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mandal24
02-16-2012, 05:40 AM
Here's a video of every throw against Northwestern in Texas A&M's bowl game. Personally, I don't see the hype. He seems heavy footed, not much pocket awareness, seems inaccurate and not the strongest arm. His receivers definitely didn't help him by dropping so many balls but overall I was not too impressed. Only good thing I saw from this 1 game sample was that he seemed to be clutch on 3rd downs.

Also to note, if this is Mike Sherman's offense (I don't know if Sherman was gone by this point?), it was pretty pathetic with an abundance of screens to RBs and WRs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5si7nyzSE

KB21
02-16-2012, 10:06 AM
His arm strength and pocket presence are very much strong points in his game. I would like for you to point out the instances where Ryan showed a lack of pocket presence, arm strength, and heavy footedness from that film.

Here's a couple of links for you.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/09/managing-the-pocket-part-i-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb2jpgw584h361-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb3jpgw584h364-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb4jpgw584h358-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb5jpgw584h358-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb6jpgw584h351-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillb7jpgw584h361-1.jpg

Those stills are in sequence and shows excellent ability to feel the pressure, move away from the pressure, reset, see the field, and complete the pass. When I first started evaluating Ryan Tannehill, I went in with a skeptical eye because I thought going in that Ryan was going to be just another run oriented quarterback. I was dead wrong. This guy has an unbelievable feel for the pocket considering that he has only started 19 games at quarterback and was Texas A&M's BEST wide receiver during his first two years. I will post the other link in the next post.

KB21
02-16-2012, 10:12 AM
http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/11/managing-the-pocket-part-ii-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillc2jpgw584h358-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillc3jpgw584h358-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillc4jpgw584h354-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehillc5jpgw584h365-1.jpg

Another great example of his pocket presence, ability to feel the rush, step up, and deliever a strong, accurate throw. The pass was thrown with him going to his left. This is a right handed quarterback throwing on the move to his left, across his body. The ball travels 22 yards in the air, gets there, and is put in a spot where the receiver can gain yards after the catch. Here are the endzone views of the play so you can see what Ryan was seeing.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehilld1jpgw584h354-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehilld3jpgw584h358-1.jpg
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/02/tannehilld4jpgw584h358-1.jpg

phinzfan21
02-16-2012, 10:49 AM
Did we see the same video? I thought, for the most part, he showed considerably good pocket awareness and looked accurate on a lot of nice throws. There were a number of plays there where he was escaping pressure nicely. That early sack on a blitz was not his fault, nobody picked the guy up at all. Ohter times he did a nice job picking up the blitz or getting rid of the ball to avoid a sack.
His footwork looks pretty good and he shows he is not scared to hang in there and take a hit before completing a nice throw.
I really like the play at the 4:54 mark where he gets a quick run fake and then just zips it down-field, accurately to his WR.
Now there were a few bonehead plays, one that should have been a INT, one that was due to a slightly underthrown ball, and others that were slightly overthrown, but nothing that makes you go "this guy sucks."
And you're right, the WRs dropped a lot of nicely thrown balls, and there was an abundance of screens, but they seemed to be working so why not keep at it.

In conclusion, I saw him make a lot of pro throws on this video and he just looks like a professional in the pocket. What makes this more impressive than it would be maybe for other guys tape, is just how little experience he has and how darn good he looks already considering. I think the key with him is HUGE potential. Probably even helps that he understands the WR position well too having excelled there as well. I don't have issues with his accuracy really and he seems to throw pretty good on the run too. He has a lot of improvements to make, but it appears to be all stuff that will come in time with more experience and good coaching. It's cliche, but I think the sky is the limit with this guy for those willing to put in the work with him and be patient. I would not hate it at all if he ended up a phin.

J Tes
02-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Here's a video of every throw against Northwestern in Texas A&M's bowl game. Personally, I don't see the hype. He seems heavy footed, not much pocket awareness, seems inaccurate and not the strongest arm. His receivers definitely didn't help him by dropping so many balls but overall I was not too impressed. Only good thing I saw from this 1 game sample was that he seemed to be clutch on 3rd downs.

