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broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 09:50 AM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”

and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

little biggen
06-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Not sure how philbin will turn out but so far i like what i see.i hate tony sparano so glad he is gone

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 09:57 AM
Maybe Sparano will have better results as a coordinator, like CamCam did for a few years in Baltimore... But as a head coach, Sparano is a joke... And we are in far better shape now in the front office..

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 09:58 AM
It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett) recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/15/dolphins-players-like-joe-philbins-more-personal-style/

This clown should have been canned in 2010...

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 10:01 AM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker
Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”


and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

:lol: "Players love Sparano." So funny hearing that from his supporters last year. The funny thing is, he pretty much is the only one gone, outside of the trash he continued to play (Colombo, etc.).

EvilDylan
06-15-2012, 10:04 AM
Kind of a shocking quote by Sparano, I didn't think he would say something like that. Talk about negative reinforcement.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:06 AM
Kind of a shocking quote by Sparano, I didn't think he would say something like that. Talk about negative reinforcement.

Its very Cam Cameron-ish... just as far as delusional comments go

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 10:08 AM
Kind of a shocking quote by Sparano, I didn't think he would say something like that. Talk about negative reinforcement.

Fired a year too late.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:09 AM
Fired a year too late.

Maybe not, if Philbin does well.

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 10:15 AM
Maybe not, if Philbin does well.

I can't justify it like that. He was a ****ty coach. He should have been fired. Period. Was Philbin not available that year? Let's say that was the case, or that they didn't want to bring a coach in with the shortened offseason (which is also nonsense, considering Harbaugh didn't seem to have a problem implementing his system in that time); that's basically saying "we're going to accept one more ****ty year with a ****ty coach so we can get our guy next year." If that's the case, why not truly tank the season and grab Andrew Luck?

That being said, I don't think that's the approach they took. I think they just made a stupid mistake in keeping Sparano a year too long.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:17 AM
I can't justify it like that. He was a ****ty coach. He should have been fired. Period. Was Philbin not available that year? Let's say that was the case, or that they didn't want to bring a coach in with the shortened offseason (which is also nonsense, considering Harbaugh didn't seem to have a problem implementing his system in that time); that's basically saying "we're going to accept one more ****ty year with a ****ty coach so we can get our guy next year." If that's the case, why not truly tank the season and grab Andrew Luck?

That being said, I don't think that's the approach they took. I think they just made a stupid mistake in keeping Sparano a year too long.

I can agree with that. If Philbin does well, it'll ease the pain... Better justification? lol

nyjunc
06-15-2012, 10:18 AM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”

and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

we won't be 0-6 and he won't be our HC.

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 10:19 AM
I can agree with that. If Philbin does well, it'll ease the pain... Better justification? lol

Indeed.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:20 AM
we won't be 0-6 and he won't be our HC.

I dont think you'll be 0-6, either. But If the Tebow experiment fails, and you fail to make the playoffs, NY will be calling for Rex's head. And WHO do you think is going to get the first shot at coaching the Jets? Not rocket science...

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 10:21 AM
I cant tell you how many times I had to argue that the guy was a joke, not a motivator, and the players did not want to play for him. He was in way over his head. I keep bringing this up, but it was classic when Long laughed at him right in his face.
:lol: "Players love Sparano." So funny hearing that from his supporters last year. The funny thing is, he pretty much is the only one gone, outside of the trash he continued to play (Colombo, etc.).

Vaark
06-15-2012, 10:22 AM
Wonder how many "ya knows," "at the end of the day's," and "uh uh uh's" went into that embarrassing diatribe.

For self-preservation, players, when in the moment, really do need to be political.. but most of 'em aren't Vince Young or Antonio Cromartie-level functional morons; you would think as a player they'd prefer to follow the lead of someone whom they have reasonable confidence is smarter than they are. :idk:

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 10:23 AM
I would love nothing more than to have The Meatball coach the Jets!
I dont think you'll be 0-6, either. But If the Tebow experiment fails, and you fail to make the playoffs, NY will be calling for Rex's head. And WHO do you think is going to get the first shot at coaching the Jets? Not rocket science...

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Thats the thing.. They didnt think Meatball was smarter than they are.. And its likely he isnt.
Wonder how many "ya knows," "at the end of the day's," and "uh uh uh's" went into that embarrassing diatribe.

For self-preservation, players, when in the moment, really do need to be political.. but most of 'em aren't Vince Young or Antonio Cromartie-level functional morons; you would think as a player they'd prefer to follow the lead of someone whom they have reasonable confidence is smarter than they are. :idk:

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:24 AM
I would love nothing more than to have The Meatball coach the Jets!

You will see Sparano as the head coach of the Jets at some point. Maybe not this year, and it may be shortlived, but its coming...

You heard it here first, folks!

SuperMarksBros.
06-15-2012, 10:24 AM
we won't be 0-6 and he won't be our HC.
His 3rd and 9 running back draws in the red zone WILL make you pull your hair out. Sparano is conservative on steroids.

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 10:26 AM
I can't justify it like that. He was a ****ty coach. He should have been fired. Period. Was Philbin not available that year? Let's say that was the case, or that they didn't want to bring a coach in with the shortened offseason (which is also nonsense, considering Harbaugh didn't seem to have a problem implementing his system in that time); that's basically saying "we're going to accept one more ****ty year with a ****ty coach so we can get our guy next year." If that's the case, why not truly tank the season and grab Andrew Luck?

That being said, I don't think that's the approach they took. I think they just made a stupid mistake in keeping Sparano a year too long.
Not only that, but they gave him a freakin extension because the DB's feelings were hurt.

---------- Post added at 10:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:26 AM ----------

Even better, his 3rd and 18 play action passes
His 3rd and 9 running back draws in the red zone WILL make you pull your hair out. Sparano is conservative on steroids.

