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BAMAPHIN 22
08-02-2012, 04:56 PM
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Harry+Reid) is not backing down from his second-hand allegations that Mitt Romney (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mitt+Romney) did not pay taxes for 10 years, but he still won't name his sources for the unproven claim.
Reid said earlier this week that an investor in Romney's former private equity firm told him the Republican presidential candidate paid no taxes for a decade....


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/harry-reid-continues-pushing-allegations-mitt-romney-paid-taxes-10-years-article-1.1127323#ixzz22QNO1DGS

DisturbedShifty
08-02-2012, 05:41 PM
Wonder what would happen if this turns out to be true?

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Locke
08-02-2012, 05:55 PM
Wonder what would happen if this turns out to be true?

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Probably hurts him among Independents. He is already having trouble connecting with the middle class and Independent voters. He is trying to sell himself as one of them, and it's just not working. If it turns out he hasn't even paid taxes, he probably has not chance of cutting into that voting segment, which would also mean he has no chance at this Presidency...

Perfect23
08-02-2012, 06:10 PM
Probably hurts him among Independents. He is already having trouble connecting with the middle class and Independent voters. He is trying to sell himself as one of them, and it's just not working. If it turns out he hasn't even paid taxes, he probably has not chance of cutting into that voting segment, which would also mean he has no chance at this Presidency...

I think it's a shame that people vote that way to think any politician can relate to them.

Locke
08-02-2012, 06:59 PM
I think it's a shame that people vote that way to think any politician can relate to them.

I think it's reasonable. You want your leader to be someone you feel understands what you're going through. I can't even count the number of times someone said Bush felt like someone you could sit down and have a beer with. That's important to people. I have a hard time believing someone who hasn't paid taxes in 10 years is someone who knows what I'm going through when I'm responsible for property taxes and income taxes every year. What would he know about that? How can he objectively talk about it? That's the reasoning behind it...

Valandui
08-02-2012, 07:23 PM
Can Harry Reid really be talking about someone else's questionable financial practices?

Dolphins9954
08-02-2012, 08:39 PM
Romney was just trying to qualify for an Obama cabinet postition.

CANDolphan
08-02-2012, 09:14 PM
I think it's a shame that people vote that way to think any politician can relate to them.

How so? Do you think there would be complete financial aid reform for education if it had not been for Obama's experience as a student living off financial aid? He saw the pros AND the cons, and fixed the system. That alone will improve the economy, IMO. The system under W was a complete sham. It's allowing kids to go to cooking school, tier 4 law schools, and welding schools, borrowing up to 6 figures of debt, with absolutely no hopes of paying it back. Why? Because they are federally backed loans. Why is it so expensive? Because tuition continues to rise because schools know the government will back the loans

Okay rant over but whoops

Eshlemon
08-03-2012, 01:06 PM
Can Harry Reid really be talking about someone else's questionable financial practices?

Or for Reid to release his tax records. Not to single Reid out, virtualy every Congressman except for round 20 in Congress refuse to release their tax records.

For me, I want to see Romney's tax records. But guess I'm an extremist on the issue as also want to see both candidates college records neither will release, the executive priveliged info on fast and furiuous, and my Congressman's tax records which he does release. [EDIT: should be my representative in the House does release but neither Senator does]

MadDog 88
08-03-2012, 03:49 PM
This independent is very suspicious of Romney not releasing his returns. Not just Romney but any politician who s not forthcoming in their financial dealings. Romney doesn't connect with the middle class and I don't see him seriously challenging Obama in November.

Valandui
08-03-2012, 05:43 PM
Or for Reid to release his tax records. Not to single Reid out, virtualy every Congressman except for round 20 in Congress refuse to release their tax records.

For me, I want to see Romney's tax records. But guess I'm an extremist on the issue as also want to see both candidates college records neither will release, the executive priveliged info on fast and furiuous, and my Congressman's tax records which he does release. [EDIT: should be my representative in the House does release but neither Senator does]
I have family in Nevada who have told me all kinds of stories about how Reid uses his position for crooked land deals, rewarding his buddies, etc. It would be like Jay Rockefeller calling Romney out for this.

phins_4_ever
08-03-2012, 07:50 PM
Honestly, it doesn't matter who calls Romney out or not. We may not like the tax system, the IRS or whatever. We have had plenty of crooks in the WH or in any cabinet position but if somebody runs for President and it comes out already in pre-election months that he or she done tax evasion, that should be it.

Tax evasion by shuffling money outside the country without investment purposes is a crime. If that happens to the average Joe he'd be taxed, penalized and tried.

