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hemidemon
04-04-2012, 11:48 AM
This is a comparison of the last 9 games from last season:
-------------W/L------------ Comp%----------- Yards--------- TD/int----------- Rating
Matt Moore---6-3-------------.612---------------1,791----------15-5-------------97.8

Eli Manning---4-5-------------.583---------------2,806-----------16-11-----------86.4

I don't think most of you realize how well Matt Moore really played. I'm not saying Matt Moore doesn't need to play better b/c he does. He does deserve more credit than he gets, and he's earned the right to compete for the starting job next season. With these numbers I don't believe Miami is desperate for a QB.

Credit to Peter King of SI for this comparison.

PhinzN703
04-04-2012, 11:55 AM
There is no Moore vs. Manning. It isn't a contest.

hemidemon
04-04-2012, 11:58 AM
Yes there is. They all compete to be the best. You can always compare numbers.

Jersey DolFan
04-04-2012, 11:59 AM
i do think this says a lot. People can be dismissive all they want. I like Moore and i think he has some upside under a good staff like our current one looks to be. we will see how it plays out.

JCane
04-04-2012, 12:01 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8457&d=1329387598

Clipse
04-04-2012, 12:05 PM
Get a grip. Matt Moore is mediocre at best. A backup QB. Eli Manning is an elite, 2x Superbowl winning QB. Stop trying to compare garbage to gold, it's ridiculous. Miami is as desperate for a QB now as they've ever been.

Dolphan5876
04-04-2012, 12:09 PM
JCANE, Now THATS FUNNY!!! Didn't that guy play in Canada!!!

Clipse
04-04-2012, 12:18 PM
The fact of the matter is, Matt Moore played one top 10 defense in those 9 games, the 10th rated Eagles, and completely **** the bed. 6 of those games against bottom 10 defenses. Nobody cares about Matt Moore beating ****ty teams with ****ty defenses.

Oh and Eli wiped the floor with Moore in their head to head matchup.

SamIam
04-04-2012, 12:21 PM
One of the worst posts if not the worst I have ever seen in my life.. not only on sports forums, but in any internet forum.

You are comparing a 2 time SB winner to Matt freaking Moore :lol::lol::lol:

hemidemon
04-04-2012, 12:23 PM
The fact of the matter is, Matt Moore played one top 10 defense in those 9 games, the 10th rated Eagles, and completely **** the bed. 6 of those games against bottom 10 defenses. Nobody cares about Matt Moore beating ****ty teams with ****ty defenses.

Oh and Eli wiped the floor with Moore in their head to head matchup.

I guess that's why Miami was winning in the 4th.

NYinBostonFin
04-04-2012, 12:28 PM
Elite homer

Clipse
04-04-2012, 12:34 PM
I guess that's why Miami was winning in the 4th.

Matt Moore - 13-22, 138 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 58.5 QBR
Eli Manning - 31-45, 349 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT, 106.6 QBR

Eli Manning (Superbowl winning, elite QB) wiped the floor with Matt Moore (6-10, backup QB).

NYinBostonFin
04-04-2012, 12:50 PM
Matt Moore - 13-22, 138 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 58.5 QBR
Eli Manning - 31-45, 349 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT, 106.6 QBR

Eli Manning (Superbowl winning, elite QB) wiped the floor with Matt Moore (6-10, backup QB).

Stats can only be used for his arguement, not against.

hemidemon
04-04-2012, 01:04 PM
One of the worst posts if not the worst I have ever seen in my life.. not only on sports forums, but in any internet forum.

You are comparing a 2 time SB winner to Matt freaking Moore :lol::lol::lol:

You must not read much. Stop buying books with pictures.

Adam Strange
04-04-2012, 01:07 PM
Matt Moore - 13-22, 138 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 58.5 QBR
Eli Manning - 31-45, 349 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT, 106.6 QBR

Eli Manning (Superbowl winning, elite QB) wiped the floor with Matt Moore (6-10, backup QB).
Owned!

gregorygrant83
04-04-2012, 01:09 PM
So if the Giants called and offered you Manning for Moore, would you ask the Giants to also throw in a draft choice in order for you to consider it?

