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Elliott 1
02-28-2012, 06:21 PM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???

finfan54
02-28-2012, 06:29 PM
I think there are sure things in this draft in guys like Decastro and Kuechly so I dont have a problem with that.

mine would probly go more like this:
8) Ingram DE
41) Harrison Smith S
74) Ledarius Green TE
106) Nick Foles QB

TheBow305
02-29-2012, 03:55 PM
Other than the first two picks, I'm not sure you really upgraded the talent level on our team that much with that mock. No thanks.

wizkhalifa23
02-29-2012, 06:06 PM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???

Like it alot until the fourth round on if we took branch then we wouldn't waste another pick on a de I'd rather see a TE or WR with the third or fourth and this draft has a little bit to much defense at the top for me I think we'll go defense first offense in 2nd and 3rd but I do like devon wylie

wizkhalifa23
02-29-2012, 06:07 PM
I think there are sure things in this draft in guys like Decastro and Kuechly so I dont have a problem with that.

mine would probly go more like this:
8) Ingram DE
41) Harrison Smith S
74) Ledarius Green TE
106) Nick Foles QB

I'd be real happy with this draft but i'd probally replace foles with russel wilson

Casas9425
02-29-2012, 07:37 PM
I think there are sure things in this draft in guys like Decastro and Kuechly so I dont have a problem with that.

mine would probly go more like this:
8) Ingram DE
41) Harrison Smith S
74) Ledarius Green TE
106) Nick Foles QBThat would be a good draft.

DKphin
02-29-2012, 08:01 PM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???

Why would we trade with the Panthers? You want us to make a move to go up 1 place. How do we gain a 5th rd pick by being the one that advances in a trade?:ponder: Devon Wylie is not going to last until the 5th. This draft is loaded with OL talent, but I am not waiting till the 5th to pick one up. And, JMHO, Bequette and branch are similar, but I would take Bequette first and if Branch were still there, which he will not be, then I would take Branch.

TedSlimmJr
03-01-2012, 03:34 AM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???



Because he's not any good. His arms are far too short to play tackle (31 5/8"), nor does he have the feet to compensate for them outside. Doesn't play with the leverage it takes to get by at guard.

His teammate Jaymes Brooks is a better prospect. He's pretty much been ignored too.

MadDog 88
03-01-2012, 07:02 AM
I double down on QB at 8 and take Tannehill. But I love the Kuechly selection you have. He is the only player outside of Tannehill I consider.

Fin Thirteen
03-01-2012, 07:09 AM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???

I like your mock, but I don't think Manning is coming here without assurances that we're addressing the right side of the oline with quality guys. It's going to be a serious negotiation point for a guy protecting a healing and ageing body. We won't get away with a 5th rounder, we'll have to take one of the early guys off the board. Ireland and Philbin have the perfect excuse for going lineman in the early rounds again "this is part of the manning package". Fans will be so happy to get Peyton, it'll be accepted by most.

Glenn is a guy that we might have to trade up a little out of #42 for, maybe package a player, but he's a nice fit and let's us use No8 on BPA, of which Keuchly is hard to argue with. Lavonte David and Vernon Olivier are interesting mid-round LBs. Also small school G/T Amini Silatolu, who will be around in the 4th or so.
I'd like to use the later rounds to get Russell Wilson, a safety (Ihenacho SS or Bethel CB/FS) and another receiver to compete in the slot (like Wylie).

LANGER72
03-01-2012, 10:36 AM
I would take post Manning and Reggie Wayne:

1. T Richardson - RB (If he is there, he is the BPA IMHO - I think he is elite and could help us right away)
2. Kevin Zeitler -OG ( Fills a hole at RG)
3. Couisins. Foles Osweiler - QB project ( Each player has positives - a toss up)
4. Josh Robinson - CB
5. Lamar Holmes - OT
6. Devon Wylie - WR ( Surprising speed at combine)
7. Emmanuel Acho - LB

Elliott 1
03-03-2012, 11:58 AM
Like it alot until the fourth round on if we took branch then we wouldn't waste another pick on a de I'd rather see a TE or WR with the third or fourth and this draft has a little bit to much defense at the top for me I think we'll go defense first offense in 2nd and 3rd but I do like devon wylie

If Merling is asked to drop weight and play at 4-3 DE instead of DT then, yes, I could go along with just drafting one DE; but if not the team would be way too thin at DE with no cap to sign even a cheap veteran.

Elliott 1
03-03-2012, 12:20 PM
Because he's not any good. His arms are far too short to play tackle (31 5/8"), nor does he have the feet to compensate for them outside. Doesn't play with the leverage it takes to get by at guard.

His teammate Jaymes Brooks is a better prospect. He's pretty much been ignored too.

