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Ferretsquig
06-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Emeka Okafor traded to Wizards
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8077486/washington-wizards-get-new-orleans-hornets-emeka-okafor-trevor-ariza-rashard-lewis-pick


The Wiz get Okafor and Ariza for nothing.....New Orleans cleans the slate to build around Davis and Gordon. I assume this means the Wiz are hoping Charlotte passes on Beal because they have nothing on the perimeter and an embarrassment of riches inside. Vesely, Seraphin, Booker, and Blatche backing up Nene and Okafor.

Also sets up the unlikely but possible scenario of the Hornets going after a second max player to team up with Gordon and Davis either this year or the next.

Ferretsquig
06-30-2012, 03:22 PM
KG coming back to Boston:


The 36-year-old considered retirement, but ultimately decided to return for an 18th NBA season — and more.

According to an NBA source and a source close to Garnett, the sides are working out the details of a deal that will be for at least two years and could possibly include a third.

“The decision came down to whether KG wanted to keep playing,” said one source. “And once he decided that he did, it was going to be Boston. He wasn't going to leave Doc (River) and those guys and play anywhere else.”

Built2Win
06-30-2012, 05:01 PM
KG back to boston might mean ray allen stays. Heat trading out of the 1st round looked like they were saving money and were not sold on the players left on the board though Moultrie is athletic and grabbed a high amount of rebounds and has good size 6-10.. This could end up being a blown opportunity if Moultrie outperforms Pittman. The 45 pick picked up from philly in exchange for Moultrie we picked up a 7 footer Hamilton some have quoted one of the least athletic player sin the draft though has good mid range game. I kind hoping the heat get kenyon martin or marcus camby all this small ball talk is asking for injuries.

jlloyd55
07-01-2012, 07:16 AM
Awesome

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Earning my 10, one at a time on a thread

Dolfan3773
07-03-2012, 05:28 PM
UPDATE 3:25 pm: And it is finalized, according to Marc Spears of Yahoo. Jason Terry will be a Celtic for three years, $15 million total — the mid-level exception.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/03/report-jason-terry-near-deal-with-boston-celtics/

That's likely it for Ray Allen in Boston.

Ferretsquig
07-03-2012, 05:43 PM
I think its between the Clippers and Heat at the moment. Can't fault him if he chooses LA.....he'd get more playing time there.

Dolfan3773
07-03-2012, 05:44 PM
I think its between the Clippers and Heat at the moment. Can't fault him if he chooses LA.....he'd get more playing time there.

Money wise yes...title wise...no

Dolfan3773
07-03-2012, 05:50 PM
The Brooklyn Nets have come to terms with the Atlanta Hawks on a multiplayer trade that will land them All-Star guard Joe Johnson in exchange for several players with expiring contracts, according to sources briefed on the discussions.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8124182/brooklyn-nets-agree-trade-atlanta-hawks-joe-johnson-sources-say

And per Chris Broussards twitter...


Sources: The Nets & Magic are discussing a trade that would send Dwight Howard to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphies, Marshon Brooks..and the Nets' first-round picks in 2012, 2014, 2016 & 2018..

If it goes through...Orlando would be ripping the Nets a new one. The dude just had back surgery. WOW!

Ferretsquig
07-03-2012, 08:47 PM
I think its a pretty lousy deal for the Magic......they can get better from the Rockets even if its just for a one year rental.

If they can somehow get the Magic to go for it, they're a legit threat to the Heat. Wallace and Johnson may be on the downward slope of their careers, but they're still both pretty good players, and in Howard you've got the one player in this league that the Heat have no answer for.

hooshoops
07-03-2012, 09:00 PM
I think its a pretty lousy deal for the Magic......they can get better from the Rockets even if its just for a one year rental.

If they can somehow get the Magic to go for it, they're a legit threat to the Heat. Wallace and Johnson may be on the downward slope of their careers, but they're still both pretty good players, and in Howard you've got the one player in this league that the Heat have no answer for.

i think if ray allen wants to play more and isn't chasing the ring as much the clippers are the way to go...as for this potential trade i haven't seen much of the nets obviously but i'm curious as to why you think that's a lousy deal and what exactly are the rockets offering up if you know

Ferretsquig
07-03-2012, 09:48 PM
I have no idea what the Rockets have offered. The rumors during draft time centered around their picks, and their efforts to obtain two top picks to entice the Magic. Obviously they didn't manage to do that but they do have a bunch of young talent.

To me the players the Nets are offering are nothing but useless baggage, with the possible exception of Brooks. What's the point in being a good lottery team centered around the vast mediocrity that is Lopez? I'd prefer to follow the path of Cleveland or Toronto, hold onto Howard and offer him up in a sign and trade for a couple first rounders next offseason. In the NBA if you're going to lose its better to really stink up the joint and go for one of those top picks, not struggle to eek out 40 wins and hope you land the 1% of those late first rounders that make it big.