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 10:27 AM
I cant tell you how many times I had to argue that the guy was a joke, not a motivator, and the players did not want to play for him. He was in way over his head. I keep bringing this up, but it was classic when Long laughed at him right in his face.
I know, it was frustrating. It was so obvious that the players had no respect for him by the end of 2010, but then they suddenly love playing for him in 2011? Makes no sense. And the one game I bothered going to last year (and it wasn't even in Miami), I got to watch a complete break down and loss of control of the team. He was in WAY over his head.

Another funny thing is that was the reason I heard FAR more than any other for keeping Sparano, and it was complete and utter bull****.

crumpdaddy
06-15-2012, 10:29 AM
I had no prob with tony at first, but i dont think he overrided his coordinators as far as saying thats stupid. we had a team that could compete his entire tenure here but playcalling decisions beat us just as much as bad play. I'd rather be the favorite than the underdogs but i think philibins team of "underdogs" can quickly become the favorites

Wildbill3
06-15-2012, 10:32 AM
I'm on the side that thought the players supported him, but that quote shows that they clearly didn't. I'm surprised that burrnett made that public.

nyjunc
06-15-2012, 10:34 AM
I dont think you'll be 0-6, either. But If the Tebow experiment fails, and you fail to make the playoffs, NY will be calling for Rex's head. And WHO do you think is going to get the first shot at coaching the Jets? Not rocket science...

I agree if we fail to make the playoffs there will be some heat on rex but we'd have to be 4-12 for him to get Fired. Woody loves him and he's not hiring Sparano if rex if ever gets fired.


One thing I will add(as I am experienced seeing many coaching changes) is that no matter who the new coach is you will always see great quotes. I saw it when we hired Kotite, parcells, groh, Herm, Mangini and Rex. I'm sure you guys saw it w/ JJ, Wanny, Saban, Cameron and Tony. heck, our offensive guys are raving about Tony. The new coaches will always get positive quotes.


His 3rd and 9 running back draws in the red zone WILL make you pull your hair out. Sparano is conservative on steroids.

He didn't call plays for you guys.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:38 AM
I agree if we fail to make the playoffs there will be some heat on rex but we'd have to be 4-12 for him to get Fired.

I disagree. I think the Jets get a LOT of extra pressure....
1) Sports teams in New York are the most heavily criticized teams in the country.. For some reason EVERYTHING in New York has to be the best...
2) The Giants really put the Jets between a rock and a hard place.. If Rex continues to lead a team thats far inferior to the g men, he will be fired--sooner than later

Vaark
06-15-2012, 10:44 AM
I gotta admit that I thought Tony was the real deal, being hand-chosen by the successful coach who knew him best and seemingly orchestrating the greatest turn-around in league history. However the cracks did start becoming more visible in his questionable time outs and other field decisions (props to WV.. where the heck is he, who was on top of that long before anyone else). However, what did it for me was him throwing his players under the bus for poor execution while indemnifying and enabling Henning and his play calling which was so predictible our opponents admitted they could figure out at least 3 out of every 5 plays.

As hindsight is always 20/20 vision, I'm at a point where I don't even think he deserves that much credit for the epic turnaround; instead I'm now believing that while the Tuna is an azzhole, stole Wayne's and Steve's money essentially and is an outmoded general manager whose old school philosophies are outdated, in the year 2008, he demonstrated that as a field coach he still had it and was hands-on. It wouldn't surprise me if he was actually giving Tony instructions through some transmitter directly or by way of an assistant coach. So yes, given what has transpired since, including never seeming to climb that new coach learning curve, I'm thinking that success was a combination of Parcells as the de facto HC, Pennington's acquisition and the usual smoke and mirrors. Remember it wasn't Tony who came up with the Wildcat, but Parcells who was on record as saying even before the Fins that he believed that the old single wing formation can be updated and successfully re-introduced into the NFL.

Now I'm just glad he's both gone and thankful that he's playing a pivotal role for a divisional opponent.

nyjunc
06-15-2012, 10:49 AM
I disagree. I think the Jets get a LOT of extra pressure....
1) Sports teams in New York are the most heavily criticized teams in the country.. For some reason EVERYTHING in New York has to be the best...
2) The Giants really put the Jets between a rock and a hard place.. If Rex continues to lead a team thats far inferior to the g men, he will be fired--sooner than later

2 of his 3 seasons his teams were vastly superior to the Giants- do we forget '09 & '10? Woody LOVES rex, he'd have to a)really embarrass the franchise w/ something personal(it's possible) or B)have a REALLY bad season(4-6 wins).

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 10:50 AM
I agree if we fail to make the playoffs there will be some heat on rex but we'd have to be 4-12 for him to get Fired. Woody loves him and he's not hiring Sparano if rex if ever gets fired.


One thing I will add(as I am experienced seeing many coaching changes) is that no matter who the new coach is you will always see great quotes. I saw it when we hired Kotite, parcells, groh, Herm, Mangini and Rex. I'm sure you guys saw it w/ JJ, Wanny, Saban, Cameron and Tony. heck, our offensive guys are raving about Tony. The new coaches will always get positive quotes.



He didn't call plays for you guys.

Again... He called plays a bunch of times!

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 10:51 AM
2 of his 3 seasons his teams were vastly superior to the Giants- do we forget '09 & '10? Woody LOVES rex, he'd have to a)really embarrass the franchise w/ something personal(it's possible) or B)have a REALLY bad season(4-6 wins).

Ok so all of NY think about the Jets as superior to the Giants? Cuz they had a winning record in 09? Come on, Junc. Im not gonna say the Jets suck, but when you think of NY football-- you think of the Giants... And thats gotta be rough on the Jets, its a lot of pressure

nyjunc
06-15-2012, 10:58 AM
Ok so all of NY think about the Jets as superior to the Giants? Cuz they had a winning record in 09? Come on, Junc. Im not gonna say the Jets suck, but when you think of NY football-- you think of the Giants... And thats gotta be rough on the Jets, its a lot of pressure

'09 & '10 the jets made 2 postseasons, 2 title games, won 4 playoff games while the Giants didn't make a postseason. Obviously what they did last year trumps all but to say the Giants have been superior in the 3 years rex has been here would be false.