If your answer is yes you lose the right to bash Ireland.

hemidemon
04-04-2012, 01:11 PM
So if the Giants called and offered you Manning for Moore, would ask the Giants to also throw in a draft choice in order for you to consider it?

This is a 9 game comparison, not a one game...DUH!!!

gregorygrant83
04-04-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't care if it's 1 game, 9 games or their career. Manning is the better qb.

mega-fin-love
04-04-2012, 01:26 PM
These thread responses are another perfect example of everyone over reacting and jumping to conclusions. The OP never said anything about Moore being as good or better than Eli. He is just posting some stats that he saw. That doesn't mean he has a hidden agenda that Moore is god. His only point is that Moore deserves a little more credit, and he's right. Calm down everyone and just take the stats for what they are......stats that show Moore played pretty well

Casas9425
04-04-2012, 01:27 PM
Garbage players like Moore always shine in garbage time.

2413fanphins
04-04-2012, 01:28 PM
I just pissed my pants reading this horse****

dlockz
04-04-2012, 01:40 PM
Yes there is. They all compete to be the best. You can always compare numbers.

well compare the full season numbers and you may be on to something

insomnia411
04-04-2012, 02:03 PM
This post is an insult to anybody with a brain. What is the point? If you have ever actually watched Eli Manning play in a football game over the last 4 years, you would know that he is roughly 700x better than Matt Moore could ever hope to be.

Eli right now is AT WORST the 4th or 5th best QB in football, Matt Moore is lucky to break the top 18-20.

fishbanger
04-04-2012, 11:20 PM
Call the GM right now and let him know that he should trade Moore for Eli straight up! just look at the last 9 games and those stats! I cant imagine why we had to sign Gerrard to compete for a starting position if we already have an Eli Manning on our team!

Thats why I want first pick in this draft whether 8 or trade down to be a QB. Thats what I hope and wish for. At least we will have something to talk about and plays for philbin to run.

Killerphins
04-04-2012, 11:30 PM
I'm interested to see how the snaps go between Moore and Garrard.
David is a big guy with good feet when healthy.
One year deal. Might be a good stop gap for now.

phinfan1983
04-04-2012, 11:42 PM
Stats don't tell the whole story. You can put the game and Eli's sholders and know your going win most of the time (even against the good teams). Moore can't carry a team. He also has two major flaws as a QB - feet are not always in the right position, and his decsion making. These cause two problems - ball is thrown late and behind the receiver too many times.

67Stang
04-05-2012, 12:48 AM
Man seriously, stop comparing numbers and compare who made plays to win games at the end. I think Eli had 7 come from behind wins if I am not mistaken.....then ask who didn't fumble the ball to lose games and didn't make plays at the end of games to win in multiple occasions? I am trying to be more positive about Moore and give him a chance, but when stuff like this pops up, I must throw the BS Flag!

AdamC13
04-05-2012, 12:54 AM
Oh brother...

I guess the 5 lost fumbles Moore had doesn't count b/c it doesn't get factored in to the QB rating. Not to mention Moore got to go up against some of the worst defenses in the NFL against the pass.

hemidemon
04-05-2012, 01:08 AM
I don't care if it's 1 game, 9 games or their career. Manning is the better qb.

Did I say somewhere in my posts that he wasn't???

hemidemon
04-05-2012, 01:18 AM
There are some seriously moronic post reactions here. Seriously, do you know how to READ? Did you READ? I would dare anyone of you to find the post I wrote saying Moore is better than Manning? Anyone who gets that message from post that started this thread has serious intelligence issues. One member got it right. Dlockz the only other one to bring up a good point. Amazing.