Either get a potential franchise player like Bynum, go the Denver route and get some young talent, or just trash the whole thing and try for a guy like Noel next year. Everyone had given up on the Cavs and Raptors as lost causes two years ago....look where they are now. Irving is a star in the making surrounded by 4 other guys in their early 20s. The team may suck but its exciting for the fans to watch the players grow and they have something to look forward to. If Toronto can get a couple years out of Nash like what we saw last season they'll be one of the most entertaining teams in basketball. To me its much better to go this route than try to be the Bucks or Sixers or Hawks or Pacers trying to build some middling starless team that will never contend for a title.

hooshoops
07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
i get your point...is lopez who i admittedly haven't taken much of a look at a pretty average nba player??? brooks i think is a nice piece those 1st rounders provided the nets do what many would expect with howard and williams would likely be in the back half of the 1st round each year so i can see where there's not a whole lot of value there...kris humphries gives you a rotational guy and glass player

as for the nets though with joe johnson i don't get it...the nets fail to land howard and johnson who is trending down and was always overrated in the postseason at least anyways takes them nowhere...well maybe out of round 1 but even then i doubt it

MarshallFin1
07-04-2012, 10:21 AM
True story, so i arrive at checkers yesterday all geared with miami heat championship gear, hat and shirt and all. An okc fan spots me right away as i enter checkers, he comes up to me screaming "okc" "okc", i look at this person and im thinking to myself "does this guy know the finals is over and okc lost?" , anyways i got a chuckle out of it, told him we are winning next year again and he gave me that "na it aint happening" type response and that was the end of it. He looked furious seeing a heat fan with champions gear. OO it feels so good to be hated lol. Haters everywhere lol.

Built2Win
07-04-2012, 12:08 PM
Poor magic fans looks like the best the magic can do is bynum for howard. The magic should just concentrate on draft picks suck for a couple years ad pull out some good young players through drafting.

For the Heat it looks like Ray Allen is coming here now that the celtics have Jason terry coming. Only Obstical now is if ray wants to go to lob city and get feed pretty passes from chris paul.

The brooklyn nets are trying to make a big 4 to compete with the heat they have the Russian billionaire owner who can take some tax hits. I say bring it on LBJ is cryptonite to cry baby Howard.

If Nash goes to Knicks that could make that team way more potent and make them second best team in the east.

Ferretsquig
07-04-2012, 12:39 PM
as for the nets though with joe johnson i don't get it...the nets fail to land howard and johnson who is trending down and was always overrated in the postseason at least anyways takes them nowhere...well maybe out of round 1 but even then i doubt it

The Howard dream isn't over yet......just put on hold for a bit.

If you look beyond the contract, the Nets traded nothing for one of the better SGs in the game. I don't see how that's a bad thing. And if its what convinced Williams to stay, then hes worth every penny.

I don't think that team is going to contend without Howard but they may already be a top 3 team in the east, depending on what happens with Rose. To me you have to put Deron in the conversation as the next best player in the conference, and trending downward or not, Wallace and Johnson are pretty good players. If Avery can coax some sort of defense out of guys like Lopez not really known for their prowess on that end of the court then they can be a pretty good team.

And you know what, give Billy King some credit. This team was nothing when he took over and now hes going to Brooklyn with one of the best players in the league and at the very least a solid playoff squad. For all the criticism he got for giving up too much......who would you rather have, Williams or Favors, Kanter, and Harris? Its not even close.

Clipse
07-04-2012, 12:47 PM
The Howard dream isn't over yet......just put on hold for a bit.

If you look beyond the contract, the Nets traded nothing for one of the better SGs in the game. I don't see how that's a bad thing. And if its what convinced Williams to stay, then hes worth every penny.

I don't think that team is going to contend without Howard but they may already be a top 3 team in the east, depending on what happens with Rose. To me you have to put Deron in the conversation as the next best player in the conference, and trending downward or not, Wallace and Johnson are pretty good players. If Avery can coax some sort of defense out of guys like Lopez not really known for their prowess on that end of the court then they can be a pretty good team.

And you know what, give Billy King some credit. This team was nothing when he took over and now hes going to Brooklyn with one of the best players in the league and at the very least a solid playoff squad. For all the criticism he got for giving up too much......who would you rather have, Williams or Favors, Kanter, and Harris? Its not even close.

He deserves all the criticism he gets. He created yet another team that's going to be a first round exit every year. Maybe 2nd round a time or 2 but no chance at a championship. And I'd say Dwight to the Nets is pretty much over unless Dwight takes a serious pay cut.

