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BAMAPHIN 22
07-09-2012, 10:43 AM
The NFL will hold its Supplemental Draft Thursday, and the most intriguing name in the lot is former Baylor wide receiver Josh Gordan. The Dolphins could be intereseted. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/dolphins-make-sense-as-a-landing-spot-for-wr-josh-gordon/

ROADRUNNER
07-09-2012, 01:48 PM
They were saying it will cost us to much to get him 2nd or 3rd, cant see us doing that............

SMadison29
07-10-2012, 09:24 AM
Since we have two third round picks (thanks to the Bears in the Brandon Marshall trade) I would bid our third round pick (the more valuable of the two) for Josh Gordon if he's worth it. WR is a HUGE need & we can get him in here a year early with Tannehill we're ahead of the curve. Problem is the Vikings & Browns could both use him too & their third rounder is worth more than ours.

ckparrothead
07-10-2012, 10:35 AM
You can't decide to bid one 3rd round pick or another. Everyone bids their natural pick in every round, unless they've already traded it away. The draft order is determined by weighted lottery. I believe the weighted lottery is split up into thirds. The top third are teams with only 6 wins or less. The middle third is non-playoff teams with more than 6 wins. The final third are playoff teams. Each third has its own weighted lottery conducted to determine the pick order in that third, and then the thirds are put together to form a pick order for each round.

If the Dallas Cowboys are indeed very serious about drafting Gordon, and the Dolphins want him as well, the Dolphins can bid the same round as the Cowboys and still safely pick him up. I believe the Cowboys would be in the middle third while the Dolphins are guaranteed to be top third. However, Cleveland and Washington are rumored to be interested as well, and both would also pick top third. They would also start the lottery with higher weights than Miami.

datruth55
07-10-2012, 10:41 AM
Not sure why everyone's excited about a guy that hasn't played football since 2010, was suspended and then dismissed from Baylor for smoking pot, transferred to Utah and then decided not to play and enter the supplemental draft for "financial reasons". If this guys character and absense from the sport doesn't scream red flag to everyone then I'm not sure what will. Do people expect a guy who hasn't played football in over a year, has not participated in any of the OTAs or mini camps to come in here and pick up the playbook and actually contribute. It's hard enough for a rookie to make it in this league without placing all these other factors on him. Not to mention the drug use...and you want him in Miami? And some of you are OK with spending a 2nd or 3rd round pick on the guy? I'll pass.

elite14eva
07-10-2012, 11:50 AM
rotoworld says the only teams attending his workout is browns,cowboys & philly....nothing about the dolphins.

ckparrothead
07-10-2012, 12:02 PM
That's one way to look at it. There are other ways to look at it, too.

For one thing he was never in trouble prior to his being inside a friend's car when police found a small amount of marijuana in the car. The offense was so minor that his punishment from a football perspective (suspended four quarters, spaced out over a couple of games) is tantamount to a proverbial slap on the wrist. The more serious offense was when he tested positive for marijuana during a Baylor drug test. For that, the school administration dismissed him from school, but not without strenuous objections from the coaching staff who all loved Gordon and thought of him as a genuinely good kid that may have made a bad decision or two.

For another thing, marijuana use among NFL players is as much a reality as marijuana use amongst American citizens which last I checked was at about 42% as having at least tried it once. It is a simple fact that NFL coaches are aware that many of their players are actively smoking pot, and they don't care. All they care about is whether they're smart enough about it to not get caught. So really the application of the tired cliche that it's trouble putting a drug user in the city of Miami, is just irrelevant. Marijuana is as easily accessible in Anytown, USA as it is in Miami, FL.

Finally, you mention his leaving Utah for "financial reasons", and I note the quotations because they seemed to be coated in derision. The problem there is, the NFL wouldn't let him into the Supplemental Draft at all if he just up and decided he changed his mind and wanted a piece of that NFL money. The NFL are sticklers for players applying to the Supplemental Draft showing that their eligibility or financial situations have changed drastically from the January deadline for entry into the real Draft, to the June deadline for entry to the Supplemental Draft. Just because we don't know the details of those financial reasons, does not mean you should carry a default assumption that those reasons are fake, stupid or non-existent.

As for the guy missing OTAs and Mini Camp...come on...really?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bilL5xaZ-p4

The fact that he hasn't played football since 2010 is perhaps a little more concerning. But, he was practicing with Utah during the entire year he missed due to NCAA transfer rules. That's important. It's not like the guy just took a break from football and became an accountant like Les Brown. That year with Utah is really the great unknown in all this because literally only Utah coaches, and NFL scouts that have been present for those Utah practices, will have some idea how he's grown and developed over that year, and I have zero doubt he will have grown and developed during that time. When he played in 2010 he was only a true sophomore, two years out from Lamar High School. He was already a dangerous player. Just as you see a rookie playing one way, then come back in his second year and play far better right from the start, that development all occurred during practice. You don't need to be playing the games in order to develop. So I'm real interested in the Utah angle and how he may have developed over that third year in college.

