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BAMAPHIN 22
04-24-2012, 01:32 PM
The "Saturday Night Live" alum and Democrat skewered the commander-in-chief during a recorded comedy show, calling Obama a "f---ing a-hole" and ripping his take on taxing the rich....Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/jon-lovitz-saturday-night-live-alum-rips-president-obama-a-f-ing-a-hole-article-1.1066578#ixzz1sypDP6Lv

Eshlemon
04-24-2012, 02:27 PM
...and Obama jumps 5% in the polls.

Dolphins9954
04-24-2012, 03:22 PM
Lovitz does hit it right on about success being frowned upon today.

Locke
04-24-2012, 04:34 PM
Lovitz does hit it right on about success being frowned upon today.

No, success at the expense of others is frowned upon, not success in general. Pretty big difference...

Dolphins9954
04-24-2012, 04:45 PM
No, success at the expense of others is frowned upon, not success in general. Pretty big difference...

I believe there are many who don't distinguish the 2. I remember reading something about an occupy protest where the protesters blocked the street and wouldn't let cars that were deemed "rich people's" through. Or shutting down the ports which only hurt the 99% more than anything. I understand the anger against the banks and wallstreet which is warranted. But it seems many are casting broad nets when it comes to the woes of the country and especially the economy.

phinfan3411
04-24-2012, 07:14 PM
This stuff bothers me because it is nothing more than pandering. He, IMO is being deceitful with full knowledge of the situation.

It seems to me many believe this move to be a big move, and would go far to solving our problems, but in reality it does not seem to be even close.

I believe ten years of collecting this tax they talk about will basically pay the interest on our debt for ONE year. I almost wish they would just do it so we can move on to the other 95% of the problem.

Locke
04-24-2012, 07:25 PM
I believe there are many who don't distinguish the 2. I remember reading something about an occupy protest where the protesters blocked the street and wouldn't let cars that were deemed "rich people's" through. Or shutting down the ports which only hurt the 99% more than anything. I understand the anger against the banks and wallstreet which is warranted. But it seems many are casting broad nets when it comes to the woes of the country and especially the economy.

I'd agree, with the caveat that many be clarified as the vocal extreme minority. That would be akin to saying Ron Paul voters hate blacks because a select few think he is talking in KKK code in his speeches. We know that isn't true and it's only an extremely small portion who like to yap about it incessantly...

Tunaphish429
04-24-2012, 07:40 PM
Ok John Lovitz you were funny like 20 years go..not anymore..and you dont make any ****ing sense..Make a dollar and they take half? Ok ...maybe if he did his own income taxes or watched the news he would know that is not the case..Mitt Romney only paid 20% if I am correct? And no John you cant write off driving your car to work or anything like that unless you own your own business. Which it seems John does..I am sure he rights off every little thing..Conservatives wanna talk about people who commit welfare fraud? What about the ppl who own small businesses and pocket money rather than putting it on the books..You don't think that happens? Success tax is the biggest bull **** story I have ever heard. The only reason why you were able to make money in this great country is because of tax to begin with..If your government asked you to go to war for a just cause would you not go?, but if your country asks for some more money to pay for **** other ppl need then its a problem right? Its selfish...Ceo's on wall street are still making huge money...Millions of dollars a year...and ppl like us who are making under 100 are fighting to keep there taxes low? It makes no ****ing sense..If Obama wants to tax ppl making over 250 k a year a little more fine by me..Go ahead a take a pay cut at work if you dont like it.

