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Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 11:46 AM
1(8). Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame
2(42). Brandon Weeden - QB - Oklahoma State
3(72). Jayron Hosley - CB - Va Tech
3(73). Chris Givens - WR - Wake Forest
4(102). Bruce Irvin - OLB/DE - West Va
5(136). Michael Egnew - TE - Mizzou
6(185). Andrew Datko - OT - FSU
7(198). Olivier Vernon - DE - Miami


Offense (not necessarily a depth chart)
QB - Moore/Garrard/Weeden
RB - Bush/Thomas/Slaton
FB - Clay/Messam
TE - Fasano/Egnew/Mastrud
WR - Floyd/Bess/Hartline/Givens/Gates
LT - Long
LG - Incognito/Garner
OC - Pouncey/Cook
RG - Hicks/Jerry
RT - Murtha/Datko

Defense (I'll do the 4-3 alignment, though I'm sure we'll see a bunch of everything)

DE - Wake/Vernon
DL - Soliai/Baker
DL - Starks/Mcdaniel
DE - Odrick/Merling

OLB - Burnett/Irvin
MLB - Dansby
OLB - Misi/Westerman

CB - Davis/Smith/Hosley/Wilson/Carroll
SS - Jones/Culver
FS - Marshall/Clemmons

P - Fields
K - Carpenter
LS - Denney

Left 3 spots open on defense for a backup MLB/backup OLB (better in coverage as the 2 backups are pass rushers)/backup NT

A draft like this solves WR, pass catching TE, QB, nickel CB, returner and gives us some young options as situational pass rushers. Still need the OLine to gel but I'm hoping the switch to a ZBS makes it less needy to have superstars on the OL and more important to have heady guys who can work together as a unit. Having the 2 most important pieces in place should go a long way in to making that happen.

I understand I gave us some value with Datko and Vernon late, but just a hunch that both guys could be there. Givens in the third is probably accurate. Hosley may be the one I stretched on but we'll see. Egnew could be late 4th, I'm not tossing around trades so we'll see. Irvin in round 4 is probably right as well.

The biggest hope would be that Misi can transition to the 4-3 OLB role smoothly and have success . . . maybe go after Te'o next year.

Thoughts?? Stuck with mainly "name" players as I don't watch nearly enough small school prospects so it wouldn't be fair for me to toss them in my mock like I truly know their strengths and weaknesses.

Locke
03-23-2012, 11:51 AM
I like it. I think it's risky as hell hoping Weeden makes it to our 2nd round pick, but if that happened and we ended up with both Weeden and Floyd, you'd be hard pressed to find many people complaining about the draft...

madridfinfan
03-23-2012, 11:57 AM
Well done. I just cringe at our OG spots.

I like floyd a lot, but If we could deCastro in a trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd, I'd be ok taking 2 WR in the second and third, as this draft is fairly deep at WR.

Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 12:04 PM
I like it. I think it's risky as hell hoping Weeden makes it to our 2nd round pick, but if that happened and we ended up with both Weeden and Floyd, you'd be hard pressed to find many people complaining about the draft...

Yep, I can't predict trades though . . . but you can imagine I'll be bitching the whole time about Miami's lack of a move to secure a QB until Weeden falls in their laps :lol:

Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 12:06 PM
Well done. I just cringe at our OG spots.

I like floyd a lot, but If we could deCastro in a trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd, I'd be ok taking 2 WR in the second and third, as this draft is fairly deep at WR.

The thought of passing up a playmaker like Floyd for a 3rd top 15 pick on the OLine makes me cringe too :lol:

I like Decastro, but with a switch to a ZBS, Miami is better off finding guys who fit the system more than investing high first round picks on more linemen. We have a serious void at playmaker on this offense. That needs to be filled.

rob19
03-23-2012, 12:24 PM
I can dig it. I'd be alright with Chase Ford or DeAngelo Peterson too if Egnew is off the board.

madridfinfan
03-23-2012, 12:29 PM
True. I guess you can't expect different (better) results if you don't change the way things have done that got you to this point in the first place.

After Fleeners showing at his pro day, how tempting would it be to nab him and have a big, tall, fast seem busting TE for once? He's definitely not making it out of the first now.

Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 12:36 PM
True. I guess you can't expect different (better) results if you don't change the way things have done that got you to this point in the first place.

After Fleeners showing at his pro day, how tempting would it be to nab him and have a big, tall, fast seem busting TE for once? He's definitely not making it out of the first now.

I wouldn't sleep on Egnew, he's still rough around the edges but he has real solid athleticism and can be that "seam buster" at TE. He needs to add more weight to his frame and get with a coach who can teach him some technique but that hasn't stopped Jimmy Graham from dominating in the NFL.

