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jim1
03-11-2012, 05:01 PM
What if the Dolphins don't get Manning? Interest in Matt Flynn is expected in that scenario, but not everyone inside the organization is enthusiastic about that. One official raised questions about how much better Flynn is than Matt Moore.

Coach Joe Philbin, Flynn's offensive coordinator in Green Bay, likes Flynn, and so an offer to Flynn appears inevitable if Miami strikes out on Manning. But at the Dolphins ownership level, there's some uncertainty about what they would be getting and no great conviction he's destined to be a franchise quarterback. And now that Washington has aquired the No. 2 pick (and the right to draft Robert Griffin III), the bidding for Flynn could get awfully high, with Cleveland and potentially Seattle among the other expected suitors.

The Dolphins' other free agent options aren't good, with Jason Campbell and Kyle Orton among others available. If the Dolphins strike out on Manning and Flynn, Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill becomes an option at No. 8 in the draft.

We solicited views from several NFL scouts on Miami’s potential options with the No. 8 pick, and here’s some of what was expressed: serious concerns about North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples because of questionable effort/attitude; support for South Carolina’s Melvin Ingram (two scouts said Miami should take him); and a warning not to overlook LSU defensive tackle Michael Brockers as an option at No. 8.

One scout who spoke to North Carolina coaches said: “Coples turned people off. He was out for himself all year. He needs an attitude adjustment. I saw lack of effort. Sometimes, there’s a play going away from him and he won’t chase it hard, if he chases it at all. He stands and watches sometimes. It’s a shame, because he’s got all the talent you would want in a 4-3 defensive end. He would fit a 4-3 end role better than Melvin Ingram or Courtney Upshaw.”

Another scout said Coples, 6-5 and 284 pounds, "would scare me half to death because of lack of effort, lack of production." Another said, "Anytime you pick a guy in the top 10, you want to see effort every play and it wasn't there with him." It's a tossup whether Coples will be available when Miami picks eighth.

All the scouts like Ingram – “strong, explosive, outstanding pass rusher” with good speed for his position - but two voiced mild concerns about his height (6-1) and arm length (30 inches). Though some project him as a 4-3 defensive end, two envision him as a better fit at linebacker because "he’s short. His leverage against some of the tackles is not going to be good,” one scout said.

Another said, "If you look at Pittsburgh's LaMarr Woodley, he has 34 inch arms. When you're an undersized linebacker, you would like that length."

Still, all agreed Ingram would be a better pick than Alabama’s Upshaw, who “doesn’t have the type of speed and quickness Ingram has.” The evaluators said Ingram would be best as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Miami wants to use primarily a 4-3.

The scout who advocated Brockers (6-5, 322 pounds, 35-inch arms) said he has more upside than Ingram, Upshaw or Iowa’s Riley Reiff but without Coples’ red flags. At 19, “he’s already so dominant in the run phase, and he will develop into a pass rusher,” one said, comparing him to Raiders and former Patriots standout Richard Seymour.

The consensus from the scouts was even though Reiff is a solid player, picking a right tackle at No. 8 isn’t good value. “You want someone with more impact at that spot,” one scout said. “You already have your left tackle and you can get your right tackle in the second or third round.” ESPN’s Mel Kiper disagrees, saying Thursday that “with right tackle being so problematic… I would go Reiff if I get Manning.”

The Dolphins' pick could have more value in a trade if a top-six talent such as LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon or Alabama running back Trent Richardson falls to No. 8. Trading down is a realistic option because the Dolphins will have multiple needs to fill in the draft if Manning takes up much of their cap space.

What about fast-rising defensive tackle Dontari Poe at No. 8? The scouts said that’s too high. “He wowed everybody at the Combine, but he was up and down at Memphis.”

Who, besides Coples and Ingram, would be next best as a pass-rusher for Miami? One scout said Southern California’s Nick Perry, but that No. 8 is too high. Another said Marshall’s Vinny Curry if Miami trades down to get a first-rounder in the 20s. Miami also has studied Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus (16 sacks), a one-year wonder projected to go in the teens.

The scouts said taking Tannehill at No. 8 can be justified if Miami doesn’t get Manning or Matt Flynn because of his strong arm and ability to extend plays with his feet. But accuracy “in the face of pressure” was one concern raised.

The Dolphins have put all their prominent free agents on hold while awaiting word from Manning. Those who have spoken to the team say they don’t want to go wild in free agent spending beyond Manning but badly want to find a starting-caliber No. 3 corner because third corners are on the field so much. Kelly Jennings, Richard Marshall, Eric Wright, Terrell Thomas, Cedric Griffin and Dimitri Patterson are among free agents who would fit that bill.