Casas9425
04-05-2012, 01:52 AM
There are some seriously moronic post reactions here. Seriously, do you know how to READ? Did you READ? I would dare anyone of you to find the post I wrote saying Moore is better than Manning? Anyone who gets that message from post that started this thread has serious intelligence issues. One member got it right. Dlockz the only other one to bring up a good point. Amazing.Moore and Manning don't belong in the same sentence.

mega-fin-love
04-05-2012, 02:20 AM
There are some seriously moronic post reactions here. Seriously, do you know how to READ? Did you READ? I would dare anyone of you to find the post I wrote saying Moore is better than Manning? Anyone who gets that message from post that started this thread has serious intelligence issues. One member got it right. Dlockz the only other one to bring up a good point. Amazing.

agreed...that's why I had your back on page 1 or 2....and yes dlockz is a good poster

67Stang
04-05-2012, 06:19 AM
Manning also has more than 1000 more yards in that stretch. Matt Moore didn't even average 200 yards a game. You won't win many games and even fewer against quality teams with that pedestrian of a number....unless you have the 2000 Ravens D,,,,and we don't. Moore's numbers are very miss leading

MikeO
04-05-2012, 06:21 AM
Eli won a SB, Moore didn't.

In there head to head match-up, Eli led a 4th quarter comeback victory. Moore took a lead into the 4th quarter and lost it by himself by leading the offense to 1 first down and 4 total yards (accurate stat, look it up)

There is no comparison. One guy is a career back-up. The other is going to Canton

Scrap
04-05-2012, 06:51 AM
I'm tired of hearing about Super Bowl wins. The team won the Super Bowl. By the philosophy that some of you use, every Super Bowl winning quarterback holds an argument that they are better than Marino. I'm not arguing that Moore is better that Manning, or anyone else. I'm just sick of the qb getting all of the credit for one particular game, or even the journey it took to get there. To me, that argument shows how few people there are out there that even understand the definition or concept of the word "teamwork".

2413fanphins
04-05-2012, 07:10 AM
whats the difference if we start arguing about manning being better than moore, or the giants being better than miami.... really? either way, we are going to end up with the same team/qb being superior... NYG..

NYinBostonFin
04-05-2012, 07:38 AM
These thread responses are another perfect example of everyone over reacting and jumping to conclusions. The OP never said anything about Moore being as good or better than Eli. He is just posting some stats that he saw. That doesn't mean he has a hidden agenda that Moore is god. His only point is that Moore deserves a little more credit, and he's right. Calm down everyone and just take the stats for what they are......stats that show Moore played pretty well

After comparing Eli's stats with Moore's he said...."With these numbers I don't believe Miami is desperate for a QB". That makes me believe that not only is the OP comfortable with our QB situation, he thinks that after looking at the stats, Moore can be just as good a QB as Eli. This is what is ridiculous. You don't make a comparison, without belief that the guy you are comparing is just as good if not better. I don't see many comparisons made where the point is, he played pretty well. The title itself MADE by the OP is Eli VS Moore. Now after the backlash...its not what he meant and we are all stupid? No. Dumb thread, laughable.

Maybe you should actually sit back and relax before playing devil's advocate to defend someone who is blindly defending the team.

Dthrill_08
04-05-2012, 10:05 AM
Manning also had a better offense than Moore.

PhinzN703
04-05-2012, 10:12 AM
These thread responses are another perfect example of everyone over reacting and jumping to conclusions. The OP never said anything about Moore being as good or better than Eli. He is just posting some stats that he saw. That doesn't mean he has a hidden agenda that Moore is god. His only point is that Moore deserves a little more credit, and he's right. Calm down everyone and just take the stats for what they are......stats that show Moore played pretty well

Why not mention the whole year then? Why only the last 9 games? I don't see how you can call it overreacting when it's a fact that Eli Manning is and will always be a better QB than Matt Moore.

minus
04-05-2012, 10:16 AM
Let just hold on until end of this season before we crucify Moore. I do believe he may indeed be a top 10 QB so this it for Moore. Hopefully he'll grab this opportunity and never look back.

