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CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 07:30 PM
Even the NFL league knows how important a GM is to a franchise during this period of year. They even allowed Mickey Loomis to remain with the team during this time and suspend him later. So what the hell do you guys think would happen if we were to fire the GM now?

testtubetimmy
03-21-2012, 07:46 PM
Even the NFL league knows how important a GM is to a franchise during this period of year. They even allowed Mickey Loomis to remain with the team during this time and suspend him later. So what the hell do you guys think would happen if we were to fire the GM now?

Well the HOPE would be Ross brings in Bill Polian who then puts in place an infrastructure based on trust and skilled positions. Right now, no one trusts Ireland. Not the players, not the fans. He's the last hold out from the Parcells era, and we all know how brilliant that @$$hat is.

But this is Ross we're talking about. This team doesn't pay anyone what they're worth. Instead they try to get discounts. Yeah, well when you pay for chickens you end up with chicken Sh*t.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 07:51 PM
Well the HOPE would be Ross brings in Bill Polian who then puts in place an infrastructure based on trust and skilled positions. Right now, no one trusts Ireland. Not the players, not the fans. He's the last hold out from the Parcells era, and we all know how brilliant that @$$hat is.

But this is Ross we're talking about. This team doesn't pay anyone what they're worth. Instead they try to get discounts. Yeah, well when you pay for chickens you end up with chicken Sh*t.

Yeah, because the Polians left the Colts in such exemplary shape. You want to GM that build a team that completely collapse with one injury?

Ireland has had complete control for only one year. And he hit on all his draft picks. Including getting Reggie bush for nothing. I mean nothing. Everyone was bitching about not signing Ahmad Bradshaw. Who had a better year individually? Everyone was also crying about signing Moore Over Orton again who had a better year? As well as bitching about cutting Crowder, and signing Burnett. Again who had a better year. How about drafting Pouncey over Mallet. How many games did Mallet play last year? I can tell you that Poncey started day one!

Cleetus
03-21-2012, 07:52 PM
He won't be fired now so no worries.

JCane
03-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Yeah, because the Polians left the Colts in such exemplary shape. You want to GM that build a team that completely collapse with one injury?

And we're in such extraordinary shape currently lol.

testtubetimmy
03-21-2012, 08:11 PM
Yeah, because the Polians left the Colts in such exemplary shape. You want to GM that build a team that completely collapse with one injury?

Ireland has had complete control for only one year. And he hit on all his draft picks. Including getting Reggie bush for nothing. I mean nothing. Everyone was bitching about not signing Ahmad Bradshaw. Who had a better year individually? Everyone was also crying about signing Moore Over Orton again who had a better year? As well as bitching about cutting Crowder, and signing Burnett. Again who had a better year. How about drafting Pouncey over Mallet. How many games did Mallet play last year? I can tell you that Poncey started day one!

Yeah, those two superbowls? Yeah, we don't have to remember those. They weren't important at all.


You HAVE to be kidding about Mallet. How many games did he play? NONE BECAUSE HE'S A ROOKIE AND SITTING BEHIND TOM BRADY. As far as not biting for Orton, it's only because he's CHEAP.

The Dolphins mantra since Ireland has been there is scrounging the bottom of the barrel and hope we get something. Pay people for what you THINK they're worth because you're too afraid to take a risk.

You know what that gets us? A losing record. And we've only continued losing with him as our GM. You wanna blame Sparano, fine. But Sparano isn't out on the field. Ireland isn't either, except he put the players there.

The bottom line is selling tickets. When Ross realizes no one is buying any tickets whatsoever, he'll axe Ireland as a "business decision" which is 3 months too late if you ask me, because with the right GM behind our wheel, we might have looked a lot more appealing to Manning or Flynn.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 08:20 PM
And we're in such extraordinary shape currently lol.

Better than the COLTS.

Let's start on Defense

LE- Odrick- (Very Good Rookie Year)
RE- Cam Wake (Pro- Bowl)
DT- Solia (Pro-Bowl)
DT- Randy Starks (Pro-Bowl)
WLB- Burnett (Very Good First Year)
ILB- Karlos Dansby (One of the Best In the GAme)
SLB-Koa Missy (Needs lots of improvement)
CB-Vontae Davis(Has shown flashes to be very good)
CB- Sean Smith (Have shown Flashes to be very good)
CB- Richard Marshall (Played very well For Cardinals last year)
Safety 1 Reshad Jones (Played Well after coming back from Knee Injury)
Safety 2 Chris Clemons (Played well during the 1 year he started)

Without overpaying, and the draft still to go, please name me the available players we can upgrade with??

Offense
LT- Jake Long (Probowl)
LG- Richie Incognito (Serviceable)
C- (Future Probowler)
RG- ???
RT- Lyndon Murtha (Hasn't proven much, but some believe has potential, after filling in for Jake Long, can definitely upgrade)

QB Matt Moore (12th In Passer Rating, Can upgrade)
QB David Garrard (Former Probowler) Accounted for 28 total Td's, 64 %, 7.5 YPA. 90 QB rating. 70% scoring avg in the last two years.
WR-1 Brian Hartline (Need Upgrade)
WR-2 Davone Bess (Good To great Slot Guy)
WR-3 ????
WR-4 Gates (Don't know yet what we have as a receiver)
TE- Fasano (Steady, Good Blocker and can catch)
TE/HB Charles Clay (Very promising, had good rookie moments)
KR Emdon Gates (Top 10 Returner)
PR Davone Bess (Top 5 In yds Avg)

This is just my opinion, we are in much better shape than the frigging COLTS, who only won one game last year.

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 08:30 PM
Better than the COLTS.

