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hooshoops
07-02-2012, 09:09 AM
we're a little less than a month away from training camp...as such miami dolphins info is gonna be scarce in the next few weeks...thought we'd start a thread to discuss/debate the best young players in the game and the guys who will carry the league into the future to pass the time til camp...let's keep it to guys who have completed a max 3 years as pros...hopefully the mods will allow this to stay on the main board given this down time...

fire away...

datruth55
07-02-2012, 09:30 AM
I'm not counting any rookies since they haven't played a down yet but being a fan of the U...gotta go with Jimmy Graham at TE as well as Rob Gronkowski. You gotta think, off of what we saw last year, that Cam Newton would be a guy that will help carry the league. Aldon Smith and Von Miller look to be two studs on defense. A.J. Green I think it going to be a stud at WR for years to come.

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 09:41 AM
I'm not counting any rookies since they haven't played a down yet but being a fan of the U...gotta go with Jimmy Graham at TE as well as Rob Gronkowski. You gotta think, off of what we saw last year, that Cam Newton would be a guy that will help carry the league. Aldon Smith and Von Miller look to be two studs on defense. A.J. Green I think it going to be a stud at WR for years to come.

ha ha...good lord truth...one name per post...you just rattled off a bunch...no discussion of why you think they are the best young players in the game though...

start with jimmy graham...tell me why you think he's one of the best???

and yes no rookies...they haven't played a down in the league

j-off-her-doll
07-02-2012, 09:45 AM
The 2011 NFL Draft was nasty. Take away Locker and Gabbert (either or both could develop into legitimate QB's), and every one of the top-10 picks either justified or outplayed his draft spot. Newton, Miller, Dareus, Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith, T. Smith - and the 11th pick was J. J. Watt. That's the best top 10 I can remember.

flynryan15
07-02-2012, 09:45 AM
Wait a second why no rookies? Popular consensus around these parts are as soon as we draft them the void is gone.

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 09:48 AM
jj watt is rediculous...that is the prototype 34 de in the nfl...have to give slimm props on that one...kids a monster...he's outplayed where he was drafted...terrific pro

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 09:51 AM
cam newtons ability to throw with accuracy and paste off an uneven platform is SPECIAL...he throws ropes with guys all over him and off his back foot...not to mention all the other rediculous things he does...terrific vertical accuracy and ball placement...

he has the ability to redefine the position as a duel threat qb...i can't wait to see him in year 2

datruth55
07-02-2012, 09:54 AM
ha ha...good lord truth...one name per post...you just rattled off a bunch...no discussion of why you think they are the best young players in the game though...

start with jimmy graham...tell me why you think he's one of the best???

and yes no rookies...they haven't played a down in the league
lol you didn't say just one.

As for Jimmy, his size/speed combination is outstanding. 6'6" 265 lbs and runs 4.56 in the 40...that's a freak. Not to mention he's still learning the game after only playing one season at Miami before being drafted. I think he's got so much more room to grow and get better that it's scary...especially after coming off a 99 reception season and if not for Gronkowski he might have set a few TE records. Remarkable for a guy who hadn't played football since he was a freshman in highschool. I think Jimmy is arguably the most athletically gifted TE in the league and as he continues to learn the game he'll get even better. Saints have done a nice job to ease him in buy using him as a backup his first year and then elevating him to starter the second year.

flynryan15
07-02-2012, 09:58 AM
Who was the guy on here that told Parcells to draft Jimmy Graham in the pisser at the senior bowl and the lard ass ridiculed him? Should have pissed on that fat ****!

datruth55
07-02-2012, 09:59 AM
Who was the guy on here that told Parcells to draft Jimmy Wilson in the pisser at the senior bowl and the lard ass ridiculed him? Should have pissed on that fat ****!
You mean Jimmy Graham?

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 10:10 AM
rob gronkowski already is the best all around te in the game...physically imposes his will on guys...terrific soft hands...great in line...catches everything...special...that kids gonna be a thorn in our sides for a decade...

with the way they let these giant te's now just move guys out of position and any high hit from a safety down the seam is a 15 yard penalty good luck stopping that freight train

flynryan15
07-02-2012, 10:11 AM
You mean Jimmy Graham?

yeah him too? Was that you?