Dogbone34
04-24-2012, 07:48 PM
Yeah obama is a crazy man, that's the ticket, yeah

and I'm engaged to Morgan Fairchild, yeah Morgan Fairchild, no wait I'm married to Suzanne Somers

Dolphins9954
04-24-2012, 08:13 PM
Ok John Lovitz you were funny like 20 years go..not anymore..and you dont make any ****ing sense..Make a dollar and they take half? Ok ...maybe if he did his own income taxes or watched the news he would know that is not the case..Mitt Romney only paid 20% if I am correct? And no John you cant write off driving your car to work or anything like that unless you own your own business. Which it seems John does..I am sure he rights off every little thing..Conservatives wanna talk about people who commit welfare fraud? What about the ppl who own small businesses and pocket money rather than putting it on the books..You don't think that happens? Success tax is the biggest bull **** story I have ever heard. The only reason why you were able to make money in this great country is because of tax to begin with..If your government asked you to go to war for a just cause would you not go?, but if your country asks for some more money to pay for **** other ppl need then its a problem right? Its selfish...Ceo's on wall street are still making huge money...Millions of dollars a year...and ppl like us who are making under 100 are fighting to keep there taxes low? It makes no ****ing sense..If Obama wants to tax ppl making over 250 k a year a little more fine by me..Go ahead a take a pay cut at work if you dont like it.

Obama wants to raise taxes to pay for more spending while totally ignoring the budget and deficits. That's the problem. I would actually support raising taxes if it went to balancing the budget along with spending cuts. That's the responsible and logical thing to do. Unfortunately those 2 things don't exist in Washington.

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This stuff bothers me because it is nothing more than pandering. He, IMO is being deceitful with full knowledge of the situation.

It seems to me many believe this move to be a big move, and would go far to solving our problems, but in reality it does not seem to be even close.

I believe ten years of collecting this tax they talk about will basically pay the interest on our debt for ONE year. I almost wish they would just do it so we can move on to the other 95% of the problem.

It's nothing but a smokescreen to hide the fact that the government sucks with our money.

Dolphins9954
04-24-2012, 08:28 PM
I'd agree, with the caveat that many be clarified as the vocal extreme minority. That would be akin to saying Ron Paul voters hate blacks because a select few think he is talking in KKK code in his speeches. We know that isn't true and it's only an extremely small portion who like to yap about it incessantly...

When it comes to Obama and the Dems it's all a diversionary tactic to deflect the reality that the government is reckless and irresponsible with our money. Along with masking the fact that Obama is in bed with the 1% while trying to portray himself as a hero to the 99%. Complete BS. One thing I did notice from going to a couple occupy protests here in Tampa. Was that many people did have a general hatred toward the rich or anyone successful. The term "Eat The Rich" was very prevalent along with an anti-capitalism mindset. From my exp. it was about 50/50. The other half was wiser to the situation and understood the banking, monetary and fiscal connections to everything. One thing the occupy movment really needs to do is distinguish the difference between capitalism vs. corporatism and greed vs. success. It turned my off and I ended up not going to the protests anymore.

NY8123
04-25-2012, 10:02 AM
What a ****ing fabulous idea - grow pot and give it away and then claim it as a tax deduction!

Yeah I had nothing and now I have half of a lot lol. Funny ****.

ohall
04-25-2012, 10:22 AM
No, success at the expense of others is frowned upon, not success in general. Pretty big difference...

lol expense of others?

You ever heard of a poor person hiring ppl?

LouPhinFan
04-25-2012, 10:33 AM
Wait, Jon Lovitz is still alive?

Locke
04-25-2012, 11:42 AM
lol expense of others?

You ever heard of a poor person hiring ppl?

We're never going to agree on this topic, and I don't feel like hearing your hyper-partisan opinion on the topic, so I'm just not going to get into it. I'll only say that success is a great great thing. My father came to this country as an immigrant, started his own business, and now makes six figures annually. The difference is he did so without screwing over anyone else along the way, he just worked hard, found a niche that was needed in the community, and filled it ethically and at a high level. Success that comes forth because all the jobs were shipped to Indonesia so they can pay them 10 cents an hour as opposed to giving an American a job because 10 bucks an hour is just too much is sickening. This country is dying because of crap like that, but they don't care because the CEO and other board members are making millions. That's success at the expense of others, and it's absolutely disgusting...

