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WVDolphan
08-09-2012, 10:04 AM
I watch a lot of the NY sports networks,(SNY, YES) and when doing so I see a ton of commercials for the Jets trying real hard to sell tickets. They are trying to get rid of season tickets for dirt cheap. No one is buying them. They cant even sell out in the biggest metropolitan area in the world:lol:. They even have the draw of Tim Tebow who brings in rich Christians who arent even football fans.

The Jets are going to be terrible this year and everyone knows it. If you guys get a chance you should watch/listen to Francesa's show in the afternoons. You can find it streaming online at wfan or itunes and on tv on the Yes network. Listening to him hammer on the Jets and have their fans call in trying to defend them is solid gold. Half of their own fans will call and bash them too. Its great.

The Jets offense is attrotious. I thought we had a lack of talent at skill positions. Look at the Jets roster. Outsides of Holmes, who is a punk, and Dustin Keller, they have nobody who can make a play or threaten a defense. They are counting on a rookie at WR to give them a boost. Its hillarious they want to ground and pound and yet the only RB they have is Greene who has proven he cant carry the load. Their OL is total garbage. How in the hell are they going to run the ball. The capper is they have TONY SPARANO running the offense. :crazy::lol: They are not going to be able to score at all. Their OL will be a revolving door of total sieves.(sp?) With no running backs worth anything, bad QB play, a terrible OL, and nobody who can get open that has a good attitude, this could be one of the worst offenses in history.

The Jets are in for a terrible season. Its going to be great. Their defense is highly overrated as well. And once you put all the pressure on those guys, they are going to fold. Even Revis is complaining going into the season about his contract again. This is a total recipe for disaster. Tebowmania, Sanchez, Holmes' attitude, chaotic fights in camp, Rex losing control and running his mouth, Revis disgruntled, Tony Sparano, and a roster completely void of offensive talent = epic implosion. :tubes:
Solid Gold folks.

See Rex wanted to bring in Tebow and pretend he could run it. I will tell you now Rex likes the idea of his offense being totally challenged and not capable of scoring. You see Rex wants it to be all about him. He dosent just want to win, he wants to win the way the Ravens did back in the day. He wants the Jets to win the whole thing without being able to score and his defense dominating its way to a title. That way he can talk about what a defensive genius he is. Too bad for him his defense blows. He dosent have the talent that Baltimore had. No way this team can pull that off. Revis is not going to make a whole defense. They dont have a consistant enough pass rush. They cant get consistant pressure without blitzing and even then they dont always get to the QB. Its going to be a long season for the Jets.

And to cap it off, the phins are a way better team. Much tougher at the LOS. Both teams lack skills position talent, but the phins have the better defense and a way better OL. We are going to smash the **** out of the Jets TWICE. Book it.

nyjunc
08-09-2012, 10:17 AM
You really shouldn't discuss ticket sales. The jets have been sold out since the 70s, w/ the new Stadium and PSLs they have turend off a lot of old STH's and the $50 seats are some of the worst in the league as you are a mile high away from the field. They screwed the fans w/ PSLs aqnd this is a backlash of that, nothing else and we will be sold out unlike your team.

WVDolphan
08-09-2012, 10:29 AM
You really shouldn't discuss ticket sales. The jets have been sold out since the 70s, w/ the new Stadium and PSLs they have turend off a lot of old STH's and the $50 seats are some of the worst in the league as you are a mile high away from the field. They screwed the fans w/ PSLs aqnd this is a backlash of that, nothing else and we will be sold out unlike your team.

Its not looking like you will. A sportwriter who I forget his name, tweeted about the Jets calling him trying to sell tickets and when he told the person on the phone he was a sportswriter the Jets employee responded "good, then you should know a lot of people that you can get the word out to that we have tickets".

This is in NY City, not Miami. The Jets are on sports shows 24/7 thanks to Tebow and the complete circus they have going on. Despite those two facts, they still cant sell tickets. :lol:

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I do notice of all things you wanted to dispute there it was ticket sales. :lol: No challenge coming from you about how horrible your offense and team in general will be this season. Good move there.

nyjunc
08-09-2012, 10:47 AM
I didn't make it that far down your post to counter the other nonsense.

Tunaphish429
08-09-2012, 10:50 AM
I was just in cortland yesterday...**** THE JETS!!!!! Anyway..now that I got that out of my system.. I really dont give a damn about ticket sales..Its not my money..All tho I would like to see some support for my fins of course..

WVDolphan
08-09-2012, 03:23 PM
I didn't make it that far down your post to counter the other nonsense.

Because you cant. How are the Jets going to score? How are they going to run the ball? Who do the Jets have aside from Keller and Holmes who can make a play?

nyjunc
08-09-2012, 03:40 PM
Because you cant. How are the Jets going to score? How are they going to run the ball? Who do the Jets have aside from Keller and Holmes who can make a play?

shouldn't you worry about how you guys will score?

SpurzN703
08-09-2012, 05:40 PM
shouldn't you worry about how you guys will score?

What do the Dolphins have to do with WV's point? Answer his questions

DisturbedShifty
08-09-2012, 06:13 PM
What do the Dolphins have to do with WV's point? Answer his questions

Come on Phinz, you should know by now that Junc answers WITH questions.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

WVDolphan
08-09-2012, 07:34 PM
shouldn't you worry about how you guys will score?

I definately worry about how we will generate offense, especially if Philbin decides to roll David Garrard out there.

However, as a phins fan Im much more confident in our ability to score a few points with out dominant OL and strong rushing attack than I am the Jets who completely lack talent of any kind on offense aside from a couple of their OLmen, a disgruntled WR, and a good pass catching TE.

The phins offense is also designed by a couple of men who have had success running offenses before. The Jets on the other hand have their offense ran by..... TONY SPARANO. :lol:

nyjunc
08-10-2012, 08:43 AM
What do the Dolphins have to do with WV's point? Answer his questions

You guys always complain about trolling, the original post is clearly a troll post and you want me to respond? Ok.

Better OL.
Brick had a down year, I wouldn't expect that again.
Mangold is healthy(only healthy a few games last year)
Moore is healthy(not healthy first half of season)
Slauson healthy, played on badly injured shoulder that needed surgery in offseason
Can Hunter be as bad as he was last year?

Ground and pounf: it's not that we will run 60/40 but it's a philosophy.

Hill & Schilens- gives jets 2 deep threats- 2 more than a year ago and will open things up underneath for Holmes

Sanchez- having his best camp, entering year 4.

Our offense will be better than last year

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I definately worry about how we will generate offense, especially if Philbin decides to roll David Garrard out there.

However, as a phins fan Im much more confident in our ability to score a few points with out dominant OL and strong rushing attack than I am the Jets who completely lack talent of any kind on offense aside from a couple of their OLmen, a disgruntled WR, and a good pass catching TE.

The phins offense is also designed by a couple of men who have had success running offenses before. The Jets on the other hand have their offense ran by..... TONY SPARANO. :lol:

We have a better QB, better OL, better WRs, better TE. RBs are about even but you have a great pass catcher out of the backfield which we don't have. You have one edge- congrats!

Sparano is NOT our HC, you guys need to realize Hcs are more conservative than OC/DCs.

SpurzN703
08-10-2012, 09:54 AM
You guys always complain about trolling, the original post is clearly a troll post and you want me to respond? Ok.

Better OL.
Brick had a down year, I wouldn't expect that again.
Mangold is healthy(only healthy a few games last year)
Moore is healthy(not healthy first half of season)
Slauson healthy, played on badly injured shoulder that needed surgery in offseason
Can Hunter be as bad as he was last year?

Ground and pounf: it's not that we will run 60/40 but it's a philosophy.

Hill & Schilens- gives jets 2 deep threats- 2 more than a year ago and will open things up underneath for Holmes

Sanchez- having his best camp, entering year 4.

Our offense will be better than last year

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We have a better QB, better OL, better WRs, better TE. RBs are about even but you have a great pass catcher out of the backfield which we don't have. You have one edge- congrats!

Sparano is NOT our HC, you guys need to realize Hcs are more conservative than OC/DCs.

Good! Now, WV, your response please....

:lol:

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Come on Phinz, you should know by now that Junc answers WITH questions.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Is he Steve Carrell in 40 Year Old Virgin?

BleedinGreenNC
08-10-2012, 10:30 AM
I watch a lot of the NY sports networks,(SNY, YES) and when doing so I see a ton of commercials for the Jets trying real hard to sell tickets. They are trying to get rid of season tickets for dirt cheap. No one is buying them. They cant even sell out in the biggest metropolitan area in the world:lol:. They even have the draw of Tim Tebow who brings in rich Christians who arent even football fans.

The Jets are going to be terrible this year and everyone knows it. If you guys get a chance you should watch/listen to Francesa's show in the afternoons. You can find it streaming online at wfan or itunes and on tv on the Yes network. Listening to him hammer on the Jets and have their fans call in trying to defend them is solid gold. Half of their own fans will call and bash them too. Its great.

The Jets offense is attrotious. I thought we had a lack of talent at skill positions. Look at the Jets roster. Outsides of Holmes, who is a punk, and Dustin Keller, they have nobody who can make a play or threaten a defense. They are counting on a rookie at WR to give them a boost. Its hillarious they want to ground and pound and yet the only RB they have is Greene who has proven he cant carry the load. Their OL is total garbage. How in the hell are they going to run the ball. The capper is they have TONY SPARANO running the offense. :crazy::lol: They are not going to be able to score at all. Their OL will be a revolving door of total sieves.(sp?) With no running backs worth anything, bad QB play, a terrible OL, and nobody who can get open that has a good attitude, this could be one of the worst offenses in history.

The Jets are in for a terrible season. Its going to be great. Their defense is highly overrated as well. And once you put all the pressure on those guys, they are going to fold. Even Revis is complaining going into the season about his contract again. This is a total recipe for disaster. Tebowmania, Sanchez, Holmes' attitude, chaotic fights in camp, Rex losing control and running his mouth, Revis disgruntled, Tony Sparano, and a roster completely void of offensive talent = epic implosion. :tubes:
Solid Gold folks.

See Rex wanted to bring in Tebow and pretend he could run it. I will tell you now Rex likes the idea of his offense being totally challenged and not capable of scoring. You see Rex wants it to be all about him. He dosent just want to win, he wants to win the way the Ravens did back in the day. He wants the Jets to win the whole thing without being able to score and his defense dominating its way to a title. That way he can talk about what a defensive genius he is. Too bad for him his defense blows. He dosent have the talent that Baltimore had. No way this team can pull that off. Revis is not going to make a whole defense. They dont have a consistant enough pass rush. They cant get consistant pressure without blitzing and even then they dont always get to the QB. Its going to be a long season for the Jets.

And to cap it off, the phins are a way better team. Much tougher at the LOS. Both teams lack skills position talent, but the phins have the better defense and a way better OL. We are going to smash the **** out of the Jets TWICE. Book it.


Ticket sales?

WVDolphan
08-12-2012, 04:45 PM
You guys always complain about trolling, the original post is clearly a troll post and you want me to respond? Ok.

Better OL.
Brick had a down year, I wouldn't expect that again.
Mangold is healthy(only healthy a few games last year)
Moore is healthy(not healthy first half of season)
Slauson healthy, played on badly injured shoulder that needed surgery in offseason
Can Hunter be as bad as he was last year?

Ground and pounf: it's not that we will run 60/40 but it's a philosophy.

Hill & Schilens- gives jets 2 deep threats- 2 more than a year ago and will open things up underneath for Holmes

Sanchez- having his best camp, entering year 4.

Our offense will be better than last year

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We have a better QB, better OL, better WRs, better TE. RBs are about even but you have a great pass catcher out of the backfield which we don't have. You have one edge- congrats!

Sparano is NOT our HC, you guys need to realize Hcs are more conservative than OC/DCs.

Your OL is complete trash as evident the other night. There wouldve been a couple more sacks had Sanchez been in as opposed to Tebow who escaped a couple of times.

All you have is Brick and Mangold on the OL. The rest of your guys are total turnstiles. Blame it on injuries all you want. Can whats his face be as bad as last year..... yea. why not? I know he cant possibly be worst.


You WR corps is a complete joke. The only proven one you have that is any good is also a huge crybaby who could quit at any moment in a game. You better hope that rookie is a solid player right away. If not, you basically have one player at that position.

Your RBs are total garbage. Shonn Greene has never done anything as a featured back. He had a DECENT season as Thomas Jones' caddy. It really wasnt even decent he just happened to have a big run in that playoff game. Last year he did NOTHING for you as your lead guy. Behind him you have exactly NOBODY. Yet, with a terrible OL and no RBs to speak of youre banking on being ground and pound?

When you cant run the ball this year and you have no playmakers in the passing game, its going to be impossible to throw the ball as well. Especially when Sanchez is on the ground every other attempt.

Combine all of that with Tony Sparano running your offense and you will be lucky to find the endzone more than once ever other game. Real talk.

TedSlimmJr
08-12-2012, 05:03 PM
Mark Sanchez throwing 26 TD's last year with that group of receivers was the most impressive feat by any quarterback in the league last year. I guarantee he'd throw 35 TD's if he had a receiver like Calvin Johnson.

Give Matthew Stafford Sanchez's group of receivers and I doubt he'd throw 26 TD's.

WVDolphan
08-12-2012, 06:16 PM
Mark Sanchez throwing 26 TD's last year with that group of receivers was the most impressive feat by any quarterback in the league last year. I guarantee he'd throw 35 TD's if he had a receiver like Calvin Johnson.

Give Matthew Stafford Sanchez's group of receivers and I doubt he'd throw 26 TD's.

Sanchez is a lot better than some people make him out to be. And although I hate saying it(Junc DO NOT READ THIS NEXT PART!!!) Ive witnessed the guy make some big time throws when the chips were down. That Houston game he made a couple real nice plays to win the game late. Too bad he has nothing at the skill positions to work with and his OL couldnt stop a kitten from getting to a bowl of milk. Their offense is going to be a laughing stock this season.

truthbtold
08-12-2012, 11:41 PM
a Dolphin fan talking **** about the Jets offense is hysterical.
there's a VERY good chance Miami will have the worst offense in the league.

Our offense has the 3rd most productive TE in the conference, a former SB MVP, 2 pro bowl O-linemen, a guy who rushed for over 1,000 yards last season, a QB who passed and ran for 32 TD's last season and a 250 LB Wildcat QB. With a defense sure to be in the top 5, We'll score more than enough points to win games.

Other than Bess who is decent, your WR's are a complete joke. Maybe you can pick up Lee Evans off the scrap heap, and he'd be the best receiver on your roster. You're relying on an injury prone Reggie Bush to carry the load for another year (good luck with that) and you'll be asking a rookie or a career backup to lead that mess. There's not a person outside of Miami who doesn't expect the Dolphins to be god awful this season, and they'll probably go 0-6 in the division. with the possible exception of meaningless garbage time, the Dolphins offense probably won't score more than 10 points against us in either game.

nyjunc
08-13-2012, 08:43 AM
Your OL is complete trash as evident the other night. There wouldve been a couple more sacks had Sanchez been in as opposed to Tebow who escaped a couple of times.

