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SuperDuper7
03-23-2012, 09:34 PM
Wouldn't it be nice, if the Dolphins would have in every future draft (beginning from 2013) two first-round-picks?
it's sound crazy, but it's very simple. The magic-word is patience. Just be one year patient!!!

let's start first to explain the draft-pick-trade-value:
for a 1st-rounder2012 you will get around 2nd-rounder2012 & 1st-rounder2013 (for example: last year the Saints pay for pick#28 to the Patriots their 2nd-rounder2011 & 1st-rounder2012
or for a 2-rounder-2012 you will get around 3rd-rounder2012 & 4th-rounder2012

let's start the draft!
(with the first view it might looks complicated, but it isn't!)

we have this year:
our picks in 2012: 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7
our picks in 2013: 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7

1/2012 = trade down for 2/2012 & 1/2013
we have left: 2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2012
1,1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
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2a/2012= pick player
2b/2012= trade down for 1/2013
we have left: 3,3,4,5,6,7/2012
1,1,1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
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3a/2012=pick player
3b/2012=trade down for 2/2013
4,5,6,7/2012
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
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4/2012=pick player
5/2012=pick player
6/2012=pick player
7/2012=pick player
so we would have a normal draft WITHOUT a first-round-pick.
but for the draft 2013 we have:
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
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now let's go to the draft 2013:

we have: 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
and 1,2,3,4,5,6,7/2014
1a= pick player
1b= trade down for 2/2013 & 1/2014
1c= pick player
we have left: 2,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013
1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7/2014
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2a=pick player
2b=trade down for 1/2014
2c=trade down for 3/2013 & 4/2013
we have left: 3,3,3,4,4,5,6,7/2013
1,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7/2014
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3a=pick player
3b=trade down for 2/2014
3c=trade down for 4/2013 & 5/2013
we have left: 4,4,4,5,5,6,7/2013
1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6,7/2014
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4a=pick player
4b=trade down for 3/2014
4c=trade down for 5/2013 & 6/2013
we have left: 5,5,5,6,6,7/2013
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2014
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5a=pick player
5b=trade down for 4/2014
5c=trade down for 6/2013 & 7/2013
we have left: 6,6,6,7,7/2013
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,6,7/2014
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6a=pick player
6b=trade down for 5/2014
6c=pick player
we have left: 7,7/2013
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,7/2014
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7a=pick player
7b=pick player

so we would have a normal draft BUT WITH two 1st-round-pick, two 6th-round-pick, two 7th-round-pick,
and now look at our picks for 2014
(1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,7/2014),
they are even better than our already great opions in 2013
(1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7/2013)
so we could use the same strategy in the next year.

The magic words are patience & trade down so often as possible!!!


I know, maybe sometimes you won't find a trading-partner for a certain pick , but the direction is clear: trade down so often you can. for every trade-down you get a pick with more value next year!

Update: It works without messing up with certain players or that you get bad players!
In the future you would have 2 or 3 possible picks in the early rounds. So you can choose, if you pick YOUR NEED with the first, second or third pick of the round. The other picks you trade. So you have even more flexibility.

What do you think about my SuperDuper-Draft-Strategy?

Sorry for my broken English, I'm from Germany.

(p.s. If you like my strategy, i'm very happy, if you spend me a 'thank you' for my opening post... ;-)
i'm almost a rookie here, but since 25 years a Dolfan!

dolfan3431
03-23-2012, 09:51 PM
Crazy, but it could work. Only problem with trading down so much is that your going for quanity instead of quality, which is not always the best way to go

napsndreds
03-23-2012, 09:53 PM
Sounds cool to do but gotta get the players we need. Doesnt make sense doing all of that if we end up missing in our players we need at certain positions

SuperDuper7
03-23-2012, 10:07 PM
It works without messing up with certain players!
In the future you would have 2 or 3 possible picks in the early rounds. So you can choose, if you pick YOUR NEED with the first, second or third pick of the round. The other picks you trade. So you have even more flexibility.

(p.s. If you like my strategy, i'm very happy, if you spend me a 'thank you' for my opening post... ;-)
i'm almost a rookie here, but since 25 years a Dolfan!

dcm
03-23-2012, 10:11 PM
genius.....pure genius.

steveo style
03-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Gotta find teams to trade up to thosevpicks every time to make it work, but I would be fully on board with this

yardlaw
03-23-2012, 10:36 PM
There's about to be an opening for the Dolphins GM position, you should apply!

kangphin
03-23-2012, 10:37 PM
hmm, this looks familiar. thank you new england

SuperDuper7
03-23-2012, 10:39 PM
@all: Thanx to all for the nice response already!!!


There's about to be an opening for the Dolphins GM position, you should apply!