Let's start on Defense

LE- Odrick- (Very Good Rookie Year)
RE- Cam Wake (Pro- Bowl)
DT- Solia (Pro-Bowl)
DT- Randy Starks (Pro-Bowl)
WLB- Burnett (Very Good First Year)
ILB- Karlos Dansby (One of the Best In the GAme)
SLB-Koa Missy (Needs lots of improvement)
CB-Vontae Davis(Has shown flashes to be very good)
CB- Sean Smith (Have shown Flashes to be very good)
CB- Richard Marshall (Played very well For Cardinals last year)
Safety 1 Reshad Jones (Played Well after coming back from Knee Injury)
Safety 2 Chris Clemons (Played well during the 1 year he started)

Without overpaying, and the draft still to go, please name me the available players we can upgrade with??

Offense
LT- Jake Long (Probowl)
LG- Richie Incognito (Serviceable)
C- (Future Probowler)
RG- ???
RT- Lyndon Murtha (Hasn't proven much, but some believe has potential, after filling in for Jake Long, can definitely upgrade)

QB Matt Moore (12th In Passer Rating, Can upgrade)
QB David Garrard (Former Probowler) Accounted for 28 total Td's, 64 %, 7.5 YPA. 90 QB rating. 70% scoring avg in the last two years.
WR-1 Brian Hartline (Need Upgrade)
WR-2 Davone Bess (Good To great Slot Guy)
WR-3 ????
WR-4 Gates (Don't know yet what we have as a receiver)
TE- Fasano (Steady, Good Blocker and can catch)
TE/HB Charles Clay (Very promising, had good rookie moments)
KR Emdon Gates (Top 10 Returner)
PR Davone Bess (Top 5 In yds Avg)

This is just my opinion, we are in much better shape than the frigging COLTS, who only won one game last year.Um, we better be in better shape considering they will be picking first. Way to go out on a limb.

Speaking of going out on a limb, sig bet: the Colts are back in the playoffs before the Dolphins.

Vertical Limit
03-21-2012, 08:34 PM
He won't be fired now so no worries.
No worries? We're ****ed if he stays.

Mogwai
03-21-2012, 08:41 PM
Better than the COLTS.

Let's start on Defense

LE- Odrick- (Very Good Rookie Year)
RE- Cam Wake (Pro- Bowl)
DT- Solia (Pro-Bowl)
DT- Randy Starks (Pro-Bowl)
WLB- Burnett (Very Good First Year)
ILB- Karlos Dansby (One of the Best In the GAme)
SLB-Koa Missy (Needs lots of improvement)
CB-Vontae Davis(Has shown flashes to be very good)
CB- Sean Smith (Have shown Flashes to be very good)
CB- Richard Marshall (Played very well For Cardinals last year)
Safety 1 Reshad Jones (Played Well after coming back from Knee Injury)
Safety 2 Chris Clemons (Played well during the 1 year he started)

Without overpaying, and the draft still to go, please name me the available players we can upgrade with??

Offense
LT- Jake Long (Probowl)
LG- Richie Incognito (Serviceable)
C- (Future Probowler)
RG- ???
RT- Lyndon Murtha (Hasn't proven much, but some believe has potential, after filling in for Jake Long, can definitely upgrade)

QB Matt Moore (12th In Passer Rating, Can upgrade)
QB David Garrard (Former Probowler) Accounted for 28 total Td's, 64 %, 7.5 YPA. 90 QB rating. 70% scoring avg in the last two years.
WR-1 Brian Hartline (Need Upgrade)
WR-2 Davone Bess (Good To great Slot Guy)
WR-3 ????
WR-4 Gates (Don't know yet what we have as a receiver)
TE- Fasano (Steady, Good Blocker and can catch)
TE/HB Charles Clay (Very promising, had good rookie moments)
KR Emdon Gates (Top 10 Returner)
PR Davone Bess (Top 5 In yds Avg)

This is just my opinion, we are in much better shape than the frigging COLTS, who only won one game last year.Great, we compare favorably to a historically ****ty team. I'll tell you this, after they take Luck, I would trade rosters with them in a heartbeat.

tylerdolphin
03-21-2012, 08:41 PM
I think there should be a limit on how many times you can be wrong and still start threads.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 08:49 PM
Yeah, those two superbowls? Yeah, we don't have to remember those. They weren't important at all.


You HAVE to be kidding about Mallet. How many games did he play? NONE BECAUSE HE'S A ROOKIE AND SITTING BEHIND TOM BRADY. As far as not biting for Orton, it's only because he's CHEAP.

The Dolphins mantra since Ireland has been there is scrounging the bottom of the barrel and hope we get something. Pay people for what you THINK they're worth because you're too afraid to take a risk.

You know what that gets us? A losing record. And we've only continued losing with him as our GM. You wanna blame Sparano, fine. But Sparano isn't out on the field. Ireland isn't either, except he put the players there.

The bottom line is selling tickets. When Ross realizes no one is buying any tickets whatsoever, he'll axe Ireland as a "business decision" which is 3 months too late if you ask me, because with the right GM behind our wheel, we might have looked a lot more appealing to Manning or Flynn.

Listen I know all about Polian and his team participating in 6 Superbowls. My only point was, he didn't leave the team in the best shape. And yes they went to two superbowls. **** if we had Peyton for all that time we probably would have went to a few as well.

I'm only pointing out the fact that IRELAND in his one year didn't to so bad. And the goal of drafting in the first round is usually to get someone that can help you immediately.

So I guess being cheap has it's advantages, because that would have been a disaster to pay what Orton agents were asking for.

So paying Marshall 50 Million, Dansby close to $50 million is scrounging the bottom of the barrel ?? How many big money F.A. did the Giants sign last year ? How about GB the year before? And the Steelers the year before that? How many years did Ted Thompson get?

Who do you suggest we bring in as a GM? For as great Jeff Fisher is, and all the contacts he has around the league he ended up with wait for it. Les Snead. You really can tell me with a straight face that he has accomplished more than Ireland.

