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phinatic1399
03-29-2012, 07:18 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827f51c6/article/mayock-qbhungry-teams-have-to-consider-tannehill-?module=HP11_hot_topics

RZA
03-29-2012, 07:43 PM
Damn I think i want this dude

Tunaphish429
03-29-2012, 07:45 PM
This guy is going to the browns.

Locke
03-29-2012, 07:50 PM
This guy is going to the browns.

I doubt it. I'm thinking they go Blackmon at 4 and Weeden with their late 1st rounder...

Roman529
03-29-2012, 07:53 PM
Damn I think i want this dude

Mayock or Tannehill??? :lol:

Ricky_Fan34
03-29-2012, 08:07 PM
If Mayock said it I'm sold. Mayock knows his stuff. I Still think 8 is a bit early but hell, if Tannehill is as good as Mayock claims, then the value of the pick is irrelevant. Bottom line is we simply have to find a solution at quarterback sooner rather than later. If Philbin and Ireland decide Tannehill is that guy, I'm all on board. Mayock saying this is really reinforcing though.

Casas9425
03-29-2012, 08:09 PM
I like Tannehill but Mayock doesn't have the best track record regarding QB's.

Casas9425
03-29-2012, 08:10 PM
This guy is going to the browns.Mike Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the first round.

X-Pacolypse
03-29-2012, 08:15 PM
I like Tannehill but Mayock doesn't have the best track record regarding QB's.

He was right about Matt Ryan. Although, he did completely whiff on Pat White, and subsequently so did Miami.

daniel3
03-29-2012, 08:17 PM
I think the NFL draft media machine does this to mess with our heads. Every year there is one random QB that flies up the draft boards. With that said, its doubtful Cleveland takes him. We're a more likely landing spot as we're in a much better position to absorb him (we can allow him to sit and develop for a year while still reloading on talent) and we don't have the wide amount of position needs as Cleveland.

The Confessor
03-29-2012, 08:23 PM
He was right about Matt Ryan. Although, he did completely whiff on Pat White, and subsequently so did Miami.


Really? Did he say Ryan was going to be a very very mediocre QB? Cause unless he did, he whiffed badly.

Vaark
03-29-2012, 08:39 PM
Mayock was right - well kind of about Melty. Beyond losing the Big One to VT, he couldn't have known about "the choke gene" when it came to instant death elimination when on the biggest stage :idk: As far as Tanny goes, if he turns out to be a top tier QB
then hell, taking him at 8 is much less of a reach than was Sanchez @5!!

dlockz
03-29-2012, 09:14 PM
Really? Did he say Ryan was going to be a very very mediocre QB? Cause unless he did, he whiffed badly.

If Matt Ryan is medicocre with a lifetime 2 to 1 int ratio and 88 qb rating then what the hell is Matt Moore lol

dlockz
03-29-2012, 09:15 PM
[QUOTE=Vaark;1064269476]Mayock was right - well kind of about Melty. Beyond losing the Big One to VT, he couldn't have known about "the choke gene" when it came to instant death elimination when on the biggest stage :idk: As far as Tanny goes, if he turns out to be a top tier QB
then hell, taking him at 8 is much less of a reach than was Sanchez @5!![/QUOTE

Maybe he should get the same choke gene operation that Peyton got in his sixth season after losing 41-0nto the jets

HybridPHIN 23
03-29-2012, 09:26 PM
If he's taken before we pick I'll be extremely frustrated. We were in a position to land the first or second pick, but now could miss out on tannehill as well. If he's there and we pass.... That's a different story. It's looking like if we want him we'll have to get lucky, or worse, trade up. At least the idea that we would be reaching for him isn't popular anymore. Unless we trade up to #3 , that is.

If we're looking for the next Aaron Rodgers, perhaps this is the guy..... So best case scenario in round 1 seems to be getting Tannehill @#8. That or Claiborne falling to us. Followed by trading down and getting Keuchly/Floyd. That's what I think, at least.

LikeUntoGod
03-29-2012, 09:38 PM
I think the NFL draft media machine does this to mess with our heads. Every year there is one random QB that flies up the draft boards. With that said, its doubtful Cleveland takes him. We're a more likely landing spot as we're in a much better position to absorb him (we can allow him to sit and develop for a year while still reloading on talent) and we don't have the wide amount of position needs as Cleveland.

What in Buddha's name makes you think we would draft a QB with the 8th pick and sit him a season or two?

Vaark
03-29-2012, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=Vaark;1064269476]Mayock was right - well kind of about Melty. Beyond losing the Big One to VT, he couldn't have known about "the choke gene" when it came to instant death elimination when on the biggest stage :idk: As far as Tanny goes, if he turns out to be a top tier QB
then hell, taking him at 8 is much less of a reach than was Sanchez @5!![/QUOTE

Maybe he should get the same choke gene operation that Peyton got in his sixth season after losing 41-0nto the jets

Actually that's a nice narrative but the reality is that Peyton did go one and out his first 3 playoff appearances but in his 4th appearence he did go 2-1 in that PO series. So perhaps Matty Melt can lose the choker label next time if he ever gets back. I haven't researched Peyton's performance but somehow I don't think he looked as impotent as Ryan did vs GB or got shut out like vs the Giants. 6 appearances before winning a PO game???? LMAO

SebasMiamiFan
03-29-2012, 09:40 PM
Really? Did he say Ryan was going to be a very very mediocre QB? Cause unless he did, he whiffed badly.