Dolfan3773
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
In an unforeseen twist that could thrust the Los Angeles Lakers straight back into title contention, two-time NBA MVP Steve Nash has successfully negotiated a sign-and-trade deal from the Phoenix Suns to the Los Angeles Lakers that will team him up with Kobe Bryant, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8130840/sources-steve-nash-headed-los-angeles-lakers-sign-trade-deal

CedarPhin
07-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Big trade. Imagine if they trade Bynum for Howard now?

hooshoops
07-04-2012, 10:40 PM
wow...nash with the lakeshow...nash is nice but he can't defend the position to save his life

Ferretsquig
07-05-2012, 01:22 AM
He deserves all the criticism he gets. He created yet another team that's going to be a first round exit every year. Maybe 2nd round a time or 2 but no chance at a championship. And I'd say Dwight to the Nets is pretty much over unless Dwight takes a serious pay cut.

If Howard goes to the Nets it will be for the same basic grouping of players that they were offering before. Its not like the Nets are going to let Lopez and Humphries walk. I'm sure the Magic are trying to find a better deal.....if Dwight has sufficiently scared off the rest of the league then he goes to the Nets, if not he goes somewhere else. And hes not taking a pay cut to sign with anyone.

Two years ago the Nets had nothing and today they have a star, without which it is pretty much impossible to build a contender. Without Dwight they're not an immediate contender, and no doubt it will be very difficult to make the moves needed to get past Miami. But its possible, which is a lot more than can be said for about 11 other eastern conference teams.

Perfect23
07-05-2012, 01:31 AM
I still think the Lakers won't be that much better next year.

Clipse
07-05-2012, 07:36 AM
If Howard goes to the Nets it will be for the same basic grouping of players that they were offering before. Its not like the Nets are going to let Lopez and Humphries walk. I'm sure the Magic are trying to find a better deal.....if Dwight has sufficiently scared off the rest of the league then he goes to the Nets, if not he goes somewhere else. And hes not taking a pay cut to sign with anyone.

Two years ago the Nets had nothing and today they have a star, without which it is pretty much impossible to build a contender. Without Dwight they're not an immediate contender, and no doubt it will be very difficult to make the moves needed to get past Miami. But its possible, which is a lot more than can be said for about 11 other eastern conference teams.

Dwight is an absolute pipe dream at this point. Pretty much impossible if Teletovic gets the full MLE. Billy King landed Deron, and then ****ed up everything else to become a perennial first round exit.

Ferretsquig
07-05-2012, 11:11 AM
No, its not impossible. The only thing going over the luxury tax would do is force them to postpone any trade until the season starts. Its not like Orlando is in any hurry.

Clipse
07-05-2012, 03:05 PM
No, its not impossible. The only thing going over the luxury tax would do is force them to postpone any trade until the season starts. Its not like Orlando is in any hurry.

Hard cap. They can't go over it. Which they will if Teletovic gets the full MLE. So yes, it was impossible. Now that Teletovic agreed to the mini-MLE, that won't happen. But it's still an absolute pipe dream. Unless they plan on having a team with only a few players worth a damn, and then a bunch of vet min scrubs in which they won't be much of a threat for a championship either.

Ferretsquig
07-05-2012, 03:31 PM
Hard cap in the NBA? That's funny. The Lakers just pushed their payroll over $88 million.

What the talking heads are referring to when they note Teletovic's contract is the luxury tax line, which the team can only exceed by so much if they want to give him the 5 mil. Right now the Nets are pretty close to going over that boundary. But they're going past it, and by a fairly large margin. By the end of this offseason they'll be pushing 80+ mil, with or without Howard. Lopez should get 9-10 mil, and Humphries around 6-8. Those are the core salaries to be used for a Howard trade, whether its a sign and trade deal now or a straight up trade 3 months from now.

The offer is there, and the soft cap of 58 mil or the luxury tax of 72 mil isn't going to do anything to deter the Russian. He doesn't seem to have an qualms about spending $100 mil on a basketball team.

Adam First
07-05-2012, 08:21 PM
Jeremy Lin is going to sign a 4-year, $30+ million offer sheet from the Houston Rockets.

The Knicks can match at only $25.5 million for 4 years.

So will Linsanity take the grand stage in Houston, or will he head back to the NY only to be belittled by Jason Kidd?

Clipse
07-05-2012, 09:20 PM
Hard cap in the NBA? That's funny. The Lakers just pushed their payroll over $88 million.

What the talking heads are referring to when they note Teletovic's contract is the luxury tax line, which the team can only exceed by so much if they want to give him the 5 mil. Right now the Nets are pretty close to going over that boundary. But they're going past it, and by a fairly large margin. By the end of this offseason they'll be pushing 80+ mil, with or without Howard. Lopez should get 9-10 mil, and Humphries around 6-8. Those are the core salaries to be used for a Howard trade, whether its a sign and trade deal now or a straight up trade 3 months from now.

