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TedSlimmJr
03-17-2012, 04:08 PM
Inside Linebackers:

1. *Luke Kuechly / Boston College

2. Mychal Kendricks / California

3. *Dont'a Hightower / Alabama

4. James Michael-Johnson / Nevada

5. Noah Keller / Ohio

6. Tank Carder / TCU

7. Jerry Franklin / Arkansas

8. Adrien Cole / Louisiana Tech

9. Emmanuel Acho / Texas

10. Marcus Dowtin / UNA

11. Carmen Messina / New Mexico

12. Jeff Thomas / Indiana

13. Steven Sylvester / Georgia Tech






Tight Ends:

1. Coby Fleener / Stanford

2. *Dwayne Allen / Clemson

3. Michael Egnew / Missouri

4. Josh Chichester / Louisville

5. Ladarius Green / UL-Lafayette

6. Kevin Koger / Michigan

7. *Orson Charles / Georgia

8. Brad Herman / Iowa

9. Chase Ford / Miami

10. Brandon Barden / Vanderbilt


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfpAf3rqQZe

11. Adrien Robinson / Cincinnati

12. Anthony Miller / California

13. Tim Biere / Kansas

14. James Hanna / Oklahoma






H-Backs:

1. Evan Rodriguez / Temple

2. Drake Dunsmore / Northwestern

3. Brad Smelley / Alabama

4. Deangelo Peterson / LSU

datruth55
03-17-2012, 05:47 PM
Where are your WRs Slimm?

sinPHIN
03-17-2012, 06:14 PM
you obviously havent watched many louisville games. Chichester is way overrated due to his size.

TedSlimmJr
03-18-2012, 08:08 PM
Centers:

1. *Peter Konz / Wisconsin

2. Phillip Blake / Baylor

3. Garth Gerhart / Arizona St.

4. Mike Brewster / Ohio St.

5. David Molk / Michigan

6. Ben Jones / Georgia

7. Ben Burkett / Northwestern

8. William Vlachos / Alabama






Guards:

1. *David DeCastro / Stanford

2. Kevin Zeitler / Wisconsin

3. Brandon Brooks / Miami (OH)

4. Amini Silatolu / Midwestern St.

5. Lucas Nix / Pittsburgh (swing tackle)

6. Derek Dennis / Temple

7. Joe Looney / Wake Forest

8. *Brandon Washington / Miami (swing tackle)

9. Ronald Leary / Memphis

10. Tony Bergstrom / Utah

11. Desmond Wynn / Rutgers

12. Quentin Saulsberry / Mississippi St.

13. Kelvin Beachum / SMU

14. James Brown / Troy (swing tackle)

15. Jaymes Brooks / Virginia Tech

16. Senio Kelemete / Washington

17. Al Netter / Northwestern

18. Rokevious Watkins / South Carolina

19. Don Barclay / West Virginia






Offensive Tackles:

1. *Matt Kalil / USC

2. Cordy Glenn / Georgia (could kick inside)

3. Kelechi Osemele / Iowa St. (could kick inside)

4. *Riley Reiff / Iowa

5. Brandon Mosley / Auburn

6. *Jonathan Martin / Stanford

7. Mike Adams / Ohio St.

8. Jeff Allen / Illinois

9. *Bobby Massie / Ole Miss

10. Tom Compton / South Dakota

11. Jeff Adams / Columbia

12. Zebrie Sanders / Florida St.

13. Matt McCants / UAB

14. Lamar Holmes / Southern Miss

15. Mitchell Schwartz / California (could kick inside)

16. Elvis Fisher / Missouri (could kick inside)

TedSlimmJr
03-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Runningbacks: (change-of-pace/scatbacks - less than 209 pounds)


1. *LaMichael James / Oregon

2. *David Wilson / Virginia Tech

3. Isaiah Pead / Cincinnati

4. *Ronnie Hillman / San Diego St.

5. Michael Smith / Utah St.

6. Adonis Thomas / Toledo

7. Cyrus Gray / Texas A&M

8. *Edwin Baker / Michigan St.