My english won't be good enough... ;-)
Thank you!!!

bigbade
03-23-2012, 10:41 PM
only problem I see is our ability to get a '13 1st for a '12 2nd just dont see this happening

TrojanFin
03-23-2012, 10:44 PM
Hate to be the fly in the ointment... but there are two issues as to why this won't happen or work. A) Teams may not allow us to trade down every single time and thus throw a kink in the whole process and B) the mentality is often to win now especially when one's job is on the line as possibly the case with our current GM.

silverfin
03-23-2012, 10:44 PM
Looks very madden-esque :up:

mfish41
03-23-2012, 10:49 PM
I remember i think Peter King interviewing Andy Reid about this strategy. Basically in theory you can turn a 7th round pick into a 1st round pick if you keep trading a current pick for a round earlier for six years. It would take a lot of savvy and strategy to continue to have 2 1's every year, but the patriots seem to always make it work.

SuperDuper7
03-23-2012, 11:13 PM
hmm, this looks familiar. thank you new england
yes, you are right, New England using a kind of these strategy. so it's even more fascinating, that 31 managers don't use this.



only problem I see is our ability to get a '13 1st for a '12 2nd just dont see this happening

In the draft 2009 the Seahawks & 49ers both gave away their 1st-rounder2010 for a 2nd-rounder2009.

As I said, this example should only show the direction. sometimes certain trades won't be possible, but in other cases you will get even more for you trade. but i think, that the example shows, that trading down very often is very smart!!!
There are always some teams, who are unpatient, because they think, that they are only 1-2 players away from a superbowl.


Hate to be the fly in the ointment... but there are two issues as to why this won't happen or work. A) Teams may not allow us to trade down every single time and thus throw a kink in the whole process and B) the mentality is often to win now especially when one's job is on the line as possibly the case with our current GM.

a) As I said, this example should only show the direction.
b) If the owner is smart enough and say: Let's go these direction, then there is no problem for GM. but you are right, that it's easier to start with these strategy, if the fans are pleased and the team has already success.
but these strategy still works.

Rocket2981
03-23-2012, 11:21 PM
I love this trade down strategy in a year like this year when you have a new philosophy/coaching staff. Philbin needs a lot of new personnel for his system.

SuperDuper7
03-23-2012, 11:32 PM
I love this trade down strategy in a year like this year when you have a new philosophy/coaching staff. Philbin needs a lot of new personnel for his system.

thanx.
but i have to say also, that it's not easy to go with these strategy in MIAMI, where most of the people want big highlights - NOW!
one of the reasons for my posting is to show, that the talking of up-trading maybe in this draft is normaly not so smart, cause with an uptrade you are getting to the other side of the strategy: you are the person, who pay more.
but if you are once on the 'rich side with lots of picks' you can better afford to trade up - for example for a franchise-QB.

R3TARDxSTRONG
03-24-2012, 12:05 AM
You're assuming players coming out that season are worth a damn.

fishfanmiami
03-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Like a post mentioned the Pats somewhat follow this stategy. They usually have multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks and always find partner looking to move up for a player. Or course they DON"T need a QB so we are not in the same situation. Find your QB for the future then this plan is sound. Good post. Avedasain

JerryD
03-24-2012, 01:42 AM
Coaches are usually worried about their job and/or results ... get their pick & not worry about the future.

Bellicheck has done this several times.

JC
03-24-2012, 03:25 AM
People here want everything now. You will be hated because you didn't make an impulse decision RIGHT AWAY

zach attach
03-24-2012, 08:03 AM
I for one dont care about your broken english. You're great with numbers, that's all that counts in the draft. I vote "This guy" to be our GM. Besides, many Americans cannot write in English as well as you do. Good job!

ojmcduffy
03-24-2012, 08:16 AM
You seem to think the strategy of giving away our 2nd for whatever flash in the pan back up or worn out vetren qb isn't working. Had we taded down and got more picks we never would've enjoyed the talents of great qbs. Culpepper, feeley, green, and harrington those names would never have been placed in anals of dolphin history.

Pelorus Jack
03-24-2012, 09:00 AM
The theory is sound for developing a team long term but to satify the owners how do you get more rumps in the seats right now?

How about this, reduce all ticket prices by say 50% to fill the stadium right now. Make more money on beverages/food to help make up some of the difference.

When the team starts to win and becomes more salable then start to raise the prices again.

Any retail business owner must give customers good value for their money or face losing those customers...

Morey161
03-24-2012, 04:21 PM
The thing about trades is you have to have another team that will want to trade all the time. Which isn't going to happen.

Marinomyhero
03-25-2012, 11:39 AM
It looks like what the Cheatriots are always doing and seems to work for Belicheat.

lil tom digby
03-25-2012, 05:45 PM
You seem to think the strategy of giving away our 2nd for whatever flash in the pan back up or worn out vetren qb isn't working. Had we taded down and got more picks we never would've enjoyed the talents of great qbs. Culpepper, feeley, green, and harrington those names would never have been placed in anals of dolphin history.

Did you mean "anus" of dolphin history?

ticophin
03-25-2012, 05:54 PM
Only works if you´re set @ QB...surround him with late 1st-early 2nd round talent...