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Locke
07-25-2012, 02:17 PM
For those that are unaware, Chick-Fil-A had come under fire for giving large donation to anti-gay Christian groups. Shortly afterwards, their CEO Dan Cathy admitted to being anti-gay.


Though Chick-fil-A has come under considerable fire for its documented support of anti-gay Christian organizations, officials for the fast food chain have remained mostly tight-lipped about the controversy -- until now.

In a new interview with the Baptist Press (http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271), Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy -- the son of company founder S. Truett Cathy -- addresses what the publication describes as his franchise's "support of the traditional family."

Cathy's somewhat glib response: "Well, guilty as charged."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a-president-anti-gay_n_1680984.html

The response has been massive. First, The Jim Henson corporation pulled out of their partnership with Chick-Fil-A.



The company that created the Muppets has decided to end its business relationship with Chick-fil-A over the restaurant chain's public stance against gay marriage. In an announcement on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-jim-henson-company/july-20-2012/10150928864755563), Jim Henson Company CEO Lisa Henson said her company will no longer supply toys or other merchandise to the fast-food chain.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/jim-henson-company-breaks-ties-chick-fil-over-193837209.html


Then the mayor of Boston notified Chick-Fil-A that they are not welcome within in the city limits.


BOSTON (AP) The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.
Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (http://bit.ly/OevB9z ) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/jim-henson-company-breaks-ties-chick-fil-over-193837209.html


Then, several universities have started cancelling/removing Chick-Fil-A from their campuses.


Northeastern University may be the latest in a series of colleges to raise concerns over Chick-fil-A's reported support of "anti-gay" groups, but school officials went an extra step by squashing plans for a campus-based franchise of the fast food chain.

The Boston Globe reports that the university's student senate passed a resolution (http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-28/yourtown/31108665_1_student-newspaper-student-center-student-concerns), 31 to 5 with eight abstentions, "stating that the student body does not support bringing CFA [Chick-fil-A] to campus" on Monday night.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/chick-fil-a-franchise-northeastern-university-scrapped_n_1311755.html

The one here in the Student Union Building at UNM is probably not going to make it much longer either. The response here on campus has been staggering.

What are your thoughts on this? Obviously, there is nothing that says you can't have your own ideologies when it comes to things like this. However, when it comes to the business side, why a company would take a public stance on such a divisive topic is beyond me. We are absolutely going to see the effect in their stock prices later. With the country moving more and more towards being socially liberal, there was no way for anyone to think they'd gain more business than they'd lose by taking this stance. It's absolutely mind-boggling. I think a bigot CEO spoke out of turn, and I think he is going to lose his job over this. Chick-Fil-A has to do something to mitigate this disaster...

rob19
07-25-2012, 02:30 PM
They make damn good sandwiches though

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 02:36 PM
They make damn good sandwiches though

^^And that is true.^^

They should have kept their mouth shut. It was dumb to come out with this especially from a business point of view. I will still get the number 1 chicken sandwich combo please.

trojanma
07-25-2012, 02:42 PM
This isn't necessarily novel for Chickfila. They have already sacrificed profits for beliefs in the past namely by staying closed on Sunday.
I think the response is a little overblown and will likely die down in due time.

Some may avoid the place due to this public reaffirmation of the restaurants stance though others may seek it out. Only time will tell.

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 02:46 PM
They could make huge donations to NAMBLA and Id still eat their spicy chicken sandwiches and fap to their milkshakes.

LouPhinFan
07-25-2012, 03:01 PM
The CEO should have kept his mouth shut about it for sure, but I too think it's over blown. I'm guessing there are plenty of companies that donate to Christian anti-gay organizations (or whatever you want to call them) and most people don't know/don't care. I think you can be anti-gay marriage without being anti-gay.

It won't stop me from buying their chicken nuggets. Good lord that is some good chicken.

phins_4_ever
07-25-2012, 03:13 PM
The weird think is that a guy with a last name of Cathy is anti-gay. :lol:

WVDolphan
07-25-2012, 03:30 PM
They make damn good sandwiches though

And its because of this, and the fact that I completely disagree with a conservative christian stance politically, that I vow to never eat Chick Fil A again except for times when I want a chicken sandwich. :lol:

Honestly, I dont give a **** that the people who run that company are stupid. They know how to make a damn good sandwich. I will buy them and eat them.

They need to be open on Sundays though. The fact they are closed on Sundays probably cost them a **** ton of business, which demonstrates their beliefs are more important to them than money. I can actually respect that about them. If they hate gays and love Jesus, they are free to do so. So long as it dosent change the recipe of that sandwich. I dont have to agree with them on religious views to agree with them on the best way to make a sandwich.

Honestly, its refreshing to see a company put its beliefs out there and not worry about the dollar. I dont see how this comes as a shock to anyone either. The fact they are closed on Sundays demonstrates they are hard core down with Jesus. The fact they hate gays should not be a stunning developement.

rob19
07-25-2012, 03:40 PM
And its because of this, and the fact that I completely disagree with a conservative christian stance politically, that I vow to never eat Chick Fil A again except for times when I want a chicken sandwich. :lol:

Honestly, I dont give a **** that the people who run that company are stupid. They know how to make a damn good sandwich. I will buy them and eat them.

They need to be open on Sundays though. The fact they are closed on Sundays probably cost them a **** ton of business, which demonstrates their beliefs are more important to them than money. I can actually respect that about them. If they hate gays and love Jesus, they are free to do so. So long as it dosent change the recipe of that sandwich. I dont have to agree with them on religious views to agree with them on the best way to make a sandwich.

Honestly, its refreshing to see a company put its beliefs out there and not worry about the dollar. I dont see how this comes as a shock to anyone either. The fact they are closed on Sundays demonstrates they are hard core down with Jesus. The fact they hate gays should not be a stunning developement.

I agree with this. It actually is respectable in the same way that I respect the conviction of the people who track down big-foot for a living.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 04:22 PM
Roseanne Barr Wishes CANCER on Chick-Fil-A Customers http://bit.ly/SUhcCw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FSUhcCw&h=pAQHJB1a3AQFJpTrX-FZdj4MxNR5VrCBU2N6-d3Fu3ilN8Q)Amazing how the left screams about how everyone should be tolerant, but then has a hissy fit when someone disagrees with them.

I for one don't really like fast food, but I will be eating at Chick-fil-a every chance I get. It's about time that CEOs become willing to take the moral high ground rather than submit to the pressure from social convention. People act as if homosexual preversion is some new "evolved" enlightenment, but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 04:24 PM
but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.

:lol:

DisturbedShifty
07-25-2012, 04:49 PM
I think it is wrong what the guy did. But it won't stop me from eating it. One of my favorite places to eat when I go to Colorado Springs, because we don't have one in Pueblo.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Locke
07-25-2012, 05:13 PM
I think it will die down as well. However, I don't think they'll recover for a while in some parts of their business model. Chick-Fil-A is one of a small number of fast food chains that has a pretty good presence on University campuses. I think they are going to take a hit there, seeing as universities tend to be overwhelmingly liberal.

It was just a stupid thing to say. I have no doubt that the CEOs of most of these huge corporations are Republicans, and are probably not fans of gay marriage. You don't see them opening their mouths. It was just a stupid thing to do.

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Roseanne Barr Wishes CANCER on Chick-Fil-A Customers http://bit.ly/SUhcCw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FSUhcCw&h=pAQHJB1a3AQFJpTrX-FZdj4MxNR5VrCBU2N6-d3Fu3ilN8Q)

Amazing how the left screams about how everyone should be tolerant, but then has a hissy fit when someone disagrees with them.

I for one don't really like fast food, but I will be eating at Chick-fil-a every chance I get. It's about time that CEOs become willing to take the moral high ground rather than submit to the pressure from social convention. People act as if homosexual preversion is some new "evolved" enlightenment, but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.

So one person equals "The Left". Interesting. How many paint chips did you eat as a child...?

Spesh
07-25-2012, 05:23 PM
Roseanne Barr Wishes CANCER on Chick-Fil-A Customers http://bit.ly/SUhcCw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FSUhcCw&h=pAQHJB1a3AQFJpTrX-FZdj4MxNR5VrCBU2N6-d3Fu3ilN8Q)

Amazing how the left screams about how everyone should be tolerant, but then has a hissy fit when someone disagrees with them.

I for one don't really like fast food, but I will be eating at Chick-fil-a every chance I get. It's about time that CEOs become willing to take the moral high ground rather than submit to the pressure from social convention. People act as if homosexual preversion is some new "evolved" enlightenment, but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.

So, the others are having a hissy fit, but you know, your prediction of the destruction of society due to the gays is totally rational. Right.

Anyways, it was a foolish move on Chick-Fil-A's part. As a business move, it was absurd to take sides. Its a hot button issue that would have cost them costumers either way. That being said, i think its more of a media outrage then anything else. Others have stated they will keep eating there even if they disagree with the CEO. I dont see that as unreasonable.

Im not much of a fast food guy and when i do grab something its usually from one or two places that aren't Chick-Fil-A. So this isnt like they lost a customer. But, if i have to eat out and i have a choice about it, ill not choose Chick-Fil-A. If the choice is between a Chick-Fil-A or a Burger King, ill grab the Burger King. They can keep donating to discrimination, ill keep scarfing down artery-clogging-diabetes-onsetting burgers.

trojanma
07-25-2012, 05:30 PM
I would be careful about over-generalizing Republicans. I imaging that most CEO don't give a rats ass about the gay debate as long as you buy their stuff(Chickfila being the exception)

I bet you that most "corporate" republicans only toe the values line because they need to keep the activist wing of the party happy and engaged.

Locke
07-25-2012, 05:33 PM
I would be careful about over-generalizing Republicans. I imaging that most CEO don't give a rats ass about the gay debate as long as you buy their stuff(Chickfila being the exception)

I bet you that most "corporate" republicans only toe the values line because they need to keep the activist wing of the party happy and engaged.

I don't find it to be an over-generalization to say that most of the 1% are Republican. Seeing as how most Republicans tend to agree that marriage should be between a man and a woman (notice I said Republicans, not conservatives, before I get bombarded), I don't think my post was a stretch. I do see your point though.

My overall point was simply that this guy is probably not the only CEO who feels this way, but he is definitely the only one stupid enough to take a side publicly...

trojanma
07-25-2012, 05:46 PM
My contention was with the assertion that most republican CEO's are traditionalists as far as marriage. Not that most CEO are republican.

I agree that most 1%'ers are Republicans. That is natural since the Republican ethos is to limit regulations and taxes all things that keep more loot in the pockets of the 1%'s/CEO's. The loot would allow them to grow their business more.

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 05:54 PM
Roseanne Barr Wishes CANCER on Chick-Fil-A Customers http://bit.ly/SUhcCw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FSUhcCw&h=pAQHJB1a3AQFJpTrX-FZdj4MxNR5VrCBU2N6-d3Fu3ilN8Q)

Amazing how the left screams about how everyone should be tolerant, but then has a hissy fit when someone disagrees with them.

I for one don't really like fast food, but I will be eating at Chick-fil-a every chance I get. It's about time that CEOs become willing to take the moral high ground rather than submit to the pressure from social convention. People act as if homosexual preversion is some new "evolved" enlightenment, but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.


Is this Lot???

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 06:02 PM
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Locke
07-25-2012, 06:27 PM
Chick-fil-A, home of chicken-loving bigots, is in the middle of a PR nightmare. After Chick-fil-A's COO admitted to being anti-gay (http://gawker.com/5927070/youtube-chef-shows-how-to-prepare-gay+friendly-chick+fil+a-sandwich-at-home?tag=chickfila), the Jim Henson Company (bless their heart) pulled their toys from Chick-fil-A's kids meals (http://gawker.com/5928771/chick+fil+a-has-withdrawn-all-jim-henson-toys-nationwide). Only Chick-fil-A claimed the toys were pulled because of a "possible safety issue". That, of course, is a complete lie. A lie that the company may be propagating with fake Facebook accounts of Chick-fil-a sympathists.

http://gizmodo.com/5928926/chick+fil+a-got-caught-pretending-to-be-a-fake-teenage-girl-on-facebook

:lol::lol::lol:
(http://gizmodo.com/5928926/chick+fil+a-got-caught-pretending-to-be-a-fake-teenage-girl-on-facebook)
You can't make this stuff up...

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My contention was with the assertion that most republican CEO's are traditionalists as far as marriage. Not that most CEO are republican.

I agree that most 1%'ers are Republicans. That is natural since the Republican ethos is to limit regulations and taxes all things that keep more loot in the pockets of the 1%'s/CEO's. The loot would allow them to grow their business more.

Fair enough. That was definitely an assumption on my part, and one that is equally probable to be untrue as it is true...

CattailsrEdible
07-25-2012, 06:31 PM
Chic-fil-a just got a new customer! Good on them!!!!!

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Locke
07-25-2012, 06:38 PM
Chic-fil-a just got a new customer! Good on them!!!!!

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Love me some ignorant people. Keep posting my friend, I need the laughs...

Phinatic8u
07-25-2012, 06:58 PM
:lol: At people getting mad.

Its gay people, who gives a **** to begin with.

But ChickFila is amazing and I will never stop eating there, no matter what. Gays need to stop getting so butthurt over bull****, if you didn't throw your gayness around like we all give a **** then maybe people wouldn't get all ewwed about you and your personal life.

Spesh
07-25-2012, 07:11 PM
:lol: At people getting mad.

Its gay people, who gives a **** to begin with.

But ChickFila is amazing and I will never stop eating there, no matter what. Gays need to stop getting so butthurt over bull****, if you didn't throw your gayness around like we all give a **** then maybe people wouldn't get all ewwed about you and your personal life.

And the next time a woman gets sexual harrassed in the workplace, well, she was asking for it because she was throwing her attractiveness around! What else were the men suppose to do but grope her up?

And its the victims of discrimination that need to stop overreacting to the discrimination being afflicted upon them. Now thats funny.

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 07:18 PM
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KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 07:22 PM
I think it will die down as well. However, I don't think they'll recover for a while in some parts of their business model. Chick-Fil-A is one of a small number of fast food chains that has a pretty good presence on University campuses. I think they are going to take a hit there, seeing as universities tend to be overwhelmingly liberal.

It was just a stupid thing to say. I have no doubt that the CEOs of most of these huge corporations are Republicans, and are probably not fans of gay marriage. You don't see them opening their mouths. It was just a stupid thing to do.

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So one person equals "The Left". Interesting. How many paint chips did you eat as a child...?

WHOAAAA there my friend. It isn't Chic-fil-a that is doing the discriminating it is the Boston Mayor and the colleges. Chic-fil-a isn't the one saying they won't serve those who are gay, it is the Boston Mayor and the universities that are saying they are not willing to associate with anyone who believes different than they believe, which by the way is still 63% of the Americian population according to a poll taken May 16 2012.

As for the decision to draw a line in the sand, and make a stand for his beliefs being stupid: the only thing stupid about it is that it took this long for people to start making decisions based on what is right and wrong rather than the amount of money, power or fame they recieve.

As for the "paint chips", I'll leave the insults and personal attacks to those on the left. If my belief that God says it is wrong for a man to have sexual relations with another man offends you, to the point that you have to call me names and/or discriminate against me, that is your choice. I believe that God gaves us rules and laws to live by, not to restrict us, but to help us live peacefully.

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 07:31 PM
WHOAAAA there my friend. It isn't Chic-fil-a that is doing the discriminating it is the Boston Mayor and the colleges. Chic-fil-a isn't the one saying they won't serve those who are gay, it is the Boston Mayor and the universities that are saying they are not willing to associate with anyone who believes different than they believe, which by the way is still 63% of the Americian population according to a poll taken May 16 2012.

