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Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 03:46 PM
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Caldwell billboard is raising questions in the Treasure Valley as it compares President Obama (http://search.kboi2.com/default.aspx?ct=r&q=president%20obama) to accused Colorado killer, James Holmes. (http://search.kboi2.com/default.aspx?ct=r&q=James%20holmes)

The billboard on Franklin Road equates the actions of the president's foreign policies to the acts of Holmes, who's suspected of killing 12 people in the theater shooting.

The group that owns the board, The Ralph Smeed Foundation, says it wants to draw attention to military men and women dying overseas.

"(It's) way over the line, and I am not an Obama supporter," Lynn Davis Hathaway, said on the KBOI 2News Facebook page. (http://www.facebook.com/kboi2)

A spokesman for the group says everyone has the right to their own opinion. | Additional photos of the billboard (http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/billboard-James-Holmes-Idaho-President-Obama-kboi-164065466.html?tab=gallery&c=y)

Ashley Helton, who also wrote on Facebook, agrees with the group.

"It's a free country, this group has a right to voice their opinion no matter what anyone thinks about it," Helton said.

President Obama recently visited the Pacific Northwest (http://www.kboi2.com/politics/163716706.html) - making stops in Portland and Seattle.


http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/billboard-James-Holmes-Idaho-President-Obama-kboi-164065466.html

rob19
07-28-2012, 03:49 PM
You might as well put every U.S President on that billboard then, not just Obama.

Locke
07-28-2012, 04:02 PM
The disrespect for the office of President in this country is sickening...

Tetragrammaton
07-28-2012, 04:13 PM
You might as well put every U.S President on that billboard then, not just Obama.

Every post-World War II President should have been tried for war crimes.

bigguy1381
07-28-2012, 04:18 PM
The disrespect for the office of President in this country is sickening...

It's been brought upon by themselves. Election years are full of campaign ads trying to convince the public how terrible of a human being they're opponent is. They're marketing strategy is to get people to hate the other guy. And that hatred carries over regardless of who gets elected.

Locke
07-28-2012, 04:23 PM
It's been brought upon by themselves. Election years are full of campaign ads trying to convince the public how terrible of a human being they're opponent is. They're marketing strategy is to get people to hate the other guy. And that hatred carries over regardless of who gets elected.

There's some truth to that, no doubt about it. However, when you see pundits ripping into them, and your average joe talking about the POTUS like he is some dirtbag, it's disgusting. I'm far too young to remember the Reagan and Bush 1 years, but I don't remember it being this bad with Clinton. The left was pretty mean in regards to Bush I, and now the right has taken it to a whole new level with Obama. We've become a country that thrives on hate. It's depressing...

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Where were these billboards when Bush was El Presidente?

I'm surprised they didn't call him a Dune Coon or the N-word with it up in Idaho.

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 06:21 PM
The disrespect for the office of President in this country is sickening...

When it comes to his drone bombing policy and continuation/expansion of Bush's war policies. He deserves it. I agree there is a lot of other BS Obama get's attacked on ie. muslim, birther and socialist. But war crimes is totally legit.

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You might as well put every U.S President on that billboard then, not just Obama.

I agree. But he's the prez right now. At least someone is out there exposing it.

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 06:27 PM
How is he expanding Bush's war policies?

Nixon's Ghost
07-28-2012, 06:44 PM
what'ever happened to politicians just being crooks???

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 06:51 PM
How is he expanding Bush's war policies?

Afghanistan, Continued the war in Iraq and followed the SOFA agreement to the letter. 3 years after the fact the said he would end the war in Iraq. Nevermind all the times he voted to fund the war in Iraq too. Libya, which really is worse because he did so without ANY approval from Congress and even didn't follow the War Powers Act. Expanded the drone bombings in Pakistan. Has bombed Yemen and Somalia as well. Expanded the military budget to the highest levels since WW2. Maintains and expanded our military bases and presence in the Middle East. Continues the saber-rattling with Iran and Syria. We've had the discussion before. There may be difference in tone and rhetoric. But make no mistake there isn't much difference in Bush or Obama's war policies. Especially not enough to define a clear and alternative policy.