Also to note, if this is Mike Sherman's offense (I don't know if Sherman was gone by this point?), it was pretty pathetic with an abundance of screens to RBs and WRs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5si7nyzSE

??? Did we watch the same video? Where was this poor pocket awareness? I remember one sack and the pressure came right up the middle. Weak arm? Heavy footed? I think you need to go back and watch your video again

Austin Tatious
02-16-2012, 12:28 PM
Anyone have his overall stats on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter?

I really liked his pocket awareness and footwork. The kid is also really bright and seems competitive. The throw at 4:11 was a beauty. He hung in the pocket and threw it with accuracy and good ball placement.

Negatives to me are that his arm strength is mediocre and his spotty accuracy at times--I see some inconsistency. Also, on throws where he really had to drive the ball, receivers had to wait for the ball. I'd like to see better ball placement so the receivers can optimize YAC as well. If you look at his games against really good competition, he threw alot of picks which is a concern. However, he may be like Matt Ryan in the sense that he didn't have much to work with in college and could be a better pro. He also needs experience.

Overall, he is an intriguing prospect. I am warming up to him. The good news is that Philbin worked with Flynn and Sherman likewise worked with Tannehill. They have plenty of time to discuss with lots of inside information to make the best decision for the franchise.

Lots of people say he doesn't get past Seattle, so Miami may need to just take him at 8/9 if he's their guy.

Mr. Day
02-16-2012, 12:40 PM
Sherman was gone by the bowl game. That was the interim coach, and the new coach was in the stadium talking to A&M big wigs.

wisefin
02-16-2012, 12:51 PM
Great analysts KB21!

Tannehill could be a sleeper pick. What round is he forecast to go?

Casas9425
02-16-2012, 12:52 PM
Sherman was gone by the bowl game. That was the interim coach, and the new coach was in the stadium talking to A&M big wigs.What does that have to do with anything?

Zounds
02-16-2012, 12:56 PM
Great analysts KB21!

Tannehill could be a sleeper pick. What round is he forecast to go?

Some have him going to Washington at #6 overall. Others say he is a 2nd round prospect. I liked him at first, but I dont feel he can be an impact player within the next few years in the NFL. He's gonna take some time imo.

Imperium
02-16-2012, 01:09 PM
He’s this year’s Jake Locker. I would be surprised if he’s not drafted in the first.

Geforce
02-16-2012, 01:14 PM
Anyone have his overall stats on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter?
Is this what you are looking for?

4th Quarter. 63-106 59.4% 673 yards 5tds & 3 ints.

3rd down. 79-136 58.1% 1,037 yards 7tds & 5 ints.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/232059/ryan-tannehill

Miamibyrd
02-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Honestly I just dont see trading back for this guy. I would rather keep Matt as starter, or go with Lynn. This kid just dont do it for me, expecially what iveseening Luck and RG3.

mandal24
02-16-2012, 04:55 PM
agreed. theres nothing special about this kid. he doesn't lead his receivers either.

Mudder1310
02-16-2012, 08:57 PM
He’s this year’s Jake Locker. I would be surprised if he’s not drafted in the first.
I'd say he's more like Ponder, if only because Locker was a stud through his UW career, really a game proven skill set. Locker would probably have gone top 3 if he came out a year earlier, but slid with a season marred by a lack of supporting cast.

I'm having a tough time justifying any QB after the top 2. Next season there should be at least 4 quality QBs in the draft. I think we trade down, go with best player available at each position, and run Henne or Moore for a year.

NoblePhin
02-16-2012, 09:53 PM
the only thing I liked from this video was the fact that our new OC likes to call screen passes.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-16-2012, 10:46 PM
Break down his games against OK, OKST and MIZZOU. Specifically the 3rd and 4th quarter. You know the games where he **** the bed during crunch time.

Northwestern...:idk: seriously?

KB21
02-16-2012, 11:15 PM
Break down his games against OK, OKST and MIZZOU. Specifically the 3rd and 4th quarter. You know the games where he **** the bed during crunch time.

Northwestern...:idk: seriously?

Oh. I didn't realize that he played defense and gave up all the yards and points in the second half of games.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Oh. I didn't realize that he played defense and gave up all the yards and points in the second half of games.