All you have is Brick and Mangold on the OL. The rest of your guys are total turnstiles. Blame it on injuries all you want. Can whats his face be as bad as last year..... yea. why not? I know he cant possibly be worst.


You WR corps is a complete joke. The only proven one you have that is any good is also a huge crybaby who could quit at any moment in a game. You better hope that rookie is a solid player right away. If not, you basically have one player at that position.

Your RBs are total garbage. Shonn Greene has never done anything as a featured back. He had a DECENT season as Thomas Jones' caddy. It really wasnt even decent he just happened to have a big run in that playoff game. Last year he did NOTHING for you as your lead guy. Behind him you have exactly NOBODY. Yet, with a terrible OL and no RBs to speak of youre banking on being ground and pound?

When you cant run the ball this year and you have no playmakers in the passing game, its going to be impossible to throw the ball as well. Especially when Sanchez is on the ground every other attempt.

Combine all of that with Tony Sparano running your offense and you will be lucky to find the endzone more than once ever other game. Real talk.

Yes, as we all know preseason(especially preseason game 1 where starters play a seris or 2) tells us everything we need to know:lol:


Mark Sanchez throwing 26 TD's last year with that group of receivers was the most impressive feat by any quarterback in the league last year. I guarantee he'd throw 35 TD's if he had a receiver like Calvin Johnson.

Give Matthew Stafford Sanchez's group of receivers and I doubt he'd throw 26 TD's.

I'm shocked someone says something positive about Mark on this board.

J. David Wannyheimer
08-13-2012, 10:57 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/pettine-confirms-that-jets-want-wildcat-to-dilute-prep-time/

So the Jets traded 2 draft picks and brought in Tebow for a QB controversy because they want opposing teams to have to waste time preparing for the Wildcat?

Yeah, that worked out so well for Miami the last couple of years, didn't it? Sparano is the dumbest coach in the NFL.

SpurzN703
08-13-2012, 11:49 AM
a Dolphin fan talking **** about the Jets offense is hysterical.
there's a VERY good chance Miami will have the worst offense in the league.

Our offense has the 3rd most productive TE in the conference, a former SB MVP, 2 pro bowl O-linemen, a guy who rushed for over 1,000 yards last season, a QB who passed and ran for 32 TD's last season and a 250 LB Wildcat QB. With a defense sure to be in the top 5, We'll score more than enough points to win games.

Other than Bess who is decent, your WR's are a complete joke. Maybe you can pick up Lee Evans off the scrap heap, and he'd be the best receiver on your roster. You're relying on an injury prone Reggie Bush to carry the load for another year (good luck with that) and you'll be asking a rookie or a career backup to lead that mess. There's not a person outside of Miami who doesn't expect the Dolphins to be god awful this season, and they'll probably go 0-6 in the division. with the possible exception of meaningless garbage time, the Dolphins offense probably won't score more than 10 points against us in either game.

You do realize it's possible to be a fan of a ****ty team and still talk **** about another team right?

JETSJETSJETS
08-13-2012, 01:00 PM
Wow. All these haters after a preseason game? Seriously? New Orlean Saints scored 6 against New England Partiots 7 points. Does that mean they suck too and will be amongst the worst teams in the NFL?

Its a pre season game for god sake. Teams make up game plans according to their needs, not according to the oppositions strength and weaknesses. How many times have we seen a team go undefeated in pre season and then stink it up in regular season, and vice versa? The Jags beat the SB Champs Giants for god sake.

SpurzN703
08-13-2012, 01:27 PM
Wow. All these haters after a preseason game? Seriously? New Orlean Saints scored 6 against New England Partiots 7 points. Does that mean they suck too and will be amongst the worst teams in the NFL?

Its a pre season game for god sake. Teams make up game plans according to their needs, not according to the oppositions strength and weaknesses. How many times have we seen a team go undefeated in pre season and then stink it up in regular season, and vice versa? The Jags beat the SB Champs Giants for god sake.

I'd bet that the haters never even saw the Jets first preseason game

nyjunc
08-13-2012, 01:39 PM
I'd bet that the haters never even saw the Jets first preseason game

I love when people get worked up over preseason games- either positively or negatively. For me all I care about is coming out of preseason healthy. The other stuff is meaningless. I think when I really learned preseason doesn't matter was a teenager in 1992 when we went 5-0 w/ browning Nagle as our starting QB then won 4 games total in the 16 reg season games.

TheWalrus
08-13-2012, 02:02 PM
Mark Sanchez throwing 26 TD's last year with that group of receivers was the most impressive feat by any quarterback in the league last year. I guarantee he'd throw 35 TD's if he had a receiver like Calvin Johnson.

Give Matthew Stafford Sanchez's group of receivers and I doubt he'd throw 26 TD's.

Yikes. Still holding on to that pre-draft evaluation with all your might, aren't you?

SpurzN703
08-13-2012, 02:04 PM
I love when people get worked up over preseason games- either positively or negatively. For me all I care about is coming out of preseason healthy. The other stuff is meaningless. I think when I really learned preseason doesn't matter was a teenager in 1992 when we went 5-0 w/ browning Nagle as our starting QB then won 4 games total in the 16 reg season games.

I know. I don't think WV was talking about the preseason though. He briefly mentioned it but most of his rant was towards the Jets of the last few years.

WVDolphan
08-13-2012, 09:53 PM
I know. I don't think WV was talking about the preseason though. He briefly mentioned it but most of his rant was towards the Jets of the last few years.

Somebody gets it.

Well, Im sure Junc gets it too, he just likes throwing up that stupid defense of "its only a preseason game".

Nobody gives a **** about what happened in that preseason game the other night. Not what Im talking about.

What Im talking about is looking up and down your roster and seeing that it ****ing BLOWS. Im looking at your mouth breather HC who loves to talk about "ground and pound" and seeing that you dont have a RB on your roster worth much of a **** outside of Greene who is mediocre at best and injury prone. The guy is a good complementary back. He isnt a workhorse.

Im looking at your OL that was total **** last season and looks to be again. There have been absolutely NO IMPROVEMENTS.

Im looking at the fact you lost a big time WR and have absolutely NOTHING behind Holmes who is a ticking time bomb.

Im looking at the fact your team is planning to throw Tim Tebow into the mix at QB for reasons that make no sense at all other than to **** up your starting QB that for some reason your fans and coaches love to **** all over despite the fact he is one of the few talents you actually have.

And the biggest key Im looking at is you brought in TONY SPARANO to run the whole ****ing thing. EPIC DISASTER. Your OL was already bad. Trust me, wait to you get Tony in there turning the screws. Your untalented lineman wont know where the **** they are going to play week to week.

You add all of this up and it equals a colossal failure on offense.

Your defense was decent but highly overrated. If it werent for Revis, your defense would get lit up week to week. There is no consistant QB pressure even when blitzing on the reg. You make the offense worse than it was last season and all of the sudden it puts even more pressure on that defense to perform. The terrible offense will in turn make your defense even worse.

Its a recipe for a 4 or 5 win season. I cant ****ing wait.

P.S. Whoever said something about Keller being the 3rd best TE in the conference...... GET REAL. I think you meant 3rd best TE in the division. Gronk and Hernandez..... no argument. No way Keller is better than Antonio Gates. Also, dont sleep on the production Clay might have for us this season in the passing game. Dustin Keller is a good player, but settle down. He isnt going to carry your whole offense and make them a real threat to score 30 a game.

**** the Jests. Im out.

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 07:56 AM
Somebody gets it.

Well, Im sure Junc gets it too, he just likes throwing up that stupid defense of "its only a preseason game".

Nobody gives a **** about what happened in that preseason game the other night. Not what Im talking about.

What Im talking about is looking up and down your roster and seeing that it ****ing BLOWS. Im looking at your mouth breather HC who loves to talk about "ground and pound" and seeing that you dont have a RB on your roster worth much of a **** outside of Greene who is mediocre at best and injury prone. The guy is a good complementary back. He isnt a workhorse.

Im looking at your OL that was total **** last season and looks to be again. There have been absolutely NO IMPROVEMENTS.

Im looking at the fact you lost a big time WR and have absolutely NOTHING behind Holmes who is a ticking time bomb.

Im looking at the fact your team is planning to throw Tim Tebow into the mix at QB for reasons that make no sense at all other than to **** up your starting QB that for some reason your fans and coaches love to **** all over despite the fact he is one of the few talents you actually have.

And the biggest key Im looking at is you brought in TONY SPARANO to run the whole ****ing thing. EPIC DISASTER. Your OL was already bad. Trust me, wait to you get Tony in there turning the screws. Your untalented lineman wont know where the **** they are going to play week to week.

You add all of this up and it equals a colossal failure on offense.

Your defense was decent but highly overrated. If it werent for Revis, your defense would get lit up week to week. There is no consistant QB pressure even when blitzing on the reg. You make the offense worse than it was last season and all of the sudden it puts even more pressure on that defense to perform. The terrible offense will in turn make your defense even worse.

Its a recipe for a 4 or 5 win season. I cant ****ing wait.

P.S. Whoever said something about Keller being the 3rd best TE in the conference...... GET REAL. I think you meant 3rd best TE in the division. Gronk and Hernandez..... no argument. No way Keller is better than Antonio Gates. Also, dont sleep on the production Clay might have for us this season in the passing game. Dustin Keller is a good player, but settle down. He isnt going to carry your whole offense and make them a real threat to score 30 a game.

**** the Jests. Im out.

Yet up and down the roster we are better are nearly every position than you guys so if we suck what does that say about Miami?


You are basing the look of our Ol on 2 series in the 1st preseason game
You are basing the WRs w/o our top 2 returning guys playing on 2 series in the 1st preseason game

Tebow isn't going to play QB, he's going to be our WC guy, he's going to run out of base sets, he will be on STs,...- he's a weapon and we plan to use that weapon.

Tony Sparano was nevre your OC, did you know that highly respected offensive mind Sean payton wanted to bring Tony to NO to be his OC?

Our OL was mediocre to bad LAST year, it will be better this year.

Our D was not great last year, it was mediocre but Rex is back to calling the D(he didn't last year), we added another young DL, speed at LB, a slimmed down Scott, the return of Thomas, upgraded the safeties. This could be the best D we have had under rex.


I would bet anything I have we won't have a 4-5 win season barring losing half the team to injuries by week 4.

Keller is the 3rd best TE in the division, I don't know where he ranks in the conference and I don't care. he's a productive guy for us and will help this offense be a mid of the pack O which is all we need w/ our D.

JCane
08-14-2012, 08:05 AM
Yet up and down the roster we are better are nearly every position than you guys so if we suck what does that say about Miami?

Uh, doesn't say anything if your coach can't do much with it.

Sounds to me like the Jets will rely heavily on the Tebow and the Wildcat.

Rex doesn't get it. That ground and pound bull**** isn't going to work. "We have to get back to running the football."

Good luck with that in a pass-happy league designed for big yards thru the air.

Rex reminds me of the 50+ year-old hippie guy with the pony tail smoking pot with all the young kids at the Nickeback show. Still wearing his faded Rush t-shirt from his 20's.

That Wildcat is hot trash. Yeah, it was cool for a minute or two and you can fool some teams here and there with it if you catch them off guard. But we wore out its welcome.

But you can't rely on it to be and large part of your offense. I'm not saying that the Jets will use the Wildcat more than half the time, but I think they're going to run it too much. The Jets are WASTING Mark Sanchez. They've shown no faith in him since drafting him and you keep telling us how he's just as good as two-time Super Bowl champion, Eli the great Manning.

But please, carry on with your stories of how the Jets made the playoffs or something.

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 08:15 AM
Uh, doesn't say anything if your coach can't do much with it.

Sounds to me like the Jets will rely heavily on the Tebow and the Wildcat.

Rex doesn't get it. That ground and pound bull**** isn't going to work. "We have to get back to running the football."

Good luck with that in a pass-happy league designed for big yards thru the air.

Rex reminds me of the 50+ year-old hippie guy with the pony tail smoking pot with all the young kids at the Nickeback show. Still wearing his faded Rush t-shirt from his 20's.

That Wildcat is hot trash. Yeah, it was cool for a minute or two and you can fool some teams here and there with it if you catch them off guard. But we wore out its welcome.

But you can't rely on it to be and large part of your offense. I'm not saying that the Jets will use the Wildcat more than half the time, but I think they're going to run it too much. The Jets are WASTING Mark Sanchez. They've shown no faith in him since drafting him and you keep telling us how he's just as good as two-time Super Bowl champion, Eli the great Manning.

But please, carry on with your stories of how the Jets made the playoffs or something.

Running teams have been in title games the last 3 years and the difference in those games wasn't the pass games(except for maybe our game vs. Indy in '09).

We will not be running the WC all the time but Tebow will be a big part of our team.

Sanchez is having his best camp, he's going to have a good year and Tebow will help.

Kinzua
08-14-2012, 08:45 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/pettine-confirms-that-jets-want-wildcat-to-dilute-prep-time/

So the Jets traded 2 draft picks and brought in Tebow for a QB controversy because they want opposing teams to have to waste time preparing for the Wildcat?

Yeah, that worked out so well for Miami the last couple of years, didn't it? Sparano is the dumbest coach in the NFL.

I think the Jests need smarter coaches and/or smarter players:
Pettine knows from experience. He told Mehta that, when the Jets prepared to face Tebow’s Broncos in 2011, the Jets spent so much time getting ready to defend Tebow’s read-option that there wasn’t enough time to practice defending the two-minute drill.

The Pats, Bills, and Chiefs didn't seem to have that problem. :sidelol:

Kinzua
08-14-2012, 09:09 AM
Yet up and down the roster we are better are nearly every position than you guys so if we suck what does that say about Miami?

My, my ... that's an accomplishment to crow about. :sidelol:

I'm sure that the Fins are aiming slightly higher than being "better" than the Jests.

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 09:11 AM
My, my ... that's an accomplishment to crow about. :sidelol:

I'm sure that the Fins are aiming slightly higher than being "better" than the Jests.

we are better almost everywhere than your team too and we have a QB & HC combo that has won in january- you have a QB that road the coattails of the end of a dynasty to 2 playoff apps but he has zero playoff wins and your QB has never played a big game in dec let alone winning one in January.

JCane
08-14-2012, 09:33 AM
Rex Ryan's offensive philosophy right here.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/28KGrHqJ21pIEz7CyBeIBP8dcY21293w7E7E60_5-1.jpg

Kinzua
08-14-2012, 10:31 AM
we are better almost everywhere than your team too and we have a QB & HC combo that has won in january- you have a QB that road the coattails of the end of a dynasty to 2 playoff apps but he has zero playoff wins and your QB has never played a big game in dec let alone winning one in January.

Really??? Again, you set that bar so high ... I got news for you, Junc, the Bills are aiming a whole lot higher than the Jets. They didn't pay $100 million for Mario Williams because of Mark Sanchez ...

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 10:43 AM
Really??? Again, you set that bar so high ... I got news for you, Junc, the Bills are aiming a whole lot higher than the Jets. They didn't pay $100 million for Mario Williams because of Mark Sanchez ...

I didn't say we were aiming beneath us at Buf and Mia but you guys want to criticize a better team w/o looking in the mirror.

They overpaid $100 mil to try to make them relevant again, good luck w/ that.