Fleener's a beast though, I honestly never expected him to see the first round while many others did, but yea that pro day probably locked it up for him. He has a ton of upside.

matt11390
03-23-2012, 12:54 PM
No way we draft Weeden and sit him for a year or two. If we pick him he will be expected to start right away due to his age. I like the two WR's in the mock.

j-off-her-doll
03-23-2012, 12:54 PM
Don't think Egnew lasts that long, but I like many aspects of it.

TheBow305
03-23-2012, 01:38 PM
I'd be beyond thrilled with that draft!

emeraldfin
03-23-2012, 02:06 PM
If the draft turned out like that I would be pretty stoked.

Good job dude.

NYPhinzFan
03-23-2012, 02:12 PM
1(8). Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame
2(42). Brandon Weeden - QB - Oklahoma State
3(72). Jayron Hosley - CB - Va Tech
3(73). Chris Givens - WR - Wake Forest
4(102). Bruce Irvin - OLB/DE - West Va
5(136). Michael Egnew - TE - Mizzou
6(185). Andrew Datko - OT - FSU
7(198). Olivier Vernon - DE - Miami


Offense (not necessarily a depth chart)
QB - Moore/Garrard/Weeden
RB - Bush/Thomas/Slaton
FB - Clay/Messam
TE - Fasano/Egnew/Mastrud
WR - Floyd/Bess/Hartline/Givens/Gates
LT - Long
LG - Incognito/Garner
OC - Pouncey/Cook
RG - Hicks/Jerry
RT - Murtha/Datko

Defense (I'll do the 4-3 alignment, though I'm sure we'll see a bunch of everything)

DE - Wake/Vernon
DL - Soliai/Baker
DL - Starks/Mcdaniel
DE - Odrick/Merling

OLB - Burnett/Irvin
MLB - Dansby
OLB - Misi/Westerman

CB - Davis/Smith/Hosley/Wilson/Carroll
SS - Jones/Culver
FS - Marshall/Clemmons

P - Fields
K - Carpenter
LS - Denney

Left 3 spots open on defense for a backup MLB/backup OLB (better in coverage as the 2 backups are pass rushers)/backup NT

A draft like this solves WR, pass catching TE, QB, nickel CB, returner and gives us some young options as situational pass rushers. Still need the OLine to gel but I'm hoping the switch to a ZBS makes it less needy to have superstars on the OL and more important to have heady guys who can work together as a unit. Having the 2 most important pieces in place should go a long way in to making that happen.

I understand I gave us some value with Datko and Vernon late, but just a hunch that both guys could be there. Givens in the third is probably accurate. Hosley may be the one I stretched on but we'll see. Egnew could be late 4th, I'm not tossing around trades so we'll see. Irvin in round 4 is probably right as well.

The biggest hope would be that Misi can transition to the 4-3 OLB role smoothly and have success . . . maybe go after Te'o next year.

Thoughts?? Stuck with mainly "name" players as I don't watch nearly enough small school prospects so it wouldn't be fair for me to toss them in my mock like I truly know their strengths and weaknesses.

I like it. You're mock is similar to what I'm hoping happens, especially in the top 4 rounds.

nsbnative
03-23-2012, 02:14 PM
I like it but I would probably replace Weeden with Cousins if we don't draft one in the first round. I know Weeden has a great arm but I'm concerned about his foot work and the WCO needs a quarterback who can bootleg and has some mobility.

Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 02:27 PM
I like it but I would probably replace Weeden with Cousins if we don't draft one in the first round. I know Weeden has a great arm but I'm concerned about his foot work and the WCO needs a quarterback who can bootleg and has some mobility.

I think Weeden is a real good candidate to run a west coast offense. Mobility does not make a West Coast QB. Sure, many successful West Coast QB's have had mobility but even more important is a quick release and accuracy and Weeden has both of those. Plus, despite not being mobile, he has good pocket presence.

I just don't think Miami should settle for a lesser prospect in Cousins because he may fit the West Coast offense more. Weeden is superior in almost every way when compared to Kirk Cousins and who knows the levels he can reach with solid NFL coaching. Despite being 28, he still has room to get better . . . he is not a finished product.

I do like Cousins, but you can't sell me or most of the fanbase that you (Ireland and Philbin) honestly thought Kirk Cousins was a better option than Matt Flynn. I dunno, I ride with the Fins either way but I could see it being a long season between Ireland and the fanbase.

hooshoops
03-23-2012, 03:22 PM
not a fan of egnew...not at all...if vernon last til the 7th round i'll be screaming at my tv in rounds 5 thru 7...i'd rather have him than bruce irvin

MiamiMuss
03-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Like it but Egnew wont make it to 5 and Vernon wont make it til 7....Very solid draft though.

allsilverdreams
03-23-2012, 04:49 PM
weeden does not sit this year if we draft him .kid has much skill and up there in years .who ever drafts him will also have to start him from day one .at his age there is no reason to make him wait his turn.SO IF WE DRAFT HIM WE START HIM

Kdawg954
03-23-2012, 05:20 PM
weeden does not sit this year if we draft him .kid has much skill and up there in years .who ever drafts him will also have to start him from day one .at his age there is no reason to make him wait his turn.SO IF WE DRAFT HIM WE START HIM

He can start for teams, I don't doubt it . . . but why automatically "throw" him in there? Moore and Garrard is nothing like a TJax/Whitehurst combo that we saw from Seattle last year.