9. Bobby Rainey / Western Kentucky

10. Tauren Poole / Tennessee

11. Fozzy Whittaker / Texas

12. Keola Antolin / Arizona

TedSlimmJr
03-18-2012, 10:24 PM
Runningbacks: (short yardage/powerbacks - 230+ pounds)


1. Derrick Coleman / UCLA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiBHLvqUwsQ


2. Terrance Ganaway / Baylor

3. Cody Johnson / Texas A&M

4. *Darell Scott / South Florida

TedSlimmJr
03-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Runningbacks: (balanced/feature backs; 210-229 pounds)


1. *Trent Richardson / Alabama

2. Doug Martin / Boise St.

3. Robert Turbin / Utah St.

4. *Bernard Pierce / Temple

5. *Lamar Miller / Miami

6. Vick Ballard / Mississippi St.

7. Chris Polk / Washington

8. Brandon Bolden / Ole Miss

9. Dan Herron / Ohio St.

10. Alfred Morris / Florida Atlantic

11. *Jewel Hampton / Southern Illinois

12. Davin Meggett / Maryland

13. Jonas Gray / Notre Dame

14. Lennon Creer / Louisiana Tech

TedSlimmJr
03-18-2012, 11:10 PM
Wide Receivers: (slot/versatility)


1. Ryan Broyles / Oklahoma

2. Joe Adams / Arkansas

3. T.Y. Hilton / Florida International

4. Jarius Wright / Arkansas

5. *Chris Givens / Wake Forest

6. Jeremy Ebert / Northwestern

7. Jordan White / Western Michigan

8. Devon Wylie / Fresno St.

9. T.J. Graham / N.C. State

10. *Eric Page / Toledo

11. Kashif Moore / UCONN

12. Lavon Brazill / Ohio

13. Marquis Maze / Alabama

14. Darius Hanks / Alabama

15. Bert Reed / Florida St.

16. James Rodgers / Oregon St.

JCane
03-19-2012, 02:51 AM
I like Tank Carder a lot.

Surprised you have Orson Charles so low. I think he has a lot of value and incredibly underrated.

Bert Reed? C'mon...I like Streeter and Byrd better than him.

:lol:

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 11:42 AM
Wide Receivers: (#1, #1a, #2, #4)


1. *Justin Blackmon / Oklahoma St.

2. Michael Floyd / Notre Dame

3. Kendall Wright / Baylor

4. *Stephen Hill / Georgia Tech

5. *Mohamed Sanu / Rutgers

6. *Rueben Randle / LSU

7. Greg Childs / Arkansas

8. *Alshon Jeffrey / South Carolina

9. Brian Quick / Appalachian St.

10. Rishard Matthews / Nevada


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7078087


11. A.J. Jenkins / Illinois

12. Marvin Jones / California

13. Jeff Fuller / Texas A&M

14. Danny Coale / Virginia Tech

15. Juron Criner / Arizona

16. Gerrell Robinson / Arizona St.

17. *Tommy Streeter / Miami

18. Marvin McNutt / Iowa

19. Nick Toon / Wisconsin

20. Jarrett Boykin / Virginia Tech

21. Lance Lewis / East Carolina

22. Jermaine Kearse / Washington

23. Da'Jon McKnight / Minnesota

24. Nelson Rosario / UCLA

25. Derek Moye / Penn St.

26. Lavasier Tuinei / Oregon

27. Junior Hemingway / Michigan

MiamiDolphin618
03-19-2012, 11:45 AM
I really think we need to get two WRs in this draft. Id like Sanu/Randle and Hilton/Adams personally. Lots of guys to like though.

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 12:14 PM
Cornerbacks:

1. *Morris Claiborne / LSU

2. Janoris Jenkins / UNA

3. *Dre Kirkpatrick / Alabama

4. Casey Hayward / Vanderbilt

5. *Jayron Hosley / Virginia Tech

6. *Stephon Gilmore / South Carolina

7. Brandon Boykin / Georgia

8. Alfonzon Dennard / Nebraska

9. Larry Parker / San Diego St.

10. Dwight Bentley / UL-Lafayette

11. Richard Crawford / SMU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUUx4VunRds


12. Jamell Fleming / Oklahoma

13. Brandon Hardin / Oregon St.

14. Asa Jackson / Cal-Poly

15. *Josh Robinson / UCF

16. Coty Sensabaugh / Clemson

17. Terrence Frederick / Texas A&M

18. Donnie Fletcher / Boston College

19. Keith Tandy / West Virginia

20. Chase Minnifield / Virginia

21. Coryell Judie / Texas A&M

22. Omar Bolden / Arizona St.

23. Trevin Wade / Arizona

24. Leonard Johnson / Iowa St.

25. Dequan Menzie / Alabama

26. Ron Brooks / LSU

27. Shaun Prater / Iowa

28. Mike Harris / Florida St.

29. Charles Brown / North Carolina

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 01:00 PM
Safeties:

1. Mark Barron / Alabama

2. George Iloka / Boise St.

3. Brandon Taylor / LSU

4. Tramain Thomas / Arkansas


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leXmkj91WBg


5. Harrison Smith / Notre Dame

6. Tony Dye / UCLA

7. Kelcie McCray / Arkansas St.

8. Sean Richardson / Vanderbilt

9. Markelle Martin / Oklahoma St.

10. Duke Ihenacho / San Jose St.

11. Winston Guy / Kentucky

12. Damien Jackson / Ole Miss

13. Trumaine Johnson / Montana

14. *Janzen Jackson / McNeese St.

15. Aaron Henry / Wisconsin

16. Justin Bethel / Presbyterian

17. Antonio Allen / South Carolina

18. Jerrell Young / South Florida

19. Jericho Nelson / Arkansas

20. Trenton Robinson / Michigan St.

NorFlaFin
03-19-2012, 02:48 PM
Think you could put a ranking 1-255 on where the players talent says he should be drafted?

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 03:06 PM
Outside Linebackers: (4-3 & 3-4)


1. Demorio Davis / Arkansas St. (4-3)

2. Lavonte David / Nebraska (4-3)

3. Bruce Irvin / West Virginia (4-3/3-4)

4. Keenan Robinson / Texas (4-3)

5. Kyle Wilber / Wake Forest (4-3/3-4)

6. Nigel Bradham / Florida St. (4-3)

7. *Ronnell Lewis / Oklahoma (4-3/3-4)

8. Sammy Brown / Houston (4-3)

9. Josh Kaddu / Oregon (4-3)

10. Jerrell Harris / Alabama (4-3)

11. Tahir Whitehead / Temple (4-3)

12. Danny Trevathon / Kentucky (4-3)

13. Darius Fleming / Notre Dame (4-3/3-4)

14. Cordarro Law / Southern Miss (4-3/3-4)

15. Miles Burris / San Diego St. (4-3)

16. Brandon Marshall / Nevada (4-3)

17. Adrian Robinson / Temple (4-3/3-4)

18. Eltoro Freeman / Auburn (4-3)

19. Sean Spence / Miami (4-3)

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 03:45 PM
Think you could put a ranking 1-255 on where the players talent says he should be drafted?


Obviously there's other elements that combine to make up a prospect's grade on my board. For example, a kid like *Ronnell Lewis has 1st round physical talent and athletic ability. I felt like he always played out of position for Oklahoma (DE) and was better suited to be playing from a 2-point stance.... in space. He was a little undersized playing the DE position, but he has great feet and instincts. Knows how to get off blocks and understands leverage. Terrific burst off the ball, even though he's still raw as a pass rusher. Excellent special teams player and that goes a long ways towards helping him stick on a roster in the NFL while he learns his trade, and is able to receive the coaching and fundamental work that he needs at this point. One of the strongest players and best athletes in this draft.

However, his academic issues and questionable intelligence are things that teams have to consider. Especially if you need him to come in and learn a complex system quickly in order to nail down that roster spot for you. He's a high risk/high reward type prospect, but the kid can play.

For these reasons, a 1st round physical talent gets a late 3rd/early 4th round grade somewhere in the 95-105 range overall on my board.


There's so many different variables that apply to all these kids. I don't necessarily even have a draftable grade on every prospect on my lists, mainly when you get towards the ends of these lists. Some of them are prospects that I like the film on, but don't test very well athletically.... I'm looking at them anywhere from the 7th round - Priority UDFA.

In other words, if there's a particular grade on a specific prospect that you'd be interested in just ask...

MiamiMuss
03-19-2012, 08:32 PM
Great stuff!!Thanks alot.

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 10:24 PM
Defensive Tackles:


1. *Fletcher Cox / Mississippi St. (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

2. *Jerel Worthy / Michigan St.