Kinzua
08-14-2012, 11:30 AM
I didn't say we were aiming beneath us at Buf and Mia but you guys want to criticize a better team w/o looking in the mirror.

They overpaid $100 mil to try to make them relevant again, good luck w/ that.

The Bills overpaid for one of the dominant DEs in the NFL? I guess being a Jests fan, you'd know all about overpaying since the Jests overpaid for a mediocre QB and mediocre discontented diva of a WR. :sidelol:

Marcell Dareus ... #3 pick ... Mario Williams ... $100 million deal ... making Tom Brady dread Bills games .... PRICELESS!!!

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 11:35 AM
The Bills overpaid for one of the dominant DEs in the NFL? I guess being a Jests fan, you'd know all about overpaying since the Jests overpaid for a mediocre QB and mediocre discontented diva of a WR. :sidelol:

Marcell Dareus ... #3 pick ... Mario Williams ... $100 million deal ... making Tom Brady dread Bills games .... PRICELESS!!!

You don't know what dominant if you think he's a dominat player. A "dominat" pass rusher w/ just 2 double digit sack seasons in 6 years, a "dominant" player that has never helped elevate his D among the top 10 or helped his team reach postseason.

The medciore QB and WR helped us w/in a few ps of the Super Bowl. The QB and DE you overpaid for have never played in a playoff game.

Mario makes your D much better w/o a doubt but he's not a dominant player- he never has been. Maybe he will be in Buffalo? but that's an awful lot of money to throw out at a guy who hasn't been dominant.

JETSJETSJETS
08-14-2012, 01:40 PM
Really??? Again, you set that bar so high ... I got news for you, Junc, the Bills are aiming a whole lot higher than the Jets. They didn't pay $100 million for Mario Williams because of Mark Sanchez ...

Lol, they'be been aiming that for over a decade now. And you overpaid for Mario Williams 22 sacks in the last three seasons. Thats almost $5mil a sack over last three years. Congrats!

JETSJETSJETS
08-14-2012, 01:46 PM
The Bills overpaid for one of the dominant DEs in the NFL? I guess being a Jests fan, you'd know all about overpaying since the Jests overpaid for a mediocre QB and mediocre discontented diva of a WR. :sidelol:

Marcell Dareus ... #3 pick ... Mario Williams ... $100 million deal ... making Tom Brady dread Bills games .... PRICELESS!!!

Lol, Bills fan talking about overpaying mediocre QB. You do remember you guys paid a mediocre QB $62 mil after a couple of good games. A QB that doesn't know what it feels like playing in January, or even being in contention in December.

Thanks for Maybin by the way.

ChambersWI
08-14-2012, 02:48 PM
well, Mike&Mike, Colin Cowherd, and the SVP Show have all been taking shots at the Jets this training camp and they're normally very pro Jets so something is up.

I don't know what the Jets are going to be this year, and honestly I don't care until we play them. Much like every team in the division (including the Pats), the Jets have some glaring weaknesses. The Pats are the one team in the division that for sure has the talent on offense to significantly mask their weaknesses.

FinsNCanes
08-14-2012, 03:01 PM
You really shouldn't discuss ticket sales. The jets have been sold out since the 70s, w/ the new Stadium and PSLs they have turend off a lot of old STH's and the $50 seats are some of the worst in the league as you are a mile high away from the field. They screwed the fans w/ PSLs aqnd this is a backlash of that, nothing else and we will be sold out unlike your team.

Can't really compare NY to Miami. If like .000000000000000000000000000000001 percent show up to the game you should be able to sell out. Miami does need to move their stadium elsewhere though within Florida.

You really can't be excited about having Sparano as your OC and Tebow as your soon to be starting quarterback.

nyjunc
08-14-2012, 03:06 PM
well, Mike&Mike, Colin Cowherd, and the SVP Show have all been taking shots at the Jets this training camp and they're normally very pro Jets so something is up.

I don't know what the Jets are going to be this year, and honestly I don't care until we play them. Much like every team in the division (including the Pats), the Jets have some glaring weaknesses. The Pats are the one team in the division that for sure has the talent on offense to significantly mask their weaknesses.

when are they normally pro jets outside of Mike Greenberg?


Can't really compare NY to Miami. If like .000000000000000000000000000000001 percent show up to the game you should be able to sell out. Miami does need to move their stadium elsewhere though within Florida.

You really can't be excited about having Sparano as your OC and Tebow as your soon to be starting quarterback.

We have been sold out since the 70s, we had a 30,000 season ticket waiting list before PSLs. Don't confuse that w/ lack of fan interest and I don't want to hear the NY vs. Miami excuses. There are a million things to do in NY, a million more teams competing for the entertainment dollar and millions of people not from NY who live here who have no idea what a football is. Miami has more than enough people in South Florida to fill that Stadium every week but the usually fail to do so.

I'm very excited, I can't wait for the season and I expect to be back among the AFC elite.

SpurzN703
08-14-2012, 08:59 PM
Yet up and down the roster we are better are nearly every position than you guys so if we suck what does that say about Miami?

No one is talking about the Dolphins. WV's point has nothing to do with "our" team. The Jets can be bad with Miami (if that was reality).

WVDolphan
08-14-2012, 09:17 PM
when are they normally pro jets outside of Mike Greenberg?



We have been sold out since the 70s, we had a 30,000 season ticket waiting list before PSLs. Don't confuse that w/ lack of fan interest and I don't want to hear the NY vs. Miami excuses. There are a million things to do in NY, a million more teams competing for the entertainment dollar and millions of people not from NY who live here who have no idea what a football is. Miami has more than enough people in South Florida to fill that Stadium every week but the usually fail to do so.

I'm very excited, I can't wait for the season and I expect to be back among the AFC elite.

:lol:

MadDog 88
08-17-2012, 05:11 AM
You guys always complain about trolling, the original post is clearly a troll post and you want me to respond? Ok.

Better OL.
Brick had a down year, I wouldn't expect that again.
Mangold is healthy(only healthy a few games last year)
Moore is healthy(not healthy first half of season)
Slauson healthy, played on badly injured shoulder that needed surgery in offseason
Can Hunter be as bad as he was last year?

Ground and pounf: it's not that we will run 60/40 but it's a philosophy.

Hill & Schilens- gives jets 2 deep threats- 2 more than a year ago and will open things up underneath for Holmes

Sanchez- having his best camp, entering year 4.

Our offense will be better than last year

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We have a better QB, better OL, better WRs, better TE. RBs are about even but you have a great pass catcher out of the backfield which we don't have. You have one edge- congrats!

Sparano is NOT our HC, you guys need to realize Hcs are more conservative than OC/DCs.
According to Manesh, Sanchez and Tebow are having horrible camps. Both are under 53% in 11 on 11 and have more Int's then TDs.

Hill and Schilens have done nothing and you can't use them in the equation. It's as ridiculous as any Fin fan saying Fuller, Matthews, Cunningham or Miller will accomplish anything.

Kinzua
08-17-2012, 07:42 AM
According to Manesh, Sanchez and Tebow are having horrible camps. Both are under 53% in 11 on 11 and have more Int's then TDs.

Hill and Schilens have done nothing and you can't use them in the equation. It's as ridiculous as any Fin fan saying Fuller, Matthews, Cunningham or Miller will accomplish anything.

Schilens has been injured (shocker!) just about all TC. He's in serious danger of being cut. So much for that big "upgrade" at WR.

nyjunc
08-17-2012, 08:12 AM
According to Manesh, Sanchez and Tebow are having horrible camps. Both are under 53% in 11 on 11 and have more Int's then TDs.

Hill and Schilens have done nothing and you can't use them in the equation. It's as ridiculous as any Fin fan saying Fuller, Matthews, Cunningham or Miller will accomplish anything.

Actually according to all the beat writers Sanchez has had a great camp. He posted #s but who cares about #s in praactice? #s in games don't tell us the whole story and you want to post practice #s? what other team do you get practice #s for?

Hill & Schilens may not be good players yet but they are deep threats which is something we lacked a year ago.

herndonsr
08-17-2012, 08:13 AM
the jets suck and there fans too!!!!!! tony cant run an off in the nfl

WVDolphan
08-18-2012, 08:33 PM
Jets have the worst offense in the league.

Sanchez is 9 for 11, but averaging barely over 5 yards per attempt with 59 yards. Throw in a pick 6 and 3 sacks..... he's terrible.

The Jests OL is a joke like I was saying. Wayne Hunter could be the worst starting lineman in the league. Their WR group is almost as bad as ours. This offense is going to be horrible all year.

TONY SPARANO is up to his old tricks. Jets took a timeout after a timeout in the 1st Qtr... :lol: Tony Sparano. :lol:

Anytime you think our offense is bad.... just think about the Jests.

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Sanchez actually looked pretty good, the team had a ton of penalties to stall drives and the pass protection(RT) was terrible but when he has a little bit of time he's throwing it well. If we can improve at RT we'll be fine.

13ktownguy
08-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Sanchez actually looked pretty good, the team had a ton of penalties to stall drives and the pass protection(RT) was terrible but when he has a little bit of time he's throwing it well. If we can improve at RT we'll be fine.

Ya sure looks like you're ready to make that step to the elite team that you thought you were. lol

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 11:50 AM
Ya sure looks like you're ready to make that step to the elite team that you thought you were. lol

as we know preseason tells us everything wich is how the Giants won the SB a year ago after their 1st team O was brutal in preseason.

Kinzua
08-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Sanchez actually looked pretty good, the team had a ton of penalties to stall drives and the pass protection(RT) was terrible but when he has a little bit of time he's throwing it well. If we can improve at RT we'll be fine.

:sidelol: Yeah, he finally threw a TD pass!!! :sidelol: Too bad it was for the Gnats!!! :sidelol:

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 12:10 PM
:sidelol: Yeah, he finally threw a TD pass!!! :sidelol: Too bad it was for the Gnats!!! :sidelol:

Wait, YOU are laughing and taking preseason serious when your vaunted D was gashed by Christian Ponder and an Adrian Peterson-less Viking team? and your O was basically as bad against a much worse D. Seriously?

13ktownguy
08-20-2012, 12:10 PM
as we know preseason tells us everything wich is how the Giants won the SB a year ago after their 1st team O was brutal in preseason.
True but the Giants have an elite Qb and a scary defense which you dont have. oh ya they got recievers too!

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 12:12 PM
True but the Giants have an elite Qb and a scary defense which you dont have. oh ya they got recievers too!

They don't have an elite QB, our D is scary and yeah w/ multiple WRs out including our best our WRs didn't look very good.

13ktownguy
08-20-2012, 12:21 PM
Wait, YOU are laughing and taking preseason serious when your vaunted D was gashed by Christian Ponder and an Adrian Peterson-less Viking team? and your O was basically as bad against a much worse D. Seriously?

The difference here is he's not shooting his mouth off about how great his team ,nor are the Dolphin fans. He's merely laughing at you through your team. I think you should remove yourself from this board and spend some time with your comic-book collection.

13ktownguy
08-20-2012, 12:25 PM
They don't have an elite QB, our D is scary and yeah w/ multiple WRs out including our best our WRs didn't look very good.

Geez dont cry!!

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 12:41 PM
The difference here is he's not shooting his mouth off about how great his team ,nor are the Dolphin fans. He's merely laughing at you through your team. I think you should remove yourself from this board and spend some time with your comic-book collection.

Please go back and show me the posts where told you how great we will be?

you should remove yourself from this board and get some help w/ reading comprehension.

CalDolFan1014
08-20-2012, 01:11 PM
Sanchez actually looked pretty good, the team had a ton of penalties to stall drives and the pass protection(RT) was terrible but when he has a little bit of time he's throwing it well. If we can improve at RT we'll be fine.

It's easy to look pretty good when he's averaging 6 yards per pass completion.

Vaark
08-20-2012, 01:37 PM
They don't have an elite QB, our D is scary and yeah w/ multiple WRs out including our best our WRs didn't look very good.

"Oh the weather outside is frightful, but in your head it's so delightful....."

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/03/nqpik8-1.jpg

nyjunc
08-20-2012, 02:22 PM
"Oh the weather outside is frightful, but in your head it's so delightful....."



http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/2qvrzn8-1.jpg

Vaark
08-20-2012, 03:02 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/10/9jdg2a-1.jpg

WVDolphan
08-20-2012, 08:14 PM
They don't have an elite QB, our D is scary and yeah w/ multiple WRs out including our best our WRs didn't look very good.

:err:

MadDog 88
08-20-2012, 11:56 PM
Actually according to all the beat writers Sanchez has had a great camp. He posted #s but who cares about #s in praactice? #s in games don't tell us the whole story and you want to post practice #s? what other team do you get practice #s for?

Hill & Schilens may not be good players yet but they are deep threats which is something we lacked a year ago.
I am just repeating what Manesh said. He was tweeting numbers and has been talking quite the opposite of what your claiming the beat writers are saying.

Clyde Gates was a deep threat a year ago and has now disappeared. The threat alone doesnt mean squat.

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They don't have an elite QB, our D is scary and yeah w/ multiple WRs out including our best our WRs didn't look very good.
You only have one decent WR and he is a cancer.

13ktownguy
08-21-2012, 03:12 AM
Please go back and show me the posts where told you how great we will be?

you should remove yourself from this board and get some help w/ reading comprehension.

You said elite thats about the same thing Mr. Comprehension! cant you remember what you posted in the same thread? lol

nyjunc
08-21-2012, 08:18 AM
I am just repeating what Manesh said. He was tweeting numbers and has been talking quite the opposite of what your claiming the beat writers are saying.

Clyde Gates was a deep threat a year ago and has now disappeared. The threat alone doesnt mean squat.

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You only have one decent WR and he is a cancer.

Yes he tweeted #s but he's also smart enough to realize how silly it is to judge based on practice #s. he and every other beat writer, everyone at camp including the ESPN guys when they were there discussed how good of a camp sanchez was having.

We didn't have anyone to get down the field last year, when we did in '09 and '10 sanchez made big plays down the field to Braylon.

He's such a cancer he helped one team win a SB and then helped a second come w/in a few pts of getting to a SB.


You said elite thats about the same thing Mr. Comprehension! cant you remember what you posted in the same thread? lol

Post the quote.

Kinzua
08-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Yes he tweeted #s but he's also smart enough to realize how silly it is to judge based on practice #s. he and every other beat writer, everyone at camp including the ESPN guys when they were there discussed how good of a camp sanchez was having.


Obviously Sanchez left his "good camp" back in Cortland along with the Jests dirty bed linens. Going 9 of 11 for all of 59 yards, 0 TDs, 3 sacks, and 1 INT for a pick six for the Gnats was NOT a good performance even by the low standards of Jests homers. :rolleyes:

nyjunc
08-21-2012, 02:51 PM
Obviously Sanchez left his "good camp" back in Cortland along with the Jests dirty bed linens. Going 9 of 11 for all of 59 yards, 0 TDs, 3 sacks, and 1 INT for a pick six for the Gnats was NOT a good performance even by the low standards of Jests homers. :rolleyes:

wait, so his "poor" performance means everything but the Bills getting beat up by a bad Vikings team means nothing? I love the logic, or lack of logic.

