kent St. (5.2). So I forgot about Kansas St., but it doesn't diminish the point.


Kent St. played 12 games. Take out the Bama game and that leaves 11 games. 5 of those 11 opponents DID NOT crack the 3 YPC barrier against Kent St. as a TEAM (UL-Lafeyette, Ohio, Bowling Green, Akron, and Miami,(OH). Central Michigan cracked the 3 YPC barrier with 3.2, which means they STRUGGLED to do it. That makes 5 of 11 that didn't, and 1 more that BARELY did.

5+1= 6

11-6= 5

6 > 5

Which means that..."In fact, most of Kent St.'s opponents couldn't hardly crack the 3 YPC barrier against them".




Are you telling me that Ishmaa'ily Kitchen isn't from Kent St., or that he isn't a draft prospect this year? Both are wrong. I've seen the kid play, you haven't.

This isn't as complicated as you're making it.


So what your telling me is, to make your point, you admittedly leave out pertinent information... (alabama).... to skew the argument. got it.

here are the FACTS... fact   /fækt/ [/URL]Show Spelled[fakt] (http://www.finheaven.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html)[U]Show IPA
noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

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alabama 183 yards, 5.2ypc
louisiana 113 2.2ypc
kansas state 219 yards 5.2ypc
south alabama 187 yards 3.8ypc
ohio 104 yards 2.5ypc
northern illinois rushed for 209 yards and a 4.9 clip.
miami 41 yards 1.2ypc
bowling green 45 yards 1.6ypc
central michigan 86 yards 3.2ypc
akron 58 yards 2.1 ypc
eastern michigan 194 yards 4.5 ypc
temple 202 yards 4.2 ypc


kent state played 12 games. 7 of those teams DID crack the 3.0 ypc barrier. 5 teams didn't.
7+5=12
12-5=7 teams that DID break the 3.0ypc barrier
12-7=5 teams that DID NOT break the 3.0 ypc barrier

7>5 which means that IN FACT... MOST of kent states opponents cracked the 3.0 ypc barrier...

2413fanphins
02-12-2012, 05:06 PM
as far as for ish... I think you like him a lot more than the rest of america does.

Most draft sites I have seen have him ranked around 35-38 for the DT class or roughly 480th out of roughly 2800 prospects total. (read UDFA).

hooshoops
02-12-2012, 09:10 PM
mcnutts gonna suck in the pros...i'm not afraid to say it...and quick from app st is megatron talk is frankly obnoxious...

2413fanphins
02-12-2012, 09:12 PM
mcnutts gonna suck in the pros...i'm not afraid to say it...and quick from app st is megatron talk is frankly obnoxious...



roflmao!!!!!

TedSlimmJr
02-13-2012, 09:11 AM
So what your telling me is, to make your point, you admittedly leave out pertinent information... (alabama).... to skew the argument. got it.

here are the FACTS... fact

   /fækt/ Show Spelled[fakt] Show IPA
noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.



alabama 183 yards, 5.2ypc
louisiana 113 2.2ypc
kansas state 219 yards 5.2ypc
south alabama 187 yards 3.8ypc
ohio 104 yards 2.5ypc
northern illinois rushed for 209 yards and a 4.9 clip.
miami 41 yards 1.2ypc
bowling green 45 yards 1.6ypc
central michigan 86 yards 3.2ypc
akron 58 yards 2.1 ypc
eastern michigan 194 yards 4.5 ypc
temple 202 yards 4.2 ypc


kent state played 12 games. 7 of those teams DID crack the 3.0 ypc barrier. 5 teams didn't.
7+5=12
12-5=7 teams that DID break the 3.0ypc barrier
12-7=5 teams that DID NOT break the 3.0 ypc barrier

7>5 which means that IN FACT... MOST of kent states opponents cracked the 3.0 ypc barrier...





Not quite, I'm not leaving out the Alabama game to make my point. I'm leaving out the Alabama game because you haven't seen it. There's no point in talking about a football game with somebody who hasn't even seen it. FACT.