The offer is there, and the soft cap of 58 mil or the luxury tax of 72 mil isn't going to do anything to deter the Russian. He doesn't seem to have an qualms about spending $100 mil on a basketball team.

Not really funny at all. If they would of given Teletovic the full MLE, they would of triggered a 74.3 million hard cap that would of made it impossible to get Dwight. But it's a moot point now since they negotiated a Tax Payer's MLE for him, thus no hard cap. It's all a moot point really. Dwight won't be a Net, and in the rare chance that he does, the rest of the team will be so bad it won't even really matter. They're not the Heat. Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and Haslem took less so they can put competent role players around them while Deron, Johnson, and probably Dwight will all be making the max and filling out the rest of the roster with D-League players. Then we'll have 2 "star studded" New York disappointments which I certainly don't mind.

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Jeremy Lin is going to sign a 4-year, $30+ million offer sheet from the Houston Rockets.

The Knicks can match at only $25.5 million for 4 years.

So will Linsanity take the grand stage in Houston, or will he head back to the NY only to be belittled by Jason Kidd?

Sheesh. Somebody is about to look real stupid throwing that much money at such an overrated player. I suspect he ends up with the Rockets though. Then again, it is the Knicks we're talking about who are perfectly capable of such stupidity.

Ferretsquig
07-05-2012, 09:41 PM
Not really funny at all. If they would of given Teletovic the full MLE, they would of triggered a 74.3 million hard cap that would of made it impossible to get Dwight. But it's a moot point now since they negotiated a Tax Payer's MLE for him, thus no hard cap.

You read that one wrong, or the author was mistaken. The Nets cannot have a payroll exceeding the 74 mil limit in order to offer the 5 mil exception.....the 5 mil exception does not "trigger" a 74 mil cap on spending. Big difference in those two statements.

Nobody has put ink on any contracts so we don't really have any clue what the total payroll will look like, and there are a lot of assumptions being made in order to arrive at that figure.


It's all a moot point really. Dwight won't be a Net, and in the rare chance that he does, the rest of the team will be so bad it won't even really matter. They're not the Heat. Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and Haslem took less so they can put competent role players around them while Deron, Johnson, and probably Dwight will all be making the max and filling out the rest of the roster with D-League players. Then we'll have 2 "star studded" New York disappointments which I certainly don't mind.

Yeh I remember the same tired line in reference to the Heat. At first it was that it couldn't be done under the cap rules. Once people figured out that wasn't the case then it could be done but noone else could be signed to complement them. Then they can't win a championship with only 7 players and a d-league center.

Of course the roster would be thin, and it would be tough to compete with the Heat the first season together. But add a few pieces to the Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Howard core and you've got yourself a contender.

Clipse
07-05-2012, 09:52 PM
You read that one wrong, or the author was mistaken. The Nets cannot have a payroll exceeding the 74 mil limit in order to offer the 5 mil exception.....the 5 mil exception does not "trigger" a 74 mil cap on spending. Big difference in those two statements.

Nobody has put ink on any contracts so we don't really have any clue what the total payroll will look like, and there are a lot of assumptions being made in order to arrive at that figure.



Yeh I remember the same tired line in reference to the Heat. At first it was that it couldn't be done under the cap rules. Once people figured out that wasn't the case then it could be done but noone else could be signed to complement them. Then they can't win a championship with only 7 players and a d-league center.

Of course the roster would be thin, and it would be tough to compete with the Heat the first season together. But add a few pieces to the Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Howard core and you've got yourself a contender.

Those people were idiots, and this isn't at all the same situation. The Heat players took less, Joe, Deron and probably Dwight didn't. There will be no pieces to add. They won't have the money, period. And also the Heat got LeBron and Bosh in Free Agency. That's a lot different than having to trade for Howard, when the Magic will surely have better offers than what the Nets have to offer. The Nets with Billy King running things will never compete for anything, guaranteed. He's the most clueless guy in the business by a wide margin.

Ferretsquig
07-06-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't know why you think they won't have the money. As long as the owner is willing to pay the team can spend. The new CBA has put a few more limitations in place but everyone still has a mid-level exception of one sort or another to use and like the Heat they can just keep adding a piece every year.

I would think the Magic could get a better deal as well. I dunno how much better.....find it hard to believe the Lakers are giving up Bynum if Howard won't agree to a multi-year deal. The Rockets should be desperate enough to take a shot without any guarantees. Then again this a league where Pau Gasol was traded for a lot less, and Chris Paul was about to be traded for a couple of journeymen.

Clipse
07-06-2012, 02:51 AM
I don't know why you think they won't have the money. As long as the owner is willing to pay the team can spend. The new CBA has put a few more limitations in place but everyone still has a mid-level exception of one sort or another to use and like the Heat they can just keep adding a piece every year.