So who's opinion should I hold in higher regards? Yours or Fisher? Because Fisher thought so much of Ireland that he wanted to bring him to St. Louis

It's cool if we are winning the will buy the tickets, if we are not they will not, it's a simple as that. I'm kinda of getting the feeling you hope we are so bad, as to not sell tickets, so you can stick it to the owner. Hillarious. Wether we sell tickets or not Ross will still be making money because the NFL is the modern day socialism at it's best. All owners share in the revenue.

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 08:51 PM
Listen I know all about Polian and his team participating in 6 Superbowls. My only point was, he didn't leave the team in the best shape. And yes the went to two superbowls, not won two.

I'm only pointing out the fact that IRELAND in his one year didn't to so bad. And the goal of drafting in the first round is usually to get someone that can help you immediately.

So I guess being cheap has it's advantages, because that would have a disaster to pay what Orton agents were asking for.

So paying Marshall 50 Million, Dansby close to 50 is scrounging the bottom of the barrel ??

Who do you suggest we bring in as a GM? For as great Jeff Fisher is, and all the contacts he has around the league he ended up with wait for it. Les Snead. You really can tell me with a straight face that he has accomplished more than Ireland.

So who's opinion should I hold in higher regards? Yours or Fisher? Because Fisher thought so much of Ireland that he wanted to bring him to St. Louis

It's cool if we are winning the will buy the tickets, if we are not they will not, it's a simple as that. I'm kinda of getting the feeling you hope we are so bad so you can stick it to the owner. Hillarious.I always love this excuse for not firing ****ty coaches and GMs. Let Fisher have him. He clearly has good judgement in choosing staff...

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 08:55 PM
I think there should be a limit on how many times you can be wrong and still start threads.

Thank god, you don't own or run this site, I would have been banned by now.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 08:56 PM
I always love this excuse for not firing ****ty coaches and GMs. Let Fisher have him. He clearly has good judgement in choosing staff...

So you can think of anyone to bring in either ?

tylerdolphin
03-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Thank god, you don't own or run this site, I would have been banned by now.

If you had done something that was worth banning you over, I would ban you. You havent so I havent banned you. Not sure what your point is :idk:

tylerdolphin
03-21-2012, 08:58 PM
So you can think of anyone to bring in either ?

So clearly we should keep a ****ty GM just because Gonzo from ****ing Canada doesnt have a list of candidates right off the top of his head.

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 09:01 PM
So you can think of anyone to bring in either ?We'll see who's available next year. I remember being asked, "who will replace Sparano?" Didn't seem to have a problem finding a coach outside of Ireland keeping a few away.

If you own a business, do you not fire ****ty employees because you can't think of somebody to replace him? It's not that difficult.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 09:02 PM
If you had done something that was worth banning you over, I would ban you. You havent so I havent banned you. Not sure what your point is
:idk:

I didn't think we were keeping scores on how many times a member has been wrong or not. I don't know where in my post was my opinion on myself trying to be right or wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. And you follow my comments with suggesting I shouldn't start any more threads. And since you're counting, I have a bad memory can you PM on all the things I've been wrong on ?

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 09:02 PM
So clearly we should keep a ****ty GM just because Gonzo from ****ing Canada doesnt have a list of candidates right off the top of his head.I'm from Phoenix. Not that that is any better.

And I'm working on my list of 2013 available GMs as we speak. Patience!

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 09:03 PM
I didn't think we were keeping scores on how many times a member has been wrong or not. I don't know where in my post was my opinion on myself trying to be right or wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. And you follow my comments with suggesting I shouldn't start any more threads. And since you're counting, I have a bad memory can you PM on all the things I've been wrong on ?1. Thinking Ireland is a good GM.

tylerdolphin
03-21-2012, 09:04 PM
I didn't think we were keeping scores on how many times a member has been wrong or not. I don't know where in my post was my opinion on myself trying to be right or wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. And you follow my comments with suggesting I shouldn't start any more threads. And since you're counting, I have a bad memory can you PM on all the things I've been wrong on ?

Im just saying...every time you start a thread its bashing the naysayers and so far the naysayers have been on the money. Should I link the "Taking Names" thread?

Fin Fan in Cali
03-21-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm from Phoenix. Not that that is any better.

And I'm working on my list of 2013 available GMs as we speak. Patience!Thanks Bro. I look forward to it. Ireland needs to go so we can begin to draft and acquire game breakers, because the Miami Dolphins need some real excitement.

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Thanks Bro. I look forward to it. Ireland needs to go so we can begin to draft and acquire game breakers, because the Miami Dolphins need some real excitement.:lol: I'm not really. I'm drinking a beer and studying for a bio exam.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 09:10 PM
Im just saying...every time you start a thread its bashing the naysayers and so far the naysayers have been on the money. Should I link the "Taking Names" thread?

Wow, I made one thread bashing the naysayers and I've already admitted to being wrong and apologize for that.

And are my facts wrong for stating Ireland in his full year being a GM did good. ??

All his draft picks are currently on the roster and contributed. He brought in the 1st 1,000 yd rusher since 2008 season. Had a Back up QB that played decent. Only one QB since Dan had a better rating than him. Didn't give the bank for Orton. Replace Crowder for Burnett. If those facts means his a bad GM in your eyes, that's cool, I just don't believe that to be the case.