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cmax13
07-28-2012, 06:52 PM
it seems that's the job of "media" and i lump them all in together, whether it's print, tv, internet, radio, billboards, in this case, is to polarize the country. there seems to be no middle ground anymore. it's either you're with us or you're against us. it's all in or all out. that will be the downfall of this country. nobody seems to be a moderate these days. everything seems to be pulling the people to the extremes, even our friends and brothers are taking sides, often different ones.

there just doesn't seem to be any common courtesy or common sense anymore. because as soon as someone says something others don't agree with, it's attack city. there is no logic, reason or even intelligence in a lot of arguments, just making it us against them, no matter the question or answer.

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 07:09 PM
I really don't know how you'd get around not doing anything if you were POTUS.
FDR had WWII
Truman had WWII
Eisenhower had Korea, escalated the Cold War, ran the CIA like John Gotti.
Kennedy had the Cuban Missile Crisis and got Vietnam started.
LBJ had 'Nam
Nixon had Vietnam, Israel vs. the Middle East '73, and a few others.
Carter had the Iranian Hostage Crisis and funded the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan.
Reagan had Lebanon, Grenada, the Cold War, which included financing the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, as well as Iran-Iraq. Bombed Libya too.
Bush I had Kuwait
Clinton had Kosovo and the bombings of Iraq to take attention away from things
Bush II had Afghanistan and Iraq
Obama's gotten rid of Iraq, built up Afghanistan, and done a bunch of **** covertly, which the others have too.

Every president sends troops somewhere, fighting with somebody, and it's been mostly since WWII, when we became the world's superpower. Even before that we had military entanglements with one side or the other. Obama's no different than his predecessors.

The only way we'd get our noses out of **** would be if we suddenly decided we're bored with playing King of the Ring. The United States is a country that worships its military, a lot like Rome back in the day. There's also a ton of money to be made in war and ****ing places up, we wouldn't be doing it if people weren't getting rich off of it.

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 07:41 PM
We'd be well off closing bases overseas and doing a little re-aligning. With the money saved, we could use it to beef up a GI bill or tax breaks or something.

Dolphins9954
07-28-2012, 08:11 PM
I really don't know how you'd get around not doing anything if you were POTUS.
FDR had WWII
Truman had WWII
Eisenhower had Korea, escalated the Cold War, ran the CIA like John Gotti.
Kennedy had the Cuban Missile Crisis and got Vietnam started.
LBJ had 'Nam
Nixon had Vietnam, Israel vs. the Middle East '73, and a few others.
Carter had the Iranian Hostage Crisis and funded the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan.
Reagan had Lebanon, Grenada, the Cold War, which included financing the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, as well as Iran-Iraq. Bombed Libya too.
Bush I had Kuwait
Clinton had Kosovo and the bombings of Iraq to take attention away from things
Bush II had Afghanistan and Iraq
Obama's gotten rid of Iraq, built up Afghanistan, and done a bunch of **** covertly, which the others have too.

Every president sends troops somewhere, fighting with somebody, and it's been mostly since WWII, when we became the world's superpower. Even before that we had military entanglements with one side or the other. Obama's no different than his predecessors.

The only way we'd get our noses out of **** would be if we suddenly decided we're bored with playing King of the Ring. The United States is a country that worships its military, a lot like Rome back in the day. There's also a ton of money to be made in war and ****ing places up, we wouldn't be doing it if people weren't getting rich off of it.


That's exactly what I'm saying. Especially Bush.

CedarPhin
07-28-2012, 08:44 PM
My point is, no one you're ever going to elect is going to do any different. It's just the way things are.

CattailsrEdible
07-28-2012, 08:50 PM
I dont think the billboard goes far enough!

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CashInFist
07-29-2012, 12:03 PM
I think the billboard is ****ing stupid. And I don't like Obama as POTUS...

phins_4_ever
07-29-2012, 12:30 PM
The disrespect for the office of President in this country is sickening...

I agree. It is disgraceful. Especially when it comes from people who cheered for a war based on lies which killed over 4000 US soldiers and hundreds of thousands Iraqi civilians.


When it comes to his drone bombing policy and continuation/expansion of Bush's war policies. He deserves it. I agree there is a lot of other BS Obama get's attacked on ie. muslim, birther and socialist. But war crimes is totally legit.


War crimes are not legit. Well they shouldn't be anyways. Boards like this should only be put up by pacifists who put up the same boards up during the Bush years. This board is nothing but trash put up by a bunch of hypocrites.