3. Alameda Ta'amu / Washington (NT)

4. *Michael Brockers / LSU (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

5. Devon Still / Penn St.

6. Brandon Thompson / Clemson

7. Kendall Reyes / UCONN

8. Keeston Randall / Texas (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

9. *Dontari Poe / Memphis

10. Derek Wolfe / Cincinnati

11. Mike Martin / Michigan

12. J.R. Sweezy / N.C. State (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

13. Josh Chapman / Alabama (NT)

14. Jared Crick / Nebraska (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

15. Akiem Hicks / University of Regina (Canada) (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

16. Renard Williams / Eastern Washington

17. Hebron Fangupo / BYU

18. Billy Winn / Boise St.

19. Tony Jerod-Eddie / Texas A&M (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

20. Jaye Howard / Florida (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

21. Ishmaa'ily Kitchen / Kent St. (NT)

22. Tydreke Powell / North Carolina

23. Vaughn Meatoga / Hawaii

24. Dominique Hamilton / Missouri

25. Christo Bilukidi / Georgia St. (could also draw interest as a 3-4 DE)

26. Nick Gentry / Alabama

27. Travian Robertson / South Carolina

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 11:14 PM
Defensive Ends:

1. *Nick Perry / USC

2. Vinny Curry / Marshall

3. Quentin Coples / North Carolina

4. Melvin Ingram / South Carolina (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

5. Courtney Upshaw / Alabama (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

6. Malik Jackson / Tennessee


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTzQbJzSItI


7. *Chandler Jones / Syracuse

8. Tyrone Crawford / Boise St.

9. *Whitney Mercilus / Illinois

10. Cam Johnson / Virginia (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

11. Shea McClellin / Boise St. (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

12. Jake Bequette / Arkansas

13. *Olivier Vernon / Miami (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

14. Scott Solomon / Rice

15. Morkeith Brown / Temple

16. *Donte Paige-Moss / North Carolina

17. Frank Alexander / Oklahoma

18. Jamie Blatnick / Oklahoma St. (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

19. Jonathan Massaquoi / Troy

20. James Brooks / UNA

21. Max Holloway / Boston College (could also be looked at as a 3-4 'rush' linebacker)

22. Trevor Guyton / California

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 11:39 PM
Quarterbacks:


1. *Andrew Luck / Stanford

2. Brandon Weeden / Oklahoma St.

3. Ryan Tannehill / Texas A&M

4. *Robert Griffin III / Baylor

5. G.J. Kinne / Tulsa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U07SHuTleb0


6. Ryan Lindley / San Diego St.

7. Kirk Cousins / Michigan St.

8. B.J. Coleman / UT-Chattanooga

9. Chandler Harnish / Northern Illinois

10. Nick Foles / Arizona

11. Russell Wilson / Wisconsin

12. Bo Levi Mitchell / Eastern Washington

13. *Brock Osweiler / Arizona St.

14. Austin Davis / Southern Miss

15. Dan Persa / Northwestern

16. Case Keenum / Houston

TedSlimmJr
03-19-2012, 11:54 PM
Notable prospects not on my board -


Travis Lewis - LB - Oklahoma

Devier Posey - WR - Ohio St.

Matt Reynolds - OT - BYU

Eddie Pleasant - S - Oregon

Jeff Demps - RB - Florida

Jacory Harris - QB - Miami

*Johnny Thomas - S - Oklahoma St.

Andre Branch - DE - Clemson

Travis Benjamin - WR - Miami

Audie Cole - LB - N.C. State

Cliff Harris - CB - Oregon

Chris Rainey - RB/WR - Florida

Kellen Moore - QB - Boise St.

Bryce Brown - RB - ????

Patrick Edwards - WR - Houston

George Bryan - TE - N.C. State

Nate Potter - OT - Boise St.

Jack Crawford - DE - Penn St.

Levy Adc0ck - OT - Oklahoma St.

Brian Linthicum - TE- Michigan St.

*Phillip Thomas - S - Syracuse

Chris Galippo - LB - USC

Andrew Datko - OT - Florida St.

Zach Brown - LB - North Carolina

Ryan Steed - CB - Furman

John Brantley - QB - Florida

Marc Tyler - RB - USC

Blake Gideon - S - Texas

Rishaw Johnson - OG - California (PA)

Brandon Lindsey - DE - Pittsburgh

*Marcus Forston - DT - Miami

Bobby Wagner - LB - Utah St.

*Vontaze Burfict - LB - Arizona St.

Jordan Jefferson - QB - LSU

Josh Norman - CB - Coastal Carolina

*Terrell Manning - LB - N.C. State

Laron Byrd - WR - Miami

D'Anton Lynn - CB - Penn St.

*Darron Thomas - QB - Oregon

Matt Conrath - DE - Virginia

Kentrell Lockette - DE - Ole Miss

Rhett Ellison - TE - USC

Aldarius Johnson - WR - Miami

*Barrett Trotter - QB - Auburn

WelcomeBack
03-20-2012, 04:36 PM
Haha Slimm, giving the credit to G.J. Kinne I see.