Vaark
06-15-2012, 10:59 AM
Ok so all of NY think about the Jets as superior to the Giants? Cuz they had a winning record in 09? Come on, Junc. Im not gonna say the Jets suck, but when you think of NY football-- you think of the Giants... And thats gotta be rough on the Jets, its a lot of pressure

Only if you count 2 gifted games played by playoff bound teams who considered them meaningless with nothing to gain other than keeping their players healthy for the playoffs, did the jest have a "winning season" in 09. As the Colts starters who outscored them 45-27 in a game and a third or so, including 24-zero in the last 31mins when it counted most proved, at best they would have ended up 8-8 if the game 15 wasn't totally meaningless to the Polian and Caldwell in the theme of things. So don't be deluded by the asterisk-worthy 2009: remember Mark MacGwire's HR record - which you can argue was accomplished by cheating, but by the same token he actually had to hit those balls over the fence with no pitchers throwing underhand to him.

Wildbill3
06-15-2012, 11:01 AM
guys this is not going to go off into yet another Nyjunc vs finheaven thread.

broccoli rob
06-15-2012, 11:03 AM
guys this is not going to go off into yet another Nyjunc vs finheaven thread.

Junc loves this. A new yorker who loves to argue. What a shocker.

My dad is from Long Island and he'll argue with a cockroach if it stayed still long enough.

Bagga-Viagra
06-15-2012, 11:06 AM
I can remember when Tony said this. There was an article covering the losing streak and the angle of the story was how Tony was keeping the team together and motivated by telling them that no one was going to do them any favors. Then they dropped that quote in there.

I can distinctly remember thinking that it was a pretty ****ty way to keep everyone's spirits high, and sounded to me like Tony was at his breaking point, composure-wise.

I guess we'll see how the transition from "Jersey-guy" Sporano to "Professor" Philbin affects this team.

ITS!MATEO
06-15-2012, 11:21 AM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker
Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”


and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

Weren't they saying he was a players coach and that everybody wanted him to stay last year :ponder:


You mean "sources close to the team" can be wrong??

Zounds
06-15-2012, 11:35 AM
... Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”

and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

Sparano was right. Brandon Marshall is gone for droping many TD passes (2 of which were game winners). Vernon Carey is gone. Columbo is gone. Chad Henne is gone. As much as I dont like him, I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

LikeUntoGod
06-15-2012, 11:39 AM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker
Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”


and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

The situation is no where the same. (I also laughed when I read this early this morning since Tony WAS THE ONLY GUY to leave).

I'm not a Sparano hater, he did the best he could under the situation. Last season was impossible, he was bum funked months before the season started. IMO, this was why our coaches and players were not as ready as others, Sparano and company was not sure if they was going to be here week to week. I have no idea what input Tony had with drafting. I doubt he was allowed to do much shopping.......

As far as with the Jets, he comes replacing someone that all love to hate. They love Sparano simply for that. And his job is to make their offense "simpler". How hard is it to make something easier?

Plus he has Rex Ryan in his corner in NY. While in Miami, Tony had no one who really supported him and would go to bat for them.

overworkedirish
06-15-2012, 12:07 PM
Sparano was right. Brandon Marshall is gone for droping many TD passes (2 of which were game winners). Vernon Carey is gone. Columbo is gone. Chad Henne is gone. As much as I dont like him, I dont see anything wrong with what he said.
Same. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Desperate yes, but I mean, honestly what do you say to your 0-6 team as a coach? Sure some of the blame is on him, but at some point players need to take responsibility.

SuperMarksBros.
06-15-2012, 12:11 PM
He didn't call plays for you guys.

No he didnt, but he WAS the head coach, and had final say on any playcall. Those headscratching calls were every bit as much on him as they were on Daboll/Henning. Make no mistake, Tony is HIGHLY conservative, he's admitted this.

SabanHater
06-15-2012, 12:20 PM
We've had some really bad ones as of late, but nothing....NOTHING will ever beat "Fail Forward Fast".
What a #$%&ing idiot!!!! You should did, Cam.

BeatMan
06-15-2012, 12:54 PM
Not sure how philbin will turn out but so far i like what i see.i hate tony sparano so glad he is gone

Hey don't go hating on Sparano Or anyone ...You try and Coach a team that's not putting out at the time ....Ok so He lacked Imagination well then may Philbin is better for the Fins ....
:err:

electrolyte
06-15-2012, 01:02 PM
Really? You guys think that Sparano quote was bad? To me, it seemed like he was trying to trigger their self-preservation.

"If you won't fight for me, fight for yourselves cause you will be gone too"

That's a LEGITIMATE tactic. Do you know what one of the greatest Generals in history did during a battle? The battle looked lost, they were outnumbered and losing... the soldiers were losing their will to fight and running away........ so the General led his men to a big river, with no escape, and the enemy right behind them. They had no choice but to turn around and fight with their backs to the river. He told his men, fight or you die here anyway. Guess who won the battle? He did. The men fought with more brutality than the other army, and he won.

I forget the name of the General, but I think he was an ancient chinese general. It worked on the principle that a man with no hope of escape will instinctively fight for his life with the ferocity of a cornered beast, and in so doing become an unbeatable warrior.

So, it seems to me, Sparano was just trying to get them to fight for their own careers....

DavePornstache
06-15-2012, 01:16 PM
Junc loves this. A new yorker who loves to argue. What a shocker.

My dad is from Long Island and he'll argue with a cockroach if it stayed still long enough.


lol

Wildbill3
06-15-2012, 01:50 PM
Really? You guys think that Sparano quote was bad? To me, it seemed like he was trying to trigger their self-preservation.