And let for once and for all say it, Yes the naysayers have been kicking the homers asses in every way possible. They are always right. So, because of that, I should just stick my head up my ass, and keep my mouth shut, and simply just stop making threads.

ojmcduffy
03-21-2012, 09:16 PM
I just don't think the timing is right. Ireland has studied this draft class for a year. He knows our needs. You are not going to find a guy in a day or two who can come in and take over. who will have more inside knowledge to this draft than ireland.
He has made some good moves. Is he to be ran out of town for not over paying for a 37 year old qb whose had 4 neck surgerys. Maybe he should have went all in for flynn. Philbin coached the guy for a few years so he'd know if flynn had it. Maybe it's not landing alex smith. The truth is alex smith was just using us to exhort money from the niners.
Snap judgments aren't the way to heal this franchise. The problem is our owner and gm are socially inept. They do not interact with others well. Like that chick you know that freaking gorgeous but shes so much of a bitch you can't stand to be in the same room with her. Thats ireland and ross. The only reason i have this insight is I myself suffer from the scourge that is social ineptness.

Gonzo
03-21-2012, 09:18 PM
Wow, I made one thread bashing the naysayers and I've already admitted to being wrong and apologize for that.

And are my facts wrong for stating Ireland in his full year being a GM did good. ??

All his draft picks are currently on the roster and contributed. He brought in the 1st 1,000 yd rusher since 2008 season. Had a Back up QB that played decent. Only one QB since Dan had a better rating than him. Didn't give the bank for Orton. Replace Crowder for Burnett. If those facts means his a bad GM in your eyes, that's cool, I just don't believe that to be the case.Yes.

All his draft picks are on the roster and contributed on a 6-10 team. Awesome. And let's correct some stuff, he didn't give the bank for Orton because Ross nixed it. Burnett sucked for at least half the year and he had to draft a C in the first round because he created the hole in the first place. And now we have to do the same with WR and that same backup will likely be starting for us again this year. He had the second best QB rating since Dan left? That's high praise!

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/03/GetintheCage1-1.jpg

Phins28
03-21-2012, 09:22 PM
I'm from Phoenix. Not that that is any better.

And I'm working on my list of 2013 available GMs as we speak. Patience!

Is Eric DeCosta on your list? he's my top candidate.

tylerdolphin
03-21-2012, 09:24 PM
6-10. Nothing else to say. And I fail to see how this draft class was so great. Pouncey, a very very very average at best Thomas, a few plays from Clay, a few from Wilson...nothing much there. Pouncey was a safe pick and nobody else made any real serious impact.

GMET1986
03-21-2012, 09:28 PM
Better than the COLTS.

Let's start on Defense

LE- Odrick- (Very Good Rookie Year)
RE- Cam Wake (Pro- Bowl)
DT- Solia (Pro-Bowl)
DT- Randy Starks (Pro-Bowl)
WLB- Burnett (Very Good First Year)
ILB- Karlos Dansby (One of the Best In the GAme)
SLB-Koa Missy (Needs lots of improvement)
CB-Vontae Davis(Has shown flashes to be very good)
CB- Sean Smith (Have shown Flashes to be very good)
CB- Richard Marshall (Played very well For Cardinals last year)
Safety 1 Reshad Jones (Played Well after coming back from Knee Injury)
Safety 2 Chris Clemons (Played well during the 1 year he started)

Without overpaying, and the draft still to go, please name me the available players we can upgrade with??

Offense
LT- Jake Long (Probowl)
LG- Richie Incognito (Serviceable)
C- (Future Probowler)
RG- ???
RT- Lyndon Murtha (Hasn't proven much, but some believe has potential, after filling in for Jake Long, can definitely upgrade)

QB Matt Moore (12th In Passer Rating, Can upgrade)
QB David Garrard (Former Probowler) Accounted for 28 total Td's, 64 %, 7.5 YPA. 90 QB rating. 70% scoring avg in the last two years.
WR-1 Brian Hartline (Need Upgrade)
WR-2 Davone Bess (Good To great Slot Guy)
WR-3 ????
WR-4 Gates (Don't know yet what we have as a receiver)
TE- Fasano (Steady, Good Blocker and can catch)
TE/HB Charles Clay (Very promising, had good rookie moments)
KR Emdon Gates (Top 10 Returner)
PR Davone Bess (Top 5 In yds Avg)

This is just my opinion, we are in much better shape than the frigging COLTS, who only won one game last year.

Odrick was injured his rookie year lol....You overrate Fasano...hes a TE#2 at best, Koa MISI is a clear bust for a 2nd round pick, Pat White (2nd Round) is a bust, Phillip Merling (2nd Rd Pick) was cut...a bust...AND Lydon Murtha was our backup RT...John Jerry is suppose to be our RT or RG next year as a starter....

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 09:31 PM
Yes.

All his draft picks are on the roster and contributed on a 6-10 team. Awesome. And let's correct some stuff, he didn't give the bank for Orton because Ross nixed it. Burnett sucked for at least half the year and he had to draft a C in the first round because he created the hole in the first place. And now we have to do the same with WR and that same backup will likely be starting for us again this year. He had the second best QB rating since Dan left? That's high praise!

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/03/GetintheCage1-1.jpg

It's the rookies fault we ended up 6-10.

Burnett had no off-season, signed right at the start of TC. Had to learn the ILB of Mike Nolan's Multiple Defense. Having to face the top offenses in the league in the first 4 weeks of the season. He should have just played great right of the bat.

If Ross did step in to nix the deal with Orton, I applaud that, because, last time I check he was a complete Idiot of a owner who doesn't know ****.

Yeah it's Moore, fault we had so many garbage Qb's so the fact that he played decent, we should just disregard that.

GMET1986
03-21-2012, 09:32 PM
John Elways gets a 4th and 6th round pick by giving up a QB with below average passing stats, while Jeff Ireland gives up a Record Setting Pro Bowl caliber WR to get a mere two 3rd round picks.....

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 09:48 PM
Odrick was injured his rookie year lol....You overrate Fasano...hes a TE#2 at best, Koa MISI is a clear bust for a 2nd round pick, Pat White (2nd Round) is a bust, Phillip Merling (2nd Rd Pick) was cut...a bust...AND Lydon Murtha was our backup RT...John Jerry is suppose to be our RT or RG next year as a starter....