13ktownguy
08-21-2012, 03:14 PM
wait, so his "poor" performance means everything but the Bills getting beat up by a bad Vikings team means nothing? I love the logic, or lack of logic.

He's not on here saying the Bills are so special like you are...see the difference.

13ktownguy
08-21-2012, 03:25 PM
when are they normally pro jets outside of Mike Greenberg?



We have been sold out since the 70s, we had a 30,000 season ticket waiting list before PSLs. Don't confuse that w/ lack of fan interest and I don't want to hear the NY vs. Miami excuses. There are a million things to do in NY, a million more teams competing for the entertainment dollar and millions of people not from NY who live here who have no idea what a football is. Miami has more than enough people in South Florida to fill that Stadium every week but the usually fail to do so.

I'm very excited, I can't wait for the season and I expect to be back among the AFC elite.

There ya go junc I posted it...you said elite, so dont call me out like that again,I dont make s*** up!

nyjunc
08-21-2012, 03:53 PM
There ya go junc I posted it...you said elite, so dont call me out like that again,I dont make s*** up!

I said I "expect" to be back among the elite, I didn't say we will be. Those are 2 very different sentences, if I said "we will be great" or "I guarantee we will be great" then you'd have a point.


He's not on here saying the Bills are so special like you are...see the difference.

I didn't say the "jets are so special" and yes he is acting like the Bills are a sure thing.

Thank you for posting thr quote though.

MadDog 88
08-22-2012, 08:39 AM
Yes he tweeted #s but he's also smart enough to realize how silly it is to judge based on practice #s. he and every other beat writer, everyone at camp including the ESPN guys when they were there discussed how good of a camp sanchez was having.

We didn't have anyone to get down the field last year, when we did in '09 and '10 sanchez made big plays down the field to Braylon.

He's such a cancer he helped one team win a SB and then helped a second come w/in a few pts of getting to a SB.



Post the quote.And that SB team traded him for a 5th. :ponder: The AFCG was 2 years ago and Holmes had Edwards and Tomlinson to help. He has clearly shown he cant be a number 1 and he did get thrown out oif the huddle. Do I really need to elaborate on all the attitude problems the Jets are having? The desire to dump him but cant due to the salary cap hit?

nyjunc
08-22-2012, 08:50 AM
And that SB team traded him for a 5th. :ponder: The AFCG was 2 years ago and Holmes had Edwards and Tomlinson to help. He has clearly shown he cant be a number 1 and he did get thrown out oif the huddle. Do I really need to elaborate on all the attitude problems the Jets are having? The desire to dump him but cant due to the salary cap hit?

They traded him for a 5th b/c he was going to be suspended 4 games and was in the last year of his contract.

what attitude problems are the Jets having now? seems to me Miami has more issues w/ players upset over releasing a bum WR than any LR issues we have.

If the Jets wanted to dump him they would have in March.

MadDog 88
08-22-2012, 07:08 PM
They traded him for a 5th b/c he was going to be suspended 4 games and was in the last year of his contract.

what attitude problems are the Jets having now? seems to me Miami has more issues w/ players upset over releasing a bum WR than any LR issues we have.

If the Jets wanted to dump him they would have in March.Thanks for bringing home my point. Guarantee the Jets couldn't get a 5th for him now.

"A two QB system won't work"' etc....

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 12:37 PM
isn't it amazing how we win w/ such crappy talent and coaching?

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 01:05 PM
I said I "expect" to be back among the elite, I didn't say we will be. Those are 2 very different sentences, if I said "we will be great" or "I guarantee we will be great" then you'd have a point.

They never were elite anyway on any side of the fence

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 01:12 PM
They never were elite anyway on any side of the fence

most playoff wins in AFC
tied for most in NFL
most title game apps in NFL

they are elite under Rex

The New Guy
08-23-2012, 02:36 PM
most playoff wins in AFC
tied for most in NFL
most title game apps in NFL

they are elite under Rex

For me to consider a team as one of the best in the NFL, it has to have quality seasons year in and year out. I just don't feel you are one of the best teams in the NFL if you have trouble winning 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 02:50 PM
For me to consider a team as one of the best in the NFL, it has to have quality seasons year in and year out. I just don't feel you are one of the best teams in the NFL if you have trouble winning 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons.

so the Giants aren't one of the best since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? they also had trouble winning 9 games 2 of those 3 seasons.

under rex we have made postseason 67% of the time and won the most playoff games and avanced to the most title games- that's elite.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 02:52 PM
isn't it amazing how we win w/ such crappy talent and coaching?

Win? You didn't win anything last year and your team is far worse this year.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 02:55 PM
most playoff wins in AFC
tied for most in NFL
most title game apps in NFL

they are elite under Rex

Finishing tied for third twice is not elite.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 02:56 PM
most playoff wins in AFC
tied for most in NFL
most title game apps in NFL

they are elite under Rex

I'd love to dance this dance again. I know the facts you stated. They aren't elite.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 02:57 PM
believe what you want but #1 in playoff wins alone tells us they are elite.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 02:58 PM
under rex we have made postseason 67% of the time and won the most playoff games and avanced to the most title games- that's elite.

If you were elite, you would have made the playoffs all 3 years and actually gotten to and win the Super Bowl. The Jets have been a good team over the last 3 years but nothing more. It's okay to admit that, it could be far worse.

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believe what you want but #1 in playoff wins alone tells us they are elite.

Sure. They're elite. The talk of New York. No one can **** with them. It's a guaranteed thing they win the division and the SB this year. They're elite.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 03:21 PM
so the giants aren't elite since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? Pitt isn't eite as they missed in '09

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 03:38 PM
so the giants aren't elite since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? Pitt isn't eite as they missed in '09

It shouldn't surprise me that you're still asking questions I've already answered months ago. I mentioned all of the elite teams before. You did too. The only different is that you included the Jets in that list. As huge of a coincidence as it was, the Jets were the only team in your list of elite teams that has not won the AFC/NFC Championship and gotten to/won the Super Bowl.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 03:44 PM
believe what you want but #1 in playoff wins alone tells us they are elite.

By us if you mean Jets fans trying to find solace in a miserable existence then you are correct.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 03:46 PM
It shouldn't surprise me that you're still asking questions I've already answered months ago. I mentioned all of the elite teams before. You did too. The only different is that you included the Jets in that list. As huge of a coincidence as it was, the Jets were the only team in your list of elite teams that has not won the AFC/NFC Championship and gotten to/won the Super Bowl.

Because in desperate Jet fans minds being 2nd runner up exceeds their hopes.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 03:48 PM
so the giants aren't elite since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? Pitt isn't eite as they missed in '09

Haha. Thinking you compare to the Giants or Steelers proves how skewed your homeristic thoughts are. Thanks for a great laugh on a bad day.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 03:49 PM
It shouldn't surprise me that you're still asking questions I've already answered months ago. I mentioned all of the elite teams before. You did too. The only different is that you included the Jets in that list. As huge of a coincidence as it was, the Jets were the only team in your list of elite teams that has not won the AFC/NFC Championship and gotten to/won the Super Bowl.

Your criteria continues to change in order to keep the Jets off the list.


Because in desperate Jet fans minds being 2nd runner up exceeds their hopes.

which is better, playing for the right to go to the SB or never making the playoffs?

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 03:54 PM
Your criteria continues to change in order to keep the Jets off the list.

As you'd say, "Junc, you're better than that". What you just said is a complete fabrication. The very first thing I ever mentioned in regards to what makes a team elite in my opinion, is that a team needs to win a championship.

That is first. That is foremost. That is final.

The Jets have never been elite using my definition. The Dolphins haven't been since the 1970s if ever. The Bills were the ultimate exception in the 90s using my definition b/c they got to the SB four straight years. The Patriots are still elite because they have had successful seasons mixed around their SB wins (and yes I realize they haven't won in a few years).

My definition has not changed. Let's have the Jets win the Super Bowl this year. Does that make them elite then? They'd be right there in the discussion. They have to WIN it though.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 04:02 PM
Your criteria continues to change in order to keep the Jets off the list.



which is better, playing for the right to go to the SB or never making the playoffs?

This discussion has nothing to do with the Dolphins yet you fall back on my dick is bigger then yours. You'll never change nor accept that your team is not what you make them out to be.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 04:04 PM
As you'd say, "Junc, you're better than that". What you just said is a complete fabrication. The very first thing I ever mentioned in regards to what makes a team elite in my opinion, is that a team needs to win a championship.

That is first. That is foremost. That is final.

The Jets have never been elite using my definition. The Dolphins haven't been since the 1970s if ever. The Bills were the ultimate exception in the 90s using my definition b/c they got to the SB four straight years. The Patriots are still elite because they have had successful seasons mixed around their SB wins (and yes I realize they haven't won in a few years).

My definition has not changed. Let's have the Jets win the Super Bowl this year. Does that make them elite then? They'd be right there in the discussion. They have to WIN it though.

but you just wrote:


If you were elite, you would have made the playoffs all 3 years and actually gotten to and win the Super Bowl

I may be dumb but I'm not stupid. This sentence tells me in order to be elite you have to reach the playoffs every year and get to and win a SB. The Giants won a SB but missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons so according to you they must not be elite, right?

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This discussion has nothing to do with the Dolphins yet you fall back on my dick is bigger then yours. You'll never change not accept that your team is not what you make them out to be.

I'm just asking the question, you seem to act like 2 title game apps isn't a big deal. Something tells me you wouldn't act like that if the roles were reversed.

The New Guy
08-23-2012, 04:05 PM
so the Giants aren't one of the best since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? they also had trouble winning 9 games 2 of those 3 seasons.

under rex we have made postseason 67% of the time and won the most playoff games and avanced to the most title games- that's elite.

The Jets have won playoffs games and advanced further than other teams in 09 and 10, but that does not make them elite. If the Giants lost the NFCC game those years instead of winning the SB, I would not consider them Elite, and neither would you. Winning the Super Bowl 40% of the time in the last 5 seasons makes them elite. Losing 2 AFCCG while struggling to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons is not.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:07 PM
I may be dumb but I'm not stupid. This sentence tells me in order to be elite you have to reach the playoffs every year and get to and win a SB. The Giants won a SB but missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons so according to you they must not be elite, right?


Not dumb, just selectively biased. Note the "get to a win a SB" part of what I said. For the 1,000,001st time, the Jets need to do that in order to be elite.

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The Jets have won playoffs games and advanced further than other teams in 09 and 10, but that does not make them elite. If the Giants lost the NFCC game those years instead of winning the SB, I would not consider them Elite, and neither would you. Winning the Super Bowl 40% of the time in the last 5 seasons makes them elite.

Winning the SB once in the last five and having success afterwards make a team elite too. We can travel back in time and waste 60 more pages of why the Jets aren't elite, I'm all for it.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 04:08 PM
Not dumb, just selectively biased. Note the "get to a win a SB" part of what I said. For the 1,000,001st time, the Jets need to do that in order to be elite.

Your quote:


If you were elite, you would have made the playoffs all 3 years and actually gotten to and win the Super Bowl


Now you are saying it's all baout get to and win a SB? but I thought you had to be a top team for 3 years after the SB? You are all over the place w/ this discussion.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm just asking the question, you seem to act like 2 title game apps isn't a big deal. Something tells me you wouldn't act like that if the roles were reversed.

Doing so was a great accomplishment. Them not being able to win either time is undeniable proof they weren't good enough to get to and win the Super Bowl. If you aren't good enough to do that, you aren't elite.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 04:09 PM
The Jets have won playoffs games and advanced further than other teams in 09 and 10, but that does not make them elite. If the Giants lost the NFCC game those years instead of winning the SB, I would not consider them Elite, and neither would you. Winning the Super Bowl 40% of the time in the last 5 seasons makes them elite. Losing 2 AFCCG while struggling to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons is not.

If the Giants lost in title games they would have had 2 title game apps, 4 playoff wins in 5 seasons. The Jets have that in THREE seasons. BIG difference.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:12 PM
Your quote:



Now you are saying it's all baout get to and win a SB?

You're just still pissy that not one person agrees with your Jets are elite bull****. You have to win the Super Bowl to even be considered elite. You clearly disagree with me because you keep insisting the Jets are elite.


but I thought you had to be a top team for 3 years after the SB?

I said you have to have success and remember, you disagreed with me on that too. The Giants going 30-18 over three years with 1 playoff appearance was success to me but not to you. Who would've thought?

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If the Giants lost in title games they would have had 2 title game apps, 4 playoff wins in 5 seasons. The Jets have that in THREE seasons. BIG difference.

The only difference of importance between the Giants and Jets is that the Giants have won more SBs in the last five years than the Jets have in their history.

The New Guy
08-23-2012, 04:12 PM
If the Giants lost in title games they would have had 2 title game apps, 4 playoff wins in 5 seasons. The Jets have that in THREE seasons. BIG difference.


When it comes to being Elite, there is no difference. Neither would be considered elite.

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 04:12 PM
You're just still pissy that not one person agrees with your Jets are elite bull****. You have to win the Super Bowl to even be considered elite. You clearly disagree with me because you keep insisting the Jets are elite.


I don't care if bitter, jealous div rival fans agree w/ me or not.

The fact that you change the criteria every discussion tells me all I need to know.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:17 PM
I don't care if bitter, jealous div rival fans agree w/ me or not.

Why have 22,385 posts on our site if you don't care what the FH patrons have to say?


The fact that you change the criteria every discussion tells me all I need to know.

Where's the proof I change the criteria? Do you honestly think I'm a fool who thinks I can get away with lying about my own opinion?

nyjunc
08-23-2012, 04:24 PM
We exchange thoughts and opinions here. I learn things sometimes and I help others learn sometimes, the facts back me up here. I can't allow others jealousy to cloud my judgement.

where's the proof? just look at the posts from the last 1/2 hour. You are constantly making new things up.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:30 PM
We exchange thoughts and opinions here. I learn things sometimes and I help others learn sometimes, the facts back me up here. I can't allow others jealousy to cloud my judgement.

A team being elite isn't a fact. It's all opinion.


where's the proof? just look at the posts from the last 1/2 hour. You are constantly making new things up.

My #1 reason for the Jets not being elite is clear. You say they are. My comment earlier was if they were elite, in whatever definition you say being elite is which is different that mine, why would they have missed the playoffs last year?

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My definition of elite has never changed. My comment was in reference to your idea of what being elite is. God forbid I'm not 100% clear on this topic and you don't accuse me of lying to strangers.

The New Guy
08-23-2012, 04:50 PM
I don't care if bitter, jealous div rival fans agree w/ me or not.

The fact that you change the criteria every discussion tells me all I need to know.

It has nothing to do with that. I'd say the same about any other team including the Dolphins. The facts are that the Jets made it the the AFCCG in 2009 and 2010. That doesn't make them elite. Just because a team advances further than another team in the playoffs does not automatically make them a better team. Not everyone plays the same opponents. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Are the Jets a better team than the Ravens because of that? The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFCC game in 2009. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier in the division round. The Jets lost to the Steelers in AFCCG in 2010. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier. Had it been the Jets who had to play Indy or Pitt in the Division game, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further each year.