"If you won't fight for me, fight for yourselves cause you will be gone too"

That's a LEGITIMATE tactic. Do you know what one of the greatest Generals in history did during a battle? The battle looked lost, they were outnumbered and losing... the soldiers were losing their will to fight and running away........ so the General led his men to a big river, with no escape, and the enemy right behind them. They had no choice but to turn around and fight with their backs to the river. He told his men, fight or you die here anyway. Guess who won the battle? He did. The men fought with more brutality than the other army, and he won.

I forget the name of the General, but I think he was an ancient chinese general. It worked on the principle that a man with no hope of escape will instinctively fight for his life with the ferocity of a cornered beast, and in so doing become an unbeatable warrior.

So, it seems to me, Sparano was just trying to get them to fight for their own careers....
that quote shows what he thought of his position.

JerryD
06-15-2012, 01:52 PM
None of this should come as any surprise about Sparano ... he was a dummy & disaster in front of our eyes & REAL OBVIOUS the last 2 years.

What was was more surprising is how the majority here supported Sparano ... and even AFTER FIRED, I'd say a good 75% were chiming in "but he's a nice guy". Don't think he ever was a nice guy, fans are just GULLIBLE even watching with their own eyes.

Lesson learned fans: Let's just watch & see how the new coaching staff Really Does .... RESULTS NOW, PERIOD!!! None of this mumbo jumbo like cam & meatball excuses!! ... no future continuity, no next year, no locker room kumbaya ... no nothing, NOW bee-otches!!

Get above the Mendoza Line & stay there for starters ... it ain't that hard for a decent NFL Coach.

ebozzz
06-15-2012, 01:58 PM
news is slow, but the new PFT story is pretty interesting... Not much we didn't know already, except this quote....


It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker
Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”


and the Jets think this guy is their savior? :lol: Wait til they get a few losses, Sparano will be talking like this once again.

So glad we have Philbin now

IDK, Was what Sparano said true? Just asking....

Vaark
06-15-2012, 02:08 PM
IDK, Was what Sparano said true? Just asking....

I interpret it as true - in that his perception was that the players had more than enough of him and would go to extremes to be rid of their coaching albatross. It has often appeared that Tony is clueless, but I guess in this case his interpretation was on point. :idk:

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 02:10 PM
He lacked much much more than imagination... starting with intelligence
Hey don't go hating on Sparano Or anyone ...You try and Coach a team that's not putting out at the time ....Ok so He lacked Imagination well then may Philbin is better for the Fins ....
:err:

finfan66
06-15-2012, 02:11 PM
I am glad that idiot Sparano is gone. Never saw more idiot coaching then when that guy was here. Over 2 minutes before the half of the Jets game and the guy runs out the clock. I can't believe this guy even found another job in the NFL. He has no sense of clock management at all!

RobertHorry
06-15-2012, 02:15 PM
He wasn't a good coach but he wasn't a terrible one. He was decent, and this is getting absurd if you guys think that this was a bad quote. He's basically saying man the **** up and stop being a bunch of vags. Fight for your position and careers. Something they weren't doing.

And you know what? Screw Kevin Burnett. He was one of the reasons we were 0-6 last year, he should be the last person to talk. One of the worst players on the field the first half of the season before he decided to finally clean it up.

Everyone was to blame last season.

dolpns13
06-15-2012, 02:17 PM
He did that so many times when we were behind! It would piss me off beyond belief. Great message to send to the team. "Hey team. We have 2 time outs, on our 35 yard line, with 1"40 left.. We're going to give up and run out the clock."
I am glad that idiot Sparano is gone. Never saw more idiot coaching then when that guy was here. Over 2 minutes before the half of the Jets game and the guy runs out the clock. I can't believe this guy even found another job in the NFL. He has no sense of clock management at all!

MiamiDolfan85
06-15-2012, 02:27 PM
Sparano was clearly in-over his head, being hired as a head coach when he had no kind of experience of any significance in major prior coaching roles. When I originally heard of the hiring in 2008, no exaggerration. Im not gonna censor myself......



"......who?"

abNORMal
06-15-2012, 03:01 PM
UUUhhh....it kinda worked....'cause we started winning....

just sayin'

JerryD
06-15-2012, 03:15 PM
UUUhhh....it kinda worked....'cause we started winning....

just sayin'

D-d-d-d-dude .... we played teams worse than us late in the season AND had a QB that had Half-a-clue ... even inept Sparano could have won a few. Sparano tanked 2 years earlier, but Ross let him soldier on with Henne making us ever sub-.500.

I keep seeing people post that "last-half-year" logic on this forum ... football just seems to pass them by & they get all caught up in fandom explanations!!

mnphinfan
06-15-2012, 03:29 PM
None of this should come as any surprise about Sparano ... he was a dummy & disaster in front of our eyes & REAL OBVIOUS the last 2 years.

What was was more surprising is how the majority here supported Sparano ... and even AFTER FIRED, I'd say a good 75% were chiming in "but he's a nice guy". Don't think he ever was a nice guy, fans are just GULLIBLE even watching with their own eyes.

Lesson learned fans: Let's just watch & see how the new coaching staff Really Does .... RESULTS NOW, PERIOD!!! None of this mumbo jumbo like cam & meatball excuses!! ... no future continuity, no next year, no locker room kumbaya ... no nothing, NOW bee-otches!!

Get above the Mendoza Line & stay there for starters ... it ain't that hard for a decent NFL Coach.

Not trying to be a dick or bust your balls buy you are referencing the Mendoza Line incorrectly. Mario Mendoza played baseball for something like 8 or 9 years and was a career .215 hitter. The Mendoza Line is now used to reference someone who is batting above or below .200 not a winning % of .500 or better. So technically we have been above the Mendoza Line for the past 3 years and we still suck.

tay0365
06-15-2012, 03:44 PM
we won't be 0-6 and he won't be our HC.

