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ChambersWI
08-03-2012, 04:56 PM
Okay, this thread has been done to death, but I'm still interested to hear different FH posters tell which prospects they whiffed and hit HRs on analyzing. It DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A FIN DRAFTEE. It can be any.

Here's one for each category off the top of my head.

Miss- Josh Bullocks. He and his brother Daniel were a great combo while at Nebraska, Josh left as a junior after the 2004/05 season. As a sophomore, Josh was an All-American with 10 INTs. I was a young draftnik back then, in my freshmen year of high school, but I still loved the idea of Josh Bullocks being the FS for years in our defense. I was crushed when we didn't get a chance to draft him in round 2.

Hit- Sean Lee. A lot of people thought Lee was a typical PSU LB, not very athletic, kind of slow, only a run stuffer. Lee was still pretty athletic even after his ACL injury and quickly became a hit in Dallas.

Oh yeah the hits and misses can be on who you thought would suck as well.

SF Dolphin Fan
08-04-2012, 01:31 PM
If we're going back a few years, one of my biggest hits was Tom Brady. I remember watching his bowl game where he completed something like 34 of 38 passes and was just so on target all day. I had seen him play only a few times, but remember saying to Dolphin fans that we should draft this guy. Many people felt that the talent around him, which was pretty substantial, was the reason for his success. Of course, there was the weak arm thing as well. Big miss was Matt Leinart. Same arguments that people gave for Brady saying he was helped by the talent around him at USC. I'm probably 50-50 on quarterbacks. I seem to have a better eye for linebackers and those guys also tend to be my favorites.

I'd say the one thing we usually don't have much information on as fans is heart, work ethic and those small details that can make a huge difference.

ckparrothead
08-04-2012, 05:26 PM
QB Hits: Phil Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, J.P. Losman, Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Jamarcus Russell, Trent Edwards, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Pat White, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Cam Newton

QB Misses: Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, John Beck, Brian Brohm

QB Gambles: Reggie McNeal (lost), Josh Johnson (lost), Colt Brennan (lost), Andre Woodson (lost), Matt Flynn (win), Kellen Clemens (loss), Omar Jacobs (loss), Matt Schaub (win), Nate Davis (loss), Levi Brown (lost), Colt McCoy (loss), T.J. Yates (win),

QB Undetermined: Andrew Luck (Hit/Miss), Robert Griffin III (Hit/Miss), Ryan Tannehill (Hit/Miss), Brandon Weeden (Hit/Miss), Blaine Gabbert (Hit/Miss), Christian Ponder (Hit/Miss), Andy Dalton (Hit/Miss), Jake Locker (Hit/Miss), Ryan Mallett (Hit/Miss), Sam Bradford (Hit/Miss), Mike Kafka (Gamble), Russell Wilson (Gamble), Ryan Lindley (Gamble), B.J. Coleman (Gamble)

ROADRUNNER
08-04-2012, 05:37 PM
Just waiting for people to pick up on your QB hit's ( pat white )..............:lol2:
Yes i dont ****ing like him and never will, good luck with your new job pat walking other peoples dogs, you ****ing quitter............

ckparrothead
08-04-2012, 05:43 PM
RB Hits: Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Reggie Bush (neg), DeAngelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, Joseph Addai (neg), Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, LeSean McCoy, C.J. Spiller, Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best, Dexter McCluster,

RB Misses: Cadillac Williams, Laurence Maroney, Donald Brown (neg), Shonn Greene (neg), Beanie Wells, Toby Gerhart

RB Gambles: Ryan Moats (lost), Cedric Houston (lost), Michael Bush (win), Lorenzo Booker (lost), Xavier Omon (lost), Tim Hightower (win), Bernard Scott (lost), Rashad Jennings (lost), Deji Karim (lost)

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Just waiting for people to pick up on your QB hit's ( pat white )..............:lol2:
Yes i dont ****ing like him and never will, good luck with your new job pat walking other peoples dogs, you ****ing quitter............

I spent a large part of that pre-Draft period trying to explain to people why Pat White was NOT an appropriate option for the "Wildcat 2.0" attack.

jim1
08-04-2012, 06:29 PM
I was a big fan of Sean Lee and I thought that Cam Newton was way overrated- hit and a miss right there. I loved Dwayne Bowe coming out. Loved John Beck as well, his career still puzzles me. So far it looks like I missed on Blaine Gabbert, and I did like Graham Harrell quite a bit. Two QBs who I feel strongly about as having tremendous upside are Brandon Weeden and Russell Wilson. I don't think that people realize how good Wilson is- yeah he's under 5'11 but he played awesome behind Wisconsin's mammoth offensive line and he can do it all. He was EASILY one of the best QBs available in the draft this year. My money is on him beating out the overrated Matt Flynn for the starting job in Seattle. I warmed up a bit to Kirk Cousins as well, albeit I was quite late to the party. But Weeden and Russell- I love the pro potential of both of those guys.

dolfan91
08-05-2012, 09:14 AM
Players I liked during the Draft process that were eventually drafted by Miami: Sammie Smith - Florida State (MISS) He was all world at Florida State but had a pedestrian NFL career. Jason Taylor - Acron (HIT) Read all about him and eventually saw him play and hoped Miami would draft him. Players I liked that were Drafted by other teams: Micheal Strahan - DE - NY Giants (HIT) like JT read all about him and saw him play and thought he'd be a good player in the NFL and hoped Miami would draft him. I loved Mike Williams - WR - USC (MISS) I thought he was the 2nd coming of Keyshawn but just didn't have what it took to make it in the NFL; although he did get a 2nd chance with Pete Carroll in Seattle last season and made the most of hit.