You can laugh all you want, but since he was hurt his Rookie, last year was considered HIS Rookie year. How did I overated Fasano? Is he not considered one of the best blocking TE in the league, and can he not catch? Koa Misi is a bust. White is no longer on the team don't need to beat that dead horse on the head, Merling was not Cut, he signed a contract, and no one has yet to say Jerry will be starting as our RG or RT next year. Now, if I would have said that about Jerry, you would have been all down my throat on that. The only way at Murtha doesn't star at almost 2 million dollar contract is injury..

mi2cents
03-21-2012, 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=ojmcduffy;1064260766]I just don't think the timing is right. Ireland has studied this draft class for a year. He knows our needs. You are not going to find a guy in a day or two who can come in and take over. who will have more inside knowledge to this draft than ireland. As far as the draft goes... I know 3 guys over at Universal draft who could come in just for the draft knowledge to handle that task.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 09:53 PM
John Elways gets a 4th and 6th round pick by giving up a QB with below average passing stats, while Jeff Ireland gives up a Record Setting Pro Bowl caliber WR to get a mere two 3rd round picks.....

Two thirds equal a 2nd which is what we gave up for him in the first place, since Ireland got that second rounder back the very next draft.

dlockz
03-21-2012, 09:58 PM
Yeah, because the Polians left the Colts in such exemplary shape. You want to GM that build a team that completely collapse with one injury?

Ireland has had complete control for only one year. And he hit on all his draft picks. Including getting Reggie bush for nothing. I mean nothing. Everyone was bitching about not signing Ahmad Bradshaw. Who had a better year individually? Everyone was also crying about signing Moore Over Orton again who had a better year? As well as bitching about cutting Crowder, and signing Burnett. Again who had a better year. How about drafting Pouncey over Mallet. How many games did Mallet play last year? I can tell you that Poncey started day one!

I know you are not implying that Ireland has been a better gm than Polian. I guess you forgot he drafted Mannning, James, Harrison, Freeney, Wayne, Clark and built the Buffalo team that went to 4 straight superbowls. Also How are you going to say Pouncey was better when he didnt have the best center of all time preventing him from playing like Mallet did at Qb.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 10:01 PM
6-10. Nothing else to say. And I fail to see how this draft class was so great. Pouncey, a very very very average at best Thomas, a few plays from Clay, a few from Wilson...nothing much there. Pouncey was a safe pick and nobody else made any real serious impact.

When was the last time all our draft picks made an active roster??

You may not think it was that great, but ask any football professional person, how successful is a draft were all the selections made an active day roster, and get back to me on what they answer is.

As a matter of fact I'm sure someone on this site has the numbers on how hard it for every draft pick to make an active roster. And by all accounts last year the average grade for the draft was a B. I could be wrong on that.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 10:03 PM
I know you are not implying that Ireland has been a better gm than Polian. I guess you forgot he drafted Mannning, James, Harrison, Freeney, Wayne, Clark and built the Buffalo team that went to 4 straight superbowls. Also How are you going to say Pouncey was better when he didnt have the best center of all time preventing him from playing like Mallet did at Qb.

How crazy do you really think I am. Of course he's not when did I even imply that ? He took 6 different teams to super bowls. You don't have to educate me on Polian.

dlockz
03-21-2012, 10:14 PM
How crazy do you really think I am. Of course he's not when did I even imply that ? He took 6 different teams to super bowls. You don't have to educate me on Polian.

Well you are crazydolfan and you did say do you want a gm that builds a team that collapsed with one injurey, I would take that over a gm that has three straight losing seasons. Also just for knowledge our 2007 team had all the picks make the roster so not so sure thats a great sign and Kearse made another roster couldnt make ours.

dlockz
03-21-2012, 10:15 PM
When was the last time all our draft picks made an active roster??

You may not think it was that great, but ask any football professional person, how successful is a draft were all the selections made an active day roster, and get back to me on what they answer is.

As a matter of fact I'm sure someone on this site has the numbers on how hard it for every draft pick to make an active roster. And by all accounts last year the average grade for the draft was a B. I could be wrong on that.

So 2007 was a great draft by this standard

Fin Fan in Cali
03-21-2012, 10:28 PM
:lol: I'm not really. I'm drinking a beer and studying for a bio exam.:ffic: Me too but with no exam tomorrow.

Fin Fan in Cali
03-21-2012, 10:30 PM
Is Eric DeCosta on your list? he's my top candidate.Brother mine too, he just signed a new contract I believe. I think he would be a total upgrade over Ireland.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-21-2012, 10:30 PM
So 2007 was a great draft by this standard

No I'm not, but that draft still ended up with 4 Starters. Including the Fields who had a pro-bowl type season last year.

dlockz
03-21-2012, 11:12 PM
No I'm not, but that draft still ended up with 4 Starters. Including the Fields who had a pro-bowl type season last year.

Still when you draft three guys high combined that were worth a 4th and 5th round pick in your first three rounds thats a horrible draft. Ill take a wait and see and last years draft because I see only one long term starter in that draft Pouncey. You need more than that.

fishbanger
03-21-2012, 11:12 PM
I think GM does a good job drafting for value and will draft good players. However he needs to look at the big picture and figure out that the team needs to win and get in the playoffs. Thats why I think we need someone working in the office who knows football, played football for the Miami dolphins and is respected by the fans and players. That person should be given power over the GM or be made the GM.

Finfan0120
03-21-2012, 11:17 PM
Who cares? Next season is gone anyway. Might as well remove the tumor so the body can recover. And people talk about Marshall being a cancer, he was like the wonderdrug compared to FIRELAND!!!

Phanatical
03-21-2012, 11:19 PM
I like the moves Ireland made last year (except Columbo) and so far this year. Firing him would be idiotic and would set our team back.