ohall
04-25-2012, 11:49 AM
We're never going to agree on this topic, and I don't feel like hearing your hyper-partisan opinion on the topic, so I'm just not going to get into it. I'll only say that success is a great great thing. My father came to this country as an immigrant, started his own business, and now makes six figures annually. The difference is he did so without screwing over anyone else along the way, he just worked hard, found a niche that was needed in the community, and filled it ethically and at a high level. Success that comes forth because all the jobs were shipped to Indonesia so they can pay them 10 cents an hour as opposed to giving an American a job because 10 bucks an hour is just too much is sickening. This country is dying because of crap like that, but they don't care because the CEO and other board members are making millions. That's success at the expense of others, and it's absolutely disgusting...

Stop the Obama act. Answer the question, do poor ppl hire ppl? You can spin all you want. We all want ppl to do well and earn a good living. However countries that do well work from the top down. Run away from reality all you want. And as I've said if I'm partisan you are 100 x's more so.

But answer the question, for once, pretty please even.

WSE
04-25-2012, 11:55 AM
Lovitz wants to pay less in taxes?

That must mean he is a philanthropist employing thousands of people....

No wait, he is just a greedy rich dude, upset that the lowest tax rates in 50 some odd years are at debate.....moving on.

WSE
04-25-2012, 12:02 PM
This stuff bothers me because it is nothing more than pandering. He, IMO is being deceitful with full knowledge of the situation.

It seems to me many believe this move to be a big move, and would go far to solving our problems, but in reality it does not seem to be even close.

I believe ten years of collecting this tax they talk about will basically pay the interest on our debt for ONE year. I almost wish they would just do it so we can move on to the other 95% of the problem.

I dont think it will solve our problems, but as Stewart said a few days ago, the same Republicans who are saying this is a drop in the water said a few months ago how a couple hundred million was so much when it came to funding for Planned Parenthood's contraception and the like. And are saying how 400 some odd billion or whatever that number is is now a drop in the water

The way I see it, its better than cutting funding in other areas, like education, social security, medicaid, etc which Republicans seem to want to go after like no tomorrow (cutting Defense spending in any real way, though we have the highest of all countries in the world combined, is a pipe dream and will never actually be up for discussion). It also adds fairness to a system that Bush rigged in favor of the rich. So would I rather cut medicare or ask for a guarantee that the rich to pay more in % than the middle class in taxes and not get to screw the system with all the exceptions and such? 30% is still a low number historically for high end tax rate- look it up. Its an easy answer

the better answer would be to cut the exceptions and lower the rate, but that would increase the total amount, so that's not going to happen.

Locke
04-25-2012, 12:04 PM
Stop the Obama act. Answer the question, do poor ppl hire ppl? You can spin all you want. We all want ppl to do well and earn a good living. However countries that do well work from the top down. Run away from reality all you want. And as I've said if I'm partisan you are 100 x's more so.

But answer the question, for once, pretty please even.

I said my piece, I'm not getting into hyper-partisan dick-swinging contest...

ohall
04-25-2012, 12:27 PM
I said my piece, I'm not getting into hyper-partisan dick-swinging contest...

I find it so hypocritical of you that you can't answer a simple question. Have you ever seen a poor person hire ppl?

Real growth is always from the top down. Common sense tells me GOV doesn't have it's own money. It takes it from the masses, and the rich pay the far majority of all FED taxes paid in this country. Socialism is a great idea until you run out of the other guys money.

You push the rich, they simply stop hiring, spending their money or they simply move their business to a more friendly country. Which now of course is every other big country in the world. We now have the largest corporate tax rate in the world. Theres no way you can make me believe you don't understand that to be true.

There's a reason corporate earnings are so high and why so many companies are cash rich. They are waiting for the situation to be settled so they can invest in growth. High taxes = slow growth, IMO it's common sense.

Locke
04-25-2012, 12:55 PM
I find it so hypocritical of you that you can't answer a simple question. Have you ever seen a poor person hire ppl?