As for the decision to draw a line in the sand, and make a stand for his beliefs being stupid: the only thing stupid about it is that it took this long for people to start making decisions based on what is right and wrong rather than the amount of money, power or fame they recieve.

As for the "paint chips", I'll leave the insults and personal attacks to those on the left. If my belief that God says it is wrong for a man to have sexual relations with another man offends you, to the point that you have to call me names and/or discriminate against me, that is your choice. I believe that God gaves us rules and laws to live by, not to restrict us, but to help us live peacefully.

I agree with you on the Boston mayor. He's a douchebag. But do you really believe gays are the reason for the downfall of societies for the last 3000 years??? That's like Hitler scapegoating the Jews for everything.

LouPhinFan
07-25-2012, 07:36 PM
And its because of this, and the fact that I completely disagree with a conservative christian stance politically, that I vow to never eat Chick Fil A again except for times when I want a chicken sandwich. :lol:

Honestly, I dont give a **** that the people who run that company are stupid. They know how to make a damn good sandwich. I will buy them and eat them.

They need to be open on Sundays though. The fact they are closed on Sundays probably cost them a **** ton of business, which demonstrates their beliefs are more important to them than money. I can actually respect that about them. If they hate gays and love Jesus, they are free to do so. So long as it dosent change the recipe of that sandwich. I dont have to agree with them on religious views to agree with them on the best way to make a sandwich.

Honestly, its refreshing to see a company put its beliefs out there and not worry about the dollar. I dont see how this comes as a shock to anyone either. The fact they are closed on Sundays demonstrates they are hard core down with Jesus. The fact they hate gays should not be a stunning developement.

They hate gays? How so? They serve gays every day and have said they have no problem serving chicken sandwiches to the gay community. I struggle with the leap that just because someone doesn't believe gays should marry automatically means that they "hate" gays.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 07:37 PM
And the next time a woman gets sexual harrassed in the workplace, well, she was asking for it because she was throwing her attractiveness around! What else were the men suppose to do but grope her up?

And its the victims of discrimination that need to stop overreacting to the discrimination being afflicted upon them. Now thats funny.

I agree, victims like Chick-fil-a who is being discriminated against by bigots like the mayor of Boston who won't allow someone with a different belief than himself to operate a business within his city limits. Imagine if the mayor said he wasn't going to allow a chain of Middle Eastern restaurants in his city limits because they support Islam. These bigots on the left get away with discrimination all the time and no one says a word.

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 07:39 PM
I agree, victims like Chick-fil-a who is being discriminated against by bigots like the mayor of Boston who won't allow someone with a different belief than himself to operate a business within his city limits. Imagine if the mayor said he wasn't going to allow a chain of Middle Eastern restaurants in his city limits because they support Islam. These bigots on the left get away with discrimination all the time and no one says a word.

So youre just mad that you think people on "the left" get away with discrimination better?

If you are not pro-gay marriage thats one thing, but to say that gays have been ruining every society is quite a bit homophobic and hateful. But hey, thats fine because some of those left wingers are too.

LouPhinFan
07-25-2012, 07:43 PM
Just saw on ABC Nightly News that Chicago mayor (and wonderful human being) Rom Emanuel just said they won't let the latest Chick-Fil-A restaurant be built because their values aren't "Chicago values". I'm glad he gets to decide what everyone in Chicago's values are.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 07:44 PM
They hate gays? How so? They serve gays every day and have said they have no problem serving chicken sandwiches to the gay community. I struggle with the leap that just because someone doesn't believe gays should marry automatically means that they "hate" gays.

Thank you. These bigots who are running off Chic-fil-a are so filled with hate because someone believes differently than they do that they act irrationally. They are so intolerant of any ideas but their own.

Valandui
07-25-2012, 07:45 PM
I agree with you on the Boston mayor. He's a douchebag. But do you really believe gays are the reason for the downfall of societies for the last 3000 years??? That's like Hitler scapegoating the Jews for everything.
The Boston mayor has no legal authority to do that, nor do public universities. That's what freedom of speech is all about. There has been no discrimination in business practices or anything of the sort. Private groups boycotting is perfectly fine, but you can't shut down or block a business because you don't agree with the head guy's personal beliefs.

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 07:52 PM
The Boston mayor has no legal authority to do that, nor do public universities. That's what freedom of speech is all about. There has been no discrimination in business practices or anything of the sort. Private groups boycotting is perfectly fine, but you can't shut down or block a business because you don't agree with the head guy's personal beliefs.

I smell lawsuit.

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 07:53 PM
Just saw on ABC Nightly News that Chicago mayor (and wonderful human being) Rom Emanuel just said they won't let the latest Chick-Fil-A restaurant be built because their values aren't "Chicago values". I'm glad he gets to decide what everyone in Chicago's values are.

Sucks for Chicago. They are missing out on the greatest of all time chicken sandwich.

Spesh
07-25-2012, 07:57 PM
I agree, victims like Chick-fil-a who is being discriminated against by bigots like the mayor of Boston who won't allow someone with a different belief than himself to operate a business within his city limits. Imagine if the mayor said he wasn't going to allow a chain of Middle Eastern restaurants in his city limits because they support Islam. These bigots on the left get away with discrimination all the time and no one says a word.

Hilarious. "Stop discriminating against my discrimination!". "Stop defending yourself as i force my views onto you! Thats discrimination!". :lol:

Standing up against hate mongering bigots is not "discrimination", its common sense. Your problem isnt "discrimination", its whos been discriminated against. Human beings: perfectly acceptable as long as they are different. Companies: hold the phone now! At best, your enraged that the "left" has stolen your tactics. "How dare they do what we do better then how we do it!". For which, you will find no sympathy from me.

Then again, im for gay rights, so that means im directly aiding the total destruction of civilization as we know it, right?

Valandui
07-25-2012, 07:58 PM
Sucks for Chicago. They are missing out on the greatest of all time chicken sandwich.

The originators of the chicken sandwich according to a show on fast food I recently watched.

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 08:03 PM
Ill just say that I hope they at least make us a new sauce featuring the blood of all the gays they slaughter.

stwingle
07-25-2012, 08:07 PM
Check out John Stewarts show from last night, he had few good responces.

Spesh
07-25-2012, 08:09 PM
The Boston mayor has no legal authority to do that, nor do public universities. That's what freedom of speech is all about. There has been no discrimination in business practices or anything of the sort. Private groups boycotting is perfectly fine, but you can't shut down or block a business because you don't agree with the head guy's personal beliefs.

Your absolutely correct. It should be up to the consumer what is allowed or not. If the consumer disagree's with it, they wont buy the product and the business will be forced to change or not.
But politicians gonna politician. Im alittle surprised people are taking what the Mayor said so seriously. Its clear it wont work and hes using the media outrage to futher his own career....which is hardly a unique event in the American political history.

Michele Bachmann declared she would violate the constitution and ban porn. Did anyone do anything other then laugh at her?

Dolphins9954
07-25-2012, 08:57 PM
Rahm and the Boston mayor are proof positive that both sides are capable of being tyrannical at the drop of the hat. Both these douchebags should lose their jobs.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 09:15 PM
Hilarious. "Stop discriminating against my discrimination!". "Stop defending yourself as i force my views onto you! Thats discrimination!". :lol:

Standing up against hate mongering bigots is not "discrimination", its common sense. Your problem isnt "discrimination", its whos been discriminated against. Human beings: perfectly acceptable as long as they are different. Companies: hold the phone now! At best, your enraged that the "left" has stolen your tactics. "How dare they do what we do better then how we do it!". For which, you will find no sympathy from me.

Then again, im for gay rights, so that means im directly aiding the total destruction of civilization as we know it, right?

:lol:
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How is stating a belief discrimination?? How is anything Chick-fil-a did in any way discriminating?? Chick-fil-a is not the ones discriminating. Now if they came out and said they won't serve homosexuals or murderers, speeders, convicted drug users, or dolphin fans, then THAT would be discrimination. I dislike fat women, and that is fine that is my right. Now if I start saying I will not let any fat women in my bar then that would be discrimination. Why do you keep saying they are discriminating??

How is Chick-fil-a forcing their beliefs on ANYONE?? That is what the gay's are doing. Gay's are now teaching the alternative lifestyle to school children. Why is no one going around from Chick-fil-a telling students that it is ok to believe that homosexual behavior is wrong?? NOW who is forcing their beliefs on everyone else??

This outspoken hate from the gays that anyone who don't accept their lifestyle, has to stop!!! If that is their choice then fine do it, but don't tell me I have to do it or accept it as right, because it isn't. And most importantly don't expect me to vote for giving them a tax break for being legally married. Marriage is between a man and a woman, not a man and another man, a man and his dog, a man and his corvette, or a man and his invisible rabbit named Harvey. If two in the gay lifestyle are getting tax breaks then me and Harvey are getting married and I am getting my tax break.

CattailsrEdible
07-25-2012, 09:24 PM
Love me some ignorant people. Keep posting my friend, I need the laughs...

First off, im not your friend!

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KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 09:33 PM
Ill just say that I hope they at least make us a new sauce featuring the blood of all the gays they slaughter.

I think I will pass on THAT sauce!!!! LOL With all the STDs being passed around through the alternative lifestyle group I would be afraid to eat it.

CedarPhin
07-25-2012, 09:34 PM
I think I will pass on THAT sauce!!!! LOL With all the STDs being passed around through the alternative lifestyle group I would be afraid to eat it.

I suppose you probably think that if you go to San Francisco, you'll be raped by gay black people with AIDS too.

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KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 09:36 PM
Love me some ignorant people. Keep posting my friend, I need the laughs...

Sounds about right, most people usually like hanging around those with whom they have a lot in common...

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 09:40 PM
I suppose you probably think that if you go to San Francisco, you'll be raped by gay black people with AIDS too.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

LOL FAR FROM it !!!!! I can promise ya I'm not afraid of getting raped in San Fran or any where else for that matter. Not sure how you equate Christians with the Taliban but what ever floats your boat I guess.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-25-2012, 09:43 PM
enjoyed the chat guys, time to go back over to the football side

tylerdolphin
07-25-2012, 10:02 PM
I think I will pass on THAT sauce!!!! LOL With all the STDs being passed around through the alternative lifestyle group I would be afraid to eat it.

It makes me sad that I know you arent joking.

Valandui
07-25-2012, 10:23 PM
Your absolutely correct. It should be up to the consumer what is allowed or not. If the consumer disagree's with it, they wont buy the product and the business will be forced to change or not.
But politicians gonna politician. Im alittle surprised people are taking what the Mayor said so seriously. Its clear it wont work and hes using the media outrage to futher his own career....which is hardly a unique event in the American political history.

Michele Bachmann declared she would violate the constitution and ban porn. Did anyone do anything other then laugh at her?

I personally feel like he thinks that he has more power than he actually does.

Spesh
07-25-2012, 10:23 PM
:lol:
:lol:
How is stating a belief discrimination?? How is anything Chick-fil-a did in any way discriminating?? Chick-fil-a is not the ones discriminating. Now if they came out and said they won't serve homosexuals or murderers, speeders, convicted drug users, or dolphin fans, then THAT would be discrimination. I dislike fat women, and that is fine that is my right. Now if I start saying I will not let any fat women in my bar then that would be discrimination. Why do you keep saying they are discriminating??

How is Chick-fil-a forcing their beliefs on ANYONE?? That is what the gay's are doing. Gay's are now teaching the alternative lifestyle to school children. Why is no one going around from Chick-fil-a telling students that it is ok to believe that homosexual behavior is wrong?? NOW who is forcing their beliefs on everyone else??

This outspoken hate from the gays that anyone who don't accept their lifestyle, has to stop!!! If that is their choice then fine do it, but don't tell me I have to do it or accept it as right, because it isn't. And most importantly don't expect me to vote for giving them a tax break for being legally married. Marriage is between a man and a woman, not a man and another man, a man and his dog, a man and his corvette, or a man and his invisible rabbit named Harvey. If two in the gay lifestyle are getting tax breaks then me and Harvey are getting married and I am getting my tax break.

Fair enough: using money gained from their customers, Chick-Fil-A's boss(or bosses) finance bigoted movements. Better? Oh, and beliefs can be based on discrimination. Were you one of the ones laughing at mormans because of the "revelation" they had in the '70s concerning black people? Cant recall if i saw you post on the thread.

So let me get this right, you dont accept them and because its not to your liking then so they must stop. And if anyone disagrees with your attempts to force changes upon them, you cry "WHY ARE THEY HATING US!!!!". And so when Chick-Fil-A supports that with money, anyone who doesnt want that shop to be around them are the ones that are bigots. Riiiiight.

And man, you are cracking me up. "But dont tell me i have to do it or accept it as right!". You mean, exactly the same thing you want from them? And here i thought marriage was about a Man and his brothers widow(Genesis 38:6-10), or a man a woman and her slave(Genesis 16), or rapist and his victim(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), or a male soldier and his prisoner of war(Deuteronomy 21:11-14, Numbers 31:1-18). Im glad youve shown me it was just about a man and his wife....well, and concubines and polygany and etc.
God forbid they get tax breaks! Because, you know, its all about the ethics and the money! But ethics first, unless its alot of money, then money! But still, ethics! Yeah! And anyone who disagrees is destroying society as we know it!

milldog
07-25-2012, 10:34 PM
I think it's ****ed up that they go public w their opinion, who cares, they make a great sandwich, but, if my son were to choose to be gay, it's sad to know others will vilify him. I'll bet if any of u who had a kid that chose that route, would choose your kid over religion. **** fellas, quit being a sucker, people don't choose to be gay, they have no choice, and the quicker u get over ur homophobia, you'll realize were all the same. There's references in the bible which is also hearsay. I am saved am completely believe in Jesus Christ, an know he could care less. Get the **** over it

Funky Fin
07-25-2012, 11:54 PM
Looking forward to my awesome chicken sandwich on Aug. 1.

Locke
07-26-2012, 01:41 AM
First off, im not your friend!

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If you want to hate on gays, that's on you. No sweat off my back. Don't be surprised when no one outside of your radical church group can stand to spend more than a few minutes with you...

Locke
07-26-2012, 02:09 AM
Of course not. I don't waste my time with narrow-minded bigots. If you want to hate on gays, that's on you. No sweat off my back. Don't be surprised when no one outside of your radical church group can stand to spend more than a few minutes with you...

Because I know good people like Lou are in this thread, I need to clarify. I understand that not all Christians are like this guy. When I say his radical church group, I say that understanding he is probably one of those Westboro fanatics, and not a normal Christian. I hope no offense was taken...

michaelscott
07-26-2012, 02:28 AM
Chik fil a tastes like sh*t! Thier food is nasty and they put high fructose corn syrup in everything.

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Funky Fin
07-26-2012, 03:30 AM
Chik fil a tastes like sh*t! Thier food is nasty and they put high fructose corn syrup in everything.

Well so does *******, but apparently we're supposed to be tolerant of those that like to lick it and stick their dicks in it.

Spesh
07-26-2012, 11:45 AM
Well so does *******, but apparently we're supposed to be tolerant of those that like to lick it and stick their dicks in it.

As long as its not your ******* or dick, whats it to you?

...wait, how do you know what ******* tastes like? Something you wish to share with the class?

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 01:18 PM
:lol: @ this thread.

trojanma
07-26-2012, 01:35 PM
The Polynesian sauce is basically high fructose corn syrup and food coloring.

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 01:37 PM
Well so does *******, but apparently we're supposed to be tolerant of those that like to lick it and stick their dicks in it.

Its really that much of an effort to treat other human beings that you know nothing about with respect?

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 01:39 PM
:lol:
:lol:
How is stating a belief discrimination?? How is anything Chick-fil-a did in any way discriminating?? Chick-fil-a is not the ones discriminating. Now if they came out and said they won't serve homosexuals or murderers, speeders, convicted drug users, or dolphin fans, then THAT would be discrimination. I dislike fat women, and that is fine that is my right. Now if I start saying I will not let any fat women in my bar then that would be discrimination. Why do you keep saying they are discriminating??