LouPhinFan
08-03-2012, 11:35 PM
The whole thing is stupid. Of course Romney paid taxes over the past 10 years. He doesn't want to release them because he's made a crap ton of money and that won't relate to the middle class voter. He told ABC News he wasn't sure what percentage taxes he paid over the past 10 years. I call shenanigans on that. As soon as he was asked for his past taxes he had his accountants go over them to see what he paid and if there are any errors. He knows EXACTLY how much he has paid in taxes and he knows voters aren't going to like how little that figure is.

Reid needs to shut his cake hole.

Dolphins9954
08-03-2012, 11:40 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/timgeithner-1.jpg

SkapePhin
08-07-2012, 12:10 AM
I say its fair game. I mean, there are some conservatives that are STILL calling for Obama to release his freaking birth certificate even after Hawaii has all but produced a video of Mama Obama popping the future prez out of her vag... Yet, these same people are oddly silent on this matter. Go figure.

CANDolphan
08-07-2012, 04:51 PM
The whole thing is stupid. Of course Romney paid taxes over the past 10 years. He doesn't want to release them because he's made a crap ton of money and that won't relate to the middle class voter. He told ABC News he wasn't sure what percentage taxes he paid over the past 10 years. I call shenanigans on that. As soon as he was asked for his past taxes he had his accountants go over them to see what he paid and if there are any errors. He knows EXACTLY how much he has paid in taxes and he knows voters aren't going to like how little that figure is.

Reid needs to shut his cake hole.

What sucks is I know that I will likely (hopefully!) be making enough money to get taxed the most in this country... but I'll never be wealthy enough to receive the true benefits. It's like a damn bell curve. Make $400,000? Great! Here's your 33.3% tax bill. Make $10,000,000? Guess what bud you're fine just run your earnings through this handy dandy corporation and voila we've got ourselves 11%!

CedarPhin
08-07-2012, 06:13 PM
Harry Reid played this brilliantly. Dude's one of the dirtiest players in the game, a modern day Kevin Gogan of the political spectrum.

Tetragrammaton
08-07-2012, 06:49 PM
Harry Reid played this brilliantly. Dude's one of the dirtiest players in the game, a modern day Kevin Gogan of the political spectrum.

I have loved him ever since I found out he was an inspiration for a character in Casino.

CedarPhin
08-07-2012, 07:00 PM
I have loved him ever since I found out he was an inspiration for a character in Casino.

He's the guy that Dick Smothers plays. The one who gets the hookers and the gambling chips in the first part. That movie rules.

cbreeden
08-08-2012, 11:07 AM
Romney was just trying to qualify for an Obama cabinet postition.

Secretary of the Treasury perhaps?

cbreeden
08-08-2012, 11:11 AM
I say its fair game. I mean, there are some conservatives that are STILL calling for Obama to release his freaking birth certificate even after Hawaii has all but produced a video of Mama Obama popping the future prez out of her vag... Yet, these same people are oddly silent on this matter. Go figure.

No we're not. There are millions of conservatives who are justly concerned about the authenticity of Nobama's birth certificate.

What Romney should do is turn the tables on Obama and ask for his college transcripts from Columbia.....that have been sealed since '08.

SkapePhin
08-08-2012, 11:56 AM
No we're not. There are millions of conservatives who are justly concerned about the authenticity of Nobama's birth certificate.

What Romney should do is turn the tables on Obama and ask for his college transcripts from Columbia.....that have been sealed since '08.

"Justly" concerned? Really?

So I guess these people believe someone time traveled to Hawaii in 1961 to place a falsified birth announcement in the newspaper?

Additionally, do you honestly believe that if Obama was not releasing his tax returns for the past decade that conservatives wouldn't be blasting him on a daily basis? Get real.

Locke
08-08-2012, 01:57 PM
No we're not. There are millions of conservatives who are justly concerned about the authenticity of Nobama's birth certificate.

What Romney should do is turn the tables on Obama and ask for his college transcripts from Columbia.....that have been sealed since '08.

:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

"We're not saying he isn't American, we're asking him to prove his birth certificate is real."

Every time I think the retardation level has peaked on this forum, someone has to prove me wrong...

cbreeden
08-08-2012, 03:11 PM
:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

"We're not saying he isn't American, we're asking him to prove his birth certificate is real."

Every time I think the retardation level has peaked on this forum, someone has to prove me wrong...

How is that asking for a legit BC is retarded? There is evidence MM won't report that questions the authenticity. That's all I'm saying. Haven't seen any due diligence by any media outlet that will investigate the findings of Arpaio either way....make him out be a total bafoon or ask Obama where the real BC is.

Locke
08-08-2012, 03:41 PM
How is that asking for a legit BC is retarded? There is evidence MM won't report that questions the authenticity. That's all I'm saying. Haven't seen any due diligence by any media outlet that will investigate the findings of Arpaio either way....make him out be a total bafoon or ask Obama where the real BC is.