If you criticized the Iraq war you have a clean slate. But this ad was put up by people who wholeheartedly support the Iraq war and that makes it wrong.

Unfortunately there has been no President and will be no President who would go against main stream America who has the the need and wish to continue wars. Plus the military industry has too much power in this country.

CedarPhin
07-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Honestly, it's Idaho.

The President is a black Democrat. they don't like black people in Idaho (trust me, I lived next door to that state for years and years), much less Democrats, and that's most of the root of their angst with the current CoC. Not saying everyone in Idaho is a Democrat hating racist, but they've got their fair share of people there like that. Check out some of the stories from the Idaho panhandle sometime, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like Obama doesn't like him because he's black, but that's part of the reason you see this virulent, misplaced anger/aggression towards the prez. It's not surprising to me. Of course, not liking the dude because he's black and a democrat doesn't make them awful people, they're more than entitled to their bizarre hatred/anger, but it just makes them look like the provincial mountain rubes that they are, and gives everyone living in the Mountain West a bad name.

The irony is, most of those people that bitch about his drone campaign there are the same ones you see that have 150 yellow ribbon magnets all over their car, claiming "freedom isn't free" and acting all gung-ho about our military ops overseas. They're more than likely the same people that feverishly support a protracted bombing campaign against Iran.

Dolphins9954
07-29-2012, 06:25 PM
My point is, no one you're ever going to elect is going to do any different. It's just the way things are.

No one we're going to elect from these 2 parties that's for sure. They've become too close to being the same to have any type of functional democracy where people have a clear alternative especially on war policies and the MIC.

Dolphins9954
07-29-2012, 06:27 PM
I agree. It is disgraceful. Especially when it comes from people who cheered for a war based on lies which killed over 4000 US soldiers and hundreds of thousands Iraqi civilians.



War crimes are not legit. Well they shouldn't be anyways. Boards like this should only be put up by pacifists who put up the same boards up during the Bush years. This board is nothing but trash put up by a bunch of hypocrites.

If you criticized the Iraq war you have a clean slate. But this ad was put up by people who wholeheartedly support the Iraq war and that makes it wrong.

Unfortunately there has been no President and will be no President who would go against main stream America who has the the need and wish to continue wars. Plus the military industry has too much power in this country.

Obama'a war crimes are totally legit. This coming from someone who called Bush and Cheney war criminals plenty of times.

phinfan3411
07-29-2012, 06:50 PM
The disrespect for the office of President in this country is sickening...

I'm sure i'm in the minority here, but if it is not partisan bashing, I am all for it.

Maybe this is a topic for a different thread, and it has come up before, but why exactly (i do not mean this sarcastically) does Obama or Bush , or as it has been pointed out, every president since WWII deserve this absolute respect?

Is it because we were taught that as children?

Am i supposed to believe Obama or Bush just did not know any better?

The fact of the matter is the decisions of our highest office are basically sold to the highest bidder, and i'm not singling out Obama nor am i absolving him.

How can you respect Bush with how he let the military industrial complex have their way with the middle east, he had no idea? How about the drug companies paying him off for the no importation legislation of about 7-8 yrs ago? How much has that cost the average person, heck how many lives have we lost because of people not being able to afford their medication?

Obama deserves my respect because he reaffirmed that very policy in 2008, and every other continuation of Bush's foreign policy, that has cost us how much money, and how many lives?

No Locke, i usually agree with you, but for me, politicians have to EARN respect, and there is very few that do, they all are PUBLIC SERVANTS, but they only serve the HIGHEST BIDDER.

Yes, we can try and blur the truth by saying, well, that's just how it is, or, it's really always been that way. I personally think that is a terrible response, and makes me wonder what i would say to my 5 year old daughter when she says she did something because her friend has been doing it too.

So, we should have respect for the office of the president regardless of what they accomplish?

Locke
07-29-2012, 06:58 PM
I'm sure i'm in the minority here, but if it is not partisan bashing, I am all for it.

Maybe this is a topic for a different thread, and it has come up before, but why exactly (i do not mean this sarcastically) does Obama or Bush , or as it has been pointed out, every president since WWII deserve this absolute respect?

Is it because we were taught that as children?