How is Chick-fil-a forcing their beliefs on ANYONE?? That is what the gay's are doing. Gay's are now teaching the alternative lifestyle to school children. Why is no one going around from Chick-fil-a telling students that it is ok to believe that homosexual behavior is wrong?? NOW who is forcing their beliefs on everyone else??

This outspoken hate from the gays that anyone who don't accept their lifestyle, has to stop!!! If that is their choice then fine do it, but don't tell me I have to do it or accept it as right, because it isn't. And most importantly don't expect me to vote for giving them a tax break for being legally married. Marriage is between a man and a woman, not a man and another man, a man and his dog, a man and his corvette, or a man and his invisible rabbit named Harvey. If two in the gay lifestyle are getting tax breaks then me and Harvey are getting married and I am getting my tax break.

And here lies the problem. You want to talk about discrimination. Here it is at the highest level. How can a person be denied a right such as being married because of their sexual orientation? You talk about all through this thread how you have a right to disagree with gays and beliefs etc etc... and its true. You do. People should not be discriminated against because of those beliefs either. I think youre correct that in no way should a mayor step in and say a Chick Fil A cannot be built in their town just because the owners of the company dont agree with gays. That is discrimination. Let the customers decide if they want to purchase a sandwich from someone who has those beliefs. If the customers dont like it, the business will fail.

My problem is you dont accept a 2 way street. Chick Fil A should be able to build its business wherever it chooses and people are free to choose whether or not they want to eat there or if they agree or disagree with those peoples beliefs. In the same respect, gay people should be free to receive the same advantages of marriage that the government gives to those who are heterosexual and choose to get married. If you dont agree with it, no one will force you to go to the wedding. GET IT!!!!! Be fair. 2 way street pal.

I tell you where the problem lies. Its when you crossed religion with government. When people turned this religious idea of marriage into a government thing in which people get benefits from being married. Religious people still look at marriage as a religious thing and therefore dont want people they deem as disrespectful to GOD being able to ruin their concept of marriage. Well if that is your problem, then you shouldnt be taking it out on the gays. You should take it out on the people who decided to cross your religious concept with government in the first place. Thats why seperation of church and state is a beautiful thing. Have your church and your ideas, no matter how ridiculous they are. You are free to have them. Just keep them OUT of my government, my schools, and my public places OK. No one is saying you cant have your beliefs. But, if you want there to be government incentives to being married, then realize that being married is no longer just a religious thing and all people no matter what they belief should be free to be married. Simple as that.

And dont be ridiculous with that marrying dogs **** to skew the argument. Its a ridiculous stance. No one can get government benefits for marrying a non human being.

Personally, Id be fine if you just took all of your religious nonsense and got the hell out of my government policies with it. Thats the best idea. Keep marriage as a christian thing and have a seperate idea of a civil union from the government to receive the tax breaks and other benifits of being committed to a partner. That way if you want to have your silly religious ceremony go for it. It would have no bearing on whether or not a couple is deemed as joined together by the state. You can even have Chick Fil A cater your "wedding" and they can dump that delicious tea they serve over everyone and pretend its urine of christ or some other silly bull**** religious people would do.

Now stop discriminating against gay people and denying them the same rights others in America have when it comes to being joined in the eyes of the state for the purposes of filing taxes and other legal things that go with it. No one says you have to agree with gay people on who to have sex with. Same way people fortunately dont have to agree with you on the ridiculous idea that things written in the bible are real.

Personally, I think both you and they gays have it all wrong, but thats just me. Im not going to stop either of you from trying to go to church and eat crackers and drink cranberry juice and pretend its christ and his blood and I wont try to stop gays from blowing each other. Just do that stuff on your own private property, out of my view and it dosent matter to me. Although if you want me to suggest which one of you is more damaging to society, its clearly the religious folks like yourself.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 01:40 PM
Because I know good people like Lou are in this thread, I need to clarify. I understand that not all Christians are like this guy. When I say his radical church group, I say that understanding he is probably one of those Westboro fanatics, and not a normal Christian. I hope no offense was taken...

Offense?? I took it as a compliment.

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 01:40 PM
The Polynesian sauce is basically high fructose corn syrup and food coloring.

And I care because I walk into a fast food joint expecting nothing but the healthiest ingredients.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 01:44 PM
I think it's ****ed up that they go public w their opinion, who cares, they make a great sandwich, but, if my son were to choose to be gay, it's sad to know others will vilify him. I'll bet if any of u who had a kid that chose that route, would choose your kid over religion. **** fellas, quit being a sucker, people don't choose to be gay, they have no choice, and the quicker u get over ur homophobia, you'll realize were all the same. There's references in the bible which is also hearsay. I am saved am completely believe in Jesus Christ, an know he could care less. Get the **** over it

Who is the one HATING?? You are right, I would certainly love my son if he decided he wanted to try the alternative lifestyle, just like I would love him if he murdered someone or even if he became a jet's fan. I would still love him, but not love his actions.

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Who is the one HATING??

So believing that gays are bringing down the country and exist to spread STDs isnt hateful? K.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 01:53 PM
I think I will pass on THAT sauce!!!! LOL With all the STDs being passed around through the alternative lifestyle group I would be afraid to eat it.Funny that you go from preaching about how bigoted and discriminatory the mayor of Boston is, then post drivel like this.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 02:00 PM
Fair enough: using money gained from their customers, Chick-Fil-A's boss(or bosses) finance bigoted movements. Better? Oh, and beliefs can be based on discrimination. Were you one of the ones laughing at mormans because of the "revelation" they had in the '70s concerning black people? Cant recall if i saw you post on the thread.

So let me get this right, you dont accept them and because its not to your liking then so they must stop. And if anyone disagrees with your attempts to force changes upon them, you cry "WHY ARE THEY HATING US!!!!". And so when Chick-Fil-A supports that with money, anyone who doesnt want that shop to be around them are the ones that are bigots. Riiiiight.

And man, you are cracking me up. "But dont tell me i have to do it or accept it as right!". You mean, exactly the same thing you want from them? And here i thought marriage was about a Man and his brothers widow(Genesis 38:6-10), or a man a woman and her slave(Genesis 16), or rapist and his victim(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), or a male soldier and his prisoner of war(Deuteronomy 21:11-14, Numbers 31:1-18). Im glad youve shown me it was just about a man and his wife....well, and concubines and polygany and etc.
God forbid they get tax breaks! Because, you know, its all about the ethics and the money! But ethics first, unless its alot of money, then money! But still, ethics! Yeah! And anyone who disagrees is destroying society as we know it!

You can try to turn this around as much as you want but it isn't gonna fly. The bigoted movement is the gay movement. They are the ones saying everyone has to change their way of thinking, and are attacking those different from themselves. They are the ones attacking businesses, individuals, politicians, and media sources trying to eliminate those who won't conform.


And yes, "they must stop" the discrimination against those who don't believe the way they do. And no one is "FORCING CHANGE UPON THEM", that is what they are trying to do to everyone else. Again with the trying to turn things around.

"And when anyone doesn't want that shop to be around them they are the bigots"? NO!!!! That is not what I said. They can WANT it all they want, but not until they ACT on that obsurd desire does it become discrimination.

At least the rest of the post shows that you are starting to comprehend.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 02:07 PM
So believing that gays are bringing down the country and exist to spread STDs isnt hateful? K.

I never said they exist solely for the purpose of spreading STDs. I would wish no such horrible condition on anyone. I don't now, nor have I EVER said I hated gay's or wish they get STDs or cancer or anything else. I just want them to stop trying to force their lifestyle on me. I am no better or worse than the worst homosexual. God loves him every bit as much as he loves me.

---------- Post added at 02:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 PM ----------


Funny that you go from preaching about how bigoted and discriminatory the mayor of Boston is, then post drivel like this.I'm glad you saw the humor in it.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 02:09 PM
I never said they exist solely for the purpose of spreading STDs. I would wish no such horrible condition on anyone. I don't now, nor have I EVER said I hated gay's or wish they get STDs or cancer or anything else. I just want them to stop trying to force their lifestyle on me. I am no better or worse than the worst homosexual. God loves him every bit as much as he loves me.

---------- Post added at 02:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 PM ----------

I'm glad you saw the humor in it.

Im sorry, but religion is the KING when it comes to trying to force beliefs on others.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 02:11 PM
I never said they exist solely for the purpose of spreading STDs. I would wish no such horrible condition on anyone. I don't now, nor have I EVER said I hated gay's or wish they get STDs or cancer or anything else. I just want them to stop trying to force their lifestyle on me. I am no better or worse than the worst homosexual. God loves him every bit as much as he loves me.

---------- Post added at 02:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 PM ----------

I'm glad you saw the humor in it.

Somebody tried to force you to be gay? Physically? :lol: And you can say you "don't hate gays" all you want. My racist step-cousin says he "doesn't hate n*****s." :bobdole:

I always find humor in hypocrisy.

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 02:11 PM
I just want them to stop trying to force their lifestyle on me.

Has a gay ever walked up to you and just started to blow you? Crazy how pushy they are.

You cant claim you dont hate a group of people while at the same time saying you think they are a cancer to society.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 02:12 PM
Im sorry, but religion is the KING when it comes to trying to force beliefs on others.

Exactly!

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 02:17 PM
Truitt Cathy......

Religious nut

Creator of the greatest chicken sandwich ever, one of the best sandwiches of all time

Legendary thread starter.

:lol:

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 02:21 PM
KTOWN, you should visit the "Anything Goes" thread here in the POFO.

Spesh
07-26-2012, 02:30 PM
You can try to turn this around as much as you want but it isn't gonna fly. The bigoted movement is the gay movement. They are the ones saying everyone has to change their way of thinking, and are attacking those different from themselves. They are the ones attacking businesses, individuals, politicians, and media sources trying to eliminate those who won't conform.


And yes, "they must stop" the discrimination against those who don't believe the way they do. And no one is "FORCING CHANGE UPON THEM", that is what they are trying to do to everyone else. Again with the trying to turn things around.

"And when anyone doesn't want that shop to be around them they are the bigots"? NO!!!! That is not what I said. They can WANT it all they want, but not until they ACT on that obsurd desire does it become discrimination.

At least the rest of the post shows that you are starting to comprehend.

:lol2::lol2::lol2:
Yes, the part about forcing victims to marry their rapists is the part that "people should comprehend"! American law should change so that a woman is forced to marry her widows brother, because...well, just because! And anyone who disagrees, especially those directly involved, is a bigot! :lol:

And you want to legally bar people from being together and receiving the same basic benefits that everyone else in this country enjoys. You fully support movements to that would rewrite the law to prevent grown sentient adults from being together. You dont call that "force"? You want to merge your personal beliefs into the legal system and make everyone conform to your point of view. Yet that somehow isnt "force"? And anyone who doesnt want to be around such company is a bigot.

And sure, the gays are the real problem because they wont just shut up. Again, why dont you just tell them "Stop defending yourself from my discrimination!". At best, your filled with hate because liberals are stealing your tactics. Discriminate against human beings: perfectly fine. Discriminate against a business: RIGHTEOUS FURY!
The Mayor will force Chick-Fil-A out of his city at around the same time Michele Bachmann violates the constitution and bans porn. But i suppose that second part wouldnt be wrong, right? That would just be another step towards stopping the destruction of our society, because, after all, the gays are receiving so much help destroying our civilization.

Phinatic8u
07-26-2012, 02:33 PM
"That gay guy just started blowing me officer"......"He was so forceful"

:lol:

Locke
07-26-2012, 02:37 PM
KTOWN, you should visit the "Anything Goes" thread here in the POFO.

Yes, please do. Here you go, let me make it easy for you...

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?321531-POFO-Anything-Goes-Thread-%28%28Warning-do-not-enter-if-you-can-t-handle-fire%29%29/page65

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 02:39 PM
And here lies the problem. You want to talk about discrimination. Here it is at the highest level. How can a person be denied a right such as being married because of their sexual orientation? You talk about all through this thread how you have a right to disagree with gays and beliefs etc etc... and its true. You do. People should not be discriminated against because of those beliefs either. I think youre correct that in no way should a mayor step in and say a Chick Fil A cannot be built in their town just because the owners of the company dont agree with gays. That is discrimination. Let the customers decide if they want to purchase a sandwich from someone who has those beliefs. If the customers dont like it, the business will fail.

My problem is you dont accept a 2 way street. Chick Fil A should be able to build its business wherever it chooses and people are free to choose whether or not they want to eat there or if they agree or disagree with those peoples beliefs. In the same respect, gay people should be free to receive the same advantages of marriage that the government gives to those who are heterosexual and choose to get married. If you dont agree with it, no one will force you to go to the wedding. GET IT!!!!! Be fair. 2 way street pal.

I tell you where the problem lies. Its when you crossed religion with government. When people turned this religious idea of marriage into a government thing in which people get benefits from being married. Religious people still look at marriage as a religious thing and therefore dont want people they deem as disrespectful to GOD being able to ruin their concept of marriage. Well if that is your problem, then you shouldnt be taking it out on the gays. You should take it out on the people who decided to cross your religious concept with government in the first place. Thats why seperation of church and state is a beautiful thing. Have your church and your ideas, no matter how ridiculous they are. You are free to have them. Just keep them OUT of my government, my schools, and my public places OK. No one is saying you cant have your beliefs. But, if you want there to be government incentives to being married, then realize that being married is no longer just a religious thing and all people no matter what they belief should be free to be married. Simple as that.

And dont be ridiculous with that marrying dogs **** to skew the argument. Its a ridiculous stance. No one can get government benefits for marrying a non human being.

Personally, Id be fine if you just took all of your religious nonsense and got the hell out of my government policies with it. Thats the best idea. Keep marriage as a christian thing and have a seperate idea of a civil union from the government to receive the tax breaks and other benifits of being committed to a partner. That way if you want to have your silly religious ceremony go for it. It would have no bearing on whether or not a couple is deemed as joined together by the state. You can even have Chick Fil A cater your "wedding" and they can dump that delicious tea they serve over everyone and pretend its urine of christ or some other silly bull**** religious people would do.

Now stop discriminating against gay people and denying them the same rights others in America have when it comes to being joined in the eyes of the state for the purposes of filing taxes and other legal things that go with it. No one says you have to agree with gay people on who to have sex with. Same way people fortunately dont have to agree with you on the ridiculous idea that things written in the bible are real.

Personally, I think both you and they gays have it all wrong, but thats just me. Im not going to stop either of you from trying to go to church and eat crackers and drink cranberry juice and pretend its christ and his blood and I wont try to stop gays from blowing each other. Just do that stuff on your own private property, out of my view and it dosent matter to me. Although if you want me to suggest which one of you is more damaging to society, its clearly the religious folks like yourself.

WOW you bring up some great points. The vast majority of which I agree with. I agree that government should stay out of church, and I agree that a great way to disarm a part of the problem would be to tax everyone the same (married or unmarried).

Now I have to disagree with your definition of discrimination as it pertains to marriage. The definition of "marriage" :Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Spouse) that creates kinship (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Kinship). The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but is usually an institution (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Institution) in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. Such a union is often formalized via a wedding (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Wedding) ceremony. In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to two persons of opposite sex (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Sex) or gender (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Gender) in the gender binary (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Gender_binary).

The term "opposite sex" is as much a part of the concept as the concept itself. The idea that another group can come in an change the outlines to fit their ideals, would be the same as if the Arena League came to the NFL and said, "we are going to start playing football in your league, whether you like it or not, but we like the field 50 yards long instead of 120, so now all the fields must be changed to include our ways."