If you want to base the level of Kent St.'s run defense off the game against the National Champions, and the best rushing team in the country, be my guest. Kent St. had the 4th ranked run defense in the entire country in 2010, and 2nd in the entire country in YPC average. They finished 1/100th of a yard from being 1st in the entire country.

Kent St.'s rush defense didn't play any worse against Alabama than any of the SEC opponents did. Kent St. gave up 183 yards at a 5.2 YPC clip against Bama.

Bama averaged 199 yards per game and a 5.1 YPC clip against SEC defenses.


Nobody is going to stop Alabama's running game, and it hasn't been stopped for 100 years. It's what we do.



Furthermore, I couldn't care less what the rest of America or any draft website has to say about a prospect. Most of America has never seen more than 10 minutes worth of any of these kids, IF that much, and don't know what they're looking at in the first place. "Most" draft websites also had Brian Brohm and Colt Brennan as two of the top QB's a few years ago, but I know who didn't.

"Most of America" wasn't as high on Denarius Moore last year as I was either, or countless others through the years.


I don't expect most of America to be as high on Kitchen as I am, because most of America doesn't know who the hell he is. Just like most of America didn't know who John Randle was. I gurantee you NFL scouts know who Ishmaa'ily Kitchen and Roosevelt Nix are.

Kitchen isn't a 1st round pick or an elite prospect, nor did I say he was. But I've seen him play and I believe he has the capability to be a 2 down run stuffer in the NFL, and perhaps a developmental nose tackle. He has the attitude and unselfishness as a player that it takes to play that position. You're simply dismissing a player you have no clue about because you've never seen him play, and because some talking head on a website out there isn't hyping him up.

That's not necessarily the proper way to go about it.

TedSlimmJr
02-13-2012, 09:30 AM
as far as for ish... I think you like him a lot more than the rest of america does.

Most draft sites I have seen have him ranked around 35-38 for the DT class or roughly 480th out of roughly 2800 prospects total. (read UDFA).


Most draft sites also have Vontaze Burfict, Dont'a Hightower, or Luke Kuechly as the best ILB prospects.

I think Mychal Kendricks is the best and will make the best pro. We'll find out who's right.

2413fanphins
02-13-2012, 01:32 PM
The statement was "most of kent state opponents didnt crack the 3.0 ypc mark" that has been proven to be untrue. End of story. On to other topics.

newlownorder
02-18-2012, 03:39 PM
Pass. Not impressed.

t-dubya
02-26-2012, 12:59 PM
4.42???? Who saw that coming

2413fanphins
02-26-2012, 02:22 PM
Quicker than i thought hed run for sure.

normaniii
02-26-2012, 06:22 PM
I like him

ckparrothead
02-27-2012, 03:58 AM
I think that a highly detail-oriented workup on Marvin McNutt would yield dividends...and I think that's what is going to take place now that he's had a pretty good Combine showing. You have to look at the core movement and ball skill that he puts on display when he gets his opportunities on the field, and sort of tune out the circumstantial stuff. He displayed a lot of those same core movement skills at the Combine, which is why we're having this discussion.

I don't know about getting too caught up in stat lines that say he did produce versus so-and-so but not versus so-and-so, etc. That's where I think you need to be more detail-oriented than that. For instance, you might say Leonard Johnson shut him down based on 4 catches for 69 yards in 2011, but it also might be worth noting that McNutt beat the pants off Johnson in man coverage on a crosser for a 66 yard gain when they played one another in 2010. If you're going to question whether he's ever done any damage against NFL prospects, might be worth mentioning that he's caught touchdowns on Chimdi Chekwa and Chris L. Rucker in his career, and both play in the NFL. I think Rucker starts as a matter of fact.

I think he's worth more than a late round flier. That's my personal opinion and it doesn't have to be the opinion of anyone else's. I could think of worse things to do with a mid round pick than take Marvin McNutt, considering the Oronde Gadsden type potential he shows with his hands and concentration on the ball in air, as well as the potential he shows to be a physical, hard runner after the catch, and to run solid, balanced routes.

I also think there aren't that many receivers in this Draft I would take above Devon Wylie of Fresno State. Just another opinion I have, to each his own.