I also doubt your team will be 0-6, just like I doubt if by some bad luck they did, they could recover enough to win 6 games like the Dolphins were able to do.

Irishfinfan1
06-15-2012, 04:12 PM
Sparano had some good qualities but to be fair mostly bad qualities. Lack of taking chances, developing players, intelligence, learning from your mistakes, probably a lack of authority too. Really still think Ireland instigated going after Harbaugh last off season because he knew what a crap coach Sparano was.

Vertical Limit
06-15-2012, 04:31 PM
I don't expect the Jets to be 0-6 either, but even so, if anyone knows how Sparano works, he always makes sure you win meaningless games, bad enough to not make the playoffs but insures your franchise from a Top pick. Sparano's teams are the ultimate treadmill teams.

abNORMal
06-15-2012, 04:35 PM
D-d-d-d-dude .... we played teams worse than us late in the season AND had a QB that had Half-a-clue ... even inept Sparano could have won a few. Sparano tanked 2 years earlier, but Ross let him soldier on with Henne making us ever sub-.500.

I keep seeing people post that "last-half-year" logic on this forum ... football just seems to pass them by & they get all caught up in fandom explanations!!

Yeah, I get what you're sayin,' but still, when were 0-6 we had lost to some teams we should have beaten also. The change to Moore really helped us a lot the second half and the defense seemed to finally get their ish together, too.

Gonzo
06-15-2012, 04:48 PM
Yeah, I get what you're sayin,' but still, when were 0-6 we had lost to some teams we should have beaten also. The change to Moore really helped us a lot the second half and the defense seemed to finally get their ish together, too.
I'd be impressed if that change to Moore was a decision Sparano made rather than something that was forced due to injury. Sparano sticks with his guys through thick and thin, no matter how obvious it is that a change is needed (Henne, Colombo, etc.). That's not a good thing.

JC
06-15-2012, 05:05 PM
To think that Sparano's offensive scheme or situational play calling will be any kind of an upgrade over Brian Schottenheimer is asinine.

It'll take nothing short of a guru to get Sanchez over the hump from being the run of the mill, ordinary, nothing spectacular, wildly inconsistent and average quarterback to, well...the opposite.

Let's face it, most NFL teams can't operate in success with a conundrum at quarterback. With Sparano, it is a formula for disaster. Exhibit A: these Miami Dolphins. The only thing that separates Chad Henne and Sanchez is the clutch factor of big games. Sparano failed with Henne and I can almost guarantee that Sanchez won't be any different.

The Dolphins are like a Bob Dylan of the NFL...Times they are a changin'.

The Jets on the other hand are like a Tom Petty...freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee falllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllin

Roman529
06-15-2012, 05:10 PM
Maybe if Tony Moron-o decided to not go for a field goal inside the Red Zone from time to time, some of us might still have some good feelings for him. Hope you take the Jets down with you Tony.

rent this space
06-15-2012, 05:50 PM
I'll always remember Sparano for the decision to not try a hail mary because he was worried about someone intercepting the pass and running it back for a TD

JerryD
06-15-2012, 05:53 PM
Sparano is a HUGE NFL FAIL & it shows every day ... yet folks are still defending him here ... figures!!

I was estatic when he joined the Jets (Every strategic move Rex makes fails) ... if Meatball gets stuck upstairs & his actions hidden ... I'll just cry!! That's Entertainment on the Jets!! That's Tragedy on my Dolphins!!

Scrap
06-15-2012, 05:56 PM
What is sad is that we go through this every few years. Coach gets fired, quits, retires, etc... and he sucks. But this new guy is our savior...until we lose. Repeat the process. Let's win some football games before we go talking sh--.

Vaark
06-15-2012, 06:09 PM
To think that Sparano's offensive scheme or situational play calling will be any kind of an upgrade over Brian Schottenheimer is asinine.

It'll take nothing short of a guru to get Sanchez over the hump from being the run of the mill, ordinary, nothing spectacular, wildly inconsistent and average quarterback to, well...the opposite.

Let's face it, most NFL teams can't operate in success with a conundrum at quarterback. With Sparano, it is a formula for disaster. Exhibit A: these Miami Dolphins. The only thing that separates Chad Henne and Sanchez is the clutch factor of big games. Sparano failed with Henne and I can almost guarantee that Sanchez won't be any different.

The Dolphins are like a Bob Dylan of the NFL...Times they are a changin'.

The Jets on the other hand are like a Tom Petty...freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee falllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllin

Just so the Fins don't end up like a Janis Joplin (aside from the obvious toe tag) > as in: Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart Again

z926538
06-15-2012, 07:09 PM
Fired a year too late.

True, but what do you expect with an owner who was/is learning the business?

Disciple: Master, how do you become successful?
Master: Make good decisions.
Disciple: And how do you learn to make good decisions?
Master: By making bad decisions.

phinking
06-16-2012, 12:02 AM
Sparano was right. Brandon Marshall is gone for droping many TD passes (2 of which were game winners). Vernon Carey is gone. Columbo is gone. Chad Henne is gone. As much as I dont like him, I dont see anything wrong with what he said. All he did by saying that is confirming to his team what most of us fans already knew. He can't coach.

JerryD
06-16-2012, 12:50 AM
What is sad is that we go through this every few years. Coach gets fired, quits, retires, etc... and he sucks. But this new guy is our savior...until we lose. Repeat the process. Let's win some football games before we go talking sh--.

I'm in ... nothing fancy, nothing big ... just solid football. Play hard & give a good showing every game ... all I ask is finish above .500 every year ... then build on that.

No collapse or embarassment!!

CANDolphan
06-16-2012, 01:05 AM
I dont think you'll be 0-6, either. But If the Tebow experiment fails, and you fail to make the playoffs, NY will be calling for Rex's head. And WHO do you think is going to get the first shot at coaching the Jets? Not rocket science...