The man has done everything outside of publish a video of him popping out of his mom's vag underneath a U.S. flag. What's retarded is the fact that he has been proven to be a U.S. citizen for years, yet people like you refuse to believe it, for no other reason than he has a funny name. The man got into an Ivy League school, and didn't need immigration papers to do so. The man was a Senator, and didn't need to provide immigration papers. The man qualified as a Presidential candidate. That means the CIA and FBI did extensive background checks on the man, as they do every Presidential candidate, and found nothing. Yet, Fox News and the rest of the retard convention keep harping on it, so their viewers do too. The man is a U.S. citizen. For a country built on the quote "Bring me your sick, your hungry, and your poor", which literally means immigrants, it's disgusting that people can't leave this alone because he is one. It's time to stop being ****ing racist and to start using your head...

CedarPhin
08-08-2012, 05:37 PM
No we're not. There are millions of conservatives who are justly concerned about the authenticity of Nobama's birth certificate.

What Romney should do is turn the tables on Obama and ask for his college transcripts from Columbia.....that have been sealed since '08.

Did you get your idea for this from that op-ed that came out yesterday? It sounds strikingly similar to the exact same message of this article.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Does the GOP/Tea Party ever have original thoughts?

CedarPhin
08-08-2012, 05:41 PM
Guys, take the **** talking to the "Anything Goes" thread.

Call each other any name you want.

Valandui
08-08-2012, 07:36 PM
Did you get your idea for this from that op-ed that came out yesterday? It sounds strikingly similar to the exact same message of this article.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Does the GOP/Tea Party ever have original thoughts?
To be fair, that's how he got elected to the Senate. His opponent Jack Ryan's (who was married to Jeri Ryan) divorce records became unsealed and the Republicans scrambled and approached everyone and their mother to run against him (including Mike Ditka) but eventually had to settle for getting Alan Keyes to move to Illinois at the last minute and run against him.

LouPhinFan
08-08-2012, 10:57 PM
Ugh. The birth certificate thing again? I'm a moderate registered Republican Christian that doesn't watch Fox News. I believe Obama is an American and is not a Muslim. Are the Republican police going to come and take my voting card away?

I mean seriously, as Locke said; IF OBAMA WAS NOT BORN AN AMERICAN THE BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THE PRESIDENCY WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT. OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

This is why I can't take my own party seriously. Well this and Sarah Palin. But it's still better than being a Democrat. :lol:

Locke
08-09-2012, 01:34 AM
Ugh. The birth certificate thing again? I'm a moderate registered Republican Christian that doesn't watch Fox News. I believe Obama is an American and is not a Muslim. Are the Republican police going to come and take my voting card away?

I mean seriously, as Locke said; IF OBAMA WAS NOT BORN AN AMERICAN THE BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THE PRESIDENCY WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT. OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

This is why I can't take my own party seriously. Well this and Sarah Palin. But it's still better than being a Democrat. :lol:

Lou, you give me hope for the religious right. Seriously, it's a breathe of fresh air chatting with you and Eshlemon. I may not always agree, and usually don't, but I damn well appreciate the intelligent insight and rational thoughts behind the positions. I especially love the lack of propaganda and baseless attacks...

cbreeden
08-09-2012, 12:03 PM
Did you get your idea for this from that op-ed that came out yesterday? It sounds strikingly similar to the exact same message of this article.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Does the GOP/Tea Party ever have original thoughts?

From Root yes, theblaze no. I am not a Repub nor Tea Partier but a Libertarian. Before I even saw the editorial my thoughts were since Romney is running and can't associate with his own party the results are probably a foregone conclusion. BUT, to "fight the good fight" and at least make it interesting Romney needs to stay on topic (economy/jobs) and stop defending baseless attacks (Reid). Root's theme in the article was on point.

Locke, my apologies for the outburst. While you may have meant it otherwise I took your comment personally and was insulted to say the least. I have never been, am not nor will ever be a racist.

Locke
08-09-2012, 12:47 PM
From Root yes, theblaze no. I am not a Repub nor Tea Partier but a Libertarian. Before I even saw the editorial my thoughts were since Romney is running and can't associate with his own party the results are probably a foregone conclusion. BUT, to "fight the good fight" and at least make it interesting Romney needs to stay on topic (economy/jobs) and stop defending baseless attacks (Reid). Root's theme in the article was on point.

Locke, my apologies for the outburst. While you may have meant it otherwise I took your comment personally and was insulted to say the least. I have never been, am not nor will ever be a racist.

I wasn't calling you racist, and I apologize if it came off that way. However, the insinuation that Obama is not a citizen is racist in of itself, which was my point...

Valandui
08-09-2012, 08:08 PM
I wasn't calling you racist, and I apologize if it came off that way. However, the insinuation that Obama is not a citizen is racist in of itself, which was my point...