He won the Jacobs Blocking Trophy for the ACC's best OL; a poll voted on by head coaches and defensive coordinators. I don't think you can say he just isn't any good and expect to be taken seriously.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-03-2012, 01:30 PM
I double down on QB at 8 and take Tannehill. But I love the Kuechly selection you have. He is the only player outside of Tannehill I consider.This is the one "disadvantage" of getting Manning. Miami would have to draft a qb high meaning they lose out of someone like Kuechly, DeCastro etc. That said, I do love Tannehill's upside and it would certainly benefit him to play behind Manning for a year or two.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Your draft is very solid. I think a Manning draft is very different from a Flynn draft. If Miami gets Manning, I think they need to get a qb very early probably Tannehill. I'd also put more emphasis on the offensive line with Manning and focus primarily on offense. With Flynn, I don't think the Dolphins would need to draft a qb unless they want to add someone late to develop as more or less a backup. They could focus on finding a pass rusher in the draft and more of a BPA approach.

finfan54
03-03-2012, 03:05 PM
That would be a good draft.

I dont think that is how it will go though cus I am just purely going on my own needs/tops at pick notions. This year is going to be even worse than the Odrick year as far as figuring who we draft 1st let alone 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Roman529
03-03-2012, 04:51 PM
I like your first four picks...not sure about your last three, but if we were able to get P. Manning and Reggie Wayne than we could draft anyone and I would be pretty happy. =)

TedSlimmJr
03-04-2012, 12:38 AM
He won the Jacobs Blocking Trophy for the ACC's best OL; a poll voted on by head coaches and defensive coordinators. I don't think you can say he just isn't any good and expect to be taken seriously.

A lot of players have won the Jacob's Award that turned in a puff of smoke once their college career was over. You can't cite the Jacob's Trophy and be taken seriously. I've seen the guy play. Make a legitimate case for his play if you think he's that good. He's a waist bender with short arms.

Nobody who blabbers on about how Colin Kaepernick is going to be a better pro than John Elway has any qualifications to determine who should or shouldn't be taken seriously.

hooshoops
03-04-2012, 01:08 AM
hate the andre branch pick...i think he's way overrated

luduporcu
03-04-2012, 03:50 AM
This is the one "disadvantage" of getting Manning. Miami would have to draft a qb high meaning they lose out of someone like Kuechly, DeCastro etc. That said, I do love Tannehill's upside and it would certainly benefit him to play behind Manning for a year or two.

By NO means does MIAMI have to draft a QB early if they get MANNING. In case the many "geniuses" on this site missed it, MOORE was rated the 12th best QB in the NFL last season, even w/all the handicaps that he had to overcome (E.G., theCAREY-COLUMBO farce; no real preseason; an amateur as HC; and the lingering stench of PARCELLSBALL). The 2013 QB class is starting to look like it'll be better than this year's, so MIAMI can wait, and either take a "flyer" on a QB w/a later Round pick (COUSINS, FOLES, etc) or do nothing else about QB at all!! All that IS required in F/A is to get MANNING, a TOPSHELF G, and a FS. Everything else is "icing on the cake", i/m/o. R WAYNE's OK if the price is right: otherwise, no way.

And I wouldn't trade HARTLINE: I MIGHT trade BESS, if it's for a 2nd and a 5th. But I'd be more inclined to "stand pat".

In the Draft (I'm now assuming that I did NOT trade BESS), I'd take T RICHARDSON in Round 1 if he's there: otherwise, the best available pass-rusher. D THOMAS was d**k last season. He very well may be a bust. And R BUSH failed to finish the season: if MIAMI had made the Playoffs, he wouldn't have been there for us. So, my preference would be RICHARDSON...but if he's not there, it's a pass-rusher, as "plan B". My pick in Round 2 is the best pass-rusher still available, unless that's what we got in the 1st Round. If so, I'd get the best G or RT available. Any G or RT deemed a good enough prospect by the Staff would be my 3rd Round pick, and this wouldn't change even if we settled for a G or RT in Round 2: that just means "doubling down". Because I would want to put OL problems in the "rear-view mirror" ONCE AND FOR ALL. My 4th Round pick would be a smallish "scatback"-type HB...pereferably one who could also KR/PR. Because I'd rather have CLYDE and BESS concentrate on playing WR. Picks 5 thru 7 are BPA w/no regard to position whatsoever.

Elliott 1
03-04-2012, 03:55 PM
hate the andre branch pick...i think he's way overrated

Who do you see as the Dolphins best option/options at pass rushing DE if the Manning/Wayne thing plays out? Branch wasn't my first choice either.

fishbanger
03-04-2012, 04:44 PM
1) Ingram DE/OLB
2) Sanders OT
3) Boykin CB
4) Green TE
5) Wright WR
5) Osweiler QB
6) Johnson OG

hooshoops
03-05-2012, 10:23 AM
Who do you see as the Dolphins best option/options at pass rushing DE if the Manning/Wayne thing plays out? Branch wasn't my first choice either.

i don't see branch as a 43 de anyways...he's a 34 olb convert to me all the way...pretty good hips good cod and he played a lot standing up at clemson...that said i think he has average pass rush tools and despite has fast 10 yard split he looks slow to me off the ball at the snap...

if we're looking for a 43 de who can plug and play as a starter right now the obvious choice imo is quentin coples but i have some reservations about just how much pass rush he'll provide...still the upside and physical talent plus prototype measurables validates the pick...