Uh with this logic Miami should have hired Mike Nolan when they fired Sparano....

DOLBET
06-16-2012, 06:13 AM
That's a LEGITIMATE tactic. Do you know what one of the greatest Generals in history did during a battle? The battle looked lost, they were outnumbered and losing... the soldiers were losing their will to fight and running away........ so the General led his men to a big river, with no escape, and the enemy right behind them. They had no choice but to turn around and fight with their backs to the river. He told his men, fight or you die here anyway. Guess who won the battle? He did. The men fought with more brutality than the other army, and he won.

I forget the name of the General, but I think he was an ancient chinese general. It worked on the principle that a man with no hope of escape will instinctively fight for his life with the ferocity of a cornered beast, and in so doing become an unbeatable warrior.

I love reading about old battles and I know the battle you are talking about. It was General Han Xin at Battle of Jingxing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Xin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jingxing

At the feast after the battle, Han Xin's officers, still somewhat incredulous at their own good fortune, inquired into the rationale for the astounding deployments. Han Xin explained that as he was commanding a ragtag army and he was not a general of high renown, he had to resort to such drastic measures to force everyone to fight hard. This led to the saying "You achieve survival by fighting from a position of certain death"

whizafriz
06-16-2012, 06:12 PM
I wouldnt put all blame on Sparano in that quote. It was the Fins who kept him there when they shouldnt have. Last season really was a waste of time, and a countdown to him getting fired right from Game 1.

TheJetsBlow
06-16-2012, 06:22 PM
You will see Sparano as the head coach of the Jets at some point. Maybe not this year, and it may be shortlived, but its coming...

You heard it here first, folks!

From your lips to God's ears.

Joey23
06-16-2012, 08:03 PM
It’s easy for Philbin to come off as charming, especially since Tony Sparano’s relationship with his team grew so sour. Linebacker [/LEFT]
Kevin Burnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3187/kevin-burnett)
recalled that when the Dolphins started the year 0-6, Sparano told the team: “‘You know what? If you guys want to lose and be 0-16 and get me out of here, no problem. But guess what? I’m not going to be the only one gone, and that’s just the reality of this business.’”




Interesting they started winning right there and then... I do think that when a team stinks that bad you can't baby them.

jvw
06-16-2012, 08:19 PM
I will wait until I see what a Phillbin coached team looks like on the field when the games count..........Sparano is gone and I could care less what the players think of him now or what they say about the new HC today.....just shut up and be ready for wk 1

MannyFernandez
06-16-2012, 10:01 PM
Who do you think will have a better offensive stats season,Sparano in New York ,or shotty in LA . I say Shotty

joey_blunts
06-16-2012, 10:19 PM
Sparano goes for field goals, he's a joke

X-Pacolypse
06-17-2012, 05:09 PM
:lol: "Players love Sparano." So funny hearing that from his supporters last year. The funny thing is, he pretty much is the only one gone, outside of the trash he continued to play (Colombo, etc.).

Beat me to it. Jesus, how many times did we have to hear that lame @ss talking point?

insomnia411
06-17-2012, 05:32 PM
2 of his 3 seasons his teams were vastly superior to the Giants- do we forget '09 & '10? Woody LOVES rex, he'd have to a)really embarrass the franchise w/ something personal(it's possible) or B)have a REALLY bad season(4-6 wins).

The Giants won the super bowl and the Jets went 8-8 last year. Doesn't that negate the other two years? Championships mean everything. Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, big nuts.
Eli won as Super Bowl in his fourth year as a starter. We'll see how your super clutch wonder boy does in year four. I'm predicting slightly less that a Lombardi trophy but we shall see.

M Gervasio
06-17-2012, 10:38 PM
Sparano was just in over his head as an HC. Though he couldn't put an offensive line together while he was here, he is well respected as an o-line coach around the league. Never knew him to be a great offensive mind though, so I doubt he will be any good in NY

ChambersWI
06-17-2012, 11:04 PM
to me the quote illustrates Tony's strengths and weaknesses. He is a great motivator, but that's really is only strength. Not a great X's and O's guy, and not good with strategy. When his motivation starts failing, he has nothing

hooshoops
06-17-2012, 11:50 PM
to me the quote illustrates Tony's strengths and weaknesses. He is a great motivator, but that's really is only strength. Not a great X's and O's guy, and not good with strategy. When his motivation starts failing, he has nothing

thats kind of the way i saw it also...and i think once the motivation fell on deaf ears which it did in 2011 he had nothing...the players kept saying the right things but i think privately they lost the respect for him...and frankly with the way he played the game which was not to lose instead of playing to win and i'm sure a lot of that had to do with what he had at his disposal at the most critical position on the field qb i think the players saw through all the fist pumps and ra ra crap early

flynryan15
06-18-2012, 07:12 AM
to me the quote illustrates Tony's strengths and weaknesses. He is a great motivator, but that's really is only strength. Not a great X's and O's guy, and not good with strategy. When his motivation starts failing, he has nothing

Blasphemy! There is a hell of a lot more to motivation then running up and down the sideline pumping your fist and slapping asses. Sparano is the farthest thing you can ever find from a leader and motivator. I said after that round table clown show that Meatball looked like a scorned baby and reports during the off season through his firing were he acted like it daily around the training facility. Great leaders are motivators, do you think Don Shula would have ever said something like that? Meatball acting like a child is why we started out 0-6 because his troops had no faith in him. Tony Sparano is the ultimate example of a follower a true yes man that appeased his leader Parcells to the point he was promoted to a position he was no way near qualified for! You think it is by accident after Parcells left the team lost its focus and discipline? A motivator gets results, his troops believe in him and what he is telling them, they give 110% for their leader and failure is not an option. The only good thing i can say is that failure is no longer our problem! When the wheels start falling off the Jets bandwagon, and Rex is crying at the podium the Meatball Albatross will be assn extra weight around his neck!

nyjunc
06-18-2012, 09:14 AM
The Giants won the super bowl and the Jets went 8-8 last year. Doesn't that negate the other two years? Championships mean everything. Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, big nuts.
Eli won as Super Bowl in his fourth year as a starter. We'll see how your super clutch wonder boy does in year four. I'm predicting slightly less that a Lombardi trophy but we shall see.