JCane
03-21-2012, 11:20 PM
So you can think of anyone to bring in either ?

JCane is way ahead of you...again.

I do recall starting a thread of potential GM candidates during the 2011 season. Sparano was on the hot seat and Ireland was right there with him. Many thought both would be canned. I offered up four potential GM candidates...two of which got jobs and/or promotions during the offseason I believe.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?308073-Darkhorse-GM-Candidates

Here's another prediction: You will be wrong...again.

JCane
03-21-2012, 11:27 PM
I didn't think we were keeping scores on how many times a member has been wrong or not. I don't know where in my post was my opinion on myself trying to be right or wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. And you follow my comments with suggesting I shouldn't start any more threads. And since you're counting, I have a bad memory can you PM on all the things I've been wrong on ?

I'll just post some of it here...


Just so we can have a thread for future reference. There's so much Dolphins hatred on this site, I decided we should compile a list. The list consist of, a member you know on this forum that

A) Thinks the Dolphins will finish no better than 6-10 CHECK
B) Chad Henne sucks CHECK
C) Henne has zero chance of getting better this year CHECK
D) Our O-line is going to be horrendous CHECK
E)Jeff Ireland Sucks CHECK
F)Sparano Sucks CHECK
G)After one pre-season game, highlights only the negatives and thinks we are doomed.CHECK
H)Any other negative venom they use to convince us we should realize how bad of a team we have.

1.Dolph N.Fan
2.Yessir
3.WVdolphan
4.JCane
5??? Who else am I missing

How about this gem that you posted on 09.26.2011?


And you absolutely have that right. But I caution you to temper your enthusiam because. Its only a quarter of the season so far. And when we beat San Diego, than the Jets than the Broncos, just please come back.

And then failed to come back for several weeks like you asked us to do when we beat the Chargers, Jets, and Broncos?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/03/6xqet5-1.png

Fin Fan in Cali
03-21-2012, 11:39 PM
Can you name three game breakers that Ireland has drafted?

JCane
03-21-2012, 11:53 PM
Can you name three game breakers that Ireland has drafted?

I've been pretty reserved with my criticisms of Jeff Ireland. Not once have I said that we should fire him but this offseason has caused me to question some of his decisions.

But to answer your question, no, I cannot name any gamebreakers that he has drafted.

However, I am still hopeful for Daniel Thomas. Personally, I love that kid and I hope he can put it together this season if nothing else.

I'm also hopeful that Ireland will take T.Y. Hilton or Joe Adams in the draft. These two are potential gamebreakers.

Coby Fleener is a definite gamebreaker...hopefully Ireland takes a shot at him if he's available when we pick in the second round.

Fin Fan in Cali
03-21-2012, 11:56 PM
I've been pretty reserved with my criticisms of Jeff Ireland. Not once have I said that we should fire him but this offseason has caused me to question some of his decisions.

But to answer your question, no, I cannot name any gamebreakers that he has drafted.

However, I am still hopeful for Daniel Thomas. Personally, I love that kid and I hope he can put it together this season if nothing else.

I'm also hopeful that Ireland will take T.Y. Hilton or Joe Adams in the draft. These two are potential gamebreakers.

Coby Fleener is a definite gamebreaker...hopefully Ireland takes a shot at him if he's available when we pick in the second round.I hope he drafts like his career depends on it. In my opinion he should been fired with Tony, especially the way he threw him under the bus.

JCane
03-22-2012, 12:06 AM
I hope he drafts like his career depends on it. In my opinion he should been fired with Tony, especially the way he threw him under the bus.

I thought he would be fired for sure. That's why I started that thread about darkhorse GM candidates. Seemed like a foregone conclusion at that point.

But I've always felt like Ireland was sort of the odd man out. He was either in the shadows of Parcells and not really "the man" in the war room, or Sparano was goofing it up in practice and on gamedays. So I never really seen Ireland as the guy who was calling shots. And I think this past draft was our best draft thus far. Pouncey is a stud. Still a lot of room for Daniel Thomas to improve as well.

Phanatical
03-22-2012, 12:09 AM
I think the Dolphins have done quite well this offseason.

They've added a Pro-bowl QB (Garrard) to replace Henne. UPGRADE>

They added Hicks and let Columbo go. I would be an upgrade over Columbo. They have Garner and Jerry who are also both upgrades who didn't get much playing time last year. UPGRADE

They added B. Marshall at safety and we desparately needed help there. UPGRADE.

They added a DE threat in Westerman to replace the old, broken and overrated J. Taylor. UPGRADE

They added a stud RB from the Canadian League, Jerome Messam, that might just be Wake part 2. UPGRADE

They replaced fist pump Sparano with Philbin. Anybody would have been an upgrade there. UPGRADE

They avoided the Fisher/Williams fiasco. UPGRADE

Finally, they got rid of Marshall who is probably going to be suspended and got two additional third round picks.. They still need to replace Marshall, but FA and the Draft aren't over yet. BIG DOWNGRADE

I think they've done a good job. No, they didn't land Manning but neither did the 8 or so other teams that tried to land him. So what. I believe they are on the right track.

tylerdolphin
03-22-2012, 02:58 AM
I think the Dolphins have done quite well this offseason.

They've added a Pro-bowl QB (Garrard) to replace Henne. UPGRADE>

Stopped reading there. Moore is far better than Garrard.

Pinkboy
03-22-2012, 03:09 AM
colts with luck >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dolphins without luck


colts fans are very excited for the future (they even have tons of cap space to work with), while dolfans are protesting the team headquarters with no end in sight to the misery.


The Colts are in far FAR better shape for sustainable success in the future, compared to the clowns in miami management.


Anyone who doesn't see that is clueless and out to lunch

JCane
03-22-2012, 03:11 AM
colts with luck >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dolphins without luck


colts fans are very excited for the future (they even have tons of cap space to work with), while dolfans are protesting the team headquarters with no end in sight to the misery.