To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams. Bal went 11-5, 9-7, 12-4 and 12-4 in the last 4 years with their 2 AFCC games, so I consider them 1 of the best in the AFC. NE went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 with a Super Bowl App, so I would consider them one of the best in the AFC. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not one of the best to me even thought they have more playoff wins than both of those teams.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 04:55 PM
It has nothing to do with that. I'd say the same about any other team including the Dolphins. The facts are that the Jets made it the the AFCCG in 2009 and 2010. That doesn't make them elite. Just because a team advances further than another team in the playoffs does not automatically make them a better team. Not everyone plays the same opponents. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Are the Jets a better team than the Ravens because of that? The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFCC game in 2009. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier in the division round. The Jets lost to the Steelers in AFCCG in 2010. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier. Had it been the Jets who had to play Indy or Pitt in the Division game, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further each year.

To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams. Bal went 11-5, 9-7, 12-4 and 12-4 in the last 4 years with their 2 AFCC games, so I consider them 1 of the best in the AFC. NE went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 with a Super Bowl App, so I would consider them one of the best in the AFC. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not one of the best to me even thought they have more playoff wins than both of those teams.

Look at you being all logical

The New Guy
08-23-2012, 05:01 PM
Look at you being all logical

:chuckle: Nah, I'm just being a bitter, jealous division rival.

MadDog 88
08-23-2012, 05:55 PM
We exchange thoughts and opinions here. I learn things sometimes and I help others learn sometimes, the facts back me up here. I can't allow others jealousy to cloud my judgement.

where's the proof? just look at the posts from the last 1/2 hour. You are constantly making new things up.

Unfortunately my friend, to often you try and pass your opinion as a fact.

SpurzN703
08-23-2012, 06:01 PM
:chuckle: Nah, I'm just being a bitter, jealous division rival.

Aren't we all? I mean it would make complete sense to act like an elite team isn't elite just b/c they're a rival.

Vaark
08-23-2012, 06:25 PM
Too Funny: A team that went a legit 7-7 with a 6 game losing streak and a beating teams with barely a cumulative .300 winning percentage over their real first 14 games before being considered meaningless games to 2 legitimate playoff bound opponents and team that was lucky to go 8-8 because of Tony Romo last minute brainfart, sandwiched in between a good but not great wild card team is just about as "Elite" as Britney Spears is the second coming of Celine Dion! That's as funny as refusing 2 first round picks for Sanchez.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/05/dfw12h-1.jpg http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/2ez7lg3-1.jpg

rainmaker1313
08-24-2012, 04:52 AM
You really shouldn't discuss ticket sales. The jets have been sold out since the 70s, w/ the new Stadium and PSLs they have turend off a lot of old STH's and the $50 seats are some of the worst in the league as you are a mile high away from the field. They screwed the fans w/ PSLs aqnd this is a backlash of that, nothing else and we will be sold out unlike your team.

What I really love is how the Jet fans mocked the wildcat and Sparano and now they have Sparano and are running the wildcat! .........AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Kinzua
08-24-2012, 08:48 AM
They traded him for a 5th b/c he was going to be suspended 4 games and was in the last year of his contract.

what attitude problems are the Jets having now? seems to me Miami has more issues w/ players upset over releasing a bum WR than any LR issues we have.

If the Jets wanted to dump him they would have in March.

Yeah, they could have, but it would have cost them a $ 9 million cap hit, which is why they didn't move him.

If you think Holmes' attitude has been "adjusted", you are delusional. The only reason he hasn't caused trouble already is because he hasn't played due to his rib injury. Sanchez is still playing the same crappy way he was last season, and Tebow is even worse. Holmes sees his career being wasted by inept QB play, and he's frustrated. He'll start trouble yet again this season.

Bingit
08-24-2012, 10:25 AM
Yeah, they could have, but it would have cost them a $ 9 million cap hit, which is why they didn't move him.

If you think Holmes' attitude has been "adjusted", you are delusional. The only reason he hasn't caused trouble already is because he hasn't played due to his rib injury. Sanchez is still playing the same crappy way he was last season, and Tebow is even worse. Holmes sees his career being wasted by inept QB play, and he's frustrated. He'll start trouble yet again this season.


Exactly!! If they hadn't just giving him that ridiculous contract the year before he would have been cut. This guy is baby T.O, and Marshall put together. Lol!! He will be a problem again. It is just a matter of time. Pitt knew it and that is why they got rid of him. The Jets were stupid and gave him all that guaranteed money so they are stuck with him. Lol!!



It would be naive to believe money wasn't a factor. As one person familiar with the team's thinking said recently, there were "8 million reasons" to keep Holmes. Now it's 15 million.

13ktownguy
08-24-2012, 10:47 AM
so the giants aren't elite since they missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons? Pitt isn't eite as they missed in '09

How do you explain that they are much better teams than the jets? And yet you are elite and they are not. You cant deny that both the Steelers and Gmen are better teams, never mind the silly elite argument!

Kinzua
08-24-2012, 10:55 AM
How do you explain that they are much better teams than the jets? And yet you are elite and they are not. You cant deny that both the Steelers and Gmen are better teams, never mind the silly elite argument!

Our boy Junc inhabits an alternative universe where up is down and left is right and the compass needle always points due south.

The New Guy
08-24-2012, 12:18 PM
How do you explain that they are much better teams than the jets? And yet you are elite and they are not. You cant deny that both the Steelers and Gmen are better teams, never mind the silly elite argument!

He is not saying that the Giants and Steelers are not elite. He is saying that I can not consider them elite since I think you need to have quality regular seasons each year. He uses the Steelers missing the playoffs in 09 and the Giants missing 2 out of 3 post seasons to try and make his point. The problem with that is the Steelers went 12-4 with a Super Bowl win in 2008 (the year before they missed the playoffs (At 9-7) ) and then went 12-4 with a Super Bowl app the year after. They went 12-4 again in 2011.

The Giants won the Super Bowl and went 12-4, 8-8, and 10-6 before winning another Super Bowl. That 30-18 record in those years is not elite by itself. Winning the Super Bowl 40% of the time in those 5 seasons is what makes them elite.

Struggling to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons with nothing to show for it is not elite. Had the Jets won or even made the Super Bowl both of those years, I would reconsider. As it stands, 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with 2 AFCCG losses is not elite to me.

Vaark
08-24-2012, 12:50 PM
Our boy Junc inhabits an alternative universe where up is down and left is right and the compass needle always points due south.

and unless you watch the nuances of the game, poor stats are conveniently deemed immaterial .. that's of course unless we're talking about good stats regardless of the outcome of the game.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/10/2rhbh8o-1.jpg

13ktownguy
08-24-2012, 12:58 PM
They only had one season where they deserved to be in the playoffs and that was the year Pittsburgh beat them in the playoffs...but the jets are elite and the Steelers are not...ok!

JETSJETSJETS
08-26-2012, 05:39 PM
What I really love is how the Jet fans mocked the wildcat and Sparano and now they have Sparano and are running the wildcat! .........AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Few things Dolfans fail to realize.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

J. David Wannyheimer
08-26-2012, 09:16 PM
Their offense tonight vs Carolina is vintage Sparano.

bigvince75
08-26-2012, 09:37 PM
their redzone offense and 3rd down defense has been awful tonight. I don't get why they didn't run the ball more in the edzone after they recovered the fumble; carolina's run defense isn't exactly stout.

NBP81
08-26-2012, 10:54 PM
Few things Dolfans fail to realize.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.
You dont have a football caliber QB period...lol!

Mike13
08-26-2012, 11:13 PM
Few things Dolfans fail to realize.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

And you're the reason incest should be banned worldwide.

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 12:53 AM
Few things Dolfans fail to realize.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

Always the deflector aren't you pal? The title of this thread still holds merit if you ask me.

WVDolphan
08-27-2012, 01:36 AM
Their offense tonight vs Carolina is vintage Sparano.

Did they kick 4 FGs tonight?

Have they still not scored a TD?

Tzimisce_
08-27-2012, 05:01 AM
I wonder if the Jets invited the Tebow media circus in with that trade to help sell PSLs.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 08:27 AM
It has nothing to do with that. I'd say the same about any other team including the Dolphins. The facts are that the Jets made it the the AFCCG in 2009 and 2010. That doesn't make them elite. Just because a team advances further than another team in the playoffs does not automatically make them a better team. Not everyone plays the same opponents. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Are the Jets a better team than the Ravens because of that? The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFCC game in 2009. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier in the division round. The Jets lost to the Steelers in AFCCG in 2010. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier. Had it been the Jets who had to play Indy or Pitt in the Division game, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further each year.

To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams. Bal went 11-5, 9-7, 12-4 and 12-4 in the last 4 years with their 2 AFCC games, so I consider them 1 of the best in the AFC. NE went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 with a Super Bowl App, so I would consider them one of the best in the AFC. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not one of the best to me even thought they have more playoff wins than both of those teams.

Tied for NFL lead in playoff wins
lead AFC in playoff wins
ONLY team to reach 2 title games in last 3 seasons

They have been elite whether your jealousy allows you to see it or not.


Yeah, they could have, but it would have cost them a $ 9 million cap hit, which is why they didn't move him.

If you think Holmes' attitude has been "adjusted", you are delusional. The only reason he hasn't caused trouble already is because he hasn't played due to his rib injury. Sanchez is still playing the same crappy way he was last season, and Tebow is even worse. Holmes sees his career being wasted by inept QB play, and he's frustrated. He'll start trouble yet again this season.

He's a winning player, he's not Stevie stone hands who drops every "big" catch(in big situations since he's never played in a big game). They would have taken a cap hit but if they were getting rid of him March was the time to do it.


How do you explain that they are much better teams than the jets? And yet you are elite and they are not. You cant deny that both the Steelers and Gmen are better teams, never mind the silly elite argument!

I didn't say they weren't, I'm just using the ever changing criteria phinz has for elite teams.


and unless you watch the nuances of the game, poor stats are conveniently deemed immaterial .. that's of course unless we're talking about good stats regardless of the outcome of the game.



the homer who I'm not sure even watches games is now discussing nuances of the game.:lol2:


Their offense tonight vs Carolina is vintage Sparano.

The offense was fine, had a dropped TD, had a drop that turned into an INt but we controlled both sides of the ball w/ starters in.


their redzone offense and 3rd down defense has been awful tonight. I don't get why they didn't run the ball more in the edzone after they recovered the fumble; carolina's run defense isn't exactly stout.

It's preseason.

Vaark
08-27-2012, 08:34 AM
Few things Dolfans fail to realize.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
he just empowered the OC and enabled him by defending his playcalling that was so predictable, that opponents laughingly admitted they could predict 3 or 4 out of every 5 plays. Beyond that, even in Dallas, before he was relieved of the playcalling duties, 2/3rds of the yards gained were with Todd Haley's plays and players through the air. And of all Dallas's key skill players, the jest don't have even one to compare on the ground or through the air with that year.

2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
Really? In an era where the game has been purposely regulated to encourage passing, the only reason to bring Tebow in, is to make up for your CFL-level QB's many deficiencies

3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
The jest drafted Gholston and Ducasse.. what could be worse than that?

4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
That's until the league caught up with him and he lost 4 of his last 5 games, or did you not realize that?

5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
But we ran it better with Henning (the one thing he could do and David Lee who designed it) You've got the clueless meatball

6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
See Ducasse, Gholston and maybe Coples per above

7. You don't have a WR
and you have only 1 and he's a natural #2 and a clubhouse cancer. Which is better?

8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
Actually we potentially have 2...including Moore who would be starting on the jest immediately. For a jest fan to accuse anyone else of lacking a NFL calliber QB is akin to Lindsay Lohan labeling someone else "a mess." Too ****ing funny

9. You don't have a LT
A LT as in Jake? You need to see Vanna to buy a clue, especially after DeBrick's last year performance. Really??

10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
Your team is presently in that mode.. u just are too oblivious to realize it.

11. You have a rookie HC
You had a rookie head coach who still hasn't had more than 1 out of 3 legitimate winning seasons and stood obliviously in the middle of his locker room flashing the bird and F bombs while everything around him was exploding! At least our rookie coach wasn't rejected by a savvy GM like Ozzie Newsome who knew him best, among about 4 other teams before the beancounter bit.

12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.
You have the bean counter.. it's a push.

QFT here in the "No Spin Zone"

J. David Wannyheimer
08-27-2012, 09:03 AM
"The offense was fine."

If by "fine" you mean "the worst in the NFL and historically bad in the preseason" then yes, I'd say that's fine.

Vaark
08-27-2012, 09:49 AM
Too Funny: Junc having the nerve to actually call someone else a "homer" is as disingenuous as Idi Amin calling Papa Doc Duvalier a "Dictator."

What's even funnier is that he's one of the few around here who doesn't realize it. :)

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 09:57 AM
"The offense was fine."

If by "fine" you mean "the worst in the NFL and historically bad in the preseason" then yes, I'd say that's fine.

The O moved the ball almost every possession while the starters were in
The O scored 9 pts in the 1st half, had a TD dropped and an INT go through our Wrs hands that set up Car's TD.
Our O and D controlled the game while the starters were in.

If you want to look at final scores of preseason games go ahead. I watch how they are actually playing and they played well.

One last thing, you must keep in mind we are missing key cogs in our O. The first 2 preseason games we missed Holmes and Kerley alog w/ tebow w/ the 1s in his role, last night we got Holmes and kerley back part time, lost keller after 1 play and still didn't see Tebow in his role but we were "historically bad" in preaseason:lol2:

The last time I saw this much nonsense being made about preseason was 2006 when our first team O didn't scored a TD and I think only scored 3 pts all preseason long. Week 1 we went on the road and beat up tennessee.

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Too Funny: Junc having the nerve to actually call someone else a "homer" is as disingenuous as Idi Amin calling Papa Doc Duvalier a "Dictator."

What's even funnier is that he's one of the few around here who doesn't realize it. :)

There's no bigger homer here than you, I am realistic. So tell me again how vontate is on revis' level? now it's time to bash b/c he is gone, that's what you always do. if it looks like a player is leaving or does leave they suck but if not you tell me how great they are,

Vaark
08-27-2012, 10:20 AM
The O moved the ball almost every possession while the starters were in
The O scored 9 pts in the 1st half, had a TD dropped and an INT go through our Wrs hands that set up Car's TD.
Our O and D controlled the game while the starters were in.

If you want to look at final scores of preseason games go ahead. I watch how they are actually playing and they played well.

One last thing, you must keep in mind we are missing key cogs in our O. The first 2 preseason games we missed Holmes and Kerley alog w/ tebow w/ the 1s in his role, last night we got Holmes and kerley back part time, lost keller after 1 play and still didn't see Tebow in his role but we were "historically bad" in preaseason:lol2:

The last time I saw this much nonsense being made about preseason was 2006 when our first team O didn't scored a TD and I think only scored 3 pts all preseason long. Week 1 we went on the road and beat up tennessee.