We've talked about him quite a bit and you know I am high on him as a quarterback for the style of offense Miami is expected to run. Great video to give him a display.

NorFlaFin
03-21-2012, 04:12 PM
Thoughts on Ryan Lindley QB?


Late round developmental only?

MiamiMuss
03-21-2012, 04:26 PM
Wow on Whitney...Overall pretty good rankings

TedSlimmJr
03-21-2012, 05:07 PM
Thoughts on Ryan Lindley QB?


Late round developmental only?



Good question. I like him a little better than that, somewhere in the late-4th round range... but if a team were to get him later than that due to him being on the board that long I think they got themselves a pretty decent steal at the QB position.

Right off the bat, Lindley has what you're looking for in his profile. Prototype size, 4 year starter in a pro-style offense, big strong arm, and experience in a knock-off West Coast system under Al Borges. He has one of the 3 best arms in this draft, if not the best.

Has good pocket presence and tougness. Decent feel for the pass rush and more mobile in the pocket than people think. Needs very little to no work on his delivery from the waist up. I wouldn't touch it. Understands situational football, adept and efficient running the 2-minute offense. The 2-minute offense he ran at the end of his bowl game against UL-Lafayette to lead them to the go ahead touchdown in a whale of a football game was one of the best I witnessed all season in college football.

The issues I see with Lindley are that he's a very, very streaky passer. His accuracy can go completely in the ditch because of sloppy footwork and tendency to overstride in his setup, and it happened often. He has to focus more on his fundamentals from the ground up to improve his accuracy. You have to have it in the NFL. However, when his footwork is sharp, he can be unstoppable because he can make any throw, anywhere, anytime to anybody due to having such a tremendous arm. Will also force some ill advised throws into double coverage, which most quarterbacks with physically gifted arms will do from time to time.

Overall, I think Lindley is one of the lowest risk/high reward prospects in this draft, particularly at the quarterback position.

Valandui
03-22-2012, 06:48 AM
What happened to make Michael Brewster fall down so far? Wasn't he being projected to go in the first round at one point?

TedSlimmJr
03-22-2012, 11:57 PM
What happened to make Michael Brewster fall down so far? Wasn't he being projected to go in the first round at one point?


I don't know if he was ever projected as a 1st rounder but he was always one of the top 2 or 3 Senior centers in this draft. Konz was always the guy that was going to be the #1 center if he declared early.

Brewster's a good player with exceptional toughness and competitiveness. He's one of the most experienced offensive lineman in this draft and is adept at making all the line calls. However, he just doesn't test well athletically.

He's still a top 125 player in this draft and I'd be suprised if he lasted past the middle of the 4th round or so.

j-off-her-doll
03-23-2012, 10:59 AM
No one is talking about Sanu, but I think he'd be a good fit for our offense and likely available in the 2nd - maybe the 3rd?

MiamiDolphin618
03-23-2012, 12:27 PM
No one is talking about Sanu, but I think he'd be a good fit for our offense and likely available in the 2nd - maybe the 3rd?
His pro-day really helped his cause from what Ive read. His 40 went down significantly, could have been a fast track though Im not sure

j-off-her-doll
03-23-2012, 12:56 PM
His pro-day really helped his cause from what Ive read. His 40 went down significantly, could have been a fast track though Im not sure

I didn't even hear about his pro day.

hooshoops
03-24-2012, 04:47 PM
problem with sanu for me other than he can fight the ball his hands look inconsistent to me is that on tape i have yet to see evidence of him
providing chunk yardage plays in the passing game...his game has more a possession type wr look to me given everythings 20 yards or less pretty much that i've seen...

i wouldn't touch him with our 2nd rounder i know that...

hooshoops
03-24-2012, 04:57 PM
demario davis the lb from ark state really caught my eye at the combine with his work in drills and his length...very long lean muscled athlete...slimm since you have him your top rated 43 0lb i assume you have seen plenty of evidence of this kid showing off instincts and burst etc...can you point me in the direction of where i can see some of it??? i was a big fan of his after what i saw at the combine

i think you have kendall reyes 2 spots too low on your dt rankings and i think you have cb dwight bentley a little low also...i don't see the cb norman from the small school that lit up the shrine game week on you rankings either...

also why is lb bobby wagner from utah st not on your board???