Phinatic8u
04-05-2012, 10:58 AM
Eli>>>> Marino.

hemidemon
04-05-2012, 11:52 AM
After comparing Eli's stats with Moore's he said...."With these numbers I don't believe Miami is desperate for a QB". That makes me believe that not only is the OP comfortable with our QB situation, he thinks that after looking at the stats, Moore can be just as good a QB as Eli. This is what is ridiculous. You don't make a comparison, without belief that the guy you are comparing is just as good if not better. I don't see many comparisons made where the point is, he played pretty well. The title itself MADE by the OP is Eli VS Moore. Now after the backlash...its not what he meant and we are all stupid? No. Dumb thread, laughable.

Maybe you should actually sit back and relax before playing devil's advocate to defend someone who is blindly defending the team.

If that's what you got out of my post your comprehension is seriously lacking. That's not what I meant at all.

hemidemon
04-05-2012, 11:58 AM
Why not mention the whole year then? Why only the last 9 games? I don't see how you can call it overreacting when it's a fact that Eli Manning is and will always be a better QB than Matt Moore.

Why don't you ask Peter King? It's his piece.

hemidemon
04-05-2012, 12:00 PM
Eli>>>> Marino.

No he is not.

hooshoops
04-05-2012, 12:29 PM
this threads flat out rediculous...

NYinBostonFin
04-05-2012, 12:32 PM
If that's what you got out of my post your comprehension is seriously lacking. That's not what I meant at all.

I quoted you, but its not what you meant. Its your writing skills lacking, not my reading comprehension.

mega-fin-love
04-05-2012, 01:29 PM
After comparing Eli's stats with Moore's he said...."With these numbers I don't believe Miami is desperate for a QB". That makes me believe that not only is the OP comfortable with our QB situation, he thinks that after looking at the stats, Moore can be just as good a QB as Eli. This is what is ridiculous. You don't make a comparison, without belief that the guy you are comparing is just as good if not better. I don't see many comparisons made where the point is, he played pretty well. The title itself MADE by the OP is Eli VS Moore. Now after the backlash...its not what he meant and we are all stupid? No. Dumb thread, laughable.

Maybe you should actually sit back and relax before playing devil's advocate to defend someone who is blindly defending the team.

Dude you are assuming every one of those things. I would post those stats if I saw them and I know that Eli is the far superior player. Just because you post stats does not mean that you have a hidden agenda. Not everyone is like that. Never once did I assume the OP thinks Moore is as good or better than Eli...The only thing that is fair to assume is that he is a Moore supporter.......and even that is still assuming.

vagrantprodigy
04-05-2012, 02:06 PM
Is this a joke?

NYinBostonFin
04-05-2012, 02:54 PM
Dude you are assuming every one of those things. I would post those stats if I saw them and I know that Eli is the far superior player. Just because you post stats does not mean that you have a hidden agenda. Not everyone is like that. Never once did I assume the OP thinks Moore is as good or better than Eli...The only thing that is fair to assume is that he is a Moore supporter.......and even that is still assuming.

One thing I don't assume was that he is comfortable with the QB situation after looking at the stats. Are you?

Sean
04-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Manning wins super bowls. If Matt Moore wins us a super bowl then we'll talk.

Valandui
04-05-2012, 03:31 PM
Eli>>>> Marino.
Hold on now. This is also the era where you get ejected for breathing on Tom Brady.

Spesh
04-05-2012, 04:07 PM
Called it in one of the other 3 threads concerning this topic. Saw this "debate" coming a mile away.


Already discussed in the other thread.

But for the record: Eli Manning just won his second Superbowl MVP award. Miami won 6 games. Of COURSE Dolphin fans are going to feel like this is a good comparison.....especially when missing the point King was making. The non-highlighted parts.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?318068-Peter-King-quot-The-Dolphins-love-them-some-Ryan-Tannehill-quot-Eli-vs-Moore&p=1064272552&viewfull=1#post1064272552

Dmarino110
04-05-2012, 04:21 PM
This is a comparison of the last 9 games from last season:
-------------W/L------------ Comp%----------- Yards--------- TD/int----------- Rating
Matt Moore---6-3-------------.612---------------1,791----------15-5-------------97.8

Eli Manning---4-5-------------.583---------------2,806-----------16-11-----------86.4

I don't think most of you realize how well Matt Moore really played. I'm not saying Matt Moore doesn't need to play better b/c he does. He does deserve more credit than he gets, and he's earned the right to compete for the starting job next season. With these numbers I don't believe Miami is desperate for a QB.