Wait.... what? Matt Ryan is a mediocre QB? When?

Kane337
03-29-2012, 09:52 PM
If Mayock said it I'm sold. Mayock knows his stuff. I Still think 8 is a bit early but hell, if Tannehill is as good as Mayock claims, then the value of the pick is irrelevant. Bottom line is we simply have to find a solution at quarterback sooner rather than later. If Philbin and Ireland decide Tannehill is that guy, I'm all on board. Mayock saying this is really reinforcing though.

I agree 100%

Kane337
03-29-2012, 10:02 PM
Really? Did he say Ryan was going to be a very very mediocre QB? Cause unless he did, he whiffed badly.

If having the same number of wins in his first 3 years as Dan Marino (tied for best ever), having 4 straight winning seasons, and having 3 playoff appearances in 4 years is mediocre......I will take mediocre all day. A lot the Falcons playoff failures did not fall all on Matt Ryan. They don't have a great defense and last year their Oline was bad.

finfan54
03-29-2012, 10:25 PM
If Ireland were to trade down and still get Tannehill and get more picks, he would make up for any mistakes at that point. Cus all this is just talk. The Qb market is full minus Cleveland and they didnt even want to go get RG3 and they dont want to mess with Mccoy.

finfan54
03-29-2012, 10:26 PM
If having the same number of wins in his first 3 years as Dan Marino (tied for best ever), having 4 straight winning seasons, and having 3 playoff appearances in 4 years is mediocre......I will take mediocre all day. A lot the Falcons playoff failures did not fall all on Matt Ryan. They don't have a great defense and last year their Oline was bad.


thats a bunch of mularky. :)

hooshoops
03-29-2012, 10:33 PM
mayock has already said he's not a top 10 bpa but that with the fact that franchise qb trumps all this kid has the physical abilities that warrant a top 10 pick...concern though is there's a hell of a lot more to playing a high level nfl qb than just physical measurables and abilities...

pretty much everyone on path to the draft including mayock says that he's getting pushed up due to the need and position...its dicey stuff thats all i know...i wouldn't read a whole lot out of todays workout...we knew he could spin it could run and was a hell of an athlete on tape...the 19 starts is a bit concerning and everyone admits pretty much that this kid needs to sit for a year or so cause he's not ready right now...

if he's the guy i sure hope mike sherman knows how to pick qbs...thats all i can say...

luduporcu
03-29-2012, 10:36 PM
Wait.... what? Matt Ryan is a mediocre QB? When?

From Day One.

Phanatical
03-29-2012, 10:47 PM
I hope the Phins stay at #8, the Browns pass, and we draft him at #8. However, if the Browns take him that isn't a big loss, Moore and Garrard are good enough to take the team as far as the team can go. If Browns take him then they can go BPA or trade down. All good scenarios providing they pick a good player(s) and don't whiff on their selection(s).

dlockz
03-29-2012, 10:47 PM
[QUOTE=dlockz;1064269521]

Actually that's a nice narrative but the reality is that Peyton did go one and out his first 3 playoff appearances but in his 4th appearence he did go 2-1 in that PO series. So perhaps Matty Melt can lose the choker label next time if he ever gets back. I haven't researched Peyton's performance but somehow I don't think he looked as impotent as Ryan did vs GB or got shut out like vs the Giants. 6 appearances before winning a PO game???? LMAO

He was probably more impotent. In three games Peyton threw 1 td pass and 3 int and lost to the jets in his third playoff game 41-0

josekareh
03-29-2012, 10:49 PM
Mayock or Tannehill??? :lol:

Ireland to tell me he's my ho!!!! lol:woot:

tay0365
03-29-2012, 10:51 PM
If Matt Ryan is medicocre with a lifetime 2 to 1 int ratio and 88 qb rating then what the hell is Matt Moore lol

That's the thing, put Moore in Atlanta with the top receiver, and the bruising RB, and all of a sudden, Moore might have he lifetime 88 or better QBR, and I'm not even as big a Moore fan as some are in here.

Ryan will continue to look ok to good as long as the talent around him hold out on Offense, the moment it's all Ryan....the ice man meltith.

MarSly
03-29-2012, 10:52 PM
Cleveland has QB with weapons could be better.The running back from Alabama looked very good and if it was there offensive coordinator there looking at him it tells me more so they take Richardson at 4 leaving Tannehill at 8 for Miami.We can get by for a year with Matt Moore and draft Tannehill for next season and give Moore a extension to stay the backup.

tay0365
03-29-2012, 10:54 PM
Wait.... what? Matt Ryan is a mediocre QB? When?

In the world we call reality.