The age is being overblown a bit, we don't have to rush with Weeden this season. If he's ready he's ready but I don't think you "have" to throw him in there from day 1.

WaxOn WaxOff
03-23-2012, 05:49 PM
Floyd will not be the pick. I like Hosley & Givens in the 3rd, if they last.

Roman529
03-23-2012, 06:07 PM
1(8). Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame
2(42). Brandon Weeden - QB - Oklahoma State
3(72). Jayron Hosley - CB - Va Tech
3(73). Chris Givens - WR - Wake Forest
4(102). Bruce Irvin - OLB/DE - West Va
5(136). Michael Egnew - TE - Mizzou
6(185). Andrew Datko - OT - FSU
7(198). Olivier Vernon - DE - Miami



Nice job KDawg...I could live with that.

phinatic1399
03-24-2012, 12:54 AM
love the bruce irvin pick, here is my mock:

1. QB-Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, 6-4, 221-Dolphins finally get their QB of the future. Tannehill will be a project and will have to sit for a year but Mike Sherman knows him best. He can execute the WC offense and is already being compared to Phillip Rivers by Mike Mayock.

2-TE Dwayne Allen, Clemson, 6-3, 255-Allen is an athletic receiving TE prospect who has decent blocking skills. Allen has soft, natural hands and excellent ball skills. Speed is good, cuts and turning ability are impressive.

3A-WR Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers, 6-2, 215-While Sanu lacks the elite timed speed to leaves scouts gasping he does possess an exciting blend of size, strength and natural open field running skills. Possessing the size to contribute at split end as well as the savvy route-running and courage to attack defenses from the slot, Sanu is better prepared than most collegiate receivers to make the NFL jump.

3B-OG-Brandon Washington, Miami U, 6-3, 320-He has improved each year and is a brutal blocker on runs, but still needs work recognizing variables presented by various pass rushers. At Miami he started 15 games at left guard his first two years and 12 at left tackle last season. - Frank Cooney - The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout.

4-OLB-Bruce Irvin, West Virgina, 6-3, 245- Ran 4.43/40, Pass Rush/Blitz: Best attribute. Extreme quickness off the edge, has flexibility to turn the corner. Shows toughness to get under the pads of tackles to bull them, club them upfield to get the inside lane, or fight through blocks for secondary rush when passer steps up. Keeps feet moving after initial contact. Jumps inside as a counter to typical rush, but needs to show a larger variety of moves. Gets pressures on inside stunts and was too explosive for college guards to handle.

5-CB-DeQuan Menzie, Alabama, 5-11, 202-Menzie is the Tide's starting cornerback opposite Dre Kirkpatrick … he moves inside to the `star' or nickel back in passing situations … very versatile and physical corner with outstanding cover skills while showing the ability to blitz off the corner and bring a toughness to the run support.

6-WR Danny Coale, Virgina Tech, 6-0, 201-Very good hands, would fit well in West Coast offense.

7-DT Hebron Fangupo, BYU, 6-1, 323-Adds depth behind Soliai, Possesses a girthy, wide-body size with a strong upper and lower body. Extremely strong with the raw power to overwhelm blockers at the point of attack. Anchors off the snap and holds his ground, staying stout in the run game.

MarshallFin1
03-24-2012, 09:22 AM
nice mock kdawg, i would be very happy with a draft like that. I am completely against taking tannenhill with a first, i am hoping it does not happen.

The Confessor
03-24-2012, 09:57 AM
The ONLY issue I have is that we seriously need help along the O-Line.

Would be estatic with Floyd/Weeden/Givens/Egnew....but I also don't think that Egnew falls that far....wouldn't surprise me to see him go late 3rd round actually.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-24-2012, 10:49 AM
That's one of the better mocks I've seen. I'm a huge Floyd fan, but I'm not sure this organization would take that chance. I agree with others if we get Weeden he likely starts -- hey what's wrong with that? I could also see a trade down, maybe with Cincy, and then draft either Fleener or Wright.

MarshallFin1
03-24-2012, 11:25 AM
That's one of the better mocks I've seen. I'm a huge Floyd fan, but I'm not sure this organization would take that chance. I agree with others if we get Weeden he likely starts -- hey what's wrong with that? I could also see a trade down, maybe with Cincy, and then draft either Fleener or Wright.