I would think the Magic could get a better deal as well. I dunno how much better.....find it hard to believe the Lakers are giving up Bynum if Howard won't agree to a multi-year deal. The Rockets should be desperate enough to take a shot without any guarantees. Then again this a league where Pau Gasol was traded for a lot less, and Chris Paul was about to be traded for a couple of journeymen.

They could add a small piece every year, but that team is nowhere near as enticing as the Heat, which is why they're able to entice players like Ray Allen. To start off, the Nets would have 4 players on the roster worth a damn. 4. Then Teletovic who may or may not be any good, most likely a Ryan Anderson clone which would be a good fit. Everyone else league minimum scrubs. They won't have competent role players for a good while, like the Heat already do in Miller, Chalmers, Haslem, Battier, even Joel who's a very underrated defender. And again, that's IF they even get good role players at all, which is certainly not a given. Not to mention Wade, LeBron, and Bosh are better than Deron, Dwight, and Joe by a rather wide margin. That's just not a championship team unless they plan on waiting a few years to maybe get good role players with the mini MLE.

And I think Dwight would resign with the Lakers, especially now with Nash and with them possibly getting Iguodala, who Howard put on his list of players he'd like to play with, for Pau Gasol. I see Howard going to the Lakers when it's all said and done with myself.

Ferretsquig
07-06-2012, 10:54 AM
Its possible. The man seems to change his mind every few months. One thing he has been pretty consistent on is not wanting to play second fiddle to anyone, whether it being Rose in Chicago or Kobe or Paul in LA. If the ultimate goal was to win games he would have teamed up with Rose.

Ferretsquig
07-06-2012, 11:47 AM
Anyone else notice that Cuban dismantled a championship contender so he could have a starting lineup that now consists of:

Beaubois
Vince Carter
Marion
Nowitzki
Haywood

Poor Dirk hangs around for 10 yrs waiting for them to build a solid team around him and when they finally do it gets blown up and now it seems like they're back in the lottery.

Perfect23
07-06-2012, 01:36 PM
Anyone else notice that Cuban dismantled a championship contender so he could have a starting lineup that now consists of:

Beaubois
Vince Carter
Marion
Nowitzki
Haywood

Poor Dirk hangs around for 10 yrs waiting for them to build a solid team around him and when they finally do it gets blown up and now it seems like they're back in the lottery.

that be be one of the worst strating rosters in the NBA.

PhinsPhan11
07-06-2012, 01:42 PM
that be be one of the worst strating rosters in the NBA.
You haven't seen the Bobcats' then. :lol:

Ferretsquig
07-07-2012, 05:58 PM
40 mil for Jeff Green? Incredible how much that guy manages to get paid.

Dolfan3773
07-08-2012, 10:58 PM
Sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com on Sunday that the Hornets and Orlando Magic reached agreement on a sign-and-trade deal that will send Magic forward Ryan Anderson to New Orleans to play alongside prized rookie Anthony Davis.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8141333/2012-nba-free-agency-new-orleans-hornets-trade-ryan-anderson-orlando-magic-sources-say

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LAS VEGAS -- Free-agent point guard Kirk Hinrich has verbally agreed to a two-year contract with the Chicago Bulls, according to a league source.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8140669/2012-nba-free-agency-kirk-hinrich-commits-chicago-bulls-source-says

Ferretsquig
07-09-2012, 06:18 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets-emerge-again-as-strong-contender-to-land-dwight-howard.html


The Orlando Magic have intensified discussions about trading Dwight Howard, and the Brooklyn Nets are rapidly overtaking the Los Angeles Lakers as the strongest contender to land the disenchanted All-Star center, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Humphries and Brooks to Cleveland......3 first rounders and Lopez to Orlando.

Clipse
07-09-2012, 06:34 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets-emerge-again-as-strong-contender-to-land-dwight-howard.html



Humphries and Brooks to Cleveland......3 first rounders and Lopez to Orlando.

Good lord that's an awful deal for Orlando.

hooshoops
07-09-2012, 02:11 PM
40 mil for Jeff Green? Incredible how much that guy manages to get paid.

ehhh...i don't get it either...$10 mil per...danny ainge loves him...he's a tweener

Perfect23
07-09-2012, 02:50 PM
Good lord that's an awful deal for Orlando.

Yeah it is but right now DwightHoward is nothing but a gianthead ache its better to trade him then just keep putting up with him I lost every amount of respect I have for Dwight Howard.

Clipse
07-09-2012, 06:05 PM
Yeah it is but right now DwightHoward is nothing but a gianthead ache its better to trade him then just keep putting up with him I lost every amount of respect I have for Dwight Howard.