Phanatical
03-29-2012, 10:55 PM
Cleveland has QB with weapons could be better.The running back from Alabama looked very good and if it was there offensive coordinator there looking at him it tells me more so they take Richardson at 4 leaving Tannehill at 8 for Miami.We can get by for a year with Matt Moore and draft Tannehill for next season and give Moore a extension to stay the backup.

I agree with you 100%. I can't see Cleveland taking another QB at #4.

hooshoops
03-29-2012, 10:58 PM
In the world we call reality.

more mediocre than matt moore and david garrard???

tay0365
03-29-2012, 10:58 PM
If having the same number of wins in his first 3 years as Dan Marino (tied for best ever), having 4 straight winning seasons, and having 3 playoff appearances in 4 years is mediocre......I will take mediocre all day. A lot the Falcons playoff failures did not fall all on Matt Ryan. They don't have a great defense and last year their Oline was bad.


Your comparing Matt Ryan to Marino? :lol: The last time Marino had the talent Matty has had around him, he went to the Superbowl in his 2nd year.....horrible comparison.

tay0365
03-29-2012, 11:04 PM
more mediocre than matt moore and david garrard???

No, I would put him in the level of Gerrard, as for Moore, up and down seasons make it tough to know what type of QB he can be, but then again, being on the Panthers will do that.

Moore still needs to prove himself, but I would say Gerrard is in Matty's level or better when healthy. Afer all, with less weapons, Gerrard has looked better then Matt...oh and he has gone further in the playoffs.

dlockz
03-29-2012, 11:15 PM
No, I would put him in the level of Gerrard, as for Moore, up and down seasons make it tough to know what type of QB he can be, but then again, being on the Panthers will do that.

Moore still needs to prove himself, but I would say Gerrard is in Matty's level or better when healthy. Afer all, with less weapons, Gerrard has looked better then Matt...oh and he has gone further in the playoffs.

Amazing how the only reason Ryan has success is because he has weapons . Dont most good qb's either have weapons or make them weapons look better. I think its a shame that to make the long pick seem better we have to act like Ryan is an average qb but oh well

Vaark
03-29-2012, 11:33 PM
[QUOTE=Vaark;1064269537]

He was probably more impotent. In three games Peyton threw 1 td pass and 3 int and lost to the jets in his third playoff game 41-0

wow, another QB who got offensively shut out by a ny area team, eh? I'd have to check and see if the Colts had weapons like Gonzales, Roddy White and Turner, but too tired tonight.

But regardless, let's see if Ryan can rise to the occasion and win 2 games like Peyton if he ever makes a 4th appearance (where the hell did you come up with 6 :) ????

dlockz
03-29-2012, 11:36 PM
[QUOTE=dlockz;1064269629]

wow, another QB who got offensively shut out by a ny area team, eh?

Makes the Falcon Giants game look close. I think he breaks through next year and wins a playoff game but hell you never know, who would have predicted after our last superbowl that Marino would never make it back let alone win one.

hooshoops
03-29-2012, 11:49 PM
No, I would put him in the level of Gerrard, as for Moore, up and down seasons make it tough to know what type of QB he can be, but then again, being on the Panthers will do that.

Moore still needs to prove himself, but I would say Gerrard is in Matty's level or better when healthy. Afer all, with less weapons, Gerrard has looked better then Matt...oh and he has gone further in the playoffs.

garrard over matt ryan is a fail my friend...in his prime or whatever...garrard had like one good season that he parlayed into a bad contract from jax...good on him...but matt ryans a much better qb...

Valandui
03-29-2012, 11:50 PM
Mayock or Tannehill??? :lol:
Honestly, I would love to see what Mayock could do as a GM.

Phins28
03-30-2012, 12:14 AM
Wait.... what? Matt Ryan is a mediocre QB? When?

He's mediocre... in the eyes of mediocre talent evaluator

fishbanger
03-30-2012, 12:21 AM
Browns are acting like hey want Tannehill. Could be they really want him or really want to trade him. If they pass on Richardson which is also a need area then that could come back to haunt Cleveland. Richardson is the beast of this draft.

fishbanger
03-30-2012, 12:28 AM
Browns are acting like hey want Tannehill. Could be they really want him or really want to trade him. If they pass on Richardson which is also a need area then that could come back to haunt Cleveland. Richardson is the beast of this draft.

TakeoSpikesNeck
03-30-2012, 12:50 AM
Mike Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the first round.

And niether have we. as of late.

tay0365
03-31-2012, 05:56 PM
garrard over matt ryan is a fail my friend...in his prime or whatever...garrard had like one good season that he parlayed into a bad contract from jax...good on him...but matt ryans a much better qb...

Hoops, you are a very knowledgeable guy, but you are very off on this. If you check out how both did as starters, you will see that they were very comparable more or less. Maybe Ryan has shown a bit more, but Garrard has also not had the talent around him that Ryan has.
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Also, I am not exactly a fan of having Garrard as the guy to become the starting QB for the dolphins either, at least not more then a year, I was hoping to get Manning (and a Rookie to grow into the position) or Flynn. I am now hoping that Miami will be able to get someone in the draft that can eventually become the starting QB and hopefully franchise QB....which I hope is Tannehill.