if its a little later i like taking a chance on miami's olivier vernon as a pass rush specialist type player i think that kids got some tools you can work with and when i watched him in the bag pass rush drills turn the corner and flatten out i saw a lot of cam wake like qualities... i also like kyle wilbur as a situational rusher he's got explosive get off on tape and tools to work with also

kinda hard to say cause with the move to misi at ilb i think we're gonna play a lot more 43 looks and i see a glaring need for a 43 de on this team as it stands...glaring...its not on the roster...

i think the odds on ireland using a top 10 pick on a short armed undersized guy like melvin ingram are slim to none...i don't think upshaws in play either and he has imo pretty average off the ball burst...he's more a go through you guy than go around you imo...i wouldn't use a top 10 pick on either

MiamiDolphin618
03-05-2012, 12:52 PM
if we're looking for a 43 de who can plug and play as a starter right now the obvious choice imo is quentin coples but i have some reservations about just how much pass rush he'll provide...still the upside and physical talent plus prototype measurables validates the pick...

kinda hard to say cause with the move to misi at ilb i think we're gonna play a lot more 43 looks and i see a glaring need for a 43 de on this team as it stands...glaring...its not on the roster...

I agree with this. Coples, while he has some question marks, is exactly the type of guy you take a chance on. I dont think he makes it to us at 8, but you never know. Hoops what do you think of Nick Perry. I really like Upshaw, even despite his lack of explosive qualities but I agree he doesnt fit the mold quite as well. Perry has ideal size to be scheme diverse, and looks pretty explosive to me.

hooshoops
03-05-2012, 01:59 PM
i think nick perry is a solid choice with that high 2nd rounder provided we pass on coples at #8...i also think alameda taamu if its a lot of 34 and kendall reyes if its a 43 are other solid values with that pick on the dline...reyes stock is on the rise

perrys got that awesome lower half and lower half explosion that i think will give offensive linemen fits on the edge...he tested terrific...question is though does he even get to #40...or reyes for that matter...i'm doubting it...

i think all 3 guys are top 40 prospects

Fin Thirteen
03-05-2012, 02:03 PM
There's no point forcing the draft to fit 4-3, especially as we're going to run a hybrid. To some extent, you have to make the system fit the players as much as vice versa. I think Upshaw is THE only elite-potential player out of the early round DE/OLBs. I'm anything but a draft expert, but if you take that for granted for a second, then you have to take him and just play more 3-4 than 4-3 than you might have otherwise. It isn't the end of the world that a guy isn't as versatile as one of the other options, if what he does do is way better.

I think that's the case with Upshaw. I don't see the same abilities in Coples, Ingram, Branch or Perry, all of whom are arguably more versatile players. If I had to choose, I would be totally fine with sacrificing some versatility between 3-4 and 4-3 to draft Upshaw.

FinaticalOne
03-05-2012, 02:25 PM
Assuming the Dolphins sign Manning and Wayne and there is no cap room for other FA's, please rate this draft. Assume Hartline is traded for a 4th or 5th.

#8...............................................................Luke Kuechly............ILB
#40(Trade up with Panthers)(2013 5th)..............Andre Branch............DE
3rd..............................................................Markelle Martin...........S
4th..............................................................Jake Bequette...........DE
5th...............................................................Tom Compton...........OT
5th..............................................................Devon Wylie..............ST/WR/RB
6th..............................................................Chase Ford...............TE
7th..............................................................Blake DeChristopher....OL/http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html

(http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/dechristopher_blake.html)Does anybody have any idea as to why Blake DeChristopher is ignored by scouts???

I thought Devon Wylie would be an intriguing prospect, BUT...he has a terrible injury history. He couldn't stay on the field in college, what makes you think he will in the NFL. I think Wylie will go either in the 7th, but more than likely end up a UDFA.

Elliott 1
03-05-2012, 02:45 PM
The Phrase,"take a chance on." is what I have a problem with.

I don't see the sense in ,"taking a chance on," any of the projected 1st round DE's when the Dolphins could draft a HOF shoe-in like Kuechly.

If I'm taking a chance, I want to do it in the 3rd or 4th round, at least the 2nd.

Frankly, I wouldn't sign Wayne unless it was THE, deal maker/breaker. I would rather sign John Abraham to an 3yr incentive laden contract with a low 1st year cap number and find a young Julius Peppers next year.

I like Misi's IQ and versatility to play backup at all LB positions as well as DE.

Once Kuechly answered the athleticism question, he became golden to me.

hooshoops
03-05-2012, 02:53 PM
i think wylies going higher than 7th round...

FinaticalOne
03-06-2012, 01:23 PM
i think wylies going higher than 7th round...

He very well could, he's got the talent, no doubt. He just has a very long injury history which worries me. Depending on the depth of the team drafting him, he could go higher than the 7th.

showstopper
03-07-2012, 04:02 PM
i think wylies going higher than 7th round...

You're right, Wylie goes possibly second day. And with (fingers crossed) Peyton comes to South Beach, Wylie in the slot with Peyton would be HUGE! Sorry Bess, but we have to take it to the next level and getting Wylie on draft weekend become vital and you have to go.