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 10:15 AM
next step in the growth of jimmy graham is hand usage...more hand usage to create separation...learning to use his body to fend off defenders and position himself for the ball...that spread o and drew brees mastery of the offense makes him a almost impossible cover...

i'd still take gronk over him though if given the choice of the two

datruth55
07-02-2012, 10:17 AM
yeah him too? Was that you?
Wasn't me but I remember reading it here. I think it's funny that one of the beat writers said Parcells called the Saints to congratulate them on taking Jimmy Graham and that he was going to draft him in the 4th...of course that's vintage Parcells, that story only came out last year when Jimmy Graham was blowing up and of course the story about him recommending Rex Ryan to the Jets only came out after Rex was going to his second AFC Championship game. Parcells looking to take credit when it's not deserved.

datruth55
07-02-2012, 10:20 AM
next step in the growth of jimmy graham is hand usage...more hand usage to create separation...learning to use his body to fend off defenders and position himself for the ball...that spread o and drew brees mastery of the offense makes him a almost impossible cover...

i'd still take gronk over him though if given the choice of the two
I think in this WCO we're going to run Jimmy might be the better fit. Just given his speed and his ability to separate. You're right on his hand usage though, he more "boxes out" like the BBall player that he is to shield defenders from the ball when he's in tight coverage...effective though.

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 10:21 AM
jimmy graham was awfully raw when he came out...awfully raw...thats the kind of high pick that a team like the saints with an established qb and established roster period could afford to take a chance on that high...miami was not in the same boat...that said next time i see a guy that size who runs that fast and is a high level athlete come down the pipe as a prospect i'm gonna upgrade as a prospect based on potential...only thing about potential without production which graham didn't have much of in college is that stuff gets you fired

no doubt graham would fit this o...no doubt...much better o for him than the one we ran under henning especially...i bet though that had graham come here we would have been trying to make him into something he's not...and not getting the same bang for our buck the saints have got cause he doesn't offer enougn in line from the jump

Dr. Phin
07-02-2012, 11:15 AM
How about JPP? The guy was looking great at the end of last year. 16.5 sacks in his second year.

Adam First
07-02-2012, 11:33 AM
Is Jimmy Graham a product of Drew Brees? Like in the sense Dallas Clark was a product of Peyton Manning?

MiZFiT
07-02-2012, 11:57 AM
The best young player in the NFL, imo, is that QB who went high in this years draft. And no it's not Andrew Luck. It's Robert Griffin IIi. This guy has the best deep ball I have ever seen. Oh and not to forget he is a track star so he is always a threat to tuck the ball and run with it. Good luck trying to catch him. Best part is, he is a pass first quarterback. He will be a star in this league for the next decade and beyond. He will revolutionize the way we think of quarterbacks in the future. Book it.

Dr. Phin
07-02-2012, 12:02 PM
Is Jimmy Graham a product of Drew Brees? Like in the sense Dallas Clark was a product of Peyton Manning?

No. (This is the "Welker" argument.) He would still have the talent, like other B-Ball players such Gonzalez and Gates in the way he uses his body and his soft hands, but his production may drop off on another team. That doesn't mean he didn't have the talent, just that it might have been under-utilized with another team.

datruth55
07-02-2012, 12:04 PM
jimmy graham was awfully raw when he came out...awfully raw...thats the kind of high pick that a team like the saints with an established qb and established roster period could afford to take a chance on that high...miami was not in the same boat...that said next time i see a guy that size who runs that fast and is a high level athlete come down the pipe as a prospect i'm gonna upgrade as a prospect based on potential...only thing about potential without production which graham didn't have much of in college is that stuff gets you fired

no doubt graham would fit this o...no doubt...much better o for him than the one we ran under henning especially...i bet though that had graham come here we would have been trying to make him into something he's not...and not getting the same bang for our buck the saints have got cause he doesn't offer enougn in line from the jump
Completely agree with that. Sparano would have tried to make him an inline blocker and probably wouldn't have played him much.

Dsteve
07-02-2012, 12:34 PM
He'd have to block (any te) on our morano teams because we didnt have a RT. These TEs you're talking about have FREAK athletic ability. Dallas Clark does not. Maybe he got old real fast, maybe he was a role player that manning destroyed people with because he's manning, I'm not sure. Fact is though dallas clark is just a slow WR, not a TE. He can't block and thats all the colts could do with their TEs last year. They were horrible. Who knows what other TEs would have struggled there.

I think the old, typical blocking TE who catches passes second is dying out. Witten might be the last of it''s kind and that dude is still really a passing threat first. Gronk could prob do it old school style but why would you when he's so nasty matched up against undersized LBers...he's a freak.