As for the that a man couldn't marry a dog, I have to ask "why not"? If you are able to change the outline of what constitutes "marriage", then who gets to decide? With the "left" there are no absolutes so why can't I marry my dog? I can certainly see myself marrying a dog before the ridiculous idea of marrying another man. What if we split the difference, and instead of marrying a dog, what about a monkey?? They way some of these evolutionist believe, the monkey could turn into a human at any moment. We will just get ahead of the curve and marry a nice one and sit back and wait her to "evolve". :lol:

Spesh
07-26-2012, 02:42 PM
WOW you bring up some great points. The vast majority of which I agree with. I agree that government should stay out of church, and I agree that a great way to disarm a part of the problem would be to tax everyone the same (married or unmarried).

Now I have to disagree with your definition of discrimination as it pertains to marriage. The definition of "marriage" :Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Spouse) that creates kinship (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Kinship). The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but is usually an institution (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Institution) in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. Such a union is often formalized via a wedding (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Wedding) ceremony. In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to two persons of opposite sex (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Sex) or gender (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Gender) in the gender binary (http://www.finheaven.com/wiki/Gender_binary).

The term "opposite sex" is as much a part of the concept as the concept it's self. The idea that another group can come in an change the outlines to fit their ideals, would be the same as if the Arena League came to the NFL and said, "we are going to start playing football in your league, whether you like it or not, but we like the field 50 yards long instead of 120, so now all the fields must be changed to include our ways."


As for the that a man couldn't marry a dog, I have to ask "why not"? If you are able to change the outline of what constitutes "marriage", then who gets to decide? With the "left" there are no absolutes so why can't I marry my dog? I can certainly see myself marrying a dog before the ridiculous idea of marrying another man. What if we split the difference, and instead of marrying a dog, what about a monkey?? They way some of these evolutionist believe, the monkey could turn into a human at any moment. We will just get ahead of the curve and marry a nice one and sit back and wait her to "evolve". :lol:

Sentient thought. The ability to choose to get married or not.

Same exactly reason why we make children wait until they are 18 before they can get legally married. Then again, thats for the birds right? Waiting until 18 years to set up an arranged marriage is to much of a hassle.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 02:42 PM
Btw, if a lot of you guys didnt notice, the Cathy family just TROLLED THE **** OUT OF YOU. :lol:

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 02:44 PM
Btw, if a lot of you guys didnt notice, the Cathy family just TROLLED THE **** OUT OF YOU. :lol:

Not I. Not a single **** given about where they donate money as long as they still make a spicy chicken sandwich.

Pretty sure KTOWN is trolling me though.

JCane
07-26-2012, 02:48 PM
It's pretty much common fact that Religious nutjobs can't be reasonable when it comes to the interests of another group.

And if you want to talk about tax breaks for gay marriage, let's talk about the ultimate tax break for the economic terrorist group they call the Church. What a bunch of frauds in the Church. Pay your damn taxes like the rest of us if you plan on having such a heavy influence on the rest of Anerican with your Goddamn alcohol restrictions and other laws that restrict freedom of choice.

You just can't beat it into the heads of the Religious; especially the Christian group. You don't like it, don't ****ing do it. Sit your ass inside your home, read your little Bible, shut up and leave the rest of us alone. Stop infringing on my fun because you're a sourpuss and have a stick shoved up your ass.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 02:49 PM
Sentient thought. The ability to choose to get married or not.

Same exactly reason why we make children wait until they are 18 before they can get legally married. Then again, thats for the birds right? Waiting until 18 years to set up an arranged marriage is to much of a hassle.
If we left it to religion, there would be no waiting.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 02:51 PM
Not I. Not a single **** given about where they donate money as long as they still make a spicy chicken sandwich.

Pretty sure KTOWN is trolling me though.

Nor I. They can believe whatever the **** they want. I'm more pissed they're closed on Sundays, which is usually when I'm craving a chicken sammich.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 02:55 PM
It's pretty much common fact that Religious nutjobs can't be reasonable when it comes to the interests of another group.

And if you want to talk about tax breaks for gay marriage, let's talk about the ultimate tax break for the economic terrorist group they call the Church. What a bunch of frauds in the Church. Pay your damn taxes like the rest of is if you plan on having such a heavy influence on the rest of Anerican with your Goddamn alcohol restrictions and other laws that restrict freedom of choice.


AMEN (:lol: Get it... Amen) to that. Taxing the church should be the top priority of all political agenda in this country. Ease up on the middle class by TAXING THE CHURCHES!!!! Thats a TON of money they rake in that can help this country out a great deal. In fact, if churches paid taxes, Id be more willing to let them have their say on all of these political issues they stick their noses in. Hell, I wouldnt even give a **** when they put Christmas trees on public lands if they paid their taxes. They could even put a pastor in my school and give him an office and everything. Let him counsel the kids who are struggling with personal issues. After all, the large majority of those pastors are really good people.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 02:59 PM
Nor I. They can believe whatever the **** they want. I'm more pissed they're closed on Sundays, which is usually when I'm craving a chicken sammich.

No doubt. I cant count the number of Sundays I got up thinking what I wanted to get fat on all day while I sit on my ass and watch NFL for 11 hours. You dont know how many times I thought a couple chick fil a sandwiches and a large waffle fry would be awesome. Eat one of them for lunch and have the other for after the first set of games only to be like DOHHHH(homer simpson) thats right its closed today. Why do I seem to forget that everytime.

Spesh
07-26-2012, 03:03 PM
It's pretty much common fact that Religious nutjobs can't be reasonable when it comes to the interests of another group.

And if you want to talk about tax breaks for gay marriage, let's talk about the ultimate tax break for the economic terrorist group they call the Church. What a bunch of frauds in the Church. Pay your damn taxes like the rest of us if you plan on having such a heavy influence on the rest of Anerican with your Goddamn alcohol restrictions and other laws that restrict freedom of choice.

You just can't beat it into the heads of the Religious; especially the Christian group. You don't like it, don't ****ing do it. Sit your ass inside your home, read your little Bible, shut up and leave the rest of us alone. Stop infringing on my fun because you're a sourpuss and have a stick shoved up your ass.

Its impossible to reason with fanatics because they do not see the world as it is, they see the world as it should be. When you spend your life viewing the world in black and white, anything that is a shade of grey is a direct threat to your existence. Ultimately, its self destructive because it can never compromise.

That doesnt mean its not fun to get them riled up when pointing out their hypocrisy every once in awhile.

JCane
07-26-2012, 03:04 PM
AMEN (:lol: Get it... Amen) to that. Taxing the church should be the top priority of all political agenda in this country. Ease up on the middle class by TAXING THE CHURCHES!!!! Thats a TON of money they rake in that can help this country out a great deal. In fact, if churches paid taxes, Id be more willing to let them have their say on all of these political issues they stick their noses in. Hell, I wouldnt even give a **** when they put Christmas trees on public lands if they paid their taxes. They could even put a pastor in my school and give him an office and everything. Let him counsel the kids who are struggling with personal issues. After all, the large majority of those pastors are really good people.

Yeap. How can KTOWN or anyone else do that matter claim that gays are pushing and forcing their lifestyle on him when the Church pays in taxes yet fills their streets with their Religious babble. Can't have this and thy within X amount of yards of a Church. **** those Church people. Some of the biggest hypocrites I've seen in my life.

The Church should pay taxes without question. You tax those frauds and they relinquish more power than people realize. It's not like it's cheap to build and operate a Church to begin with. Tax them and a lot of Churches wouldn't get built.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 03:07 PM
No doubt. I cant count the number of Sundays I got up thinking what I wanted to get fat on all day while I sit on my ass and watch NFL for 11 hours. You dont know how many times I thought a couple chick fil a sandwiches and a large waffle fry would be awesome. Eat one of them for lunch and have the other for after the first set of games only to be like DOHHHH(homer simpson) thats right its closed today. Why do I seem to forget that everytime.

I do too. It's ridiculous. I can't tell you how many time's I've walked into a mall, woken up hungover, or thought a chicken sammich would be amazing for football watching food, only to come to the hard realization that the bastards aren't open. I haven't had Chick-fil-A in years, and it wasn't for any political reason. It's because the mother****ers aren't open on the one day of the week I crave stroke-inducing food the most.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 03:13 PM
Not I. Not a single **** given about where they donate money as long as they still make a spicy chicken sandwich.

Pretty sure KTOWN is trolling me though.

Well Roseanne Barr got the **** trolled out of her.

Whats funny is while she will throw a tantrum about it and damn everyone who supports that place, if she happens to have tried one of those sandwiches and liked it(well who has tried one and not liked it) you damn well know her fat ass will secretely buy and eat those ****ing things sometimes. :lol: She will send out someone to get her a few on occasion and at the same time call for the ban of Chick Fil A. Its like if there were a Jewish base head and Hitler had a monopoly on all of the worlds crack supply. Totally ****ed. Rock and hard place.

Its like if Woody Johnson bought the entire NFL, changed all of the team names to the Jets with just the respective cities as the team name and all the teams had to wear Jets uniforms with the home and road teams wearing the alternating green and white(home teams in whites, road team in green). You know you would still watch and root for the Miami Jets. Even if Rex Ryan were planted in as the Miami coach.

But, were missing whats important here. What we need to know is what Tim Tebow thinks about all of this.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 03:27 PM
Stop infringing on my fun because you're a sourpuss and have a stick shoved up your ass.

Actually I don't think it's us with things shoved up our ....

Spesh
07-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Well Roseanne Barr got the **** trolled out of her.

Whats funny is while she will throw a tantrum about it and damn everyone who supports that place, if she happens to have tried one of those sandwiches and liked it(well who has tried one and not liked it) you damn well know her fat ass will secretely buy and eat those ****ing things sometimes. :lol: She will send out someone to get her a few on occasion and at the same time call for the ban of Chick Fil A. Its like if there were a Jewish base head and Hitler had a monopoly on all of the worlds crack supply. Totally ****ed. Rock and hard place.

Its like if Woody Johnson bought the entire NFL, changed all of the team names to the Jets with just the respective cities as the team name and all the teams had to wear Jets uniforms with the home and road teams wearing the alternating green and white(home teams in whites, road team in green). You know you would still watch and root for the Miami Jets. Even if Rex Ryan were planted in as the Miami coach.

But, were missing whats important here. What we need to know is what Tim Tebow thinks about all of this.

:lol2:

JCane
07-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Actually I don't think it's us with things shoved up our ....

Nah, it's definitely that side as well. Most certainly that side.

Always a look of hate in those eyes and a waddle in the step.

Spying every direction seeking something that can be taken from others.

The biggest hate group this world has ever seen.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-26-2012, 03:30 PM
AMEN (:lol: Get it... Amen) to that. Taxing the church should be the top priority of all political agenda in this country. Ease up on the middle class by TAXING THE CHURCHES!!!! Thats a TON of money they rake in that can help this country out a great deal. In fact, if churches paid taxes, Id be more willing to let them have their say on all of these political issues they stick their noses in. Hell, I wouldnt even give a **** when they put Christmas trees on public lands if they paid their taxes. They could even put a pastor in my school and give him an office and everything. Let him counsel the kids who are struggling with personal issues. After all, the large majority of those pastors are really good people.

OH NO, WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! Someone from the left has found a radical new solution. "LET'S TAX SOMEONE ELSE". Wow what a shocker.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 03:31 PM
OH NO, WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! Someone from the left has found a radical new solution. "LET'S TAX SOMEONE ELSE". Wow what a shocker.

WV was just called a lefty! :lol:

JCane
07-26-2012, 03:33 PM
OH NO, WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! Someone from the left has found a radical new solution. "LET'S TAX SOMEONE ELSE". Wow what a shocker.

Another surprise, someone from the wildly Religious has found a way to point fingers and take sides such as left and right and turn it into something else.

Left, right...Christian or Atheist...pay taxes like everyone else "since we're all equal" and all of that.

Spesh
07-26-2012, 03:47 PM
OH NO, WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! Someone from the left has found a radical new solution. "LET'S TAX SOMEONE ELSE". Wow what a shocker.

OH NO, WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! Someone from the right wants special and privileged treatment. "I DONT WANT TO PAY ANY TAXES". Wow what a shocker.

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 03:51 PM
WV was just called a lefty! :lol:

LMAO!!! Thats what I thought as soon as I read that.

tylerdolphin
07-26-2012, 04:51 PM
Actually I don't think it's us with things shoved up our ....

Well, you guys have a theoretical stick up the ass. Gays have a real stick up the ass. I much prefer to be around the latter.

CedarPhin
07-26-2012, 05:10 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/548866_406533342746077_1891656564_n-1.jpg

rob19
07-26-2012, 05:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8Qlmgw43E&feature=g-vrec

SpurzN703
07-26-2012, 05:17 PM
I don't care if they're anti-gay or not. I dig their waffles fries and I won't stop going there. If the owner of the chain doesn't care for gays, fine. He doesn't have to as its his right.

What people do in their beds is their own business. Good food is good food.

SpurzN703
07-26-2012, 05:24 PM
As long as its not your ******* or dick, whats it to you?

...wait, how do you know what ******* tastes like? Something you wish to share with the class?

Man I really wish one day the profanity filter on this site goes away. This place would be so much more hilarious

SpurzN703
07-26-2012, 05:26 PM
just like I would love him if he murdered someone or even if he became a jet's fan.

Two very similar walks of life huh? :lol:

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 05:26 PM
AMEN (:lol: Get it... Amen) to that. Taxing the church should be the top priority of all political agenda in this country. Ease up on the middle class by TAXING THE CHURCHES!!!! Thats a TON of money they rake in that can help this country out a great deal. In fact, if churches paid taxes, Id be more willing to let them have their say on all of these political issues they stick their noses in. Hell, I wouldnt even give a **** when they put Christmas trees on public lands if they paid their taxes. They could even put a pastor in my school and give him an office and everything. Let him counsel the kids who are struggling with personal issues. After all, the large majority of those pastors are really good people.

The money the churches get are from donations. Why should religious donations be taxed? Political donations are not taxed. Yeah, I live in WV too...

CedarPhin
07-26-2012, 05:27 PM
When religious bodies get political and have their leadership telling the flock how to vote, then they've gotten political and should be taxed. Whether it be the Mormon Church and Prop 8 in CA, or a militant preacher screaming "vote Dubya" from the tops of their lungs.

Religion has no place in politics. That's how we get great ideas like the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, or the 100 Year's War.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 05:32 PM
The money the churches get are from donations. Why should religious donations be taxed? Political donations are not taxed. Yeah, I live in WV too...

Verizon should just change the wording on my bill to "suggested donation." They could save billions in taxes (which they probably already do).

Spesh
07-26-2012, 05:34 PM
When religious bodies get political and have their leadership telling the flock how to vote, then they've gotten political and should be taxed. Whether it be the Mormon Church and Prop 8 in CA, or a militant preacher screaming "vote Dubya" from the tops of their lungs.

Religion has no place in politics. That's how we get great ideas like the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, or the 100 Year's War.

But.....if we remove religion from politics, how are we going to prevent the gays from destroying society?

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 05:35 PM
Verizon should just change the wording on my bill to "suggested donation." They could save billions in taxes (which they probably already do).

I'm pretty sure you were joking there. No one HAS to pay anything to a church. They choose to. If you want a cell phone at Verizon, you HAVE to pay, every month whatever they tell you to pay. Big difference.

rob19
07-26-2012, 05:38 PM
The money the churches get are from donations. Why should religious donations be taxed? Political donations are not taxed. Yeah, I live in WV too...

That's actually not a bad idea. We could just about feed Ethiopia with all the money we blow through every 4 years in campaign spending.

Plus we'd only have half as many ****ty political ads on t.v.