Miami hopes to find pass rushers and potentially a right tackle in the draft. Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland still hopes to re-sign Kendall Langford (“very good run player, dependable, never been late to a meeting, never had one angry word with a coach,” Ireland said). But if Ireland cannot, he still has Randy Starks, Jared Odrick, Tony McDaniel and restricted free agent Phillip Merling to play tackle in a 4-3. Odrick and Starks can play end, also.

Though Yeremiah Bell has a big salary ($4.3 million), Ireland reiterated his commitment to him because “that’s the one piece who is absolutely one of the highest competitors on the team.”

The Dolphins don’t view receiver as a pressing need and are curious how insistent Manning will be about adding Reggie Wayne to the team he signs with. NFL Network’s Marshall Faulk insists it’s a package deal, and it’s difficult to see the Dolphins allowing that to jeopardize their chances

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/03/scouts-opine-on-dolphins-draft-plus-dolphins-heat-marlins-um-notes.html#storylink=cpy

SF Dolphin Fan
03-11-2012, 08:45 PM
Very interesting. I hadn't considered Brockers at #8 and honestly don't know that much about him. I do think that the Dolphins could take Tannehill even if they end up with Peyton Manning.

sinPHIN
03-11-2012, 09:42 PM
good stuff. if coples is the pick i will be very upset. the guy is a me player. he could change but its not a chance i wouldnt take, and i doubt the FO would ether. if we dont get manning i hate to say it but grab tannehill even tho i think it is too high

ckparrothead
03-11-2012, 10:06 PM
I don't agree with those three particular scouts.

Also it's the time of year when some of these criticisms are looking awful scripted and have a purpose. Let's drive down the price of the good players and drive up the price of the not so good ones!

uga3406
03-11-2012, 11:35 PM
I love me some Ingram

jim1
03-12-2012, 04:19 AM
I love me some Ingram

I would take Mel Ingram over Coples and not think twice about it. Courtney Upshaw I'd take over Coples as well, but I'm still going with David DeCastro.

BARF
03-12-2012, 08:19 AM
ingram or perry for me, but i say we should trade down if we get a good offer

Elliott 1
03-12-2012, 02:13 PM
There is definitely something wrong with this report. I find it unbelievable.

No mention of Kuechly, but a suggestion of Brockers. Brockers would have a hard time even beating out Randy McDaniel for snaps, and he wouldn't start.

It is absurd if you really think about it. Passing on a likely HOF player like Kuechly for a DL rotational guy. Kuechly could lead our defense for the next dozen years.

The comment he made about Starks or Odrick playing DE in our 4-3 is just stupid. If anybody plays end out of the DT's it will be Merling after dropping weight.

This was really bad article and it actually sounds more like a lame attempt at disinformation; either that or the reporter is inept.

jim1
03-12-2012, 02:49 PM
Odrick could easily play DE in a 4-3.

miami234ever
03-12-2012, 04:53 PM
At this point, I prefer Kuechly or Coples. Coples is young and may need to be coached up a little bit, but he's physically a monster. We are not picking anyone who is playing DT, as we are set there, especially if we re-sign Langford. As for the DE position, even if Merling or Odrick can play LE, they are still not the long-term answer for the pass-rush.

3rdandinches
03-12-2012, 09:20 PM
Go hard core after M.Williams and add L.Kuechly to MLB and we have one the if not the best front 7's in all of football.

SMadison29
03-13-2012, 02:38 PM
No mention of Kuechly, but a suggestion of Brockers. Brockers would have a hard time even beating out Randy McDaniel for snaps, and he wouldn't start.

It is absurd if you really think about it. Passing on a likely HOF player like Kuechly for a DL rotational guy. Kuechly could lead our defense for the next dozen years.

WHAT!?! Brockers is a disruptive force inside. Sure he would rotate with Starks & Odrick inside but that's because DTs don't play every down. And to suggest Kuechly is a HOF is laughable at this point of his career.

MiamiDolphin618
03-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Go hard core after M.Williams and add L.Kuechly to MLB and we have one the if not the best front 7's in all of football.
If your mock draft/FA came true I would be extremely happy. I still want Manning, but your option sounds pretty good to me.

SamIam
03-13-2012, 03:28 PM
There is definitely something wrong with this report. I find it unbelievable.

No mention of Kuechly, but a suggestion of Brockers. Brockers would have a hard time even beating out Randy McDaniel for snaps, and he wouldn't start.

It is absurd if you really think about it. Passing on a likely HOF player like Kuechly for a DL rotational guy. Kuechly could lead our defense for the next dozen years.

The comment he made about Starks or Odrick playing DE in our 4-3 is just stupid. If anybody plays end out of the DT's it will be Merling after dropping weight.

This was really bad article and it actually sounds more like a lame attempt at disinformation; either that or the reporter is inept.

:lol::lol::lol: ... you are very close to losing your mind.... a likely HOF er without seeing him playing a down in the NFL