Over the 3 years the SB trumps all so despitre having lss success in 2 of the 3 seasons you give the Giants the edge for the 3 years overall but individually the Jets were significantly better than the Giants 2 of the 3 seasons.

If mark's D plays like the Giants D did in the '07 postseason he'll have a great shot to win his first SB this year.

SpurzN703
06-18-2012, 10:18 AM
'09 & '10 the jets made 2 postseasons, 2 title games, won 4 playoff games while the Giants didn't make a postseason. Obviously what they did last year trumps all but to say the Giants have been superior in the 3 years rex has been here would be false.

Here we go with this **** again.

The Giants winning in 2011 trumps the Jets 2 AFCTG appearances in 2009 and 2010. You'll probably disagree with this but that's why we're all here right?

MadDog 88
06-18-2012, 10:24 AM
Here we go with this **** again.

The Giants winning in 2011 trumps the Jets 2 AFCTG appearances in 2009 and 2010. You'll probably disagree with this but that's why we're all here right?
Not to mention Mark's great shot at winning the SB this year :rolleyes2:

nyjunc
06-18-2012, 10:25 AM
Here we go with this **** again.

The Giants winning in 2011 trumps the Jets 2 AFCTG appearances in 2009 and 2010. You'll probably disagree with this but that's why we're all here right?

It does and I said that. Over the 3 years that gives the Giants the egde but looking at each season individually the jets were much better 2 of the 3 seasons.

finfan54
06-18-2012, 10:51 AM
Here is how I see Sparano. He came in and did a great job first year with the change-over with guys from dallas and the draft and with Pennington. From there it went downhill because mainly, he did not prepare people as much as he should have.

The bottom line with last year I read it as this:

Off year with CBA a complete disaster and Sparano played the "we are just going with starters" crap which spells laziness. He was jobbed on the Harbaugh thing and he basically was gone but Ireland probly convinced Ross that Sparano was a problem but if we get rid of him now, it will be bad timing for the new coach to come in with no identifying with new players, system, yadda yadda yadda.

This is common sense. Read the actions, not words said by people. Its like Obama, whatever he says, think the opposite.

Wildbill3
06-18-2012, 11:40 AM
It does and I said that. Over the 3 years that gives the Giants the egde but looking at each season individually the jets were much better 2 of the 3 seasons.
stupid arguement is idiotic. a super bowl win is worth more than anything either of our teams have accomplished in the last 39+ years.

DXArmy182
06-18-2012, 11:45 AM
Sparano is a bum

nyjunc
06-18-2012, 12:05 PM
stupid arguement is idiotic. a super bowl win is worth more than anything either of our teams have accomplished in the last 39+ years.

Where did I say otherwise?

Geforce
06-18-2012, 12:35 PM
thats kind of the way i saw it also...and i think once the motivation fell on deaf ears which it did in 2011 he had nothing...the players kept saying the right things but i think privately they lost the respect for him...and frankly with the way he played the game which was not to lose instead of playing to win and i'm sure a lot of that had to do with what he had at his disposal at the most critical position on the field qb i think the players saw through all the fist pumps and ra ra crap early

You may be right but I doubt the players would have fought as hard as they did each game if they lost respect for Sparano. It would have been easy for the players to "mail it in" (similar to the way it appeared in Indianapolis) if the players lost respect for the head coach. I'm sure there were some players who tuned him out but the team started playing with a swagger they didn't earlier in the season and a lot of that has to do with the Sparano. I don't know, maybe it also has something to do with the changes Sparano made after those comments, like letting the players sleep in later, easing up on the practices and letting the players police themselves that caused the team to play better.

I do agree with you on the way Sparano coached the game had a lot to do with him being fired.

CANDolphan
06-18-2012, 02:44 PM
Hey guys it's like the BCS! The Jets haven't won a superbowl and haven't even been to one in... how long?... but HEY they were like the 5th best team one year (not really) and the 6th best team another year.

nyjunc
06-18-2012, 03:23 PM
Hey guys it's like the BCS! The Jets haven't won a superbowl and haven't even been to one in... how long?... but HEY they were like the 5th best team one year (not really) and the 6th best team another year.

It's better than the 25th best, right?

rev kev
06-18-2012, 07:33 PM
It's better than the 25th best, right?

Well if we are back to whose fat girlfriend is skinnier again - :tumbleweed:

Well then this is your QB -

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/06/imagesqtbnANd9GcT8NrNpLZrKHGRmJ0QIfEnC_5-1.jpg

SpurzN703
06-18-2012, 07:41 PM
It does and I said that. Over the 3 years that gives the Giants the egde but looking at each season individually the jets were much better 2 of the 3 seasons.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. We've already discussed the facts.

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Where did I say otherwise?

It's what you always do. You give credit but then deflect from it in the same sentence. The Giants SB win trumps anything the Jets did. Yeah the Jets went further in 2 seasons than the Giants did but the Giants actually got to and won the SB when the Jets didn't make the playoffs.

We all know this. We also all know where this thread is headed.

13ktownguy
06-18-2012, 09:08 PM
It's better than the 25th best, right?

Not on draft day...lol

nyjunc
06-19-2012, 08:16 AM
Whatever helps you sleep at night. We've already discussed the facts.

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It's what you always do. You give credit but then deflect from it in the same sentence. The Giants SB win trumps anything the Jets did. Yeah the Jets went further in 2 seasons than the Giants did but the Giants actually got to and won the SB when the Jets didn't make the playoffs.