Gonzo
07-26-2012, 05:38 PM
I'm pretty sure you were joking there. No one HAS to pay anything to a church. They choose to. If you want a cell phone at Verizon, you HAVE to pay, every month whatever they tell you to pay. Big difference.

If you want to be a member at certain churches and synagogues you do, absolutely. Not all of them do that, but plenty do. You don't "have" to be a member of their church, so the same line of thinking applies. And we won't get into the "services" some charge for.

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 05:43 PM
If you want to be a member at certain churches and synagogues you do, absolutely. Not all of them do that, but plenty do. You don't "have" to be a member of their church, so the same line of thinking applies. And we won't get into the "services" some charge for.

I was raised Catholic, pretty much have my own religion now, and I've never been to a church that forced it's members to pay to attend. I can't speak for the other religions.

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 07:02 PM
That's actually not a bad idea. We could just about feed Ethiopia with all the money we blow through every 4 years in campaign spending.

Plus we'd only have half as many ****ty political ads on t.v.

Why should we be responsible for feeding Ethiopia? They are on a completely different continent! We need to get our own house in order before first. We are hurting here...

phins_4_ever
07-26-2012, 07:23 PM
Roseanne Barr Wishes CANCER on Chick-Fil-A Customers http://bit.ly/SUhcCw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FSUhcCw&h=pAQHJB1a3AQFJpTrX-FZdj4MxNR5VrCBU2N6-d3Fu3ilN8Q)

Amazing how the left screams about how everyone should be tolerant, but then has a hissy fit when someone disagrees with them.

I for one don't really like fast food, but I will be eating at Chick-fil-a every chance I get. It's about time that CEOs become willing to take the moral high ground rather than submit to the pressure from social convention. People act as if homosexual preversion is some new "evolved" enlightenment, but it has been around destroying societies for 3000 years. Nothing new to see here folks, you are just watching this nation's destruction before our very eyes.

I think you got it wrong. It is religion who has been destroying societies for more than 3000 years. All religion.
But our earth will survive another 6000 years. :lol:

rob19
07-26-2012, 07:25 PM
Why should we be responsible for feeding Ethiopia? They are on a completely different continent! We need to get our own house in order before first. We are hurting here...

:lol:

I didn't literally mean we should feed Ethiopia, it was metaphorical for saying that it's a lot of money.

LouPhinFan
07-26-2012, 07:35 PM
I can't believe you guys are still posting in this thread. There's more important things to worry about right now:
Kristen Stewart cheated on Robert Pattinson!!!!

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 07:35 PM
:lol:

I didn't literally mean we should feed Ethiopia, it was metaphorical for saying that it's a lot of money.

Gotcha. :)

Dolphins9954
07-26-2012, 08:39 PM
I can't believe you guys are still posting in this thread. There's more important things to worry about right now:
Kristen Stewart cheated on Robert Pattinson!!!!


Because he's gay. Any vampire who's skin glitters is definitely batting for the other team.

CashInFist
07-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Because he's gay. Any vampire who's skin glitters is definitely batting for the other team.

I'd hit it...

EDIT: HER, not him. :)

WVDolphan
07-26-2012, 09:08 PM
That's actually not a bad idea. We could just about feed Ethiopia with all the money we blow through every 4 years in campaign spending.

Plus we'd only have half as many ****ty political ads on t.v.

But, wtf would be the point in feeding Ethiopia? That sounds about as worthless as that bridge they built in Alaska.

EmperorPhin
07-26-2012, 09:11 PM
That's actually not a bad idea. We could just about feed Ethiopia with all the money we blow through every 4 years in campaign spending.

Plus we'd only have half as many ****ty political ads on t.v.
I doubt they pay much in taxes anyways. Im sure they are incorporated in tax free Nevada like most businesses as well as receive tax breaks from the government.

Spesh
07-26-2012, 10:14 PM
Days after Boston Mayor Thomas Menino sent a letter to Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy (http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/422348_10151791883475752_1848650776_n.jpg) saying his restaurant wasn't welcome in his city, he's backtracking completely. "I can't do that. That would be interference to his rights to go there," Menino tells The Boston Herald's Greg Turner (http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1061148712), adding rather candidly, "I make mistakes all the time. That's a Menino-ism."


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/07/bostons-mayor-backtracks-blocking-chick-fil-i-cant-do/55093/

And all is right in the world. Well, except our society being destroyed.

Valandui
07-26-2012, 10:24 PM
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/07/bostons-mayor-backtracks-blocking-chick-fil-i-cant-do/55093/

And all is right in the world. Well, except our society being destroyed.

How would you like to be the guy that tells him after his rant that he can't do that? How awkward must that be?

rob19
07-26-2012, 10:33 PM
But, wtf would be the point in feeding Ethiopia? That sounds about as worthless as that bridge they built in Alaska.

I didn't think everyone would take it literally.


:lol:

I didn't literally mean we should feed Ethiopia, it was metaphorical for saying that it's a lot of money.

Throw the money into the education system

bigguy1381
07-26-2012, 11:01 PM
Be mad at the media, not eachother. The owner of CFA was asked a question and answered it truthfully. He donated to Christian church groups, not "anti-gay extremists." The media is destroying this country and the ignorant people are the ones that feed off it.

Valandui
07-26-2012, 11:16 PM
Be mad at the media, not eachother. The owner of CFA was asked a question and answered it truthfully. He donated to Christian church groups, not "anti-gay extremists." The media is destroying this country and the ignorant people are the ones that feed off it.

That's probably true. The original publication even said that he didn't really say anything beyond stating that he believed in the traditional family stucture. The media really just kind of took it and ran with it as they tend to do.

TheWalrus
07-27-2012, 04:39 AM
I'm pretty sure you were joking there. No one HAS to pay anything to a church. They choose to. If you want a cell phone at Verizon, you HAVE to pay, every month whatever they tell you to pay. Big difference.

No one has to buy anything. They choose to, because living under a rock and eating grubs kinda sucks. But that doesn't mean churches don't sell a product just like everyone else does. Or did you not notice that the pitch to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and get everlasting life in return sounds like it's right out of an infomercial? The link used to be much more cut and dried with the outright selling of indulgences but it's not so much different now. Catholic schools give a discount to Catholics because it's presumed that you tithe.

If they can tax Miss Cleo for telling your fortune, they should be able to tax churches.

SpurzN703
07-27-2012, 02:59 PM
I'd hit it...

EDIT: HER, not him. :)

I'd second that. Her, not him too.

Dolphins9954
07-27-2012, 06:51 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/378208_478739078803674_1587571922_n-1.jpg

rob19
07-27-2012, 07:19 PM
Condescending Wonka's are never funny

Locke
07-27-2012, 07:21 PM
Condescending Wonka's are never funny

Some of them are. The one 9954 posted wasn't, mainly because of 2 entirely different scenarios. The only commonality between the two is that homosexuals are involved. Some of them are downright hilarious...

Dolphins9954
07-27-2012, 07:26 PM
It's all BS in the end. If you don't like the CEO's personal beliefs then don't eat there. This whole is getting ridiculous. Reminds me of the all the a$$ clowns who get the FCC to shut down "Shock Jocks" on the radio. If you don't like it change the channel.

Tetragrammaton
07-27-2012, 07:27 PM
Condescending Wonka's are never funny

Truer words have never been spoken. Most of the time, they are wrong anyway, like the one Carlos posted.

Dolphins9954
07-27-2012, 07:32 PM
It was a joke.

I'll replace it with a better one.


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/561063_10102130989192423_292783951_n-1.jpg

Tetragrammaton
07-27-2012, 07:48 PM
When it comes to memes, Scumbag Steve and Socially Awkward Penguin reign supreme.

rob19
07-27-2012, 08:22 PM
When it comes to memes, Scumbag Steve and Socially Awkward Penguin reign supreme.

I'm partial to bachelor frog & stoner frog
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/foulbachelorfrogeyeofthetiger-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/1292466952954-1.jpg

Spesh
07-27-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm partial to bachelor frog & stoner frog



Im shocked. Shocked!

CedarPhin
07-27-2012, 09:49 PM
I'm partial to bachelor frog & stoner frog
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/foulbachelorfrogeyeofthetiger-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/1292466952954-1.jpg

Bachelor Frog rules.

Chronic
07-28-2012, 12:18 AM
There sandwiches are too good to care.

Locke
07-28-2012, 05:13 AM
It's all BS in the end. If you don't like the CEO's personal beliefs then don't eat there. This whole is getting ridiculous. Reminds me of the all the a$$ clowns who get the FCC to shut down "Shock Jocks" on the radio. If you don't like it change the channel.

The problem here is you don't care, so you make the assumption no one else should care. Yes, the major issues in this country are the national debt, the wars, and the out-of-control spending. But because you don't feel like things like gay marriage and abortion are relevant, you feel like no one else should. I can respect that, but they are important to some of us. I can't even count how many lesbian/gay people Nina and I know. These are good people. Some of them are great people, some of the best you could hope to meet. It breaks my heart knowing that they are involved with someone they feel is their soulmate, but can't marry because some people who have nothing to do with the situation don't think it's OK. Luckily I married my soulmate. But, it breaks my heart when I think about how I would feel if someone told me I wasn't allowed to marry Nina, and then realize there are people in that exact situation. In the grand scheme of things, it may seem like a minor issues. To those experiencing the consequences of it, it's anything but minor...

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 09:43 AM
The problem here is you don't care, so you make the assumption no one else should care. Yes, the major issues in this country are the national debt, the wars, and the out-of-control spending. But because you don't feel like things like gay marriage and abortion are relevant, you feel like no one else should. I can respect that, but they are important to some of us. I can't even count how many lesbian/gay people Nina and I know. These are good people. Some of them are great people, some of the best you could hope to meet. It breaks my heart knowing that they are involved with someone they feel is their soulmate, but can't marry because some people who have nothing to do with the situation don't think it's OK. Luckily I married my soulmate. But, it breaks my heart when I think about how I would feel if someone told me I wasn't allowed to marry Nina, and then realize there are people in that exact situation. In the grand scheme of things, it may seem like a minor issues. To those experiencing the consequences of it, it's anything but minor...

It's not that I don't care. It's the notion that Obama and the Dems are any better on liberties. Just because they play lip service to gay marriage and not going after porn. Doesn't take away the fact they are just as much a threat to freedom and the constitution as Bush and Romney.

I support gay marriage and think it's total BS that they can't get married. However I also believe that Chic-Fil-A's stance on the matter is totally irrelevant. This whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. Who cares what a bible humping business thinks about gay marriage. Especially when they're not involved with marriage in any way shape or form. They have they right to believe what ever they want to believe and not be persecuted and punished by the government for it. That's where I have the problem when mayors actually think they have the authority to do this. It's pandora's box. If something like your personal views on gay marraige could be a litmus for mayors across the country to do a ceasar's thumbs up or down on your business. Then that power will be abused and corrupted throughout the country. Partisans will use that power to go after their opponents and if anything hurt the economy. I understand fighting for marriage equality and support it. But tactics like Rahm's and the boston mayor are tyrannical and dictatorial.

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 09:52 AM
Here's a good article from the man Glenn Greenwald on Rahm and the boston mayor.......


Rahm Emanuel’s dangerous free speech attack



Obviously, it’s perfectly legitimate for private citizens to decide not to patronize a business with executives who have such views (I’d likely refrain from doing so in this case). Beyond that, if a business is engaging in discriminatory hiring or service practices in violation of the law — refusing to hire gay employees or serve gay patrons in cities which have made sexual orientation discrimination illegal — then it is perfectly legitimate to take action against them.

But that is not the case here; the actions are purely in retribution against the views of the business’ top executive on the desirability of same-sex marriage:
Boston Mayor Thomas Menino has said Chick-fil-A “doesn’t belong in Boston” because of [Chick-fil-A President Dan] Cathy’s discriminatory stance.
On Wednesday, the tag team of Emanuel and Moreno joined the chorus, citing Cathy’s anti-gay views.

As my Salon colleague Mary Elizabeth Williams noted when writing about the controversy in Boston: “Aside from the fact that Chick-fil-A is always closed on Sunday, there’s no evidence those beliefs have been institutionalized in any way. There’s no record of refusing service to gay patrons, or unfair hiring practices, or a hostile work environment.” Indeed, Joe Moreno, the Chicago alderman who represents a “hipster ward” and who initially blocked the business’ expansion, made clear that he was motivated not by any alleged discriminatory business practices but solely by “bigoted, homophobic comments”: namely, the Chick-fil-A President’s view that the Bible mandates marriages be between men and women only. And as Williams noted, the company oversees a “foundation that’s contributed financially to” numerous right-wing groups: Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council, among others.

If you support what Emanuel is doing here, then you should be equally supportive of a Mayor in Texas or a Governor in Idaho who blocks businesses from opening if they are run by those who support same-sex marriage — or who oppose American wars, or who support reproductive rights, or who favor single-payer health care, or which donates to LGBT groups and Planned Parenthood, on the ground that such views are offensive to Christian or conservative residents. You can’t cheer when political officials punish the expression of views you dislike and then expect to be taken seriously when you wrap yourself in the banner of free speech in order to protest state punishment of views you like and share. Free speech rights means that government officials are barred from creating lists of approved and disapproved political ideas and then using the power of the state to enforce those preferences.



http://www.salon.com/2012/07/26/rahm_emanuels_free_speech_attack/

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 10:11 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/gaymarriage-1.jpg

Valandui
07-28-2012, 11:30 AM
The thing that makes this whole thing so ridiculous is that all the dude did was answer a question. It's not like he said we should round up all gays and put them to the firing squad.

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 11:39 AM
The thing that makes this whole thing so ridiculous is that all the dude did was answer a question. It's not like he said we should round up all gays and put them to the firing squad.

And it really wasn't a surprise either. Everyone knew the owners of Chic-Fil-A were hardcore christians. I personally think they're wrong but it really doesn't matter what a chicken sandwich business thinks about marriage. Let the people decide on this one with their wallets and not government officials abusing their powers.

Valandui
07-28-2012, 11:58 AM
And it really wasn't a surprise either. Everyone knew the owners of Chic-Fil-A were hardcore christians. I personally think they're wrong but it really doesn't matter what a chicken sandwich business thinks about marriage. Let the people decide on this one with their wallets and not government officials abusing their powers.
But even then, is having a difference of opinion boycott worthy? People are perfectly within their rights to do so, but is that really a proportionate response? If I were to open a taco truck and one time I mentioned to someone that I didn't agree with gay marriage, should everyone boycott Valandui's Taco Extravaganza?

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 12:03 PM
But even then, is having a difference of opinion boycott worthy? People are perfectly within their rights to do so, but is that really a proportionate response? If I were to open a taco truck and one time I mentioned to someone that I didn't agree with gay marriage, should everyone boycott Valandui's Taco Extravaganza?

Depends on how kick a$$ your tacos are.

Gonzo
07-28-2012, 12:59 PM
But even then, is having a difference of opinion boycott worthy? People are perfectly within their rights to do so, but is that really a proportionate response? If I were to open a taco truck and one time I mentioned to someone that I didn't agree with gay marriage, should everyone boycott Valandui's Taco Extravaganza?
What he said certainly isn't, but the fact that they've donated to organizations that oppose same-sex marriage is. I think him saying what he did is overshadowing that fact. It's their right as a company to donate money to these organizations (that admittedly do more than just that), and it's the right of same-sex marriage advocates to boycott the company. It's just far less effective if they do so based on what one person in the company has said rather than what the company has done as a whole.

Locke
07-28-2012, 01:16 PM
But even then, is having a difference of opinion boycott worthy? People are perfectly within their rights to do so, but is that really a proportionate response? If I were to open a taco truck and one time I mentioned to someone that I didn't agree with gay marriage, should everyone boycott Valandui's Taco Extravaganza?