Real growth is always from the top down. Common sense tells me GOV doesn't have it's own money. It takes it from the masses, and the rich pay the far majority of all FED taxes paid in this country. Socialism is a great idea until you run out of the other guys money.

You push the rich, they simply stop hiring, spending their money or they simply move their business to a more friendly country. Which now of course is every other big country in the world. We now have the largest corporate tax rate in the world. Theres no way you can make me believe you don't understand that to be true.

There's a reason corporate earnings are so high and why so many companies are cash rich. They are waiting for the situation to be settled so they can invest in growth. High taxes = slow growth, IMO it's common sense.

Not can't, simply won't. I've had this exact conversation dozens of times with several conservatives. It's the same cookie-cutter argument that you all use. I just don't have the patience to sit down and have the exact same conversation yet again, full knowing you're just going to arrogantly proclaim you're right, regardless of anything I say. It's an effort in futility. If you want to have this conversation with me, go back into the archives and find one of the other exact same debates I've had with any number of posters...

ohall
04-25-2012, 03:18 PM
Not can't, simply won't. I've had this exact conversation dozens of times with several conservatives. It's the same cookie-cutter argument that you all use. I just don't have the patience to sit down and have the exact same conversation yet again, full knowing you're just going to arrogantly proclaim you're right, regardless of anything I say. It's an effort in futility. If you want to have this conversation with me, go back into the archives and find one of the other exact same debates I've had with any number of posters...

Answer the question. Have you ever heard of poor ppl hiring ppl for jobs?

Stop the ghost name calling and just answer the question.

LANGER72
04-25-2012, 04:12 PM
No, success at the expense of others is frowned upon, not success in general. Pretty big difference...


Very profound, but flawed statement. Where do I begin....:idk:

Locke
04-25-2012, 06:35 PM
Very profound, but flawed statement. Where do I begin....:idk:

Begin where you'd like. As long as I'm not being asked to repeat an argument I've had dozens of times, I'll be glad to engage you in conversation...

Tetragrammaton
04-25-2012, 08:19 PM
Who employs people isn't a matter of rich or poor. If you work at Wal-Mart, your checks might come from a billionaire, but his money comes from poor people. So poor people do hire people using that sort of logic.

Dolphins9954
04-25-2012, 09:25 PM
A ton of that Wal-Mart money comes food stamps too.

Locke
04-25-2012, 09:31 PM
A ton of that Wal-Mart money comes food stamps too.

And Medicaid money. The amount of government money that Wal-Mart takes is ridiculous...

Dogbone34
04-25-2012, 10:02 PM
raising taxes to feed the beast is a dumb idea

this stuffs not that hard

Dolphins9954
04-25-2012, 10:12 PM
And Medicaid money. The amount of government money that Wal-Mart takes is ridiculous...

Yeah the government basically subsidizes Wal-Mart.

LANGER72
05-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Locke, I admire what your father has accomplished. To start from scratch and build a successful business to provide for family was not an easy thing to do in the past. Nowadays, it is even tougher. People like your father starting out today would be looking for someone who talks about reducing the taxes on small business and reducing regulation to make it easier and less costly to get started. The bottom line is keeping your own hard earned money and not letting the government fritter it away on whores, lavish lifestyles for the government elite, social programs that discourage marriage in order to obtain benefits, and so much waste everywhere you look..

Ohall, I agree with post 20..except the part that government doesn't have it's own money. They can print as much as they need. It is just worthless paper.
Once we went off the gold standard during the Nixon administration, it became monopoly money. If we can ever get our house in order, we need to reestablish the gold standard.

TheMageGandalf
05-10-2012, 12:00 AM
Answer the question. Have you ever heard of poor ppl hiring ppl for jobs?


What is your definition of 'poor'? People on Welfare? People who make less than $250,000? What?

My brother in 1993 opened a video store with only $5,000 at the time and 0 in income. His wife was laid off at the time and he had quit his job to pursue this venue.