Anyone who doesn't see that is clueless and out to lunch

"Let it play out."

Myles Fynch
03-22-2012, 03:22 AM
Stopped reading there. Moore is far better than Garrard.

Over/under on Garrard going on IR... Week 6 if he's playing, TBD if he's holding a clipboard.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-22-2012, 01:01 PM
I'll just post some of it here...



How about this gem that you posted on 09.26.2011?



And then failed to come back for several weeks like you asked us to do when we beat the Chargers, Jets, and Broncos?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/03/6xqet5-1.png

Wow. Brah I was here before you, and will probably be here long after you gone. My inactivity on this don't have **** to do with you. Stop acting like you hard on ****ing message board. And one more thing, did not come on here and said I was wrong. But yet, you refuse to let it go. I'm glad you can continue to find solace in the horrible season we had. Good for you.

SuperMarksBros.
03-22-2012, 02:15 PM
I like the moves Ireland made last year (except Columbo) and so far this year. Firing him would be idiotic and would set our team back.
Back from what?

erralyn
03-22-2012, 02:56 PM
Wow. Brah I was here before you, and will probably be here long after you gone. My inactivity on this don't have **** to do with you. Stop acting like you hard on ****ing message board. And one more thing, did not come on here and said I was wrong. But yet, you refuse to let it go. I'm glad you can continue to find solace in the horrible season we had. Good for you.

Don't think he was saying you were being inactive. I think he was pointing out that when you make a statement like that expecting people to show up after you prove them wrong, it's kind of expected that you show up when you're proven wrong.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-22-2012, 04:27 PM
Don't think he was saying you were being inactive. I think he was pointing out that when you make a statement like that expecting people to show up after you prove them wrong, it's kind of expected that you show up when you're proven wrong.

But I did show up and admit I was wrong, I was not aware of a specific time frame which I had to. We were not half way through the season yet.

NY8123
03-22-2012, 04:58 PM
I've been pretty reserved with my criticisms of Jeff Ireland. Not once have I said that we should fire him but this offseason has caused me to question some of his decisions.

But to answer your question, no, I cannot name any gamebreakers that he has drafted.

However, I am still hopeful for Daniel Thomas. Personally, I love that kid and I hope he can put it together this season if nothing else.

I'm also hopeful that Ireland will take T.Y. Hilton or Joe Adams in the draft. These two are potential gamebreakers.

Coby Fleener is a definite gamebreaker...hopefully Ireland takes a shot at him if he's available when we pick in the second round.


I was too until this off season. All I can say is the man better do what Brother Cali suggested and draft like his career depends on it because it does.

NY8123
03-22-2012, 04:59 PM
But I did show up and admit I was wrong, I was not aware of a specific time frame which I had to. We were not half way through the season yet.

Nah man there isn't any time frame on owning up just as long as you do it lol.

JCane
03-22-2012, 05:19 PM
Wow. Brah I was here before you, and will probably be here long after you gone. My inactivity on this don't have **** to do with you. Stop acting like you hard on ****ing message board. And one more thing, did not come on here and said I was wrong. But yet, you refuse to let it go. I'm glad you can continue to find solace in the horrible season we had. Good for you.

You talk about me being "hard" on a message boar and then talk about you've been here longer than me and will be here long after me.

Laughable.

I was just giving you the same treatment you would have given me had we actually beaten the Chargers, Jets, and Broncos. Had that happened and I didn't reply within a day, you would have came after me.

And I'm glad you can continue to act like you know how I feel about the season. I find solace in laughing at every single time that you're wrong lol. Unfortunately, you're always wrong about how good we more going to be because you're incapable of removing your emotions and evaluating this team. I am completely capable of removing all emotion. And that's why I had us penciled in at 5-11.

Stop getting so angry. Calm down, kid.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-22-2012, 06:36 PM
You talk about me being "hard" on a message boar and then talk about you've been here longer than me and will be here long after me.

Laughable.

I was just giving you the same treatment you would have given me had we actually beaten the Chargers, Jets, and Broncos. Had that happened and I didn't reply within a day, you would have came after me.

I've been for 10 yrs I have never went after anyone about anything they have said, except for NYJunc. I don't personally attack

And I'm glad you can continue to act like you know how I feel about the season. I find solace in laughing at every single time that you're wrong lol. Unfortunately, you're always wrong about how good we more going to be because you're incapable of removing your emotions and evaluating this team. I am completely capable of removing all emotion. And that's why I had us penciled in at 5-11.

Stop getting so angry. Calm down, kid.

I've been for 10 yrs I have never went after anyone about anything they have said, except for NYJunc. I don't personally attack anyone. And here you go again about not removing my emotions out and evaluating the team. I do that everyday.

Chad Henne going into his fourth way was not out of the realm of possibility of him being able to play better, which in my opinion he was starting to do before his injury.

I don't think Ireland is as bad as he is being portray. I list his first full year of accomplishments as the GM, and you go some other place with that.

Adam Strange
03-22-2012, 06:57 PM
You talk about me being "hard" on a message boar and then talk about you've been here longer than me and will be here long after me.

Laughable.

I was just giving you the same treatment you would have given me had we actually beaten the Chargers, Jets, and Broncos. Had that happened and I didn't reply within a day, you would have came after me.

And I'm glad you can continue to act like you know how I feel about the season. I find solace in laughing at every single time that you're wrong lol. Unfortunately, you're always wrong about how good we more going to be because you're incapable of removing your emotions and evaluating this team. I am completely capable of removing all emotion. And that's why I had us penciled in at 5-11.

Stop getting so angry. Calm down, kid.
Bravo, sir-- this line should be stickied at the top of the forum.