We all know this. We also all know where this thread is headed.

I apologize for dealing in FACTS.

DisturbedShifty
06-19-2012, 08:22 AM
I apologize for dealing in selective FACTS.
Fixed. ;)

nyjunc
06-19-2012, 08:38 AM
Fixed. ;)

What isn't a fact about the following statement:

The Jets were better than the Giants in 2 of the last 3 seasons? That's an indisputable FACT, I'm sorry it bothers you guys so much. It's sad how you guys have to lacth on to another team to try and make us look bad b/c your team has been so horrible.

DisturbedShifty
06-19-2012, 09:57 AM
What isn't a fact about the following statement:

The Jets were better than the Giants in 2 of the last 3 seasons? That's an indisputable FACT, I'm sorry it bothers you guys so much. It's sad how you guys have to lacth on to another team to try and make us look bad b/c your team has been so horrible.

Sure they're facts. But during those three years the Giants have been better over all just because of the FACT that they won a Super Bowl in those three years. A fact that you always try to diminish by taking shots at the Giants talent.

That being said, did someone say something "bad" about the Taco or the Foot Monger to bring you into this thread? Because this thread started out as a feel good story about the Phins that spiraled into another thread where you have to get the last word.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

nyjunc
06-19-2012, 10:05 AM
Sure they're facts. But during those three years the Giants have been better over all just because of the FACT that they won a Super Bowl in those three years. A fact that you always try to diminish by taking shots at the Giants talent.

That being said, did someone say something "bad" about the Taco or the Foot Monger to bring you into this thread? Because this thread started out as a feel good story about the Phins that spiraled into another thread where you have to get the last word.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I have repeatedly said overall in the 3 years the Giants get the edge b/c of the SB win, I don't know what more I can say? Where have I tried to diminish their talent?

After making up stuff you perceived I say yout ake a shot at me for being in the thread. If you want to see my participation go back and read the early posts in the thread.

I don't need the last word, I need the truth and when folks like you lie I will post the truth.

SpurzN703
06-19-2012, 10:34 AM
I apologize for dealing in FACTS.

You do realize that anything discussed in whether a team is elite or not is all opinion right? You may use facts to show your views but it's 100% opinion. Are you this delusional in other phases in your life too?

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What isn't a fact about the following statement:

The Jets were better than the Giants in 2 of the last 3 seasons? That's an indisputable FACT, I'm sorry it bothers you guys so much. It's sad how you guys have to lacth on to another team to try and make us look bad b/c your team has been so horrible.

There's no latching on to any other team. I could give a **** about the N.Y. Giants. The Jets went further than the Giants did twice. This is true. It's also true that the Giants have been to and won more Super Bowls in the last five years than the Jets have in their entire history.

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I don't need the last word, I need the truth and when folks like you lie I will post the truth.

Has one lie been told in this entire thread? You really confuse opinion with reality

nyjunc
06-19-2012, 10:36 AM
You do realize that anything discussed in whether a team is elite or not is all opinion right? You may use facts to show your views but it's 100% opinion. Are you this delusional in other phases in your life too?

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There's no latching on to any other team. I could give a **** about the N.Y. Giants. The Jets went further than the Giants did twice. This is true. It's also true that the Giants have been to and won more Super Bowls in the last five years than the Jets have in their entire history.

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Has one lie been told in this entire thread? You really confuse opinion with reality

we aren't discussing who is elite right now, we are discussing the Jets and Giants and the facts tell us the jets have been better 2 of the 3 seasons.


Absolutely lies have been told, I have said over and over again the Giants get the edge for thr 3 years overall b/c of the SB win and you guys are acting like I havemn't said that. he also said I took a shot at the Giants talent- where did I do that?

Dsteve
06-19-2012, 10:55 AM
I find it amazing how the people who support sparano are the same football know nothings who love matt moore and think the dolphins are playoff bound this season.

Dsteve
06-19-2012, 10:57 AM
The jets have had far superior teams talent-wise. Obviously the giants have an awesome D line and a way better quarterback but in pre season polls the jets were almost always ranked ahead of the giants. This is why rexy is on the hot seat. Overrated coach who married his jets tenure to a horrible 1st round quaterback.

SpurzN703
06-19-2012, 11:26 AM
we aren't discussing who is elite right now, we are discussing the Jets and Giants and the facts tell us the jets have been better 2 of the 3 seasons.

The Jets had better years in 2009 and 2010. Yep.

The Giants had the best year in 2011. Yep.


Absolutely lies have been told, I have said over and over again the Giants get the edge for thr 3 years overall b/c of the SB win and you guys are acting like I havemn't said that. he also said I took a shot at the Giants talent- where did I do that?

You're lying by saying 'you guys'. I didn't say **** about that

nyjunc
06-19-2012, 11:30 AM
The Jets had better years in 2009 and 2010. Yep.

The Giants had the best year in 2011. Yep.


You're lying by saying 'you guys'. I didn't say **** about that

Don't have a gulity conscience, I wasn't necessarily talking about you.

Phinatic8u
06-19-2012, 11:36 AM
This thread is outta here.

Tired of every thread getting off topic of what the original OP stated and going into a Jets thread.

NY8123
06-20-2012, 08:00 AM
Elite!

Catch!

CANDolphan
07-16-2012, 01:20 PM
The jets have had far superior teams talent-wise. Obviously the giants have an awesome D line and a way better quarterback but in pre season polls the jets were almost always ranked ahead of the giants. This is why rexy is on the hot seat. Overrated coach who married his jets tenure to a horrible 1st round quaterback.

The Jets have far superior teams because people keep ranking them high in pre-season polls and they keep losing the super bowl

It surely has nothing to do with the fact that the Giants had stars come out of nowhere like Victor Cruz and just fantastic play their entire team down the stretch. Well done, Dsteve