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As for my young guys, Brown and Wallace, WRs for the steelers. If they can fix their olin, which it looks like they are paying attention to this offseason, they are gonna be something nasty with all that speed at WR. They aren't just speed guys either but football players. it makes you wonder who was asleep at the wheel for our team when they got drafted.

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 12:35 PM
i don't believe dallas clark was a product of peyton manning...did manning help him like any elite qb helps guys...sure he did...but dallas clark was pretty damn nifty at beating man coverage and understanding when to sit down and what peyton was thinking...

i don't agree with the rg3 talk either on here...of course i wasn't counting rookies in this discussion but cam newton he is not...

Dsteve
07-02-2012, 12:44 PM
I have serious doubts about RGIII as well. In fact I'm glad we didnt spend anything like the skins did and I'm also glad we weren't in the position to draft him. Just watching his college career, dude had a track team at WR which makes your deep ball look good. Just throw it up and your super fast WRs blow past people. I also didn't like his pocket awareness. He gets the happy feet and holds on to the ball too long. His speed is nice but he isn't a good football runner IMO.


that dude CK has a pretty good presepctive on RG3III too.

hooshoops
07-02-2012, 01:07 PM
rg3 has too much bail the pocket laterally in him and took way too much damn contact in college...if he takes hits in the pros like he took in college he will eat his meals through a straw...that said he has terrific deep ball accuracy and ball placement and throws a beautiful ball...he better learn to slide though...or his career will be a short one

as for mike wallace i don't think i've seen anyone in pro football that he can't just run right by...doesn't matter if the cbs bailing from the snap or the safetys playing back in no mans land the guy just destroys cushions and floats by people...rediculous

emeraldfin
07-03-2012, 04:32 AM
Think Julio Jones will breakout big time this year. Coming off a good rookie season and with another off-season under his belt, if he can remain fit then he could put up crazy numbers.

ROADRUNNER
07-03-2012, 05:02 AM
Im going for Vontae Davis to have a good year...................

cafinfan408
07-03-2012, 05:03 AM
N Suh makes line play fun to watch.
Dez bryant just needs to stay healthy

Funky Fin
07-03-2012, 07:45 AM
next step in the growth of jimmy graham is hand usage...more hand usage to create separation...learning to use his body to fend off defenders and position himself for the ball...that spread o and drew brees mastery of the offense makes him a almost impossible cover...

i'd still take gronk over him though if given the choice of the two

Of course you would. :rolleyes2:

ChambersWI
07-03-2012, 08:28 AM
Matt Stafford is the best young QB in the league (followed by Cam). Stafford had a surprisingly under appreciated season last year (5,038 yards passing, 41 TDs, 97.2 QB Rating). And I know people will say he's only good cause of Megatron. Well, Megatron has been great before Stafford but the Lions didn't make the playoffs until Stafford was healthy for a full season. Plus, he had those stats with NO running game (leading rusher had 390 yards)

DolfanISS
07-03-2012, 09:29 AM
N Suh makes line play fun to watch.
Dez bryant just needs to stay healthy

Agree on Bryant. Last year when they played the Jets it looked like him and Revis were going to have a battke worth watching, I was looking forward to it after Bryant caught a couple of balls over him. Then Dez got hurt returning a punt and wasn't the same for the rest of the game. I was dissapointed, Like I said it looked like it was going to be a great battle between those 2.

Phinatic8u
07-03-2012, 10:43 AM
AJ Green will be tue best ever.

I also think Vontae is one of the best young corners. Along with Haden.

Stafford is a monster and Newton is a god, Marino like god.

hooshoops
07-03-2012, 11:34 AM
Of course you would. :rolleyes2:

gronks the better football player...

Valandui
07-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Matt Stafford is the best young QB in the league (followed by Cam). Stafford had a surprisingly under appreciated season last year (5,038 yards passing, 41 TDs, 97.2 QB Rating). And I know people will say he's only good cause of Megatron. Well, Megatron has been great before Stafford but the Lions didn't make the playoffs until Stafford was healthy for a full season. Plus, he had those stats with NO running game (leading rusher had 390 yards)

I'll have to go with Stafford as well. I may be biased as a Georgia fan, but there is a night and day difference in that team between when he's in the game and when he isn't.

hooshoops
07-03-2012, 03:46 PM
stafford the best young qb in the game??? come on...