I watched the highlights on floyd, he reminds me of a better version of myles austin. Extreme speed combined with skill, hes worth the chance. He might even be a better option than blackmon from what i have seen. He apparently had some off the field problems but i would still take a chance on um. Thats just me though, who knows if ireland will or not. We took a chance on brandon marshall and it didnt work out too well, but who knows, give it another go and see what happens, the bgigest need on this offense now is a wr. While a qb is still a huge need, i think matt moore is pretty good and would like to see him succeed.

finfan54
03-26-2012, 05:48 PM
Red flags. Floyd and Irvan. Philbin will be looking for high character. floyd had multiple drunk cases involving DWI. uh, just not seeing coach buying in. Irvan also troubled past. They may have great talent but if one of the missions is to find great talent, and then keep that talent, well, why would they want to keep people who will likely find more trouble once they make some money?

hooshoops
03-26-2012, 05:57 PM
love the bruce irvin pick, here is my mock:

1. QB-Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, 6-4, 221-Dolphins finally get their QB of the future. Tannehill will be a project and will have to sit for a year but Mike Sherman knows him best. He can execute the WC offense and is already being compared to Phillip Rivers by Mike Mayock.

2-TE Dwayne Allen, Clemson, 6-3, 255-Allen is an athletic receiving TE prospect who has decent blocking skills. Allen has soft, natural hands and excellent ball skills. Speed is good, cuts and turning ability are impressive.

3A-WR Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers, 6-2, 215-While Sanu lacks the elite timed speed to leaves scouts gasping he does possess an exciting blend of size, strength and natural open field running skills. Possessing the size to contribute at split end as well as the savvy route-running and courage to attack defenses from the slot, Sanu is better prepared than most collegiate receivers to make the NFL jump.

3B-OG-Brandon Washington, Miami U, 6-3, 320-He has improved each year and is a brutal blocker on runs, but still needs work recognizing variables presented by various pass rushers. At Miami he started 15 games at left guard his first two years and 12 at left tackle last season. - Frank Cooney - The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout.

4-OLB-Bruce Irvin, West Virgina, 6-3, 245- Ran 4.43/40, Pass Rush/Blitz: Best attribute. Extreme quickness off the edge, has flexibility to turn the corner. Shows toughness to get under the pads of tackles to bull them, club them upfield to get the inside lane, or fight through blocks for secondary rush when passer steps up. Keeps feet moving after initial contact. Jumps inside as a counter to typical rush, but needs to show a larger variety of moves. Gets pressures on inside stunts and was too explosive for college guards to handle.

5-CB-DeQuan Menzie, Alabama, 5-11, 202-Menzie is the Tide's starting cornerback opposite Dre Kirkpatrick he moves inside to the `star' or nickel back in passing situations very versatile and physical corner with outstanding cover skills while showing the ability to blitz off the corner and bring a toughness to the run support.

6-WR Danny Coale, Virgina Tech, 6-0, 201-Very good hands, would fit well in West Coast offense.

7-DT Hebron Fangupo, BYU, 6-1, 323-Adds depth behind Soliai, Possesses a girthy, wide-body size with a strong upper and lower body. Extremely strong with the raw power to overwhelm blockers at the point of attack. Anchors off the snap and holds his ground, staying stout in the run game.

pretty solid draft...washington might be a 4th round guy...can't stand menzie though as a cb...don't like that at all...coale is a late sleeper...ran much faster than he plays though...after fleener allens the next te off the board no question in my mind...i think he'll show better in the pros than he did at the combine...but theres a lot of what we already have in charles clay...although i think allen can play more in line...

ryanosaur2000
03-26-2012, 06:53 PM
I like the mock mate. My only fear is not making any attempt at upgrading the right side of the o-line. I would like to see us take a guard in the 3rd, maybe Brown or Silatolu (if we do not land Scott in free agency).

PSU Cane
03-26-2012, 06:58 PM
not a fan of egnew...not at all...if vernon last til the 7th round i'll be screaming at my tv in rounds 5 thru 7...i'd rather have him than bruce irvin

I'm not a fan of Egnew either.....i'm not a fan of this entire TE class other than Fleener and Allen, but even both of those guys have some major shortcomings. In Egnew, i see a guy who can't block and has minimal yards after catch ability. The guy goes down really easily and isn't physical, so i'm not sure how much of a seam buster he can be. He might get killed in there.

I think Fleener is gone late 1 so he's probably not an option unless we trade down....way down. He's just not worth top 15. There's a good chance Allen could be gone before we pick in the 2nd and if that happens, i might not even look at TE the rest of the way b/c the talent is so unimpressive. I would take a shot on Brad Herman as an UDFA. I would also consider Drunsmore late in the draft as a TE/HB hybrid.....but we kind of already have that in Clay, so i'm not sure it's really worth it.