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There's no bigger homer here than you, I am realistic. So tell me again how vontate is on revis' level? now it's time to bash b/c he is gone, that's what you always do. if it looks like a player is leaving or does leave they suck but if not you tell me how great they are,

I told you Vontae had the potential to be at Revis's level, and he does, but I also told you that he's better than Cromartie, and even as a headcase, he is. Then again, I told you what my buddy an objective long term 50yd line Cardinals season ticketholder told me about both of our teams overpaying for Pace... and I was right there too. Also told you that Rhodes was a mediocre safety and how's he doing these days? Also told you that Rex was a glorified DC and that looks like it's turning out to be correct. Again, think you're objective all you want, but the majority around here in the no BS zone know differently. :idk:

(Queue up the inevitable upcoming OCD-level "lastworditis")

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 10:34 AM
I told you Vontae had the potential to be at Revis's level, and he does, but I also told you that he's better than Cromartie, and even as a headcase, he is. Then again, I told you what my buddy an objective long term 50yd line Cardinals season ticketholder told me about both of our teams overpaying for Pace... and I was right there too. Also told you that Rhodes was a mediocre safety and how's he doing these days? Also told you that Rex was a glorified DC and that looks like it's turning out to be correct. Again, think you're objective all you want, but the majority around here in the no BS zone know differently. :idk:

(Queue up the inevitable upcoming OCD-level "lastworditis")


He doesn't have the potential to be at Revis' level, revis is at an all time great level.

Pace has been very good for us so what was he right about again? and is that he you wanted him when you thought you were getting him then bashed him when we signed him?

a glorified DC that has won the most playoff games of any HC since he has been a HC.

The majority here are DOLPHIN FANS, of course they will disagree w/ me. That doesn't make me wrong, the facts back me up nt your homer rants.

yes "lastworditis":rolleyes2: responding to a post(no matter how abd it is) is "lastworditis". keep deflecting.

J. David Wannyheimer
08-27-2012, 11:11 AM
The O moved the ball almost every possession while the starters were in
The O scored 9 pts in the 1st half, had a TD dropped and an INT go through our Wrs hands that set up Car's TD.
Our O and D controlled the game while the starters were in.

If you want to look at final scores of preseason games go ahead. I watch how they are actually playing and they played well.

One last thing, you must keep in mind we are missing key cogs in our O. The first 2 preseason games we missed Holmes and Kerley alog w/ tebow w/ the 1s in his role, last night we got Holmes and kerley back part time, lost keller after 1 play and still didn't see Tebow in his role but we were "historically bad" in preaseason:lol2:

The last time I saw this much nonsense being made about preseason was 2006 when our first team O didn't scored a TD and I think only scored 3 pts all preseason long. Week 1 we went on the road and beat up tennessee.


Even your fellow Jets fans aren't swallowing this load.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 11:15 AM
Even your fellow Jets fans aren't swallowing this load.

I don't care if whiny fans get scared by misleading headlines. I trust my eyes, we'll be ok.

CleatMarks
08-27-2012, 11:19 AM
Tied for NFL lead in playoff wins
lead AFC in playoff wins
ONLY team to reach 2 title games in last 3 seasons

They have been elite whether your jealousy allows you to see it or not.


(lol) That response is priceless. Elite? The Jets are only in the papers because Rex is a blowhard and the league wants to watch the Jets fail.

You actually have the balls to compare the Jets to the elite with your "tied with lead" bullcrap? Let's go back a bit more shall we?

Patriots have 5 Super Bowl appearances in 11 years.
Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls in 11 years.
Patriots have won an average 12 games a year over the last decade. The Jets have NEVER won more than 11 games in their entire history.
Patriots have won 5 AFCCs over the last decade.
Patriots have played in 6 AFCCs over the last decade
Patriots have won the division 9 times in the last 11 years and lost the other two on tie breakers.
Patriots went 16 - 0 in regular season in 07

Do I need to go on?

If the Jets are Elite, then someone had better invent a new category for NE. The Jets will be swept again this year by NE.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 11:21 AM
(lol) That response is priceless. Elite? The Jets are only in the papers because Rex is a blowhard and the league wants to watch the Jets fail.

You actually have the balls to compare the Jets to the elite with your "tied with lead" bullcrap? Let's go back a bit more shall we?

Patriots have 5 Super Bowl appearances in 11 years.
Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls in 11 years.
Patriots have won an average 12 games a year over the last decade
Patriots have won 5 AFCCs over the last decade.
Patriots have played in 6 AFCCs over the last decade
Patriots have won the division 9 times in the last 11 years and lost the other two on tie breakers.
Patriots went 16 - 0 in regular season in 07

Do I need to go on?

If the Jets are Elite, then someone had better invent a new category for NE. The Jets will be swept again this year by NE.

We are talking about the Rex years, 2009-2011. 2001-2004 where NE won 3 SBs is irrelevant to this dicussion. yes if we go backt hat far the Jets are not elite(but still one of the better teams in the AFC after NE, Indy and Pitt).

CleatMarks
08-27-2012, 11:24 AM
We are talking about the Rex years, 2009-2011. 2001-2004 where NE won 3 SBs is irrelevant to this dicussion. yes if we go backt hat far the Jets are not elite(but still one of the better teams in the AFC after NE, Indy and Pitt).

Hey, why not just really limit the discussion and throw out 2011? I mean, why not just count the games the Jets won?

The Jets are a 8 - 8 team and that's it. You're insignificant. You really think the Jets are better than Houston or even Denver at this point? You guys are bottom half of AFC and that's it.

The only reason you get press is because Rex can't keep his mouth shut and the Tebowites.

CleatMarks
08-27-2012, 11:28 AM
Excuse me...
I got it wrong... the Jets were the 8th best team in the AFC last year so they're clearly elite (lol).

Vaark
08-27-2012, 11:34 AM
Hey, why not just really limit the discussion and throw out 2011? I mean, why not just count the games the Jets won?

The Jets are a 8 - 8 team and that's it. You're insignificant. You really think the Jets are better than Houston or even Denver at this point? You guys are bottom half of AFC and that's it.

The only reason you get press is because Rex can't keep his mouth shut and the Tebowites.

Also let's throw out the first 14 games in '09 where they were 7-7 at one point losing 6 out of 7, beating teams with barely a .300 seasonal winning percentage, lost game 14 at home to the dead Falcons - but of course count the gifts that Cinci and Indy gave them in games 16&15. It's only fair right?

Hells bells: Tara Reid is more of an Oscar-worthy actress than the jest under Ryan are an "elite" team.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 11:35 AM
Hey, why not just really limit the discussion and throw out 2011? I mean, why not just count the games the Jets won?

The Jets are a 8 - 8 team and that's it. You're insignificant. You really think the Jets are better than Houston or even Denver at this point? You guys are bottom half of AFC and that's it.

The only reason you get press is because Rex can't keep his mouth shut and the Tebowites.

again, it's about the 3 years since Rex has been here. Yeah we had a down year which pretty much every team has now and then but in those 3 years no team has more playoff wins, no AFC team has as many playoff wins and no NFL team has as many title game apps. That's elite.

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Also let's throw out the first 14 games in '09 where they were 7-7 at one point losing 6 out of 7, beating teams with barely a .300 seasonal winning percentage, lost game 14 at home to the dead Falcons - but of course count the gifts that Cinci and Indy gave them in games 16&15. It's only fair right?


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Vaark
08-27-2012, 11:55 AM
again, it's about the 3 years since Rex has been here. Yeah we had a down year which pretty much every team has now and then but in those 3 years no team has more playoff wins, no AFC team has as many playoff wins and no NFL team has as many title game apps. That's elite.

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Tunaphish429
08-27-2012, 12:01 PM
Fistpump!!!

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nyjunc
08-27-2012, 12:02 PM
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SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 12:02 PM
Tied for NFL lead in playoff wins
lead AFC in playoff wins
ONLY team to reach 2 title games in last 3 seasons

They have been elite whether your jealousy allows you to see it or not.

You're in your mid-30s right? Your nanny nanny boo boo attitude is starting to make me question your maturity level.

What does jealousy have to do with anything? I'm jealous of every team I view is elite. Jealousy has nothing to do with any of this.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 12:04 PM
You're in your mid-30s right? Your nanny nanny boo boo attitude is starting to make me question your maturity level.

What does jealousy have to do with anything? I'm jealous of every team I view is elite. Jealousy has nothing to do with any of this.

The facts back me up, no amount of whining or hurling of chilidish insults will change that.

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 12:05 PM
The facts back me up, no amount of whining or hurling of chilidish insults will change that.

Being elite is pure opinion. There are no facts involved.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 12:40 PM
Being elite is pure opinion. There are no facts involved.

is that why you change the criteria hourly?

WVDolphan
08-27-2012, 01:56 PM
The Jets are lining up for a FG try as I type this.

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 02:16 PM
is that why you change the criteria hourly?

Silly guy

The New Guy
08-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Tied for NFL lead in playoff wins
lead AFC in playoff wins
ONLY team to reach 2 title games in last 3 seasons

They have been elite whether your jealousy allows you to see it or not.


I have already responded to that.



It has nothing to do with that. I'd say the same about any other team including the Dolphins. The facts are that the Jets made it the the AFCCG in 2009 and 2010. That doesn't make them elite. Just because a team advances further than another team in the playoffs does not automatically make them a better team. Not everyone plays the same opponents. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Are the Jets a better team than the Ravens because of that? The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFCC game in 2009. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier in the division round. The Jets lost to the Steelers in AFCCG in 2010. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier. Had it been the Jets who had to play Indy or Pitt in the Division game, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further each year.

To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams. Bal went 11-5, 9-7, 12-4 and 12-4 in the last 4 years with their 2 AFCC games, so I consider them 1 of the best in the AFC. NE went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 with a Super Bowl App, so I would consider them one of the best in the AFC. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not one of the best to me even thought they have more playoff wins than both of those teams.

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 03:27 PM
so the Giants aren't elite since they won their 2 Sbs w/ 10-6 and 9-7 records? This is a game where you are defined by what you do in jan and Feb. The jets earned playoff spots in '09 and '10 and have won the most playoff games in the league- that's elite.

The New Guy
08-27-2012, 03:43 PM
so the Giants aren't elite since they won their 2 Sbs w/ 10-6 and 9-7 records? This is a game where you are defined by what you do in jan and Feb. The jets earned playoff spots in '09 and '10 and have won the most playoff games in the league- that's elite.

Did the Jets win 2 Super Bowls?

grogan12
08-27-2012, 03:45 PM
so the Giants aren't elite since they won their 2 Sbs w/ 10-6 and 9-7 records? This is a game where you are defined by what you do in jan and Feb. The jets earned playoff spots in '09 and '10 and have won the most playoff games in the league- that's elite.

Still keeping the dream alive I see.:lol: Using your two year sample you wou would think the league is running scared from the bid bad Jests. Sorry son but reality is just a few weeks away and all the Green Kool Aid in the world won't change it, but hey you can always watch the tapes of those two back to back AFC Championship losses to remind you of the good old days.:boohoo:

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 03:49 PM
so the Giants aren't elite since they won their 2 Sbs w/ 10-6 and 9-7 records? This is a game where you are defined by what you do in jan and Feb. The jets earned playoff spots in '09 and '10 and have won the most playoff games in the league- that's elite.

Giants are elite. Jets are not elite. Very easy to see. And I am jealous of the Giants success too. So....now what?

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 03:58 PM
Did the Jets win 2 Super Bowls?

This is your quote:


To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams.

so according to you the Giants are not elite.

The New Guy
08-27-2012, 04:05 PM
This is your quote:



so according to you the Giants are not elite.

This is also a quote of mine:


If the Giants lost the NFCC game those years instead of winning the SB, I would not consider them Elite, and neither would you. Winning the Super Bowl 40% of the time in the last 5 seasons makes them elite

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 04:20 PM
This is also a quote of mine:

I just love how you guys post your criteria then you don't follow it all for the sole purpose of being afraid to label the Jets elite under rex.

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 04:23 PM
I just love how you guys post your criteria then you don't follow it all for the sole purpose of being afraid to label the Jets elite under rex.

The Jets aren't elite in anyone's criteria except for yours. You HAVE to win a Super Bowl to be an elite team. How can you be elite while failing to beat the other AFC team still standing twice?

nyjunc
08-27-2012, 04:33 PM
The Jets aren't elite in anyone's criteria except for yours. You HAVE to win a Super Bowl to be an elite team. How can you be elite while failing to beat the other AFC team still standing twice?

You are a SB champ if you win the SB- the highest honor you can have. There is just 1 team per year that can be SB champ but the top teams are elite which the Jets have been under Rex overall(though obviously we weren't last year).

Dolph N.Fan
08-27-2012, 07:30 PM
Jets top 5 all time greatest achievements.

1.Won Super Bowl III
2.
3.
4.
5.

Locke
08-27-2012, 07:32 PM
Jets top 5 all time greatest achievements.

1.Won Super Bowl III
2.
3.
4.
5.

You forgot to put been to AFCCG twice in a row at number 2...

Daytona Fin
08-27-2012, 09:07 PM
You forgot one

Jets top 5 all time greatest achievements.

1.Won Super Bowl III
2.Lost to miami 14-0 1982 afc championship
3.
4.
5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHDXoiw6U40

The New Guy
08-27-2012, 09:13 PM
I just love how you guys post your criteria then you don't follow it all for the sole purpose of being afraid to label the Jets elite under rex.

I've never veered from my criteria. I said I think you need quality regular seasons to be considered 1 of the best teams. The Giants did not have playoff success in between their Super Bowls, but they went 12-4, 8-8, and 10-6 before winning another Super Bowl. That is more wins in 3 years during the regular season than the Jets have had in the last 3 years. I still would not consider them elite had they lost the NFCC game instead of winning 2 Super Bowls.

I don't go along with your criteria that just because you advance farther than other teams in the playoffs, that makes you one of the best. I don't think, 2010 Seattle should have been ranked with NO, Bal, and NE for the 2011 season just becasue they won the same amount (or more in some casses) of playoff games than those teams. Denver won more playoff games than GB, SF, Hou and Pitt last year. That doesn't mean that they were better than those teams. The Jets are not elite. That is an honest opinion that has nothing to do with jealously or fear. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not elite. How many other "Elite" teams have media and fans that think they will miss the playoffs and might win 6, 7 or 8 games in the coming year? Is anyone thinking that about NE, GB, Pitt, NO or Bal? Can you show me one credible football analyst that thinks the Jets are a serious contender for the Super Bowl?

SpurzN703
08-27-2012, 10:19 PM
You are a SB champ if you win the SB- the highest honor you can have. There is just 1 team per year that can be SB champ but the top teams are elite which the Jets have been under Rex overall(though obviously we weren't last year).

You might begin to sway me into thinking about the Jets possibly being elite if they just would've gotten to a SB once in the last 40 years. To continue to not be able to do so screams non-elite.

It's like saying they're elite but not as elite as the teams who actually get to the SB and/or win it. You can't be "sorta-elite".

WVDolphan
08-27-2012, 11:07 PM
I just love how you guys post your criteria then you don't follow it all for the sole purpose of being afraid to label the Jets elite under rex.

Im sorry but 8-7, 11-5, and 8-8 does not make you elite. It makes you mediocre. Yea, they won 2 impressive playoff games. At San Diego and At New England. Thats decent. But, certainly not elite.

Facts are that they never wouldve won that game At San Diego the first season had the Colts actually gave 2 ****s. Secondly, they got completely destroyed in that first AFC title game.