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but the issue was not if he is a citizen or not, but wether or not he was born here.

Locke
08-09-2012, 08:42 PM
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but the issue was not if he is a citizen or not, but wether or not he was born here.

That wouldn't matter. The whole issue came up because people were trying to say he wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't a U.S. Citizen. John McCain was born in Panama, on a U.S. base, if I remember right. The only reason it didn't come up with McCain was because he has as white a name as anyone else. Of course the dark skinned guy with the name Barack Hussein Obama would be questioned. I don't see how that's not racist...

Valandui
08-09-2012, 08:54 PM
That wouldn't matter. The whole issue came up because people were trying to say he wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't a U.S. Citizen. John McCain was born in Panama, on a U.S. base, if I remember right. The only reason it didn't come up with McCain was because he has as white a name as anyone else. Of course the dark skinned guy with the name Barack Hussein Obama would be questioned. I don't see how that's not racist...

Actually, McCain was born off base before the Canal Zone was a US territory. He was ineligible under the Constitution based on that. A military base is considered US soil, but the Canal Zone wasn't at the time or he was born further into the country. I may be mixing that up.

Locke
08-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Actually, McCain was born off base before the Canal Zone was a US territory. He was ineligible under the Constitution based on that. A military base is considered US soil, but the Canal Zone wasn't at the time or he was born further into the country. I may be mixing that up.

You're probably correct. The point is, there were 2 Presidential candidates, one born in Hawaii and one born in Panama, yet the one born in Hawaii is the one singled out...?

Valandui
08-09-2012, 10:28 PM
You're probably correct. The point is, there were 2 Presidential candidates, one born in Hawaii and one born in Panama, yet the one born in Hawaii is the one singled out...?
The Obama thing was due to the fact that his father was not an American citizen, his mother had renounced her citizenship, and there was reasonable doubt as to wether or not he was born here. It was a legitimate question to raise but, as usual, the crazies took it and ran with it. If you look at it, assuming that they were right (which I'm not saying they were, this is just for the sake of arguement), we were guaranteed a President that is ineligible under the Constitution as in that scenario neither Obama or McCain was born in the US and Hillary Clinton was a woman (in the Constitution the President is referred to as "he" when the powers of the Presidency are spelled out, which would make a woman ineligible if adhereing to the Constitution as a strict legal document). Sounds very conspiracy-ish, but is still a crazy thought nonetheless.

CedarPhin
08-09-2012, 10:32 PM
George Romney was born in Mexico. Clearly, Mitt's leading the new Mexico revolution.

CedarPhin
08-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Actually, McCain was born off base before the Canal Zone was a US territory. He was ineligible under the Constitution based on that. A military base is considered US soil, but the Canal Zone wasn't at the time or he was born further into the country. I may be mixing that up.

John McCain was born on a U.S. Naval base in the Canal Zone, which was under US occupation at the time.

Valandui
08-09-2012, 10:40 PM
John McCain was born on a U.S. Naval base in the Canal Zone, which was under US occupation at the time.

But I don't think he was actually born on the base. I think they were on their way back and from somewhere and didn't make it to the base before he was born.

Eshlemon
08-10-2012, 02:28 AM
But I don't think he was actually born on the base. I think they were on their way back and from somewhere and didn't make it to the base before he was born.

McCain was born on the Panama Canal Base but didn't matter if he was or wasn't as he's still considered a natural born citizen...


But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country’s borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:

Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

Another congressional act in 1795 issued a similar assurance, though it changed the language from "natural born citizen" to "citizen."

But the State Department clarifies the issue, saying that the 1790 language is honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility/

LOL, given the transportation at the time, expect the government was finding a hard time filling overseas diplomatic posts.

Also, Romney's dad was born in Mexico was still eligible. Goldwater was born in the Arizona territory and still eligible.

Valandui
08-10-2012, 02:39 AM
McCain was born on the Panama Canal Base but didn't matter if he was or wasn't as he's still considered a natural born citizen...



http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility/

LOL, given the transportation at the time, expect the government was finding a hard time filling overseas diplomatic posts.

Also, Romney's dad was born in Mexico was still eligible. Goldwater was born in the Arizona territory and still eligible.

George Romney should not have been eligible then. Goldwater would have been different because Arizona was a state at the time of his running.

Valandui
08-10-2012, 02:43 AM
The Constitution is pretty clear that the only people not born on American soil that were eligible for the Presidency were those who were citizens at the time of the founding of the nation. Embassies and military bases are considered American soil, so therefor anyone born there is considered to be born in America.

Eshlemon
08-10-2012, 02:52 AM
George Romney should not have been eligible then. Goldwater would have been different because Arizona was a state at the time of his running.


"And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

I don't know the Romney family tree, if both of his parents where not citizens then he wouldn't have been eligible.