It's not their stance on gay marriage, it's their donations to anti-gay Christian groups. For those of us who are vehemently for gay rights, it's a slap in our face knowing portions of our money go to a group actively campaigning against something we are passionate about. I hope no one thinks the issue is their stance. It might be for some people, but the vast majority of us know people who don't think gay marriage should be legal, but have no issues with them personally. When you start giving money to groups actively combating it, that's where the boycotts start...

Tetragrammaton
07-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Boycotts are a really loathsome thing. You boycott when a bus line won't let black people ride in the front, not when a company donates to groups opposing same-sex marriage. It is all so exhausting, anyway.

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 01:42 PM
It's not their stance on gay marriage, it's their donations to anti-gay Christian groups. For those of us who are vehemently for gay rights, it's a slap in our face knowing portions of our money go to a group actively campaigning against something we are passionate about. I hope no one thinks the issue is their stance. It might be for some people, but the vast majority of us know people who don't think gay marriage should be legal, but have no issues with them personally. When you start giving money to groups actively combating it, that's where the boycotts start...

Aren't most christian groups anti-gay???

I agree if you have a problem with them then boycott and protest. Mayors like Rahm are taking it too far though.

Tetragrammaton
07-28-2012, 01:52 PM
If boycotts against the company are long enough, they might let the CEO go. So what? He is filthy rich. If stores close or reduce employment, regular people suffer.

The battle over same-sex marriage was won back when a sitting President endorsed it. In twenty years it will be the law of the land. That probably isn't comforting to someone who wants to get married now, but the groups Chick-fil-a support are not going to stop it.

Gonzo
07-28-2012, 01:52 PM
Boycotts are a really loathsome thing. You boycott when a bus line won't let black people ride in the front, not when a company donates to groups opposing same-sex marriage. It is all so exhausting, anyway.

I don't see anything wrong with same-sex proponents, particularly homosexual's that have a direct interest in it, boycotting the company for their decision. Not all that exhausting, really. You just eat somewhere else. Usually they're surrounded by about 20 other cheap fast food restaurants to choose from.

Tetragrammaton
07-28-2012, 03:25 PM
I don't see anything wrong with same-sex proponents, particularly homosexual's that have a direct interest in it, boycotting the company for their decision. Not all that exhausting, really. You just eat somewhere else. Usually they're surrounded by about 20 other cheap fast food restaurants to choose from.

Chick-fil-a has been making those donations for years though. No one cared until the CEO said something they didn't like.

I look at it like a hot dog. I don't know what is in it, but it is delicious.

Valandui
07-28-2012, 04:21 PM
It's not their stance on gay marriage, it's their donations to anti-gay Christian groups. For those of us who are vehemently for gay rights, it's a slap in our face knowing portions of our money go to a group actively campaigning against something we are passionate about. I hope no one thinks the issue is their stance. It might be for some people, but the vast majority of us know people who don't think gay marriage should be legal, but have no issues with them personally. When you start giving money to groups actively combating it, that's where the boycotts start...
I really do get that. Like I said, they are perfectly within their rights to boycott and I understand the sentiment behind it. But these aren't single issue groups either. Groups like Focus on the Family do a lot of good things for people. I guess I'm really just arguing theoreticals here, though.

Gonzo
07-28-2012, 04:42 PM
Chick-fil-a has been making those donations for years though. No one cared until the CEO said something they didn't like.

I look at it like a hot dog. I don't know what is in it, but it is delicious.

And most would have remained unaware until the CEO pointed it out himself. As I stated before, I don't think it's a big deal. I won't be boycotting anything. If it were organizations that focused strictly on banning same-sex marriage, it would be a different story. That being said, I certainly couldn't blame anybody who is actively fighting for same-sex marriage saying, "I'm heading to the Five Guys next door instead."

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 05:03 PM
I really don't have a problem with the guy saying it, he's from the south, and there's going to be those types of feelings amongst quite a few, it's just the way it is. Almost playing to his base. It's his restaurant, if he wants to give his own opinion, he's certainly entitled to it. If he says something controversial though, there are going to be PR hits, especially in the hyper-media driven age we find ourselves in.

I don't like chicken, so I don't go to Chik-Fil-A, but if people who normally go there don't go there because of the views of the dude who runs the show, well, they're entitled to that too. Boycotts are as American as apple pie.

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-28-2012, 05:33 PM
Boycotts are a really loathsome thing. You boycott when a bus line won't let black people ride in the front, not when a company donates to groups opposing same-sex marriage. It is all so exhausting, anyway.

Really? That is complete BS. Boycotts are pure America capitalism in its purest loving form.

Plus it is really easy to NOT shop at Chick-Fil-A

CattailsrEdible
07-28-2012, 05:49 PM
Woot woot!!http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/425751c15e8b1384-1.jpg

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Gonzo
07-28-2012, 06:02 PM
Woot woot!!http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/425751c15e8b1384-1.jpg

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Is that one of the Toddlers and Tiaras moms?

Locke
07-28-2012, 08:01 PM
Woot woot!!http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/425751c15e8b1384-1.jpg

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It makes sense now. That shirt explains it, super tight and fruity colors. Does the rest of your church know you're still in the closet...?

Tetragrammaton
07-28-2012, 08:15 PM
Really? That is complete BS. Boycotts are pure America capitalism in its purest loving form.

Plus it is really easy to NOT shop at Chick-Fil-A

What does that have to do with my post?

SpurzN703
07-29-2012, 11:37 AM
What he said certainly isn't, but the fact that they've donated to organizations that oppose same-sex marriage is. I think him saying what he did is overshadowing that fact. It's their right as a company to donate money to these organizations (that admittedly do more than just that), and it's the right of same-sex marriage advocates to boycott the company. It's just far less effective if they do so based on what one person in the company has said rather than what the company has done as a whole.

Sounds more like a religion issue as opposed to being anti-gay. It's funny, I guarantee you the ones up in arms about homophobia are most likely religious (not all of course).

CashInFist
07-29-2012, 11:59 AM
It makes sense now. That shirt explains it, super tight and fruity colors. Does the rest of your church know you're still in the closet...?

Two words:

Sarah Pailin

tylerdolphin
07-29-2012, 12:41 PM
Two words:

Sarah Pailin

Two words:

Jar, Bunny.

phins_4_ever
07-29-2012, 01:02 PM
Two words:

Sarah Pailin

Three words: I do her.
(oops, I should go to the anything goes thread)

Gonzo
07-29-2012, 01:19 PM
Two words:

Sarah Pailin
Who?

CedarPhin
07-29-2012, 04:04 PM
Two words:

Jar, Bunny.
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/376238_490499024310791_1362112573_n-1.jpg

SpurzN703
07-29-2012, 07:06 PM
Three words: I do her.
(oops, I should go to the anything goes thread)

Well....yeah. A lot of us would

CANDolphan
07-30-2012, 03:07 AM
What a country we live in where Sarah Palin is considered a legitimate political force and people support her comments and decisions simply because it's easier to get news from Twitter and Fox News than it is to educate yourself and research backstory.

This whole thread has been a rollercoaster for me. First I was absolutely disgusted by KTownFinFan's ignorance then I was truly touched by the comments said by Locke and others. I like to think with education comes the ability to be tolerant towards those, but even today I see colleagues openly making the "Why can't I marry my dog?!" remarks in response. Basic knowledge answers that question, but it has to be treated AS a question in order to elicit the appropriate response, and not used as some type of hypothetical trump card.

DudeleBroski
07-30-2012, 04:33 AM
What a country we live in where Sarah Palin is considered a legitimate political force and people support her comments and decisions simply because it's easier to get news from Twitter and Fox News than it is to educate yourself and research backstory.

This whole thread has been a rollercoaster for me. First I was absolutely disgusted by KTownFinFan's ignorance then I was truly touched by the comments said by Locke and others. I like to think with education comes the ability to be tolerant towards those, but even today I see colleagues openly making the "Why can't I marry my dog?!" remarks in response. Basic knowledge answers that question, but it has to be treated AS a question in order to elicit the appropriate response, and not used as some type of hypothetical trump card.


It makes sense now. That shirt explains it, super tight and fruity colors. Does the rest of your church know you're still in the closet...?

Ok

JCane
07-30-2012, 04:46 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/chickfilaprotests-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/ChickFilAHatesFags-1.png

Gonzo
07-30-2012, 08:07 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/07/chickfilaprotests-1.jpg


For some reason, the hipster in the middle cracks me up. Looks completely lost.

rob19
07-30-2012, 11:13 AM
For some reason, the hipster in the middle cracks me up. Looks completely lost.

the one holding up the piece of paper as his protest sign?? :lol::lol:

SpurzN703
07-30-2012, 11:44 AM
I love the dopey kid in the photo. Does he even know what he's 'protesting'?

Locke
07-30-2012, 01:09 PM
Ok

Someone who hates a group of people that much for no reason? I was simply pointing out that the reason was pretty obvious to those who know what they're looking at...

NY8123
07-30-2012, 01:52 PM
I love the dopey kid in the photo. Does he even know what he's 'protesting'?

Apparently something to do with a "Hat" and "Homoz". I have no idea what hats and homoz have to do with chicken but weirder **** has happened I guess.


Ohhhh wait now I get the lil' feller gives away free hats to homosexual people hence the saying "We hat Homoz".

SpurzN703
07-30-2012, 02:18 PM
Apparently something to do with a "Hat" and "Homoz". I have no idea what hats and homoz have to do with chicken but weirder **** has happened I guess.


Ohhhh wait now I get the lil' feller gives away free hats to homosexual people hence the saying "We hat Homoz".

Who knew that thinking traditional marriage should only be between a man/woman meant you hated all gays (and from a 12 year old too)?

NY8123
07-30-2012, 02:22 PM
Who knew that thinking traditional marriage should only be between a man/woman meant you hated all gays (and from a 12 year old too)?


Well maybe if the lil' feller was in scool learnin' sum goo engwish he'd know that if wanted to "hate" something he should put a "e" on the end of hat and then hold the damn sign up.

CANDolphan
07-30-2012, 03:12 PM
Ok

Yeah whoops, I guess I misremembered his name as I went through the whole thread.

Whoever posted about being incredibly devout to his religion but then went on to saying how he would feel if his children came out as homosexual, and defended some of the greatest people he knew socially as homosexuals. Those comments were fantastic.

CANDolphan
07-30-2012, 03:17 PM
Who knew that thinking traditional marriage should only be between a man/woman meant you hated all gays (and from a 12 year old too)?

"Whoa whoa I'm not a racist, I merely support traditional work agreements!"

You're placing the rights of those who are homosexual below the rights of those who are heterosexual. That's pretty much exactly what it says. By being cute and pretending you are just supporting ONE party and not discriminating against ANOTHER group is dishonest at best, because you're not being truthful.

I get it. I used to think the whole thing was incredibly weird. I still get super uncomfortable when I see a transsexual person or cross dresser. That's my issue. I wasn't raised in a household where those types were the norm. But you know what? I recognize that I grew up in a different time. With parents who grew up with a different time. Hating on them and wishing they would go away is exactly the problem. There are millions of people who were super uncomfortable with the fact that blacks were being integrated to their school. They don't HATE the black guys and girls, they just are more comfortable with white people around them.

I know I harped on that analogy but it's dead on accurate.

Locke
07-30-2012, 04:14 PM
Yeah whoops, I guess I misremembered his name as I went through the whole thread.

Whoever posted about being incredibly devout to his religion but then went on to saying how he would feel if his children came out as homosexual, and defended some of the greatest people he knew socially as homosexuals. Those comments were fantastic.

I'm not the religious one, but that was me who said some of the greatest people I know are homosexuals. I guess calling a spade a spade gets me accused of not being a decent person by some people. Meh, to each his own I suppose...

CedarPhin
07-30-2012, 07:42 PM
Apparently something to do with a "Hat" and "Homoz". I have no idea what hats and homoz have to do with chicken but weirder **** has happened I guess.


Ohhhh wait now I get the lil' feller gives away free hats to homosexual people hence the saying "We hat Homoz".

Sounds like he's one mad hatter!

LouPhinFan
07-30-2012, 10:48 PM
I went to Chick-Fil-A tonight and had a milkshake.

CANDolphan
07-30-2012, 11:14 PM
Careful dude if Chik Fil A gets wind that you love swallow a white creamy substance they might start pegging you with Polynesian sauce

Tetragrammaton
07-30-2012, 11:18 PM
The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect – regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 Restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators. Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.

Chick-fil-A is a family-owned and family-led company serving the communities in which it operates. From the day Truett Cathy started the company, he began applying biblically-based principles to managing his business. For example, we believe that closing on Sundays, operating debt-free and devoting a percentage of our profits back to our communities are what make us a stronger company and Chick-fil-A family.

Our mission is simple: to serve great food, provide genuine hospitality and have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.

And they said this on the 19th. What else do people want?

tylerdolphin
07-31-2012, 01:53 AM
I went to Chick-Fil-A tonight and had a milkshake.

Cookies and Cream shake is orgasmic

Valandui
07-31-2012, 02:56 AM
And they said this on the 19th. What else do people want?

Don't let them fool you. They are the face of evil.

WVDolphan
07-31-2012, 02:57 AM
And they said this on the 19th. What else do people want?

Well, apparently a lot of gay people want to get married without folks like those who run Chick Fil A telling them they shouldnt be allowed to.

tylerdolphin
07-31-2012, 03:03 AM
Don't let them fool you. They are the face of evil.

Id buy from them if their profits went directly into killing gays I think.

rob19
07-31-2012, 03:16 AM
And they said this on the 19th. What else do people want?

I don't think an insincere apology is going to quell the anger of those who were initially outraged. To me this is simple, either you eat there or you don't. You don't need to protest in the street with signs, silently protest by not going. Let the free market decide; if enough people are offended & choose not to go there than that will be their punishment.

Here's what I've been thinking about though, since marriage isn't exclusively a Christian thing, i.e Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, Shamans, etc & so forth, all get married, and is in fact a legal matter rather than a religious one, shouldn't there be some separation between church and state here? Does a gay person have less legal rights than their hetero counterparts? It would seem that way. Personally I don't quite understand the fear of gay marriage, & in all likelihood those who are anti-gay marriage will probably end up on the wrong side of history on the matter.

Valandui
07-31-2012, 03:50 AM
I don't think an insincere apology is going to quell the anger of those who were initially outraged. To me this is simple, either you eat there or you don't. You don't need to protest in the street with signs, silently protest by not going. Let the free market decide; if enough people are offended & choose not to go there than that will be their punishment.

Here's what I've been thinking about though, since marriage isn't exclusively a Christian thing, i.e Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, Shamans, etc & so forth, all get married, and is in fact a legal matter rather than a religious one, shouldn't there be some separation between church and state here? Does a gay person have less legal rights than their hetero counterparts? It would seem that way. Personally I don't quite understand the fear of gay marriage, & in all likelihood those who are anti-gay marriage will probably end up on the wrong side of history on the matter.

In all honesty, I don't feel that the government should be involved in marriage at all. That's why I oppose a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The federal government has no jurisdiction in marriage right now and it should stay that way.

Valandui
07-31-2012, 05:27 AM
In all honesty, I don't feel that the government should be involved in marriage at all. That's why I oppose a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The federal government has no jurisdiction in marriage right now and it should stay that way.

I feel like I should clarify by saying that I feel like marriage is a symbolic thing, kind of like baptism. The government really has no business being involved in it.

LouPhinFan
07-31-2012, 06:33 AM
Cookies and Cream shake is orgasmic

That's the one I had. It was pretty good, right up there with Zaxby's shakes as far as fast food places go. Speaking of Zaxby's, that's another good chicken franchise.

phins_4_ever
07-31-2012, 09:46 AM
Cookies and Cream shake is orgasmic

Wow. Any guy having a cookie and cream shake is a little gay. :lol:

And any organization selling cookie and cream shakes can not be anti-gay. :hump:

Gonzo
07-31-2012, 11:07 AM
In all honesty, I don't feel that the government should be involved in marriage at all. That's why I oppose a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The federal government has no jurisdiction in marriage right now and it should stay that way.