:bobdole:

Awsi Dooger
02-17-2012, 12:37 AM
the only thing I liked from this video was the fact that our new OC likes to call screen passes.

Screen passes are a disaster. I have no idea why they are held in such fascination. Chart games and you'll be shocked how infrequently they succeed, particularly on 3rd down. Top teams don't allow you to throw safe underneath garbage and ramble for a first down. The Super Bowl participants understood. There were virtually zero screens in that game. I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Tureo
02-17-2012, 01:42 AM
I'm not "top 10 pick" impressed by Tanny. I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd but he won't be there. We need to draft a QB but we need value at all of our picks even more. With the investment we would have to make in him as a top 10 pick, I'd rather sell the house for Luck or Grifin.

Asicswrg85
02-17-2012, 03:14 AM
He is not a pro starter imo....end of story

TheWalrus
02-17-2012, 04:07 AM
He is not a pro starter imo....end of story

Well argued. :rolleyes2:

BlueFin
02-17-2012, 11:18 AM
Here's a video of every throw against Northwestern in Texas A&M's bowl game. Personally, I don't see the hype. He seems heavy footed, not much pocket awareness, seems inaccurate and not the strongest arm. His receivers definitely didn't help him by dropping so many balls but overall I was not too impressed. Only good thing I saw from this 1 game sample was that he seemed to be clutch on 3rd downs.

Also to note, if this is Mike Sherman's offense (I don't know if Sherman was gone by this point?), it was pretty pathetic with an abundance of screens to RBs and WRs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5si7nyzSE

I couldn't disagree more....he was a wide receiver...I don't see heavy footedness at all.....I am very high on Tannehill.

Sarnics13
02-17-2012, 01:32 PM
Whereas this was the first I really had watched of him I certainly don't see what the OP was saying. Looked very poised and his arm looked perfectly fine to me. There was definitely too many screens in there so not much of how he would throw down the field but I was a bit immpressed.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-17-2012, 03:36 PM
Whereas this was the first I really had watched of him I certainly don't see what the OP was saying. Looked very poised and his arm looked perfectly fine to me. There was definitely too many screens in there so not much of how he would throw down the field but I was a bit immpressed.

Glad he impressed you with highlights against Northwestern. Too bad Northwestern would end up with fewer wins in the BIG12 then MR Tannehill ended up with this year.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-17-2012, 03:41 PM
Oh. I didn't realize that he played defense and gave up all the yards and points in the second half of games.


Typical. I ask for someone to break down the games he had a hand in losing. Those 3 games, he had crucial picks in the 2nd half. How that has anything to do with the DEF and them giving up yards and points.

But keep looking at the only the small good things he does. Because your learning nothing. Watch his games against top talent. The guy chokes and folds. 4 wins in the BIG 12 this year. That is some quality **** there.

Now you can proceed to blame everyone but Tannehill for TAM woeful year.

SCall13
02-17-2012, 05:05 PM
He has arm strength and good pocket awareness. But he seriously needs to work on his foot work. He's very heavy footed and has a tendency to throw before his feet are properly set.

lil tom digby
02-17-2012, 05:57 PM
Screen passes are a disaster. I have no idea why they are held in such fascination. Chart games and you'll be shocked how infrequently they succeed, particularly on 3rd down. Top teams don't allow you to throw safe underneath garbage and ramble for a first down. The Super Bowl participants understood. There were virtually zero screens in that game. I can't think of one off the top of my head.

I can't rememeber Miami ever being very adept at running the screen, but the Bills and Thurman Thomas ran successfully on us all the time. I used to get so peod. If you've got the personnel, and can execute, the screen does have its place.

allsilverdreams
02-19-2012, 08:59 PM
it appears he does lock onto his receivers .almost like he looks one place and then lets it go.looks like Henne to much for me

jonanthans
02-19-2012, 09:07 PM
Break down his games against OK, OKST and MIZZOU. Specifically the 3rd and 4th quarter. You know the games where he **** the bed during crunch time.

Northwestern...:idk: seriously?

BOOM...exactly...He looked great against the creampuffs, even showing pocket poise. Ask A&M fans where that poise and confidence went to in the big games. Nowhere to be found...