TedSlimmJr
08-05-2012, 09:59 AM
Players I liked during the Draft process that were eventually drafted by Miami: Sammie Smith - Florida State (MISS) He was all world at Florida State but had a pedestrian NFL career. Jason Taylor - Acron (HIT) Read all about him and eventually saw him play and hoped Miami would draft him. Players I liked that were Drafted by other teams: Micheal Strahan - DE - NY Giants (HIT) like JT read all about him and saw him play and thought he'd be a good player in the NFL and hoped Miami would draft him. I loved Mike Williams - WR - USC (MISS) I thought he was the 2nd coming of Keyshawn but just didn't have what it took to make it in the NFL; although he did get a 2nd chance with Pete Carroll in Seattle last season and made the most of hit.


Strahan was probably one of my first hits of the 90's. I used to coach with Alfred Daniels, who was one of Steve McNair's tailbacks at Alcorn St. Alfred would rave about a kid from Texas Southern that dominated the line of scrimmage despite constant double teams. Alcorn would always win but only because of McNair who was going for the Heisman Trophy, a ridiculous feat for a SWAC player from the 1-AA level. I haven't seen a defensive lineman since that causes as many problems in blocking assignments as Strahan did at that level.

Back then you had to contact athletic departments to send you game film. There were no youtube videos.

dolfan91
08-05-2012, 11:16 AM
Strahan was probably one of my first hits of the 90's. I used to coach with Alfred Daniels, who was one of Steve McNair's tailbacks at Alcorn St. Alfred would rave about a kid from Texas Southern that dominated the line of scrimmage despite constant double teams. Alcorn would always win but only because of McNair who was going for the Heisman Trophy, a ridiculous feat for a SWAC player from the 1-AA level. I haven't seen a defensive lineman since that causes as many problems in blocking assignments as Strahan did at that level.

Back then you had to contact athletic departments to send you game film. There were no youtube videos.

Slimm, I can't tell you how badly I wanted Miami to draft Strahan!!! I am a subscriber to Pro Football Weekly and what seemed like weekly, they had a small write up about him in their weekly draft column. It was the same thing for JT. But once the Home Computer age came upon us, Draft info became so much easier to get. I'm no draft expert by any means, my interest is purely fun for me and love the thrill of trying to project a player you do homework on. I want to add; that I am a big fan of all of the Finheaven Draft guy's like yourself, you make being a poster here a lot of fun. Thanks for your hard work.

soflasportsfan1
08-05-2012, 01:26 PM
Cory Dillion round 2

ANUFan
08-07-2012, 08:43 PM
QB miss:
1) Chad Henne for me--saw a few games and thought he would be awesome.
2) Cam Newton- so far I can say he's probably surprised most people with his play.
3) Blaine Gabbert- I thought he would be way better than what we've seen. Geez!!!

Wr Hit:
1) Devon Bess- saw him play for Hawaii and knew he would be good.

j-off-her-doll
08-08-2012, 01:28 AM
As much as I loved Newton, in the 2011 NFL Draft, the guy I really couldn't stop watching? Aldon Smith. My time really looking into prospects has been brief, and when I say "really looking into," I still mean it in a rather casual way. But I would watch everything I could on Smith and watch it over and over. He was the most natural pass rusher I had ever seen entering the NFL. If he stays healthy, I expect A. Smith to be registering double-digit sacks when he's 35. He's not a Von Miller, who has to beat you with a ridiculous first step (I also loved/love Miller); his hands and his use of leverage . . . just amazing.

I'm not ready to call Dalton a miss yet. I was really, really down on Dalton, but it's looking like he might prove me wrong.

ckparrothead
08-09-2012, 11:42 AM
Two guys I'm watching like a hawk as UDFAs are TE Chase Ford and CB Larry Parker. These are guys I felt pretty strong about. RB Jonas Gray is another one. When I actually took a close look at Derrick Shelby, he became a fourth. Josh Samuda I could never really feel STRONG about because I've never seen anything more than highlights. My feelings on Jeff Fuller are mixed and have always been.

But Ford and Parker I keep tabs on. I tweeted out about Larry Parker at about 3:45pm the day he was going to play his preseason game. I said if anyone were willing to give me 3:1 odds on Larry Parker getting an interception tonight, I would take it. Of course, if Vegas were to ACTUALLY handicap that event, it would probably be more like 50:1, but I'm confident in the player. Interceptions are his thing, he breaks on the ball. That's what he does. Sure enough one of the first snaps he gets out there, the quarterback actually placed the ball really well to the outside but somehow Larry dives for the unlikely interception. Replay officials ruled that he ever so slightly lost control of the ball as it hit the ground (which I thought was arguable), but I don't think it mattered...I think Larry successfully sent his "pick me" message to the coaching staff.

Those two will be guys that, if they end up good, I will definitely be crowing about...lol.

TedSlimmJr
08-09-2012, 02:32 PM
Parker was a great find. I dug in to him closely after you mentioned him and he ended up being a top 10 cornerback on my board. He had starting caliber abilities down the road.

I think the league probably missed the boat on this kid. He'll be a quality player for Arizona.