I agree, but so long as marriage and/or civil unions "earn" people certain privileges (tax breaks, visitation rights, etc.), the government has a role. I have zero problem with a church refusing to marry a gay couple because of the church's views, however, not all churches feel that way. So not only are gay couples denied certain governmental benefits, the churches that are willing to marry gay couples are denied their right to do so.

Chick-fil-a doesn't have anything really to do with this of course.

Spesh
07-31-2012, 12:36 PM
That's the one I had. It was pretty good, right up there with Zaxby's shakes as far as fast food places go. Speaking of Zaxby's, that's another good chicken franchise.

Zaxby's could be using their profits to directly finance the construction of nuclear weapons with the intention of wiping humanity off the face of the earth and id probably still shop there. Their hot wing meals are outstanding.

As for chicken places, i have a Guthries within eye sight of my apartment. Brilliant for hangovers.

SpurzN703
07-31-2012, 12:39 PM
Well maybe if the lil' feller was in scool learnin' sum goo engwish he'd know that if wanted to "hate" something he should put a "e" on the end of hat and then hold the damn sign up.

You do know he/they spelled it that way b/c that's how Chik-Fil-A mockingly spells **** in their ads right? Look at the sign on the far right of the photo JCane has up. That's their marketing style.

SpurzN703
07-31-2012, 12:41 PM
"Whoa whoa I'm not a racist, I merely support traditional work agreements!"

You're placing the rights of those who are homosexual below the rights of those who are heterosexual. That's pretty much exactly what it says. By being cute and pretending you are just supporting ONE party and not discriminating against ANOTHER group is dishonest at best, because you're not being truthful.

I get it. I used to think the whole thing was incredibly weird. I still get super uncomfortable when I see a transsexual person or cross dresser. That's my issue. I wasn't raised in a household where those types were the norm. But you know what? I recognize that I grew up in a different time. With parents who grew up with a different time. Hating on them and wishing they would go away is exactly the problem. There are millions of people who were super uncomfortable with the fact that blacks were being integrated to their school. They don't HATE the black guys and girls, they just are more comfortable with white people around them.

I know I harped on that analogy but it's dead on accurate.

When I said you I just meant people in general. I believe it's entirely reasonable to have absolutely no issue with homosexuality and still not be accepting of them getting married. That's when religion steps into the fold and ****s it all up.

I'm all for anyone getting married. It doesn't bother or affect me in any way.

SpurzN703
07-31-2012, 12:44 PM
I don't think an insincere apology is going to quell the anger of those who were initially outraged. To me this is simple, either you eat there or you don't. You don't need to protest in the street with signs, silently protest by not going. Let the free market decide; if enough people are offended & choose not to go there than that will be their punishment.

Here's what I've been thinking about though, since marriage isn't exclusively a Christian thing, i.e Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, Shamans, etc & so forth, all get married, and is in fact a legal matter rather than a religious one, shouldn't there be some separation between church and state here? Does a gay person have less legal rights than their hetero counterparts? It would seem that way. Personally I don't quite understand the fear of gay marriage, & in all likelihood those who are anti-gay marriage will probably end up on the wrong side of history on the matter.

There's no need to apologize. If the CEO doesn't believe in gay marriage then that's his right. What would an apology even accomplish?

tylerdolphin
07-31-2012, 12:55 PM
Wow. Any guy having a cookie and cream shake is a little gay. :lol:

And any organization selling cookie and cream shakes can not be anti-gay. :hump:

You clearly havent tried CFA's. God-tier shake.

And I think its a little ridiculous to call me out on being gay over a milkshake when we have much better targets here. ****, we have a poster whos avatar is him drinking an appletini :lol:.

NY8123
07-31-2012, 01:07 PM
You clearly havent tried CFA's. God-tier shake.

And I think its a little ridiculous to call me out on being gay over a milkshake when we have much better targets here. ****, we have a poster whos avatar is him drinking an appletini :lol:.

If it's got alcohol in it I'll drink it. I don't give a ****. Drunks be drunks!

CashInFist
07-31-2012, 01:08 PM
If it's got alcohol in it I'll drink it. I don't give a ****. Drunks be drunks!

I'll drink to that.

Gonzo
07-31-2012, 01:19 PM
I'll drink to that.

This may be something we all agree on! PoFo first?

tylerdolphin
07-31-2012, 01:20 PM
If it's got alcohol in it I'll drink it. I don't give a ****. Drunks be drunks!

Ill drink damn near anything that doesnt have gin in it.

Gin is the crap tier of alcohol.

cdz12250
07-31-2012, 01:27 PM
This is coming from a liberal Democrat:

It's private enterprise. Until the company violates an anti-discrimination statute or ordinance, whoever owns the business gets to believe whatever he wants, and act on it by setting policy such as closing on Sundays or thinking same-sex marriage is a bad idea. The guy can believe whatever he wants, and he can open his mouth about it. It's freedom of speech.

Of course, if he insults someone by opening his mouth, those insulted are just as free not to deal with the company. It's freedom of association.

Where it gets hairy is public officials deciding that a public entity will not deal with the company based on a belief or opinion the company expresses that is not illegal. It's political grandstanding.

Valandui
07-31-2012, 05:59 PM
Ill drink damn near anything that doesnt have gin in it.

Gin is the crap tier of alcohol.

Try some Bombay Sapphire and get back to me.

KTOWNFINFAN
08-01-2012, 07:21 PM
This is coming from a liberal Democrat:

It's private enterprise. Until the company violates an anti-discrimination statute or ordinance, whoever owns the business gets to believe whatever he wants, and act on it by setting policy such as closing on Sundays or thinking same-sex marriage is a bad idea. The guy can believe whatever he wants, and he can open his mouth about it. It's freedom of speech.

Of course, if he insults someone by opening his mouth, those insulted are just as free not to deal with the company. It's freedom of association.

Where it gets hairy is public officials deciding that a public entity will not deal with the company based on a belief or opinion the company expresses that is not illegal. It's political grandstanding.

NO!!!!! It's not political grandstanding, it's DISCRIMINATION, by a bunch of intolerant bigots. If Mr. Cathy is told to leave certain cities or college campuses because of his beliefs it is no different than if he was being told to leave because of his skin color. Thankfully Chick-fil-a's sales have skyrocketed since this incident because of the good people of this great nation. But that doesn't excuse the discrimination that has been brought against this good man. Charges should be filed against any college that has asked Chick-fil-a to leave.

COphinphan89
08-01-2012, 08:18 PM
This has all been blown so far out of proportion.

I live in Colorado Springs which is a de facto conservative capital of the USA. I'm a libertarian so I kind of just have to co-exist and blend in with a bunch of Santorum-types. I was the only person at work today who didn't go to Chick-fil-a today, and not because I'm boycotting either. I eat lunch there all the time mainly because my boss's daughter works there so I go with him. That and I love the chicken-minis on their breakfast menu. I've always known all about who runs that chain and why it's not open on Sundays. There were lines wrapped around the buildings here today with people waiting in line for hours just so they could pay for an overpriced sandwich.

Deciding where and where not to eat based on politics is one of the most retarded notions I've ever heard of. I think the boycotts are stupid and I support gay marriage, and I also think "yay! we oppose gay marriage too so let's all eat at this restaurant" is dumb too.

The owner's of Chipotle, Jimmy John's, and Subway could all come out as neo-Nazis tomorrow and I wouldn't give a **** because I love their food so much. And if Casa Bonita proclaimed itself a libertarian restaurant, I still wouldn't eat there because it's too long a drive and their food ****ing sucks. Make something I like and I'll buy it and **** your politics.

So I am now going to proclaim my neutrality by waiting until this whole media-generated ****storm blows over and America's notoriously short attention spans all shift to the next big story, and then I'll eat at Chick-fil-a again.

Valandui
08-01-2012, 10:20 PM
This has all been blown so far out of proportion.

I live in Colorado Springs which is a de facto conservative capital of the USA. I'm a libertarian so I kind of just have to co-exist and blend in with a bunch of Santorum-types. I was the only person at work today who didn't go to Chick-fil-a today, and not because I'm boycotting either. I eat lunch there all the time mainly because my boss's daughter works there and I love the chicken-minis on their breakfast menu. I've always known all about who runs that chain and why it's not open on Sundays. There were lines wrapped around the buildings here today with people waiting in line for hours just so they could pay for an overpriced sandwich.

Deciding where and where not to eat based on politics is one of the most retarded notions I've ever heard of. I think the boycotts are stupid and I support gay marriage, and I also think "yay! we oppose gay marriage too so let's all eat at this restaurant" is dumb too.

The owner's of Chipotle, Jimmy John's, and Subway could all come out as neo-Nazis tomorrow and I wouldn't give a **** because I love their food so much. And if Casa Bonita proclaimed itself a libertarian restaurant, I still wouldn't eat there because it's too long a drive and their food ****ing sucks. Make something I like and I'll buy it and **** your politics.

So I am now going to proclaim my neutrality by waiting until this whole media-generated ****storm blows over and America's notoriously short attention spans all shift to the next big story, and then I'll eat at Chick-fil-a again.
So, am I to imply that you're trying to hook up with your boss' daughter from your statment?

COphinphan89
08-01-2012, 10:26 PM
So, am I to imply that you're trying to hook up with your boss' daughter from your statment?

:lol: No. I mean he goes there so I usually go with him. She's a good bit young for me.

Valandui
08-01-2012, 10:31 PM
:lol: No. I mean he goes there so I usually go with him. She's a good bit young for me.

So it's not a Luke Wilson in Old School type situation?

COphinphan89
08-01-2012, 10:37 PM
So it's not a Luke Wilson in Old School type situation?
Oh Christ that would suck. Thank you for pointing that out though. I edited that post to clear that up.

Dolphins9954
08-01-2012, 11:17 PM
Jesus Christ Chic-Fil-A was a madhouse today. What was it "God hates knob gobblers" day??

JCane
08-01-2012, 11:31 PM
Jesus Christ Chic-Fil-A was a madhouse today. What was it "God hates knob gobblers" day??

Chick-Fil-A was slammed all over the country. I drove by the one just outside my front door tonight around 9:00PM. You could hardly get into the parking lot.

Some Chick-Fil-A spots had to shutdown early because they were out of food.

After seeing this nonsense today with my own two fully-functioning eyeballs, there's no doubt in my mind that the biggest hate group in the country is the Christian community. What a sad sight it was to behold this evening. Nothing more than a bunch of hate mongers camouflaging their hate for other people behind the walls of an "Appreciation Day."

The people who showed up at Chick-Fil-A today and placed an order did so out of hate for the gay community and not for the support of traditional marriage. These people should be thankful that no God exists to smite their hate-filled hearts.

What a bunch of frauds.

Locke
08-01-2012, 11:33 PM
Chick-Fil-A was slammed all over the country. I drove by the one just outside my front door tonight around 9:00PM. You could hardly get into the parking lot.

Some Chick-Fil-A spots had to shutdown early because they were out of food.

After seeing this nonsense today with my own two fully-functioning eyeballs, there's no doubt in my mind that the biggest hate group in the country is the Christian community. What a sad sight it was to behold this evening. Nothing more than a bunch of hate mongers camouflaging their hate for other people behind the walls of an "Appreciation Day."

The people who showed up at Chick-Fil-A today and placed an order did so out of hate for the gay community and not for the support of traditional marriage. These people should be thankful that no God exists to smite their hate-filled hearts.

What a bunch of frauds.

Was today the day they were giving away free chicken sandwiches...?

JCane
08-01-2012, 11:41 PM
Was today the day they were giving away free chicken sandwiches...?

This I didn't hear.

HAT MOR HOMOZ

Valandui
08-01-2012, 11:46 PM
Chick-Fil-A was slammed all over the country. I drove by the one just outside my front door tonight around 9:00PM. You could hardly get into the parking lot.

Some Chick-Fil-A spots had to shutdown early because they were out of food.

After seeing this nonsense today with my own two fully-functioning eyeballs, there's no doubt in my mind that the biggest hate group in the country is the Christian community. What a sad sight it was to behold this evening. Nothing more than a bunch of hate mongers camouflaging their hate for other people behind the walls of an "Appreciation Day."

The people who showed up at Chick-Fil-A today and placed an order did so out of hate for the gay community and not for the support of traditional marriage. These people should be thankful that no God exists to smite their hate-filled hearts.

What a bunch of frauds.
That was rantastic, J.

JCane
08-01-2012, 11:54 PM
That was rantastic, J.

I'm a carefree guy. Most things don't bother me.

I understand that people have their beliefs, etc.

But seeing Chick-Fil-A packed to the walls tonight just rubbed me the wrong way. It was disgusting to know and understand why those people were there.

And I'm a guy who likes Chick-Fil-A and enjoys Chick-Fil-A a couple of times a month.

But I just think that we as a society should be able to grow and evolve beyond sillyness such as this. We should be able to let others live THEIR life as THEY please and we should worry about what WE do with OUR own life.

For those that are heavily opposed to gay marriage, I ask you, are you so well off in your life that you have time to attempt to prevent others from living theirs and doing what they want to do? Have you reached the pinnacle of your career? Have you achieved financial independence? Do your children have the best that you can offer them? Do you live in an affluent neighborhood? Do you have everything that you've ever wanted and achieved everything that you've ever desired to achieve?

If you answered no to any of these, why do you have time to impose on another individual's free will? Why is ok for YOU to be able to tell someone that they can't be married to someone that they love?

Who are YOU to decide these matters? Go live your own life and leave others alone.

CANDolphan
08-01-2012, 11:54 PM
NO!!!!! It's not political grandstanding, it's DISCRIMINATION, by a bunch of intolerant bigots. If Mr. Cathy is told to leave certain cities or college campuses because of his beliefs it is no different than if he was being told to leave because of his skin color. Thankfully Chick-fil-a's sales have skyrocketed since this incident because of the good people of this great nation. But that doesn't excuse the discrimination that has been brought against this good man. Charges should be filed against any college that has asked Chick-fil-a to leave.

Wait so you're entirely opposed to discrimination as long as it only has an affect on "the gays", right? Do you genuinely not see what words are coming out of your mouth? The sheer hypocrisy of your statements? It's disgusting. You're constantly blaming OTHERS (wrongfully) for things that you actually do. You're a bigot. You're a discriminator. You feel that your rights are more important that the rights of others simply based on your SEXUAL PREFERENCE. How do you not understand that? Ignore religion for a hot second (like most in your position do, only picking the instances that support your beliefs and ignoring the passages of the bible that just don't mesh up with the good ol boy lifestyle) and see it logically.

And what charges are we filing against the universities, exactly? Why is it the loudest typically know the least about the law...

JCane
08-01-2012, 11:59 PM
LOL. KTOWN is from the unwashed, unwaxed butthole of the deep South.

Shocking that he has this kind of view.

He definitely ate TWO homophobe sandwiches from Chick-Fil-A this afternoon.

Probably filled out an application as well.

Locke
08-02-2012, 12:01 AM
I'm a carefree guy. Most things don't bother me.

I understand that people have their beliefs, etc.

But seeing Chick-Fil-A packed to the walls tonight just rubbed me the wrong way. It was disgusting to know and understand why those people were there.

And I'm a guy who likes Chick-Fil-A and enjoys Chick-Fil-A a couple of times a month.

But I just think that we as a society should be able to grow and evolve beyond sillyness such as this. We should be able to let others live THEIR life as THEY please and we should worry about what WE do with OUR own life.