Finally, when the Jests go 4-12 this season, Rex wont even have a winning record for his career.

One last thing................ TONY SPARANO! :lol: :lol: :sidelol: :lol:

TONY SPARANO runs your offense. :lol: Has that really even hit you yet? It seems to slip your mind. Becuase if you were truly aware of that fact, you wouldnt even bother speaking about football until he gets fired from his position with your team.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 08:28 AM
Jets top 5 all time greatest achievements.

1.Won Super Bowl III
2.
3.
4.
5.

ok and the dolphins have just 1 more, what is your point?

Playoff wins since 2001 for the Dolphins

2001 ZERO
2002 ZERO
2003 ZERO
2004 ZERO
2005 ZERO
2006 ZERO
2007 ZERO
2008 ZERO
2009 ZERO
2010 ZERO
2011 ZERO


I've never veered from my criteria. I said I think you need quality regular seasons to be considered 1 of the best teams. The Giants did not have playoff success in between their Super Bowls, but they went 12-4, 8-8, and 10-6 before winning another Super Bowl. That is more wins in 3 years during the regular season than the Jets have had in the last 3 years. I still would not consider them elite had they lost the NFCC game instead of winning 2 Super Bowls.

I don't go along with your criteria that just because you advance farther than other teams in the playoffs, that makes you one of the best. I don't think, 2010 Seattle should have been ranked with NO, Bal, and NE for the 2011 season just becasue they won the same amount (or more in some casses) of playoff games than those teams. Denver won more playoff games than GB, SF, Hou and Pitt last year. That doesn't mean that they were better than those teams. The Jets are not elite. That is an honest opinion that has nothing to do with jealously or fear. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not elite. How many other "Elite" teams have media and fans that think they will miss the playoffs and might win 6, 7 or 8 games in the coming year? Is anyone thinking that about NE, GB, Pitt, NO or Bal? Can you show me one credible football analyst that thinks the Jets are a serious contender for the Super Bowl?

You absolutely did, on one hand you are saying you need reg season and postseason success and you mocked the Jets winning 9 and 11 games but when it is brought up the Giants won 9 and 10 games you ammend it to include them.


The bottom line- under Rex:

#1 in AFC in playoff wins
#1(tied) in NFL in playoff wins
#1 in NFL in conf title game apps
Only team in NFL w/ multiple playoff wins in 2 of those 3 seasons

That's elite.


Im sorry but 8-7, 11-5, and 8-8 does not make you elite. It makes you mediocre. Yea, they won 2 impressive playoff games. At San Diego and At New England. Thats decent. But, certainly not elite.

Facts are that they never wouldve won that game At San Diego the first season had the Colts actually gave 2 ****s. Secondly, they got completely destroyed in that first AFC title game.

Finally, when the Jests go 4-12 this season, Rex wont even have a winning record for his career.

One last thing................ TONY SPARANO! :lol: :lol: :sidelol: :lol:

TONY SPARANO runs your offense. :lol: Has that really even hit you yet? It seems to slip your mind. Becuase if you were truly aware of that fact, you wouldnt even bother speaking about football until he gets fired from his position with your team.

We can play the if game all day- if Victor Cruz doesn't go 99 yds the Giants miss the playoffs, if Tom Brady doesn't get hurt in '08 Miami misses the playoffs, if Miami doesn't play 5-6 dead teams to end 2008 they don't make the playoffs but those things happened and Indy rested their starters for a qtr and a half and we took advantage then had playoff success.

There's a better chance Miami wins the next 5 SBs than the Jets going 4-12.

Tony is not our HC, he's our OC. It's funny how the scapegoat last offseason for your O was Dan henning and now it's Tony's fault.

J. David Wannyheimer
08-28-2012, 09:21 AM
You forgot to put been to AFCCG twice in a row at number 2...

They're hanging up the banners at halftime, game one. They will go up alongside the Giants' last two World Championship banners.

SpurzN703
08-28-2012, 10:14 AM
ok and the dolphins have just 1 more, what is your point?

Playoff wins since 2001 for the Dolphins

2001 ZERO
2002 ZERO
2003 ZERO
2004 ZERO
2005 ZERO
2006 ZERO
2007 ZERO
2008 ZERO
2009 ZERO
2010 ZERO
2011 ZERO

This has nothing to do with the Dolphins. The Dolphins will win 3 games this year. My team is ****. That doesn't change the situation that the Jets are not elite. They are not elite.

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The bottom line- under Rex:

#1 in AFC in playoff wins
#1(tied) in NFL in playoff wins
#1 in NFL in conf title game apps
Only team in NFL w/ multiple playoff wins in 2 of those 3 seasons

That's elite.

Only team to do all of that and not get to the SB. Verrrrrry elite.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 10:34 AM
They're hanging up the banners at halftime, game one. They will go up alongside the Giants' last two World Championship banners.

where did the dolphin banners of the last 30 years go? next to the marlin or Hurricane banners?

Kinzua
08-28-2012, 11:08 AM
In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues. :woot:

I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9! :sidelol:

SpurzN703
08-28-2012, 11:17 AM
where did the dolphin banners of the last 30 years go? next to the marlin or Hurricane banners?

The last Dolphin banner would've been in 1973 which was a few years after yours. I don't give a damn what happened 40 years ago. Ancient history

The New Guy
08-28-2012, 11:34 AM
You absolutely did, on one hand you are saying you need reg season and postseason success and you mocked the Jets winning 9 and 11 games but when it is brought up the Giants won 9 and 10 games you ammend it to include them.


The bottom line- under Rex:

#1 in AFC in playoff wins
#1(tied) in NFL in playoff wins
#1 in NFL in conf title game apps
Only team in NFL w/ multiple playoff wins in 2 of those 3 seasons

That's elite.


I have never mocked the Jets winning 11 games. Winning 10 or more games is a quality regular season. The Giants went 10-6, 12-4 ,8-8, 10-6 and 9-7. They only had 2 seasons out of 5 that they won less than 10 games, and they won the Super Bowl during one of those subpar seasons. The Jets have had 2 out of 3 seasons winning 9 or less with no Super Bowl win or even an app. That is not elite.






In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues. :woot:

I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9! :sidelol:

Outside of the extra 1.5 million cap hit the Jets have to take on, I think it was a good move. Hunter was probably never going to regain his starting spot back anyway and the Jets got a former #2 overall pick. Granted, he has been terrible, but he still has that potential that made him a #2 pick. Will a change in scenery bring it out of him? I doubt it, but what do the Jets have to lose? A poor backup in Hunter? Not a very big loss if you ask me.

DisturbedShifty
08-28-2012, 11:41 AM
I have never mocked the Jets winning 11 games. Winning 10 or more games is a quality regular season. The Giants went 10-6, 12-4 ,8-8, 10-6 and 9-7. They only had 2 seasons out of 5 that they won less than 10 games, and they won the Super Bowl during one of those subpar seasons. The Jets have had 2 out of 3 seasons winning 9 or less with no Super Bowl win or even an app. That is not elite.







Outside of the extra 1.5 million cap hit the Jets have to take on, I think it was a good move. Hunter was probably never going to regain his starting spot back anyway and the Jets got a former #2 overall pick. Granted, he has been terrible, but he still has that potential that made him a #2 pick. Will a change in scenery bring it out of him? I doubt it, but what do the Jets have to lose? A poor backup in Hunter? Not a very big loss if you ask me.
This deserves a standing ovation.


Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 11:41 AM
In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues. :woot:

I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9! :sidelol:

Anthony Munoz couldn't handle any of those GREAT Bills DL so we have no shot anyway.


I have never mocked the Jets winning 11 games. Winning 10 or more games is a quality regular season. The Giants went 10-6, 12-4 ,8-8, 10-6 and 9-7. They only had 2 seasons out of 5 that they won less than 10 games, and they won the Super Bowl during one of those subpar seasons. The Jets have had 2 out of 3 seasons winning 9 or less with no Super Bowl win or even an app. That is not elite.







Outside of the extra 1.5 million cap hit the Jets have to take on, I think it was a good move. Hunter was probably never going to regain his starting spot back anyway and the Jets got a former #2 overall pick. Granted, he has been terrible, but he still has that potential that made him a #2 pick. Will a change in scenery bring it out of him? I doubt it, but what do the Jets have to lose? A poor backup in Hunter? Not a very big loss if you ask me.

2010 the Giants had a chance to take control of their playoff destiny and were humiliated in Gb in week 16, they won a meaningless game in week 17 to get their 10th win and they went 3 consecutive seasons w/o winning a playoff game(and 9 of 10 seasons)

Daytona Fin
08-28-2012, 12:44 PM
In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues. :woot:

I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9! :sidelol:
Hmmm, a week before the season starts and the jets are still shuffling the OL around. Sounds familiar , where have i seen this before?

The New Guy
08-28-2012, 02:54 PM
2010 the Giants had a chance to take control of their playoff destiny and were humiliated in Gb in week 16, they won a meaningless game in week 17 to get their 10th win and they went 3 consecutive seasons w/o winning a playoff game(and 9 of 10 seasons)

No game is meaningless unless you have been eliminated. The Giants put themselves in a bad spot with that loss to GB (eventual SB champs) but they still won 10 games and still had a shot at the playoffs with some help. Chi lost to GB 10-3 the next week, so the Giants got eliminated. 10 wins is still 10 wins and will get you a spot more times than not. I'm not going give more credit or take away credit from the Giants season based on something that another team (That the Giants had nothing to do with) did or didn't do. You seem to forget that the Giants also won 2 Super Bowls in between these regular seasons that are better than the Jets regular seasons over the past 3 years. That is what makes them elite.

12-4 ,8-8, and 10-6 in between 2 Super Bowl wins = elite.

9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl win or app = not elite.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 02:58 PM
No game is meaningless unless you have been eliminated. The Giants put themselves in a bad spot with that loss to GB (eventual SB champs) but they still won 10 games and still had a shot at the playoffs with some help. Chi lost to GB 10-3 the next week, so the Giants got eliminated. 10 wins is still 10 wins and will get you a spot more times than not. I'm not going give more credit or take away credit from the Giants season based on something that another team (That the Giants had nothing to do with) did or didn't do. You seem to forget that the Giants also won 2 Super Bowls in between these regular seasons that are better than the Jets regular seasons over the past 3 years. That is what makes them elite.

12-4 ,8-8, and 10-6 in between 2 Super Bowl wins = elite.

9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl win or app = not elite.

They had no shot, they lost control b/c they got crushed at GB where the elite one threw 4 INTs. The 10th win was meaningless.

You like to use the "won 9 or l;ss games" well the Giants only won more 10 once and the year they did it they were one and done w/ a home playoff loss

SpurzN703
08-28-2012, 03:21 PM
No game is meaningless unless you have been eliminated. The Giants put themselves in a bad spot with that loss to GB (eventual SB champs) but they still won 10 games and still had a shot at the playoffs with some help. Chi lost to GB 10-3 the next week, so the Giants got eliminated. 10 wins is still 10 wins and will get you a spot more times than not. I'm not going give more credit or take away credit from the Giants season based on something that another team (That the Giants had nothing to do with) did or didn't do. You seem to forget that the Giants also won 2 Super Bowls in between these regular seasons that are better than the Jets regular seasons over the past 3 years. That is what makes them elite.

12-4 ,8-8, and 10-6 in between 2 Super Bowl wins = elite.

9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl win or app = not elite.

You have to hold the playoff/SB wins with higher merit than regular season victories. Winning 9 games and the championship as the Wild Card team (especially the 6 seed) is more impressive to me than going 14-2 and having a first round bye.

To me, if you're good enough to make the playoffs, nothing else is relevant looking backwards.

Tzimisce_
08-28-2012, 03:28 PM
In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues. :woot:

I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9! :sidelol:

I'm looking forward to the Bills blowing out the Jets 42-3.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 03:45 PM
I'm looking forward to the Bills blowing out the Jets 42-3.

There's a better chance we see a Miami-Buffalo AFC Championship game than seeing Buf A)score 42 on us and B)hold us to 3 pts.

Tzimisce_
08-28-2012, 04:04 PM
There's a better chance we see a Miami-Buffalo AFC Championship game than seeing Buf A)score 42 on us and B)hold us to 3 pts.

They may not score that much with Revis and Babymaker in the secondary but I could see them holding you to 3 points. The Pats did it with a less talented defense and with the Jets having a more talented offense than they will field when they play Buffalo.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 04:07 PM
They may not score that much with Revis and Babymaker in the secondary but I could see them holding you to 3 points. The Pats did it with a less talented defense and with the Jets having a more talented offense than they will field when they play Buffalo.

The Pats are the Pats, they put so much pressure on you offensively that things can snowball out of control. The Bills aren't the Pats, this game is not being played in Foxboro, Chan Gailey is not BB, Rya Fitz is not Brady, etc...

The New Guy
08-28-2012, 04:36 PM
They had no shot, they lost control b/c they got crushed at GB where the elite one threw 4 INTs. The 10th win was meaningless.

You like to use the "won 9 or l;ss games" well the Giants only won more 10 once and the year they did it they were one and done w/ a home playoff loss

They did have a shot. All they needed was a GB loss in week 17. They didn't get it. 10 wins or more is a quality season to me. The Jets 2009 and 2011 seasons are not. The Jets struggled to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons with no Super Bowl win or app. I would not consider the Giants as elite based on their regular seasons alone. They won 2 Super Bowls in 5 seasons with quality regular seasons 3 out of the 5 of those years. 1 of the 2 sub par season they had, they won the Super Bowl again.



You have to hold the playoff/SB wins with higher merit than regular season victories. Winning 9 games and the championship as the Wild Card team (especially the 6 seed) is more impressive to me than going 14-2 and having a first round bye.

To me, if you're good enough to make the playoffs, nothing else is relevant looking backwards.

Playoff wins are more important than regular seasons wins. But I am not going to put a team like 7-9 Seattle ahead of the Giants or Buccaneers who both won 10 games that year just becasue Seattle made the playoffs and those teams didn't. 10 wins will usually get you in. My outlook of the Giants 2010 season would not change even if GB had lost that final game and given the Giants a spot in the playoffs. They won 10 games and lost control of their playoff destiny in week 16. It doesn't matter to me what other teams (That your team has no control over) do or do not do which is the difference in you making the playoffs or not. 10 wins is a quality regular season and usually good enough to get you in. I'm not giving more credit to a team who won less than 10 games just becasue they made the playoffs with a worse record based upon something another team did.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 04:38 PM
They did have a shot. All they needed was a GB loss in week 17. They didn't get it. 10 wins or more is a quality season to me. The Jets 2009 and 2011 seasons are not. The Jets struggled to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons with no Super Bowl win or app. I would not consider the Giants as elite based on their regular seasons alone. They won 2 Super Bowls in 5 seasons with quality regular seasons 3 out of the 5 of those years. 1 of the 2 sub par season they had, they won the Super Bowl again.




