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rob19
05-20-2012, 08:05 AM
Cant leave U.S. for fear of being arrested.


It’s official; George W Bush is a war criminal.

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.


Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.


The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.


They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.


At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

A few examples of the torture





Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his fingernails removed by pliers.
Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and hung from a wall.
Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement.
Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield whilst being transported by helicopter.



“We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany.” -- human rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world.

I'd absolutely love to see Gee Dubya get arrested. :hclap:


http://libertarianreview.us/2012/05/16/george-w-bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-cant-leave-u-s-fearing-arrest/

Locke
05-20-2012, 10:02 AM
:lol:

I dislike Bush as much as anyone else, but come on Malaysia. Arresting any former President of the U.S. is a sh*tstorm that any country better be ready to handle. I don't think Malaysia has the political capital to pull something like that off...

LANGER72
05-20-2012, 10:07 AM
Just a bunch of BS from a kangaroo court. A pissant country arresting a former president of the US? Maybe Clinton will be convicted in Kosovo? Obama in Pakistan? Where does it end. Just ridiculous.

rob19
05-20-2012, 10:34 AM
:lol:

I dislike Bush as much as anyone else, but come on Malaysia. Arresting any former President of the U.S. is a sh*tstorm that any country better be ready to handle. I don't think Malaysia has the political capital to pull something like that off...

They do seem pretty determined :chuckle:

rob19
05-20-2012, 10:39 AM
I do think they could nab Cheney and Rumsfeld and not many people would mind

Locke
05-20-2012, 10:53 AM
I do think they could nab Cheney and Rumsfeld and not many people would mind

I'd buy the arresting officers a beer...

Dolphins9954
05-20-2012, 11:32 AM
Bush deserves a peace prize.

NamathDrunkLove
05-20-2012, 12:21 PM
Before Malaysia takes the moral high ground, perhaps they should fix some of their own problems first...

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Killerphins
05-20-2012, 12:44 PM
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WSE
05-20-2012, 01:25 PM
well obviously nobody is even going to attempt an arrest- its just symbolic

I remember other countries doing the same with Cheney, though this is the first I hear of Bush

in the end, it means pretty much nothing as Malaysia means no reach. No Malaysian vacations is something I think these 7 could handle.

Tetragrammaton
05-20-2012, 02:44 PM
Just a bunch of BS from a kangaroo court. A pissant country arresting a former president of the US? Maybe Clinton will be convicted in Kosovo? Obama in Pakistan? Where does it end. Just ridiculous.

Every post-World War II President has deserved to be imprisoned for their own various international misgivings.

France convicted Jacques Chirac; Israel indicted Ehud Olmert. We are behind in making our politicians pay for their crimes.

jared81
05-20-2012, 02:49 PM
Cant leave U.S. for fear of being arrested.



A few examples of the torture



I'd absolutely love to see Gee Dubya get arrested. :hclap:


http://libertarianreview.us/2012/05/16/george-w-bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-cant-leave-u-s-fearing-arrest/


Do you believe Obama is a war criminal?

jared81
05-20-2012, 02:52 PM
This means nothing. Maybe I can hold a trail for someone I don't like and call them a war criminal. Maybe Malaysia should fix some of their child trafficking issues before worry about our business.

rob19
05-20-2012, 03:07 PM
Do you believe Obama is a war criminal?

Anyone who authorizes a document that turns America into a war zone for the sake of detaining American citizens without trial sounds like a war criminal to me.

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This isn't a left vs right issue

LANGER72
05-20-2012, 03:12 PM
I do think they could nab Cheney and Rumsfeld and not many people would mind

Cheney has one foot in the box already. Rumsfeld was just following orders. Nothing will happen to them.

LANGER72
05-20-2012, 03:16 PM
Every post-World War II President has deserved to be imprisoned for their own various international misgivings.

France convicted Jacques Chirac; Israel indicted Ehud Olmert. We are behind in making our politicians pay for their crimes.


Including our Nobel Peace prize winner?

Tetragrammaton
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Including our Nobel Peace prize winner?

Yes, both of them. Hence the word every.

cdz12250
05-20-2012, 06:17 PM
And thus you see the impotence, futility and provincialism of the so-called international legal order.
I'm off to Netflix to see if they still have "The Mouse That Roared."

Dolphins9954
05-20-2012, 07:36 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Tetragrammaton
05-20-2012, 08:12 PM
Everyone likes to pretend that the opposing political parties in America hate each other so much, but at every step they look out for each other. The Obama Administration has continually blocked investigation of members of the Bush Administration. Honor among thieves is no joke.

Tunaphish429
05-21-2012, 12:09 AM
If they want bush to come to their country all they would need to do is buy him a six pack and around an eight ball of coke and he would come on down.

Killerphins
05-21-2012, 12:16 AM
If they want bush to come to their country all they would need to do is buy him a six pack and around an eight ball of coke and he would come on down.