Am i supposed to believe Obama or Bush just did not know any better?

The fact of the matter is the decisions of our highest office are basically sold to the highest bidder, and i'm not singling out Obama nor am i absolving him.

How can you respect Bush with how he let the military industrial complex have their way with the middle east, he had no idea? How about the drug companies paying him off for the no importation legislation of about 7-8 yrs ago? How much has that cost the average person, heck how many lives have we lost because of people not being able to afford their medication?

Obama deserves my respect because he reaffirmed that very policy in 2008, and every other continuation of Bush's foreign policy, that has cost us how much money, and how many lives?

No Locke, i usually agree with you, but for me, politicians have to EARN respect, and there is very few that do, they all are PUBLIC SERVANTS, but they only serve the HIGHEST BIDDER.

Yes, we can try and blur the truth by saying, well, that's just how it is, or, it's really always been that way. I personally think that is a terrible response, and makes me wonder what i would say to my 5 year old daughter when she says she did something because her friend has been doing it too.

So, we should have respect for the office of the president regardless of what they accomplish?

I certainly agree that everyone, including the President of the U.S., needs to be held accountable. I think a certain level of respect is expected for the leaders of your country though. Putting up billboards comparing your President to a sociopath is not demanding accountability, it's being blatantly disrespectful. When Bush had that shoe thrown at his head, and instead of being appalled that someone would do that to our President, they laughed and clapped, I said that the same thing. I think you can be critical and demand that accountability without resorting to middle school name-calling. Unfortunately, Americans don't seem to know that...

phinfan3411
07-29-2012, 07:06 PM
I certainly agree that everyone, including the President of the U.S., needs to be held accountable. I think a certain level of respect is expected for the leaders of your country though. Putting up billboards comparing your President to a sociopath is not demanding accountability, it's being blatantly disrespectful. When Bush had that shoe thrown at his head, and instead of being appalled that someone would do that to our President, they laughed and clapped, I said that the same thing. I think you can be critical and demand that accountability without resorting to middle school name-calling. Unfortunately, Americans don't seem to know that...

Well, i agree with you about name calling etc., so are you saying that this billboard is a form of this childish behavior?

I am not saying i agree with the group, actually i have no idea who did this, if it is the work of a blatantly partisan group, i treat it like any other partisan information...it's useless.

If they are not though, even though i can't say i disagree with their message either way, i respect it more.

One more question, i agree that every politician should be held accountable, if we both agree to this, can i assume you do not feel Obama deserves a second term, along with a whole list of others?

CedarPhin
07-29-2012, 08:08 PM
No one we're going to elect from these 2 parties that's for sure. They've become too close to being the same to have any type of functional democracy where people have a clear alternative especially on war policies and the MIC.

We've been at war for something like 217 years of our country's existence. That's Democrats, Republicans, Whigs, Federalists, Jeffersonian Democrats, Democratic Republicans, etc.

Anyone you'd elect to President would do the same thing and carry out the same sorts of things. Too much money involved.

Dolphins9954
07-29-2012, 08:16 PM
We've been at war for something like 217 years of our country's existence. That's Democrats, Republicans, Whigs, Federalists, Jeffersonian Democrats, Democratic Republicans, etc.

Anyone you'd elect to President would do the same thing and carry out the same sorts of things. Too much money involved.

Anyone you elect from the MIC approved candidates. Don't you want that to change??? Especially considering our fiscal situation. We will never be able to fix our deficit and debt crisis without a candidate willing to dramatically change our war policies.

Locke
07-29-2012, 08:25 PM
Well, i agree with you about name calling etc., so are you saying that this billboard is a form of this childish behavior?

I am not saying i agree with the group, actually i have no idea who did this, if it is the work of a blatantly partisan group, i treat it like any other partisan information...it's useless.

If they are not though, even though i can't say i disagree with their message either way, i respect it more.

One more question, i agree that every politician should be held accountable, if we both agree to this, can i assume you do not feel Obama deserves a second term, along with a whole list of others?

You assume correctly. I don't think he deserves another term. However, with the alternative being Romney, I'd rather stick with the politician who I know isn't going to try to do stuff like porn filters. I'd actually prefer a strong third party candidate to emerge, but that doesn't seem possible for a pretty long time...

Dolphins9954
07-29-2012, 09:54 PM
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