This is true, but for that trade, I'd rather just let him walk in free agency than pay Lopez the type of money that he's going to get while adding non-lottery draft picks. It should be Andrew Bynum or bust for the Magic unless they get some other good trade offer.

Ferretsquig
07-09-2012, 07:14 PM
Bynum is as useless as Howard if he won't re-sign. Or even more useless, given the fact hes not half as valuable.

Lopez with a max deal isn't worth it, but at 8-10 mil per over 4 yrs hes a tradable commodity and worth the investment. With the high salary floor that was set up teams have to spend the money on someone, so its not like they can empty the roster and go with a bunch of guys on rookie deals. Or they could, but those would become the richest rookie deals in history.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. The Magic look like they've painted themselves into a corner but so did the Nuggets and Hornets and both teams got pretty good deals in the end.

Dolfan3773
07-09-2012, 08:30 PM
New York has reached a deal with Houston to bring in Marcus Camby as part of a sign-and-trade deal reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and the NBC Sports Network.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/report-knicks-reach-deal-to-get-marcus-camby-from-houston/

Clipse
07-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Bynum is as useless as Howard if he won't re-sign. Or even more useless, given the fact hes not half as valuable.

Lopez with a max deal isn't worth it, but at 8-10 mil per over 4 yrs hes a tradable commodity and worth the investment. With the high salary floor that was set up teams have to spend the money on someone, so its not like they can empty the roster and go with a bunch of guys on rookie deals. Or they could, but those would become the richest rookie deals in history.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. The Magic look like they've painted themselves into a corner but so did the Nuggets and Hornets and both teams got pretty good deals in the end.

Lopez isn't getting just 8-10 million and that's the problem. He's not worth more than that. The Magic would be better off letting Dwight walk, save the cap room, and start from scratch.

Ferretsquig
07-10-2012, 05:09 AM
Lopez isn't getting the max. Two years ago he was, but not now.

They're going to have cap room whether they bring in a guy like Lopez or not. Now that Anderson is gone the team has no rookie contract players that will demand a sizeable extension and very little in the way of guaranteed salaries after next year. The only real nasty contract is Richardson's, which I'm assuming is going to be included in any deal.

I still think another team will come into the picture, probably the Rockets, Warriors, Pistons, Kings.....some team that's just desperate to be relevant again, even if its only for one year.

Dolfan3773
07-11-2012, 09:06 AM
The Sixers have acquired Dorell Wright from the Warriors for a future draft pick, reports Dei Lynam of CSNPhilly.com.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/10/warriors-trade-dorell-wright-to-76ers-for-future-pick/

Ferretsquig
07-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Magic and Nets say trade talks are suspended......all the potential sign and trade options are about to disappear and Lopez will get a new deal with the Nets. A team with oodles of cap space could still jump in but I'd guess they'll put everything off until the season starts and all these new contracts are tradable.

Dolfan3773
07-11-2012, 06:07 PM
The Dallas Mavericks have agreed to one-year, $8 million deal with free-agent center Chris Kaman, according to sources close to the process.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8157870/dallas-mavericks-agree-deal-free-agent-center-chris-kaman

Clipse
07-11-2012, 06:19 PM
Magic and Nets say trade talks are suspended......all the potential sign and trade options are about to disappear and Lopez will get a new deal with the Nets. A team with oodles of cap space could still jump in but I'd guess they'll put everything off until the season starts and all these new contracts are tradable.

Not getting the max eh. Told you. If Hibbert is getting the max, Lopez would too. Pays great to be a decent Center in today's NBA. These dudes are getting overpaid out the ass. Looks like Dwight Howard to the Nets is officially dead. Well this year at least. I suppose they could still land him after Jan. 15th or a sign and trade next offseason, but I very highly doubt it. I've suspected all along he'll be a Laker, and it looks even more likely now.

The Magic win as far as I'm concerned. The return was laughable at best. Brook Lopez with a max contract was more of a negative return than it was a positive, not to mention mediocre draft picks aren't very valuable either.

CedarPhin
07-11-2012, 06:22 PM
Jarrett Jack to the San Francisco Warriors.

Dolfan3773
07-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Indiana is a team on the rise in the East, but they have come to the conclusion point guard Darren Collison is not part of that future.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/11/report-pacers-trade-darren-collison-to-mavs-for-ian-mahinmi/

Ferretsquig
07-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Not getting the max eh. Told you. If Hibbert is getting the max, Lopez would too. Pays great to be a decent Center in today's NBA. These dudes are getting overpaid out the ass. Looks like Dwight Howard to the Nets is officially dead. Well this year at least. I suppose they could still land him after Jan. 15th or a sign and trade next offseason, but I very highly doubt it. I've suspected all along he'll be a Laker, and it looks even more likely now.