:tumbleweed:

DolfanDuBbZ~
05-21-2012, 06:19 PM
Kumpulan Mujahedin Malaysia should be the concern there in Malaysia. A bananna republic with Islamic terrorists in their midst have time to convict a US president for killing and imprisoning said Islamic Terrorists? Classic. And a liberal agreeing with this banana republic, is typical. What enemy of the state does a liberal not like?:ponder:

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If they want bush to come to their country all they would need to do is buy him a six pack and around an eight ball of coke and he would come on down.


Bush don't drink. On the other hand, Barry not only drinks but has done coke too and inhaled, after all that was the purpose.

Vaark
05-21-2012, 07:15 PM
Kumpulan Mujahedin Malaysia should be the concern there in Malaysia. A bananna republic with Islamic terrorists in their midst have time to convict a US president for killing and imprisoning said Islamic Terrorists? Classic. And a liberal agreeing with this banana republic, is typical. What enemy of the state does a liberal not like?:ponder:

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Bush don't drink. On the other hand, Barry not only drinks but has done coke too and inhaled, after all that was the purpose.

Actually, there are loads of links that make a convincing case that Bush was the clueless, inarticulate buffoon he had become, so easy to manipulate by Cheney and his fellow world view NeoCons on account of suffering the symptoms of "Dry Drunk Syndrome" from years of over-indulging when hitting the bottle. So you're likely right that he probably didn't drink when in the WH, but long before that, the damage was done. And yes, there's also plenty of suggestion that one of the reasons he deserted his Airforce National Guard active "get out of serving in VN free pass" commitment was due to excessive substance abusing in his wild, privileged and enabled youth, including cocaine (and a rumored abortion in Houston).

Additionally of course there's the DUI in Kennbunkport too. Well not as bad as Darth Cheney and his 2 DUIs, (and systematic student and then young father draft exemption extensions to avoid fighting in the kind of wars he thought nothing of putting others' children into harm's way) but you gotta believe, for every time a drunk driver is apprehended, there's a large multiple of times he wasn't or that his big shot daddy squelched the charges. Whether Obama recreationally used drugs or not (hell I did), to use of all people, GWB as the benchmark by which to compare really forfeits any high ground.

Locke
05-21-2012, 07:45 PM
Actually, there are loads of links that make a convincing case that Bush was the clueless, inarticulate buffoon he had become, so easy to manipulate by Cheney and his fellow world view NeoCons on account of suffering the symptoms of "Dry Drunk Syndrome" from years of over-indulging when hitting the bottle. So you're likely right that he probably didn't drink when in the WH, but long before that, the damage was done. And yes, there's also plenty of suggestion that one of the reasons he deserted his Airforce National Guard active "get out of serving in VN free pass" commitment was due to excessive substance abusing in his wild, privileged and enabled youth, including cocaine (and a rumored abortion in Houston).

Additionally of course there's the DUI in Kennbunkport too. Well not as bad as Darth Cheney and his 2 DUIs, (and systematic student and then young father draft exemption extensions to avoid fighting in the kind of wars he thought nothing of putting others' children into harm's way) but you gotta believe, for every time a drunk driver is apprehended, there's a large multiple of times he wasn't or that his big shot daddy squelched the charges. Whether Obama recreationally used drugs or not (hell I did), to use of all people, GWB as the benchmark by which to compare really forfeits any high ground.




Boom. Roasted.

rob19
05-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Actually, there are loads of links that make a convincing case that Bush was the clueless, inarticulate buffoon he had become, so easy to manipulate by Cheney and his fellow world view NeoCons on account of suffering the symptoms of "Dry Drunk Syndrome" from years of over-indulging when hitting the bottle. So you're likely right that he probably didn't drink when in the WH, but long before that, the damage was done. And yes, there's also plenty of suggestion that one of the reasons he deserted his Airforce National Guard active "get out of serving in VN free pass" commitment was due to excessive substance abusing in his wild, privileged and enabled youth, including cocaine (and a rumored abortion in Houston).

Additionally of course there's the DUI in Kennbunkport too. Well not as bad as Darth Cheney and his 2 DUIs, (and systematic student and then young father draft exemption extensions to avoid fighting in the kind of wars he thought nothing of putting others' children into harm's way) but you gotta believe, for every time a drunk driver is apprehended, there's a large multiple of times he wasn't or that his big shot daddy squelched the charges. Whether Obama recreationally used drugs or not (hell I did), to use of all people, GWB as the benchmark by which to compare really forfeits any high ground.




He was also supposedly arrested for cocaine in 1972 and had it expunged via family ties. Y'all can google it.

Also there's other clips of this audio out there where he admits to smoking Cannabis (not that I think there's anything wrong with that), but I could only find this one, skip to about 0.35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3MJxpEfSXI


"Do you want your little kid, to say, 'Hey daddy, President Bush tried marijuana; I think I will?'" said Bush on the tapes. "That's the message we've been sending out. I wouldn't answer the marijuana question." - "You know why? 'Cause I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

You dun' picked the wrong guy to pin as a straight-edge.