JCane
03-22-2012, 07:17 PM
I've been for 10 yrs I have never went after anyone about anything they have said, except for NYJunc. I don't personally attack anyone. And here you go again about not removing my emotions out and evaluating the team. I do that everyday.

Chad Henne going into his fourth way was not out of the realm of possibility of him being able to play better, which in my opinion he was starting to do before his injury.

I don't think Ireland is as bad as he is being portray. I list his first full year of accomplishments as the GM, and you go some other place with that.

Chad Henne never had it.

And I assume you failed to read my other posts in this thread where I said that I've never came after Jeff Ireland and even explained why.

You are most certainly not capable of removing your emotions. If you were you'd be capable of pointing out the negatives of this team. It's not that you're positive but rather you spin everything. You find ways to lie to yourself and convince yourself that we're making the playoffs, etc. And then when I tell you the truth about the team, you get mad and call me a hater and on top of that, you're genuinely surprised that we aren't very good.

flynryan15
03-22-2012, 07:31 PM
Two thirds equal a 2nd which is what we gave up for him in the first place, since Ireland got that second rounder back the very next draft.

Roflmao! No they equal two third round draft picks! He got a second back by moving back, but wait Parcells was still here so did Ireland really move back? After all this board is back to blaming Tuna for the Marshall trade! Moved back and picked up a 3-4 end because you can never have enough of those! Once again passing up impact players like Earl Thomas. By the way Dansby is not on of the best in the game, he has never made the Popularity Bowl hell he isn't even the best in our division and he wasn't a Ireland move because in his signing presser he said he came here because Tuna.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-22-2012, 11:27 PM
Roflmao! No they equal two third round draft picks! He got a second back by moving back, but wait Parcells was still here so did Ireland really move back? After all this board is back to blaming Tuna for the Marshall trade! Moved back and picked up a 3-4 end because you can never have enough of those! Once again passing up impact players like Earl Thomas. By the way Dansby is not on of the best in the game, he has never made the Popularity Bowl hell he isn't even the best in our division and he wasn't a Ireland move because in his signing presser he said he came here because Tuna.

Ever heard of the value chart that Jimmy Johnson created ? Yeah two 3 Round Picks Equal One 2nd Round picks. It's not my opinion, it's a FACT.. And yeah that 3-4 end allowed us to have a replacement for Kendall Langford, so losing our starting DE, didn't create a hole.

http://drafttek.com/tradechart.html -- VALUE CHART.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
03-22-2012, 11:36 PM
Chad Henne never had it.

And I assume you failed to read my other posts in this thread where I said that I've never came after Jeff Ireland and even explained why.

You are most certainly not capable of removing your emotions. If you were you'd be capable of pointing out the negatives of this team. It's not that you're positive but rather you spin everything. You find ways to lie to yourself and convince yourself that we're making the playoffs, etc. And then when I tell you the truth about the team, you get mad and call me a hater and on top of that, you're genuinely surprised that we aren't very good.

Right! This is the personal attack non-sense that be pissing me the **** off. When you make blanket statements like that "I find ways to lie to myself and convince myself". How do I spin anything. I just state the facts.

The fact was we were coming back with Henne. And the fact was the most QB's come into their own during the 4th year. That didn't happen. How was that spinning anything?

We need a RB, we traded for Bush. Drafted another one by all accounts was the 2nd best available RB in the draft. That's spinning it?

We need a Center Got that done.

Need a Speed WR got that done.

Need a Seam TE Got that done.

And after watching Henne's play during the pre-season. Who didn't think he had improved. After the NE game who didn't think he had improved?

Where did the D finish the previous year? What's was everyone screaming that our Defense needed? Everyone on here thought the Defense had a chance to finish in the top third of the league, how did I spin that? find ways to lie to myself and convince myself that we're making the playoffs, etc. So, that's wishful thinking to expect my team to make the playoffs, I'm the only fan in the world that does that.

So I thought we improve and was expecting us to have a good year, how was that spinning it?

And then when I tell you the truth about the team ? What truth? Your pessimistic view on what you thought would happen even before the season started. And you wanted me to just go along with that. LOl

Yes, I was genuinely surprise we were not that good for the first half of the season, so was the entire team.

JCane
03-22-2012, 11:51 PM
I wasn't genuinely surprised at all. It's why I predicted what I predicted.

Is it wishful thinking to expect the team to make the playoffs? No, because expectations isn't what wishful thinking is.

If you want to expect this team to make the playoffs, then fine. Expect it. But don't be surprised if and when it doesn't happen in 2012.

I'd like the team to make the playoffs as well and give me some serious promise for 2013...but that's wishful thinking.

You're certainly not the only fan who "expects" their team to make the playoffs. I'm sure there are Buffalo fans just like yourself who have unrealistic expectations for their team. And I'm sure if the two of you held a conversation, both of you would believe that your respective team would make the playoffs but the opposing team would fail miserably.

And you're certainly not the only fan here with unrealistic expectations. Trust me, I let everyone know just how right I was.

JCane cares about the Miami Dolphins and JCane cares about the fans here at FinHeaven. I'm simply trying to help you guys to not be so disappointed when we suck again and you can't for the life of you figure out why. I'm trying to sit you down, have you remove the orange go-go goggles, stop snorting the Kool-Aid, and cover up those ridiculous orange and aqua zubaz pants. Have a little perspective. Understand football at a higher level and understand what we're up against. Identify our weaknesses and figure out how to improve on those rather than signing guys like Matt Moore and David Garrard as stop-gap options.

Walk with me.

tylerdolphin
03-23-2012, 01:49 AM
Need a Speed WR got that done.

Need a Seam TE Got that done.


See, this is the kind of stuff we poke fun of. Please explain how we covered these two.

CedarPhin
03-23-2012, 01:50 AM
Who was our seam TE? Clay? You've got to be kidding.