Credit to Peter King of SI for this comparison.

Miami's last 9 opponents


9
Sun, Nov 6


@

Kansas City (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs)




W
31-3 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106012) KC finished 7-9







10
Sun, Nov 13


vs

Washington (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins)




W
20-9 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311113015) Washinton Finished 5-11







11
Sun, Nov 20


vs

Buffalo (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills)




W
35-8 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311120015) The Bills finished 6-10







12
Thu, Nov 24


@

Dallas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys)




L
20-19 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311124006) Dallas finished 8-8







13
Sun, Dec 4


vs

Oakland (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders)




W
34-14 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311204015) Oakland Finished 8-8







14
Sun, Dec 11


vs

Philadelphia (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles)




L
26-10 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311211015) Eagles finished 8-8







15
Sun, Dec 18


@

Buffalo (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills)




W
30-23 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311218002) The Bills finished 6-10







16
Sat, Dec 24


@

New England (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)




L
27-24 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311224017) New England 13-3 (regular season)







17
Sun, Jan 1


vs

New York (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets)




W
19-17 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=320101015) The Jets 8-8









Giants last 9 opponents


9
Sun, Nov 6


@

New England (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)




W
24-20 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106017) 13-3 and beat them when it mattered







10
Sun, Nov 13


@

San Francisco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers)




L
27-20 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311113025) 13-3 and beat them when it mattered







11
Sun, Nov 20


vs

Philadelphia (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles)




L
17-10 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311120019) Finished 8-8







12
Mon, Nov 28


@

New Orleans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-saints)




L
49-24 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311128018) Finished 13-3







13
Sun, Dec 4


vs

Green Bay (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers)




L
38-35 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311204019) 15-1 and beat them when it mattered







14
Sun, Dec 11


@

Dallas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys)




W
37-34 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311211006) finished 8-8








15
Sun, Dec 18


vs

Washington (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins)




L
23-10 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311218019) Finished 5-11







16
Sat, Dec 24


@

New York (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets)




W
29-14 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311224020) Finished 8-8







17
Sun, Jan 1


vs

Dallas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys)




W
31-14 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=320101019) finished 8-8

LarryFinFan
04-05-2012, 04:38 PM
Big difference is we can project that Manning will be able to duplicate or best that effort....can we say the same about MMoore ??

CirclingWagons
04-05-2012, 10:50 PM
ELITE Manning has no equal.

NY8123
04-05-2012, 11:25 PM
ELITE Manning has no equal.


in the NFC East.

hemidemon
04-06-2012, 01:31 AM
I quoted you, but its not what you meant. Its your writing skills lacking, not my reading comprehension.

Go to school. I can't dumb it down anymore than it is. Comprehension is a good thing. Work on it.

Phinatic8u
04-06-2012, 01:50 AM
Manning wins super bowls. If Matt Moore wins us a super bowl then we'll talk.

Err..Marino never won superbowls.

Eli>>>>>>>>Marino.

39wildman
04-06-2012, 03:59 AM
they did not win superbowl because of manning they win it because of thier defense. eli have step his game up last 2 yr but before that he was avg qb but moore is not that far behind him. matt need find teams to play for that want him. maybe not dolphins but some other team in nfl.... dolphins fan are jack ass they want someone out college ready to win game now that will not happens this yr. what team that win superbowl doesnt have good defense. for record dolphins defense team look good when it come to number but our defense is not that good when it come to 4 qtr.

NYinBostonFin
04-06-2012, 07:35 AM
Go to school. I can't dumb it down anymore than it is. Comprehension is a good thing. Work on it.

No substance, just juvenile attacks. Just called out several times by several others with no defense on your dumb thread.

Moron

cdz12250
04-07-2012, 07:26 AM
Please.

No offense to Matt Moore, but please.