TedSlimmJr
03-24-2012, 05:49 PM
demario davis the lb from ark state really caught my eye at the combine with his work in drills and his length...very long lean muscled athlete...slimm since you have him your top rated 43 0lb i assume you have seen plenty of evidence of this kid showing off instincts and burst etc...can you point me in the direction of where i can see some of it??? i was a big fan of his after what i saw at the combine

i think you have kendall reyes 2 spots too low on your dt rankings and i think you have cb dwight bentley a little low also...i don't see the cb norman from the small school that lit up the shrine game week on you rankings either...

also why is lb bobby wagner from utah st not on your board???



Josh Norman isn't on my board because there's no way in hell you can play cornerback in the NFL running almost 4.7 in the 40 yard dash. He has some character issues off the field, and some effort issues on it. There's too many other good CB's that I like, and Norman just didn't make the cut. There's some small school corners like Asa Jackson that I really like.

Bobby Wagner isn't on my board for the same reason a lot of other players aren't... I don't think he's very good, and I like other linebackers better.

I'm comfortable with where I have Kendall Reyes. He tested extremely well at the combine which helped his stock in my eyes, but he has a tendency to want to play around blocks rather than through them. Once he realizes he's lined up across from a guy who'll battle him tooth and nail, Reyes doesn't always match the challenge. I watched Lucas Nix completely dominate him and shut him out.

Dwight Bentley is also a top 3 round pick on my board, but he's a very small corner. Has some issues in downfield coverage as well. Extremely competitive and plays with tremendous heart. I like Bentley, but I'll take the corners I have ahead of him first.

Demario Davis might be the best 3 down linebacker in this draft behind Luck Kuechly, although I like Davis outside. He's a freak athletically in every aspect, physical, instinctive, wrap up tackler who knows when to really bring something extra without risking a whiffed tackle. Arkansas St. had a tremendous defense and Davis looked to me like the heart and soul of it that everyone else fed off of.

hooshoops
03-24-2012, 06:02 PM
damn...i didn't know norman ran 4.7...i guess now i know why he was squatting on everything at the shrine game...lacks long speed

i thought bobby wagner showed well at the senior bowl...i think he can make someones roster as a specials guy at least

MiamiDolphin618
03-25-2012, 06:18 PM
Where do you guys think Broyles will go with the injury and everything?

hooshoops
03-25-2012, 08:35 PM
Where do you guys think Broyles will go with the injury and everything?

4th round...maybe late 3rd but i have a 4th round grade due to medical...but i was never he's a 1st round wr guy...he looks like an nfl #2 wr to me

MiamiDolphin618
03-25-2012, 09:50 PM
4th round...maybe late 3rd but i have a 4th round grade due to medical...but i was never he's a 1st round wr guy...he looks like an nfl #2 wr to me
Yeah I dont think hes an alpha, but I cant help but think hed be a great fit for the offense we want to run.

TedSlimmJr
04-02-2012, 02:36 PM
As I continue to go back and study the film more on these prospects, I've made a slight adjustment to my board.

Kirk Cousins moved up 1 spot in my quarterback rankings, B.J. Coleman dropped a spot.



Coleman:

- pocket presence
- accuracy & ball placement
- coverage recognition



Cousins:

+ coverage recognition *consistently read the flat defender correctly on the slant/flat read*
+ better anticipation and reading defender's intent vs. zone
+ ball placement and velocity on very difficult intermediate throws between defenders
+ consistent release point and gets good extention of throwing arm
+ ball comes out of his hand very clean with tight spin when he sets his feet

Tunaphish429
04-02-2012, 03:07 PM
TedSlimmJr....I was recently having a conversation with a friend about RGIII and at the time it seemed very obvious that with the Skins trading up to number 2 that they would go after him...but now I am having some doubts..I thought that it was pretty interesting that you had Tannehil ahead of RGIII..can you give some insight on it? I have never been a fan of Griffin as a pro qb..and I like Ryan alot....I agreed with Ck about his funny release at times and he just does not pass the eye test with me as far as his build is concerned..Do you think there is any chance that Tannehil goes number 2 to the skins? They both ran some bootlegs in college and both throw the ball pretty good on the run but with Tannehil you get the pro level size...

datruth55
04-02-2012, 03:42 PM
problem with sanu for me other than he can fight the ball his hands look inconsistent to me is that on tape i have yet to see evidence of him
providing chunk yardage plays in the passing game...his game has more a possession type wr look to me given everythings 20 yards or less pretty much that i've seen...

i wouldn't touch him with our 2nd rounder i know that...