For those that are heavily opposed to gay marriage, I ask you, are you so well off in your life that you have time to attempt to prevent others from living theirs and doing what they want to do? Have you reached the pinnacle of your career? Have you achieved financial independence? Do your children have the best that you can offer them? Do you live in an affluent neighborhood? Do you have everything that you've ever wanted and achieved everything that you've ever desired to achieve?

If you answered no to any of these, why do you have time to impose on another individual's free will? Why is ok for YOU to be able to tell someone that they can't be married to someone that they love?

Who are YOU to decide these matters? Go live your own life and leave others alone.

Boom. Roasted...

Locke
08-02-2012, 12:03 AM
Wait so you're entirely opposed to discrimination as long as it only has an affect on "the gays", right? Do you genuinely not see what words are coming out of your mouth? The sheer hypocrisy of your statements? It's disgusting. You're constantly blaming OTHERS (wrongfully) for things that you actually do. You're a bigot. You're a discriminator. You feel that your rights are more important that the rights of others simply based on your SEXUAL PREFERENCE. How do you not understand that? Ignore religion for a hot second (like most in your position do, only picking the instances that support your beliefs and ignoring the passages of the bible that just don't mesh up with the good ol boy lifestyle) and see it logically.

And what charges are we filing against the universities, exactly? Why is it the loudest typically know the least about the law...

You're arguing with a psychopath. You'd make more headway convincing Israel and Palestine to stop arguing...

JCane
08-02-2012, 12:16 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/tumblr_lj945mQPPc1qhflico1_400-1.gif

Valandui
08-02-2012, 12:45 AM
Dude, you responded with another rant to my post basically just saying "nice rant". I'm not arguing with you.

JCane
08-02-2012, 12:46 AM
Dude, you responded with another rant to my post basically just saying "nice rant". I'm not arguing with you.

I know. That rant wasn't directed at you.

And now most of you understand why I keep my ass out of the political forum.

:lol:

Valandui
08-02-2012, 12:51 AM
You're arguing with a psychopath. You'd make more headway convincing Israel and Palestine to stop arguing...

In all fairness, I do feel like Cathy is being descriminated against for having a different point of view and not based on any of his actions other than answering a question honestly. Homeboy is definitely going overboard with this stuff, though.

WVDolphan
08-02-2012, 02:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ephh9J5BWQ

Funky Fin
08-02-2012, 03:03 AM
My chicken sandwich was so awesome yesterday that I had to go back today for more.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/TakeThat-1.jpg

COphinphan89
08-02-2012, 05:52 AM
Chick-Fil-A was slammed all over the country. I drove by the one just outside my front door tonight around 9:00PM. You could hardly get into the parking lot.

Some Chick-Fil-A spots had to shutdown early because they were out of food.

After seeing this nonsense today with my own two fully-functioning eyeballs, there's no doubt in my mind that the biggest hate group in the country is the Christian community. What a sad sight it was to behold this evening. Nothing more than a bunch of hate mongers camouflaging their hate for other people behind the walls of an "Appreciation Day."

The people who showed up at Chick-Fil-A today and placed an order did so out of hate for the gay community and not for the support of traditional marriage. These people should be thankful that no God exists to smite their hate-filled hearts.

What a bunch of frauds.

What really irritates me is when they hide behind arguments like "protecting family values/traditional marriage" when everyone and their grandmother knows goddamn well the real reason why they oppose same-sex marriage. I would have more respect for these people if they would just come out and say it's based on religion. It just baffles me how people can proclaim all day long that they don't want the government to unnecessarily meddle in the affairs of private citizens and then turn right around and support exactly what they claim to hate if someone wants to marry someone they don't approve of. It seems like some people's definition of freedom is making sure the sinners can't sin.

They pretend that allowing gays to marry will destroy marriage altogether when heterosexual couples are the ones with a 50% divorce rate.

Dolphins9954
08-02-2012, 08:46 AM
The whole thing has gone full retard.


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/retardkid_o_157311-1.jpg

SpurzN703
08-02-2012, 12:08 PM
The people who showed up at Chick-Fil-A today and placed an order did so out of hate for the gay community and not for the support of traditional marriage. These people should be thankful that no God exists to smite their hate-filled hearts.

Aren't the majority of folks who don't support gay marriage doing so b/c it isn't God's apparent natural plan or whatever?

Perfect23
08-02-2012, 06:25 PM
Although I support Gay marriage I think it's pretty immature and childish to not let Chick fil-a in Boston San Fran and Chicago and other cities that may join those cities.

Locke
08-02-2012, 07:01 PM
Although I support Gay marriage I think it's pretty immature and childish to not let Chick fil-a in Boston San Fran and Chicago and other cities that may join those cities.

It's political grand standing. There's no legal way to keep these businesses from the city. Universities are a different matter, and they'll probably lose some business there...

Valandui
08-02-2012, 07:09 PM
It's political grand standing. There's no legal way to keep these businesses from the city. Universities are a different matter, and they'll probably lose some business there...
That depends too. A public university would be bound by the same rules. In theory, at least.

CANDolphan
08-02-2012, 07:43 PM
In all fairness, I do feel like Cathy is being descriminated against for having a different point of view and not based on any of his actions other than answering a question honestly. Homeboy is definitely going overboard with this stuff, though.

Why is it most people are saying this? The main issue is the fact that Chik Fil A gives millions every year towards anti-gay support organizations.

---------- Post added at 07:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 PM ----------


Although I support Gay marriage I think it's pretty immature and childish to not let Chick fil-a in Boston San Fran and Chicago and other cities that may join those cities.

It was a flat out ridiculous thing for those mayors to say. It was grandstanding at its best. Anyone who is a mayor understands the law well enough to understand that they have no legal right to keep these places from their cities. Not a single one.

The universities have an argument. But, as stated, not the public universities or any university receiving public funding. It's basic stuff.

Valandui
08-02-2012, 08:21 PM
Why is it most people are saying this? The main issue is the fact that Chik Fil A gives millions every year towards anti-gay support organizations.

---------- Post added at 07:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 PM ----------



It was a flat out ridiculous thing for those mayors to say. It was grandstanding at its best. Anyone who is a mayor understands the law well enough to understand that they have no legal right to keep these places from their cities. Not a single one.

The universities have an argument. But, as stated, not the public universities or any university receiving public funding. It's basic stuff.
Last time I checked, Focus on the Family wasn't an anti-gay support group. That may be one of their issues, but they do a lot of other stuff. It's not like he donated to anti-gay mobs. It's really no different than anyone giving money to Planned Parenthood or the like. He's a private individual donating money to a group. It's really not worth protesting or boycotting over, but people are free to do what they want in that regard. If he were refusing to hire or serve gays or force them to eat in a special room or something, that would be one thing.

CANDolphan
08-02-2012, 09:08 PM
Again, you're misunderstanding or misinterpreting that facts.

CHIK FIL A is donating to these groups. Not him. That's the reason for the boycott of the restaurant. And it's GROUPS. Plural. Not just focus on the family (which became famous after the Tebow ad)



WinShape Gave Over $1.9 Million To Anti-Gay Groups. In 2010, WinShape donated $1,974,380 to a number of anti-gay groups:


Marriage & Family Foundation: $1,188,380
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes: $480,000
National Christian Foundation: $247,500
New Mexico Christian Foundation: $54,000
Exodus International: $1,000
Family Research Council: $1,000
Georgia Family Council: $2,500



WinShape is Chik Fil A's charitable arm. Focus On The Family is a decent organization, but they truly are discriminatory towards homosexuals and gay marriage. That's the point. It's similar to you telling me to relax on the Catholic Church... raping little boys is only a fraction of the good they do. Bad is bad, no matter how diluted it is.

I think if more people were educated on the subject, the quicker their opinions would change. A guy in my office today started talking about the whole situation and was disgusted how the company is being blamed. When I told him the information above, he said he didn't think it was accurate, and wondered where I got my sources. I showed him on my phone and he honestly said "Wow well I guess that changes everything."

Victory!

Dolphins9954
08-02-2012, 09:15 PM
I'm boycotting and protesting Chic-Fil-A as of right now. Anyone that wants to join me can call my I-Phone at 1-800-built-by-chinese-slaves.

Valandui
08-02-2012, 09:31 PM
Again, you're misunderstanding or misinterpreting that facts.

CHIK FIL A is donating to these groups. Not him. That's the reason for the boycott of the restaurant. And it's GROUPS. Plural. Not just focus on the family (which became famous after the Tebow ad)



WinShape is Chik Fil A's charitable arm. Focus On The Family is a decent organization, but they truly are discriminatory towards homosexuals and gay marriage. That's the point. It's similar to you telling me to relax on the Catholic Church... raping little boys is only a fraction of the good they do. Bad is bad, no matter how diluted it is.

I think if more people were educated on the subject, the quicker their opinions would change. A guy in my office today started talking about the whole situation and was disgusted how the company is being blamed. When I told him the information above, he said he didn't think it was accurate, and wondered where I got my sources. I showed him on my phone and he honestly said "Wow well I guess that changes everything."

Victory!
I guess it depends on your point of view on the issue then, which is what I said from the start. None of those groups are single issue groups. Interpretation of that is in the eye of the beholder. Someone who's against gay marriage might consider a group like GLAAD an anti-straight hate group.

CedarPhin
08-02-2012, 10:00 PM
Ron Paul gets cast in with the Stromfront idiots all of the time, because they're big supporters of his, ditto for the Birchers.

I'm not a fan of any of the Moral Majority charities, but it's not like they advertise "Let's go have target practice on heauxmeauxs", even if that's what they'd prefer happen. The anti-heauxmeaux crowd is just another category of the umbrella those charities encompass. You've still got the creationist pushing, anti-abortion, anti-pr0n, Tipper Gore/Jerry Falwell types.

They just represent a twisted, medieval view on contemporary society.

However, just because Chik-Fil-A donates to them doesn't mean that CFA is explicitly endorsing an anti-heauxmeaux agenda. They're a southern company giving truckloads of cash to a religious organization, color me shocked. It doesn't make them look good, but it's certainly not damning, either.

SpurzN703
08-03-2012, 10:19 AM
What do anti-gay groups do anyway? Attempt to brainwash people into thinking being gay is wrong and you shouldn't support it?

Anyone who even thinks about joining or being a part of an anti-anything group needs to have their heads examined anyway.

CANDolphan
08-03-2012, 02:37 PM
I guess it depends on your point of view on the issue then, which is what I said from the start. None of those groups are single issue groups. Interpretation of that is in the eye of the beholder. Someone who's against gay marriage might consider a group like GLAAD an anti-straight hate group.

That's a logical fallacy, to be blunt. But before we get into that, you've kinda glossed over the idea that this isn't Chik Fil A's problem. Do you understand now that you were wrong in saying it was one man and his donations, when in fact it was the corporation donating money to the *many* groups?

Back to the logical fallacy. It isn't a reciprocal relationship. The mission of the "traditional marriage" groups is simple - Promote opposite sex marriages and oppose any marriage that involves same sex couples. GLAAD is fighting for same-sex marriage equality. They do nothing negative towards "straight groups". Saying it's a matter of interpretation is laziness.

Tell me, is February's Black History month a slant to white people? Do you think freedom marches were racist towards whites? Do you feel slighted that there are no "straight pride" parades?

I'm genuinely starting to think you're not familiar with the groups you're defending here, and especially not familiar with GLAAD. I understand the point you're trying to make but you're simply doing so with lack of information (either not known or flat out ignoring). The issue is with actions. On the face, yes, you have a point and your analogy is a good one, but we live in a world of gray, a world where actions are louder than words, and no matter what those groups claim in their mission statement, they are anti-homosexual and anti-same sex marriage. Anyone arguing otherwise is fooling themselves so they can pat themselves on the back for being a bigot. It's plain and simple.

CANDolphan
08-03-2012, 02:40 PM
Ron Paul gets cast in with the Stromfront idiots all of the time, because they're big supporters of his, ditto for the Birchers.

I'm not a fan of any of the Moral Majority charities, but it's not like they advertise "Let's go have target practice on heauxmeauxs", even if that's what they'd prefer happen. The anti-heauxmeaux crowd is just another category of the umbrella those charities encompass. You've still got the creationist pushing, anti-abortion, anti-pr0n, Tipper Gore/Jerry Falwell types.

They just represent a twisted, medieval view on contemporary society.

However, just because Chik-Fil-A donates to them doesn't mean that CFA is explicitly endorsing an anti-heauxmeaux agenda. They're a southern company giving truckloads of cash to a religious organization, color me shocked. It doesn't make them look good, but it's certainly not damning, either.

So you feel that the CEO, who not only created the charitable corporate wing of Chik Fil A, but is also the head of the group (board) responsible for the placement of their donations which are made from profits earned by the Chik Fil A store, along with the CEO himself letting his true opinion be heard... that doesn't add up to them being supportive of the anti-homosexual agenda? At the very least, I'd call that a "preponderance of the evidence" (moreso than not) that they are supportive of the anti-gay movement. I just don't see how you can say otherwise.

You yourself just said while they do not "endorse" a certain behavior (blatant discrimination against gays) they simply do not stop it. I disagree. There is absolutely a silent "handshake" type of situation with these " charities" and their desire for same-sex marriages to be abolished.

Valandui
08-03-2012, 05:37 PM
That's a logical fallacy, to be blunt. But before we get into that, you've kinda glossed over the idea that this isn't Chik Fil A's problem. Do you understand now that you were wrong in saying it was one man and his donations, when in fact it was the corporation donating money to the *many* groups?

Back to the logical fallacy. It isn't a reciprocal relationship. The mission of the "traditional marriage" groups is simple - Promote opposite sex marriages and oppose any marriage that involves same sex couples. GLAAD is fighting for same-sex marriage equality. They do nothing negative towards "straight groups". Saying it's a matter of interpretation is laziness.

Tell me, is February's Black History month a slant to white people? Do you think freedom marches were racist towards whites? Do you feel slighted that there are no "straight pride" parades?

I'm genuinely starting to think you're not familiar with the groups you're defending here, and especially not familiar with GLAAD. I understand the point you're trying to make but you're simply doing so with lack of information (either not known or flat out ignoring). The issue is with actions. On the face, yes, you have a point and your analogy is a good one, but we live in a world of gray, a world where actions are louder than words, and no matter what those groups claim in their mission statement, they are anti-homosexual and anti-same sex marriage. Anyone arguing otherwise is fooling themselves so they can pat themselves on the back for being a bigot. It's plain and simple.
Actually, I feel that Black History Month is more of a slight against black people than anything. You take the shortest month of the year and dedicate it like that instead of just covering stuff equally the rest of the time.

Dolphins9954
08-03-2012, 07:49 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/552056_503269509702507_2006242783_n-1.jpg

Dolphins9954
08-03-2012, 08:02 PM
The overwhelming majority of "Christian" organizations are anti-gay. It comes with the terrority you know fire and brimstone for butt-plugging yada, yada, yada. I guess everyone that gives money on Sunday to the donation basket is a hate-monger, gay basher that wants death to all gays Hitler style. Especially those Catholics. The donation basket has a picture of Sandusky on it.

tylerdolphin
08-04-2012, 01:21 AM
The overwhelming majority of "Christian" organizations are anti-gay. It comes with the terrority you know fire and brimstone for butt-plugging yada, yada, yada. I guess everyone that gives money on Sunday to the donation basket is a hate-monger, gay basher that wants death to all gays Hitler style. Especially those Catholics. The donation basket has a picture of Sandusky on it.

I would probably go to a Catholic church with the sense of humor to have a Sandusky basket and a NAMBLA flyer on the door.

Dolphins9954
08-04-2012, 09:56 AM
I would probably go to a Catholic church with the sense of humor to have a Sandusky basket and a NAMBLA flyer on the door.

Sandusky basket with hidden cam would be awesome!!!