The Magic win as far as I'm concerned. The return was laughable at best. Brook Lopez with a max contract was more of a negative return than it was a positive, not to mention mediocre draft picks aren't very valuable either.

Hibbert made sense......at least they were bidding against someone for his services. Lopez makes no sense at all. Who else was going to sign the guy to that kind of money?

Clipse
07-12-2012, 03:57 AM
Hibbert made sense......at least they were bidding against someone for his services. Lopez makes no sense at all. Who else was going to sign the guy to that kind of money?

The Bobcats and Blazers supposedly.

Ferretsquig
07-12-2012, 04:11 AM
Dirk gets his buddy Kaman for a season to help ease the pain of being the only half way decent player on a garbage lottery team.

Dallas and Atlanta seem reinvigorated by the Nets' failure. Both are positioning themselves to make a play for two max players next year. Paul, Jenkins, Marvin, Horford, and Howard......now that would be some team.

CedarPhin
07-12-2012, 07:10 PM
Paul would be a good fit for the Mavs.

Ferretsquig
07-13-2012, 10:12 PM
Luis Scola gets amnestied......would look awesome in a Heat uni. The length of his contract should scare off most of the potential under the cap bidders.

CedarPhin
07-13-2012, 11:58 PM
Pat Riley said they were finished making moves. Scola would be a solid addition though.

MarshallFin1
07-14-2012, 02:38 AM
rumor is OKC is trying to make a trade for Dwight, involving Harden-ibaka.

A durant-westbrook-howard combo is scary, hopefully it doesnt happen.

Ferretsquig
07-16-2012, 10:38 AM
Kinda looks like the Bulls might be throwing away the season in order to get a high lotto pick to pair with Rose.

Could be in for one very dull regular season in the eastern conference.

Clipse
07-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Kinda looks like the Bulls might be throwing away the season in order to get a high lotto pick to pair with Rose.

Could be in for one very dull regular season in the eastern conference.

What else is new. The EC has sucked for quite awhile.

Clipse
07-17-2012, 01:32 PM
Billy King strikes again. Humphries to the Nets for 2 years 24 million. Only King could manage to still be ****ed financially with the worst bench in the league without landing Dwight. Seriously, they're in luxury tax territory on their starters alone.

Ferretsquig
07-18-2012, 07:34 AM
Humphries was given the contract with Howard in mind. They're still trying to get him and will now be able to take back every long term deal the Magic have.

Speaking of clever finances......amazing how the Mavs retooled with a bunch of good vets all one one year contracts in order to keep their dream of Howard/Paul alive. I think the dream is more fantasy, but gotta give them credit for getting Kaman, Collison, Mayo, and Brand. Still think Cuban made a horrible mistake is breaking up that championship roster to go after Howard......

Dolfan3773
07-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Knicks don't match, Lin to the Rockets (team that released him) :lol:

Atawn Jamison to the Lakers

Grant Hill to the Clippers

hooshoops
07-20-2012, 01:32 PM
thoughts on courtney lee??? haven't seen him since the postseason when he was with the magic years ago...seems like ainge pulled another rabbit out of the hat with the trade though...

Clipse
07-20-2012, 03:40 PM
thoughts on courtney lee??? haven't seen him since the postseason when he was with the magic years ago...seems like ainge pulled another rabbit out of the hat with the trade though...

Nothing special. Decent trade though for the Celtics considering what they gave up.

Ferretsquig
07-22-2012, 09:06 AM
Bulls letting Asik go. There goes that great bench. Watson, Lucas, Korver, Asik, and Brewer......never thought they'd let them all go.

Clipse
07-22-2012, 11:08 AM
Bulls letting Asik go. There goes that great bench. Watson, Lucas, Korver, Asik, and Brewer......never thought they'd let them all go.

All of those guys are easily replaceable. Asik for that kind of money is laughable at best.

PhinsPhan11
07-22-2012, 11:31 AM
All of those guys are easily replaceable. Asik for that kind of money is laughable at best.
I was thinking the same thing. Dude blows.

Ferretsquig
07-22-2012, 01:12 PM
That frontline of Asik/Gibson/Brewer was awesome. Impressive how much they outscored their opponents while on the floor given their complete ineptitude on the offensive end.

I hate when owners make decisions based on the money. It makes no sense otherwise to let Asik go......its not going to help the team in any way, and its not like it'll create any room under the cap for further moves down the road. As the GM you have to watch a coveted asset go for nothing so your boss can pocket another 10 mil.

CedarPhin
07-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Are the Bulls just punting this season?

Clipse
07-22-2012, 09:39 PM
That frontline of Asik/Gibson/Brewer was awesome. Impressive how much they outscored their opponents while on the floor given their complete ineptitude on the offensive end.