From NFL.com

Mohamed Sanu, WR, (6-1 5/8, 211) — Sanu, who caught 115 passes for 1,206 yards last season, was projected as a possible first-round pick by some but hurt his stock by running a 4.67-second 40-yard dash. At his pro day, he did everything over again, running the 40 in 4.55 and 4.54 seconds. He also had a 4.21-second short shuttle. He was worked out by one of the Saints scouts. Scouts said he had a very good workout, catching the ball well. He just doesn’t look like he gets a lot of separation when he’s going for it. He ran the first 10 yards of the 40 in 1.6 seconds.

Those last couple of sentences...not good. 1.6 seconds on your 10 yard split? That tells me he lacks that short area quickness to get separation at the LOS.

TedSlimmJr
04-02-2012, 03:43 PM
TedSlimmJr....I was recently having a conversation with a friend about RGIII and at the time it seemed very obvious that with the Skins trading up to number 2 that they would go after him...but now I am having some doubts..I thought that it was pretty interesting that you had Tannehil ahead of RGIII..can you give some insight on it? I have never been a fan of Griffin as a pro qb..and I like Ryan alot....I agreed with Ck about his funny release at times and he just does not pass the eye test with me as far as his build is concerned..Do you think there is any chance that Tannehil goes number 2 to the skins? They both ran some bootlegs in college and both throw the ball pretty good on the run but with Tannehil you get the pro level size...


I don't know who the Redskins want to draft at #2, and don't care. All I know is that I think Tannehill projects better to the NFL than Griffin does... no matter where they're drafted.

I pay close attention to footwork, that's where a quarterback is made. It is the source of accuracy.

Your footwork dominates everything that you do in any sport at any position... none moreso than the quarterback position. I like to see a QB's footwork tied in to what his eyes are seeing. If you understand the concepts of READ, PURE, and KEY progressions within the structure of a particular offense, focusing on the footwork alone will tell you whether the decision (throw) was correct or not based on the coverage, leverage, and the defender the quarterback was keying.

This becomes much more clouded when you're evaluating a QB who operates strictly from the shotgun, as footwork doesn't apply as much. It's not required in non-sophisticated passing offenses. College coaches are limited in the amount of practice time available to them (20 hours a week). They only coach what's essential to making their particular system work.

Baylor's offense under Art Briles is a very non-sophisticated system. It's a simple MOFO/MOFC "Read" key off the 4-verticals Run-&-Shoot concept. Switch and Choice might occassionally be the sight adjustments by the WR and QB. That right there tells you that there are no pure progressions in the offense. I could go further, but the point is that Griffin is going to have to learn progressions, and the proper footwork. After he learns these two, he then has to marry them together.

Everyone sees the highlights and thinks he's a franchise quarterback, but they don't understand what a project he is on a down-to-down basis. There's no question he's talented, and a supremely gifted athlete. But he gets sacked once every 14 dropbacks, which is by far the worst ratio of any of the top 10-15 QB's in this draft. It's because he runs himself into sacks trying to get outside the pocket. I don't like that.

Tannehill has better pocket presence and footwork, combined with understanding how to tie his footwork in to what his eyes are seeing. It's a result of playing under center in a pro-style, West Coast Offense. He was required to make more "NFL throws" on a down to down basis than any QB in this class other than Andrew Luck. "NFL throws" meaning, progression followed by the result of the throw having to be traced back to his footwork. It has nothing to do with arm strength, which is what most people think that means.

The bottom line for me is this... other than Andrew Luck, I don't see any "franchise" quarterbacks in this draft. People have become far too liberal with the terms "franchise" and "quarterback". It basically applies to any and every Big-12 quarterback that the media hypes up nowdays.

Beyond Luck, I see a bunch of quarterbacks that can be lumped into a couple of different tiers together for various reasons. But I don't see any franchise changers. There's nobody that I'm absolutely sold on, or would put my job on the line for.

I think a couple of these kids have a chance to end up decent starting quarterbacks if they're developed properly and are able to overcome their flaws through being students of the game and working at their craft.

Tunaphish429
04-02-2012, 03:59 PM
I don't know who the Redskins want to draft at #2, and don't care. All I know is that I think Tannehill projects better to the NFL than Griffin does... no matter where they're drafted.

I pay close attention to footwork, that's where a quarterback is made. It is the source of accuracy.