He had saved that money up from his wife's job and his own job. They, combined, made $45,000 a year when they were working at the same time. Hardly rich.

He opened his store and hired two people right off the bat. I would think he was 'poor' since he had 0 income at the time and didn't make much before that.

ohall
05-10-2012, 10:11 AM
What is your definition of 'poor'? People on Welfare? People who make less than $250,000? What?

My brother in 1993 opened a video store with only $5,000 at the time and 0 in income. His wife was laid off at the time and he had quit his job to pursue this venue.

He had saved that money up from his wife's job and his own job. They, combined, made $45,000 a year when they were working at the same time. Hardly rich.

He opened his store and hired two people right off the bat. I would think he was 'poor' since he had 0 income at the time and didn't make much before that.

lol if you can hire ppl, you aren't poor.

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Locke, I admire what your father has accomplished. To start from scratch and build a successful business to provide for family was not an easy thing to do in the past. Nowadays, it is even tougher. People like your father starting out today would be looking for someone who talks about reducing the taxes on small business and reducing regulation to make it easier and less costly to get started. The bottom line is keeping your own hard earned money and not letting the government fritter it away on whores, lavish lifestyles for the government elite, social programs that discourage marriage in order to obtain benefits, and so much waste everywhere you look..

Ohall, I agree with post 20..except the part that government doesn't have it's own money. They can print as much as they need. It is just worthless paper.
Once we went off the gold standard during the Nixon administration, it became monopoly money. If we can ever get our house in order, we need to reestablish the gold standard.

Agreed they can print more of our own money. :)

Locke
05-10-2012, 11:12 AM
What is your definition of 'poor'? People on Welfare? People who make less than $250,000? What?

My brother in 1993 opened a video store with only $5,000 at the time and 0 in income. His wife was laid off at the time and he had quit his job to pursue this venue.

He had saved that money up from his wife's job and his own job. They, combined, made $45,000 a year when they were working at the same time. Hardly rich.

He opened his store and hired two people right off the bat. I would think he was 'poor' since he had 0 income at the time and didn't make much before that.

Now you see why I refused to engage with him, especially in a topic as convoluted as this...

ohall
05-10-2012, 12:02 PM
Now you see why I refused to engage with him, especially in a topic as convoluted as this...

Partisan huh.

Vaark
05-10-2012, 12:16 PM
If "no we can't" refers to continuing to give tax breaks to, and relax health and safety regulations on behalf of conglomerates that both move headquarters offshore and/or outsource their labor forces at the expense of US workers then he's absolutely correct! If "no we can't" means bankers and corporate officers, many of them sucking off the taxpayers' tit at one time or another are allowed to continue to reward themselves obscene bonuses while laying off employees or shipping their jobs out of the country in pursuit of the bottom-line profitability which largely gets sidestepped when tax time rolls around, then I definitely concur.

The thing is that despite me likely being funnier at this point than Lovitz (someone I've not given any thought to literally in years), and having more education -all in business, compared his Theater Arts undergraduate degree, I'm as qualified to comment as he is; however not being a has-been C or now D-List celebrity, lack the podium to do so. The point is, that doesn't give his opinion any more traction than mine or yours, whether in accord or differing . Long way of saying, there's absolutely no way to take this guy any more seriously than the UPS man who delivers your Amazon order.

LANGER72
05-10-2012, 06:58 PM
Lovitt is a democrat. He was just upset at the notion that paying 35-45% of his income, whatever it is, is not enough to satisfy some pin heads calculation of what he should be taxed at. Obama wants to tax more to spend more. Lovitt was absolutely correct and a lot of his Hollywood buddies agree with him in private.

Dolphins9954
05-10-2012, 07:00 PM
The taxes debate is nothing but a smoke screen to hide the real issue of government sucking balls when it comes to being responsible with our money.

LANGER72
05-10-2012, 08:02 PM
The taxes debate is nothing but a smoke screen to hide the real issue of government sucking balls when it comes to being responsible with our money.


Yea that ^