I hate when owners make decisions based on the money. It makes no sense otherwise to let Asik go......its not going to help the team in any way, and its not like it'll create any room under the cap for further moves down the road. As the GM you have to watch a coveted asset go for nothing so your boss can pocket another 10 mil.

It makes all the sense in the world to let a JAG like Asik go when an incompetent organization is offering 3 years $25 million for a backup who's lucky to see the floor for 15 minutes a night. Brewer is another dime a dozen defensive role player.

hooshoops
07-22-2012, 10:33 PM
asiks a tough one...sometimes you wonder with more minutes will you get more production there but then i always come back to his roll in chicago is what it should be...a big off the bench for 10-15 minutes a night...i don't think he's worth that money either...but bigs always get overpaid if they don't embarrass themselves on the floor

Ferretsquig
07-23-2012, 06:01 AM
Its always difficult to define worth in the NBA. If a team is 20 mil under the cap then is a player who gives 15 minutes a game worth 10 mil? You're going to spend the money anyways.....might as well give it to someone that helps the team. You can't go around comparing player's salaries to determine their worth without taking them in the proper context.

The NBA gives teams every opportunity to retain their own players and I just think its stupid to give up young assets for nothing, unless you're clearing up room for something better. If the plan is to give up for the next two years and go for a max player in 2014 I guess its understandable. But who out there is worth wasting two seasons of Rose's career? Kinda find it hard to believe that Lebron is going to opt out of his Heat deal and bolt to Chicago........I guess anythings possible.

Clipse
07-23-2012, 07:44 AM
Its always difficult to define worth in the NBA. If a team is 20 mil under the cap then is a player who gives 15 minutes a game worth 10 mil? You're going to spend the money anyways.....might as well give it to someone that helps the team. You can't go around comparing player's salaries to determine their worth without taking them in the proper context.

The NBA gives teams every opportunity to retain their own players and I just think its stupid to give up young assets for nothing, unless you're clearing up room for something better. If the plan is to give up for the next two years and go for a max player in 2014 I guess its understandable. But who out there is worth wasting two seasons of Rose's career? Kinda find it hard to believe that Lebron is going to opt out of his Heat deal and bolt to Chicago........I guess anythings possible.

You're being very generous calling Asik a young asset. He's just another guy. Easily replaced. That money is better spent elsewhere than a mediocre center who won't play much because Joakim Noah is obviously the much better player.

Ferretsquig
07-23-2012, 08:23 AM
Asik is just another guy who is getting paid 25 mil over three years. And this isn't representative of value to you?

The Bulls don't get to spend that money elsewhere. They're over the cap.

Clipse
07-23-2012, 10:33 AM
Asik is just another guy who is getting paid 25 mil over three years. And this isn't representative of value to you?

The Bulls don't get to spend that money elsewhere. They're over the cap.

What does that have to do with anything? So because they're over the cap, they should just drastically overpay 10 million a year to a mediocre player to play 15 minutes at the very best off the bench? They could get similar or better production easily with MLE, and perhaps even the vet min because the MLE could be much better used than on a 10-15 MPG backup center. Or, if they were smart, they would just amnesty Boozer already, and then they would have cap space.

Ferretsquig
07-23-2012, 03:39 PM
I don't see why this is so difficult to comprehend. It has nothing to do with money paid or production received. It is the value of an asset. It would be very difficult for the Bulls to sign a player valued at 25 mil to a 3 yr 9 mil deal......so no, I don't think he can be replaced by a vet on an MLE contract.

Clipse
07-23-2012, 04:38 PM
I don't see why this is so difficult to comprehend. It has nothing to do with money paid or production received. It is the value of an asset. It would be very difficult for the Bulls to sign a player valued at 25 mil to a 3 yr 9 mil deal......so no, I don't think he can be replaced by a vet on an MLE contract.

I'm asking the same question. How it can be so difficult to comprehend that Asik isn't an asset, nor valuable, and is only worth 25 mil to incompetent organizations like the Rockets is beyond me. He certainly isn't worth 25 million to a team that already has Joakim Noah. Omer Asik is mediocre, if that.

Ferretsquig
07-24-2012, 06:40 AM
I'm asking the same question. How it can be so difficult to comprehend that Asik isn't an asset, nor valuable, and is only worth 25 mil to incompetent organizations like the Rockets is beyond me.

You don't see how you contradict yourself in that statement?

Built2Win
07-24-2012, 12:02 PM
rockets did lots of wild moves ...gutting scola a proven big.. picking up linsanity.. offering crazy money for asick
I still like how the heat upgraded even if on paper they are the smallest team in the nba. Rashard could be the x factor. His chemistry with ray allen from the supersonic days you could see them playing together quite a few minutes when any of the big 3 need a breather..

rob19
07-24-2012, 10:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FNRiZdIuQI&feature=g-all-u