My concerns have more to do with his limited role at Baylor and the zero optics for how he developed at Utah. It's really hard to get a firm grasp on what kind of football player he can be, and that would be my primary fixation rather than his having tested positive for marijuana at Baylor.

datruth55
07-10-2012, 03:43 PM
CK, are you really comparing a professional football player who already knows his offense and has been through professional workouts and off season training for 5 seasons to a kid that has no knowledge of such things? No knowledge of the offense, no knowledge of what it takes to be a professional, no knowledge of the little nuances of playing the WR position in the NFL...come on...really?

I really don't care that supposedly 42% of the population has tried pot at least once...that doesn't make it legal. And I don't care that some people think it's minor or should be legalized cause as of right now it's not. I don't go around breaking laws just because I feel they shouldn't be laws...I suppose I'm in the minority on that. As for Les Brown...he wasn't drafted, no pick was spent on him and he's a complete project. Les Brown should count himself lucky to have been signed and should count himself even luckier if he makes the practice squad. If we were getting Gordon for no draft picks as a project for the practice squad I wouldn't care at all. There's zero risk in that.

delpha
07-11-2012, 03:55 AM
Not too long ago, I wrote a story predicting the top stat leaders for the Jacksonville Jaguars for the 2012 season.
I went through both sides of the ball and gave my educated opinion about who would the lead the team in certain categories.
For the purpose of this story, though, we're going to delve a little deeper. For this one, we're going to stick to strictly the offensive side of the ball and give estimations as to what the key offensive players will amass in 2012.
How much will quarterback Blaine Gabbert improve upon his numbers from 2011? Will he improve at all?
If Maurice Jones-Drew comes back, will he creep up to 2,000 yards?

ticophin
07-11-2012, 12:12 PM
All I really care about, is if he is better than what we have on our roster today....(or can be) Marino "was" a "pothead" @ Pitt, remember?

datruth55
07-11-2012, 12:52 PM
All I really care about, is if he is better than what we have on our roster today....(or can be) Marino "was" a "pothead" @ Pitt, remember?
No Marino was rumored to be hooked on Cocaine...which is worse, and that was a rumor. He was never busted for drugs and he was never riding in a car with a friend who had drugs.

ckparrothead
07-11-2012, 02:34 PM
CK, are you really comparing a professional football player who already knows his offense and has been through professional workouts and off season training for 5 seasons to a kid that has no knowledge of such things? No knowledge of the offense, no knowledge of what it takes to be a professional, no knowledge of the little nuances of playing the WR position in the NFL...come on...really?

Didn't stop Randall Cobb from making an impact on the Packers. Didn't stop Denarius Moore making an impact on the Raiders. Didn't stop A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Doug Baldwin, Torrey Smith, Titus Young or Greg Little from impacting their teams. You know what I find interesting? Rookie wide receivers produced 8,176 receiving yards and 49 touchdowns in 2011, despite not having these precious off season workouts. You know what rookie wide receivers averaged over the previous five drafts? They averaged 6,709 yards and 36 touchdowns.

Listen, you can ignore the point if you want, but it stands. You tried to say missing OTAs would be a big deal for Josh Gordon, and I brought up a video of Aaron Rodgers quite literally making fun of the idea that missing OTAs had any impact on anyone, including rookie receiver Randall Cobb who was sensational right away in that first game of the season. I think I raised a pretty fair counter point to the idea that Josh Gordon's value is limited because he missed OTAs, and I just raised yet another pretty fair counter point talking about how rookie wide receiver production was abnormally high in 2011 even with every one of those rookies missing OTAs.


I really don't care that supposedly 42% of the population has tried pot at least once...that doesn't make it legal. And I don't care that some people think it's minor or should be legalized cause as of right now it's not. I don't go around breaking laws just because I feel they shouldn't be laws...I suppose I'm in the minority on that.

Again, I'm not sure how the point you've raised here is germane to whether Josh Gordon will be a valuable NFL asset. I didn't ask whether you philosophically agree with breaking laws with which you don't agree.


As for Les Brown...he wasn't drafted, no pick was spent on him and he's a complete project. Les Brown should count himself lucky to have been signed and should count himself even luckier if he makes the practice squad.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, which is probably my fault for not explaining better. I wasn't chiding the Les Brown signing at all. I was merely pointing out that while you seemed to want to paint Josh Gordon with a broad brush for not having played football since 2010, it needs to be considered that he has been continuously practicing with and being coached by an NCAA FBS football program that entire time. He didn't just spend the entire year out of football. He didn't even spend the entire year injured and forced to do nothing but rehab.