Your footwork dominates everything that you do in any sport at any position... none moreso than the quarterback position. I like to see a QB's footwork tied in to what his eyes are seeing. If you understand the concepts of READ, PURE, and KEY progressions within the structure of a particular offense, focusing on the footwork alone will tell you whether the decision (throw) was correct or not based on the coverage, leverage, and the defender the quarterback was keying.

This becomes much more clouded when you're evaluating a QB who operates strictly from the shotgun, as footwork doesn't apply as much. It's not required in non-sophisticated passing offenses. College coaches are limited in the amount of practice time available to them (20 hours a week). They only coach what's essential to making their particular system work.

Baylor's offense under Art Briles is a very non-sophisticated system. It's a simple MOFO/MOFC "Read" key off the 4-verticals Run-&-Shoot concept. Switch and Choice might occassionally be the sight adjustments by the WR and QB. That right there tells you that there are no pure progressions in the offense. I could go further, but the point is that Griffin is going to have to learn progressions, and the proper footwork. After he learns these two, he then has to marry them together.

Everyone sees the highlights and thinks he's a franchise quarterback, but they don't understand what a project he is on a down-to-down basis. There's no question he's talented, and a supremely gifted athlete. But he gets sacked once every 14 dropbacks, which is by far the worst ratio of any of the top 10-15 QB's in this draft. It's because he runs himself into sacks trying to get outside the pocket. I don't like that.

Tannehill has better pocket presence and footwork, combined with understanding how to tie his footwork in to what his eyes are seeing. It's a result of playing under center in a pro-style, West Coast Offense. He was required to make more "NFL throws" on a down to down basis than any QB in this class other than Andrew Luck. "NFL throws" meaning, progression followed by the result of the throw having to be traced back to his footwork. It has nothing to do with arm strength, which is what most people think that means.

The bottom line for me is this... other than Andrew Luck, I don't see any "franchise" quarterbacks in this draft. People have become far too liberal with the terms "franchise" and "quarterback". It basically applies to any and every Big-12 quarterback that the media hypes up nowdays.

Beyond Luck, I see a bunch of quarterbacks that can be lumped into a couple of different tiers together for various reasons. But I don't see any franchise changers. There's nobody that I'm absolutely sold on, or would put my job on the line for.

I think a couple of these kids have a chance to end up decent starting quarterbacks if they're developed properly and are able to overcome their flaws through being students of the game and working at their craft.

Thanks alot, you basically reinforced what I was already thinking about Griffin..I watched Tannehill vs LSU and I agree with you about his pocket presance....I also see him making checks at the line and calling out the blitzes...He does need to work on his footwork...He fails to step up into the pocket on blitzes at times and can be pretty inaccuracte when the ball comes out hot..Alot of high throws at times..But I def agree that Tannehill is going to be a better qb than Griffin..

datruth55
04-02-2012, 05:43 PM
Slimm, this list is regardless of scheme correct? This is not the order specifically for what Miami is looking for in their scheme offensively or defensively, right?

TedSlimmJr
04-02-2012, 09:21 PM
That's correct. Mine are always irrespective of what Miami is or isn't looking for.

Not only that, it's also usually irrespective of how their draft "stock" is perceived, or what order they supposed to come off the board.

When you start getting into specific scheme fits, a little juggling would take place.

For example, if a team runs a very aggressive system on defense with a lot of man coverage behind exotic blitzes, I might pass up my #4 ranked corner in favor of my #5 ranked corner simply because my #5 ranked corner is better at pure man coverage while my #4 corner is more suited for a zone scheme, etc.

datruth55
04-03-2012, 08:36 AM
That's correct. Mine are always irrespective of what Miami is or isn't looking for.

Not only that, it's also usually irrespective of how their draft "stock" is perceived, or what order they supposed to come off the board.

When you start getting into specific scheme fits, a little juggling would take place.

For example, if a team runs a very aggressive system on defense with a lot of man coverage behind exotic blitzes, I might pass up my #4 ranked corner in favor of my #5 ranked corner simply because my #5 ranked corner is better at pure man coverage while my #4 corner is more suited for a zone scheme, etc.
That's what I thought from the way you ordered them. I just wanted to confirm.

I've been spending some time looking at OL that would fit the ZBS that might be there for us in round 3 and later, that's what made me ask the question.

SMadison29
04-07-2012, 06:54 PM
16. Elvis Fisher / Missouri (could kick inside)

Fisher was granted a 6th year of eligibility back in February & is returning to Mizzou. He just sat out of spring practice with a knee injury.