Playoff wins are more important than regular seasons wins. But I am not going to put a team like 7-9 Seattle ahead of the Giants or Buccaneers who both won 10 games that year just becasue Seattle made the playoffs and those teams didn't. 10 wins will usually get you in. My outlook of the Giants 2010 season would not change even if GB had lost that final game and given the Giants a spot in the playoffs. They won 10 games and lost control of their playoff destiny in week 16. It doesn't matter to me what other teams (That your team has no control over) do or do not do which is the difference in you making the playoffs or not. 10 wins is a quality regular season and usually good enough to get you in. I'm not giving more credit to a team in a different year who won less than 10 games just becasue they made the playoffs with a worse record based upon something another team did.

All they needed was a Gb los against a Chi team that had wrapped everything up. They had their chance in week 16 and got humiliated. I'm not impressed they beat a abd redskin team in week 17 to pad their record.

The Giants struggled to win 9 games the last 3 seasons.

The New Guy
08-28-2012, 04:47 PM
All they needed was a Gb los against a Chi team that had wrapped everything up. They had their chance in week 16 and got humiliated. I'm not impressed they beat a abd redskin team in week 17 to pad their record.

The Giants struggled to win 9 games the last 3 seasons.

The Jets needed Buff to lose to a team that had everything wrapped up in order to clinch a spot in 2004. They got the loss they needed. The Giants didn't. You claim the Jets took care of business by losing the final 3 out of 4 games when in reality, they only made the playoffs based upon a team losing to another team that had everything wrapped up. Both teams won 10 games. It was good enough for 1 team based on something they had nothing to do with.

You keep forgetting that the Giants won 2 Super Bowls and the Jets have won nothing.

nyjunc
08-28-2012, 04:49 PM
The Jets needed Buff to lose to a team that had everything wrapped up in order to clinch a spot in 2004. They got the loss they needed. The Giants didn't. You claim the Jets took care of business by losing the final 3 out of 4 games when in reality, they only made the playoffs based upon a team losing to another team that had everything wrapped up. Both teams won 10 games. It was good enough for 1 team based on something they had nothing to do with.

You keep forgetting that the Giants won 2 Super Bowls and the Jets have won nothing.

No we didn't, a win or tie and we were in. If Buf had won we still would have made it b/c different decisions would have been made in OT.

I don't forget that but you said you need reg season and postseason success, I'm using your criteria which changes to keep the Jets out.

The New Guy
08-28-2012, 06:36 PM
No we didn't, a win or tie and we were in. If Buf had won we still would have made it b/c different decisions would have been made in OT.

I don't forget that but you said you need reg season and postseason success, I'm using your criteria which changes to keep the Jets out.

The Jets didn't get the win or the tie, so they needed Buff to lose to a team that had everything wrapped up. I've shown you quotes from the head coach and players that said they were trying to win the game. You can speculate all you want, but you have no clue that the Jets would / could have won that game had Buff won. Both teams won 10 games on both teams needed another team they were not playing to lose in the final week in order to clinch a spot. The Jets got the loss from Buff and the Giants didn't get the loss from GB.

My criteria has never changed. Your interpretation of what I consider a quality regular season is what changes things for you. How can you tell me what I consider a quality regular season? I already told you that 10 or more wins is a quality regular season to me. The Giants had (1) 8-8 season and (1) 9-7 season that came with a second Super Bowl title. They won 10 or more games the other 3. Over a 5 year period that is quality regular seasons and playoff success. (2 Super Bowl titles) The key is the winning the Super Bowl 2 out of the last 5 seasons. Without that, they would not be elite just like the Jets.

It is very sad that you can't see that the Jets are not elite and instead think that people try and make stuff up just to exclude the Jets from their list of elite teams because you think they are bitter and jealous. :bobdole:

9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 over 3 seasons with nothing to show for it has never been, and never will be elite.

13ktownguy
08-28-2012, 06:58 PM
This is funny, I cant believe how dense some people are!

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 08:05 AM
The Jets didn't get the win or the tie, so they needed Buff to lose to a team that had everything wrapped up. I've shown you quotes from the head coach and players that said they were trying to win the game. You can speculate all you want, but you have no clue that the Jets would / could have won that game had Buff won. Both teams won 10 games on both teams needed another team they were not playing to lose in the final week in order to clinch a spot. The Jets got the loss from Buff and the Giants didn't get the loss from GB.

My criteria has never changed. Your interpretation of what I consider a quality regular season is what changes things for you. How can you tell me what I consider a quality regular season? I already told you that 10 or more wins is a quality regular season to me. The Giants had (1) 8-8 season and (1) 9-7 season that came with a second Super Bowl title. They won 10 or more games the other 3. Over a 5 year period that is quality regular seasons and playoff success. (2 Super Bowl titles) The key is the winning the Super Bowl 2 out of the last 5 seasons. Without that, they would not be elite just like the Jets.

It is very sad that you can't see that the Jets are not elite and instead think that people try and make stuff up just to exclude the Jets from their list of elite teams because you think they are bitter and jealous. :bobdole:

9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 over 3 seasons with nothing to show for it has never been, and never will be elite.

The game was over long before our game was over, decisions were made that wouldn't have been made had Buf won and again we didn't need Buf to lose going into that game. We didn't face Buf a week earlier and get thrashed. The situations were nothing alike.

Your criteria is always changing tryingto keep the Jets out of the elite discussion.

The Giants didn't win a single playoff game from '08-'10, they had one 10 win season which wasn't really a 10 win season b/c week 17 was meaningless after being thrashed by Gb a week earlier.


MOST playoff wins in AFC
tied for MOST playoff wins in NFL
MOST conf championship games apps in NFL
ONLY team to win multiple playoff games in multiple years

That's elite.

13ktownguy
08-29-2012, 08:19 AM
The game was over long before our game was over, decisions were made that wouldn't have been made had Buf won and again we didn't need Buf to lose going into that game. We didn't face Buf a week earlier and get thrashed. The situations were nothing alike.

Your criteria is always changing tryingto keep the Jets out of the elite discussion.

The Giants didn't win a single playoff game from '08-'10, they had one 10 win season which wasn't really a 10 win season b/c week 17 was meaningless after being thrashed by Gb a week earlier.


MOST playoff wins in AFC
tied for MOST playoff wins in NFL
MOST conf championship games apps in NFL
ONLY team to win multiple playoff games in multiple years

That's elite.
Nope! Sorry you've got no one convinced not even Jet fans...give it a break pal!

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 08:26 AM
Nope! Sorry you've got no one convinced not even Jet fans...give it a break pal!

I don't need to convince anyone, it's obvious to anyone who follows this game. If we switched the name Jets for dolphins you guys would be singing a different tune.

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 10:02 AM
Playoff wins are more important than regular seasons wins. But I am not going to put a team like 7-9 Seattle ahead of the Giants or Buccaneers who both won 10 games that year just becasue Seattle made the playoffs and those teams didn't. 10 wins will usually get you in. My outlook of the Giants 2010 season would not change even if GB had lost that final game and given the Giants a spot in the playoffs. They won 10 games and lost control of their playoff destiny in week 16. It doesn't matter to me what other teams (That your team has no control over) do or do not do which is the difference in you making the playoffs or not. 10 wins is a quality regular season and usually good enough to get you in. I'm not giving more credit to a team who won less than 10 games just becasue they made the playoffs with a worse record based upon something another team did.

I agree. Seattle did what they had to in order to make the playoffs and even beat the Saints. Would that have happened if they played NO 9 more times, who knows?

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MOST playoff wins in AFC
tied for MOST playoff wins in NFL
MOST conf championship games apps in NFL
ONLY team to win multiple playoff games in multiple years

That's elite.

You listed what you thought were the elite teams in the NFL. The funny part? All of the teams you listed except the Jets have gotten to and won the Super Bowl. That should be enough right there to show your bias.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 10:13 AM
I agree. Seattle did what they had to in order to make the playoffs and even beat the Saints. Would that have happened if they played NO 9 more times, who knows?

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You listed what you thought were the elite teams in the NFL. The funny part? All of the teams you listed except the Jets have gotten to and won the Super Bowl. That should be enough right there to show your bias.

baltimore hasn't gotten to or won a SB, NE hasn't won a SB, Pitt hasn't won a SB

13ktownguy
08-29-2012, 11:01 AM
I don't need to convince anyone, it's obvious to anyone who follows this game. If we switched the name Jets for dolphins you guys would be singing a different tune.

Except we wouldn't care what you thought. I talk to Jet fans on an other board and they all hate your GM, Rex and most dont like Sanchez either! You are in the minority even amongst Jet fans.

The New Guy
08-29-2012, 11:05 AM
The game was over long before our game was over, decisions were made that wouldn't have been made had Buf won and again we didn't need Buf to lose going into that game. We didn't face Buf a week earlier and get thrashed. The situations were nothing alike.

Your criteria is always changing tryingto keep the Jets out of the elite discussion.

The Giants didn't win a single playoff game from '08-'10, they had one 10 win season which wasn't really a 10 win season b/c week 17 was meaningless after being thrashed by Gb a week earlier.


MOST playoff wins in AFC
tied for MOST playoff wins in NFL
MOST conf championship games apps in NFL
ONLY team to win multiple playoff games in multiple years

That's elite.

Both games were played at the same time during the same day. The Jets went to OT while the Buff game ended in regulation. The Bills game wasn't over when the Jets were down 21-10 in the 3rd. You can speculate that different decisions would have been made had Buff won, but the players and the head coach of the team says otherwise:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005...nnie-henderson (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005-01-04/sports/18299339_1_wayne-chrebet-jets-donnie-henderson)


OVER AND OVER: Would Edwards have tried that 53-yard FG attempt in overtime if the Jets needed a victory to secure a playoff berth? Interesting question.
Edwards knew the Jets had clinched a spot by virtue of the Bills' loss to the Steelers, so there was less risk involved for a long field goal. Edwards said he would have played it the same way even if they had been in a must-win situation. Doug Brien's miss gave the Rams a short field, setting up the game-winning FG.

The coach admitted he was a "little concerned" about using Martin in a meaningless overtime, but he added, "We were trying to win the game."

Even if different decision would have been made, you still have no clue if those decisions would have led to a Jets victory. Had the Jets punted, the Rams would have been getting the ball back in OT for the 3rd time.

The bottom line is, the Jets lost the game and without a Buff loss, they would have been eliminated from the playoffs. The Jets were in a better position going into the game because they controlled their destiny, but becasue they lost, they were in the exact same situation as the Giants in 2010, which was needing another team to lose in order to clinch a spot. The Jets didn't play Buff the week before, but they did play them 7 or 8 weeks before and lost which is why the Bills had the opportunity to eliminate the Jets with a win.

10 wins is 10 wins. I'm not going to claim that one team took care of business and one team didn't just because one team got help and the other team didn't.


Please tell me how my criteria is always changing? I said 10 wins is a quality season to me. The Giants did not have just one 10 win season from 08 to 10. You forgot the 12-4 season they had in 08. 3 out of 5 seasons they won 10 or more games. That is winning 10 or more games 60% of the time. The other sub par season that accounts for 20% of that they won the Super Bowl. Obviously, when you win the Super Bowl you can get a pass for a 9-7 season. So, 80% of the time over 5 seasons the Giants either won 10 or more games, or won the Super Bowl. The Jets have won 10 or more games 1 time out of 3, and no Super Bowl win or even an app.


Lets compare one more time:

Giants win 10 or more games (or Super Bowl) 80% of the time.
Jets win 10 or more games (or the Super Bowl) 33% of the time.

Can you not see why 1 is elite and the other is not?

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 11:13 AM
Except we wouldn't care what you thought. I talk to Jet fans on an other board and they all hate your GM, Rex and most dont like Sanchez either! You are in the minority even amongst Jet fans.

That's b/c they are typical fans that sway in the wind. I'm not one of those guys. I bet they wanted Brett favre too. Just b/c I may be in the minority doesn't mean I am wrong, more often than not I turn out to be correct.


Both games were played at the same time during the same day. The Jets went to OT while the Buff game ended in regulation. The Bills game wasn't over when the Jets were down 21-10 in the 3rd. You can speculate that different decisions would have been made had Buff won, but the players and the head coach of the team says otherwise:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005...nnie-henderson (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005-01-04/sports/18299339_1_wayne-chrebet-jets-donnie-henderson)



Even if different decision would have been made, you still have no clue if those decisions would have led to a Jets victory. Had the Jets punted, the Rams would have been getting the ball back in OT for the 3rd time.

The bottom line is, the Jets lost the game and without a Buff loss, they would have been eliminated from the playoffs. The Jets were in a better position going into the game because they controlled their destiny, but becasue they lost, they were in the exact same situation as the Giants in 2010, which was needing another team to lose in order to clinch a spot. The Jets didn't play Buff the week before, but they did play them 7 or 8 weeks before and lost which is why the Bills had the opportunity to eliminate the Jets with a win.

10 wins is 10 wins. I'm not going to claim that one team took care of business and one team didn't just because one team got help and the other team didn't.


Please tell me how my criteria is always changing? I said 10 wins is a quality season to me. The Giants did not have just one 10 win season from 08 to 10. You forgot the 12-4 season they had in 08. 3 out of 5 seasons they won 10 or more games. That is winning 10 or more games 60% of the time. The other sub par season that accounts for 20% of that they won the Super Bowl. Obviously, when you win the Super Bowl you can get a pass for a 9-7 season. So, 80% of the time over 5 seasons the Giants either won 10 or more games, or won the Super Bowl. The Jets have won 10 or more games 1 time out of 3, and no Super Bowl win or even an app.


Lets compare one more time:

Giants win 10 or more games (or Super Bowl) 80% of the time.
Jets win 10 or more games (or the Super Bowl) 33% of the time.

Can you not see why 1 is elite and the other is not?

The Buf game ended first, the Jets knew what happened entering OT.

I don't care what Herm said, coaches lie. It's easy to say that knowing you were in the playoffs but if they found out Buf won I guarantee you there is no way they attempt that FG.

It would have made it much more likely we tied or one by pinning them deep n SL territory rather than handing them the ball near midfield.

They were never in the same situation as the Giants b/c we could lose and get in(like we did) while the Giants could win and not get in.


Go back and read your posts, it's changed numerous times to keep the Jets out.

2009-2011
Jets 2 playoff apps, Giants 1
jets 4 playoff wins, Giants 4
jets 2 title games, Giants 2
Jets 11 wins in best season, Giants 10(meaningless 10)

The Giants were medicore the last few years until that SB run but w/ that SB run they move into the elite categotry joinging teams like the Jets in the 2009-2011 years.

jetsattack
08-29-2012, 11:36 AM
at least the jets will have a really good defense. besides the dolphins trying to figure out how to score...how on earth are they gonna stop anyone from scoring either? i thought vontae was gonna surpass revis :/

The New Guy
08-29-2012, 11:44 AM
The Buf game ended first, the Jets knew what happened entering OT.

I don't care what Herm said, coaches lie. It's easy to say that knowing you were in the playoffs but if they found out Buf won I guarantee you there is no way they attempt that FG.

It would have made it much more likely we tied or one by pinning them deep n SL territory rather than handing them the ball near midfield.

They were never in the same situation as the Giants b/c we could lose and get in(like we did) while the Giants could win and not get in.


Go back and read your posts, it's changed numerous times to keep the Jets out.

2009-2011
Jets 2 playoff apps, Giants 1
jets 4 playoff wins, Giants 4
jets 2 title games, Giants 2
Jets 11 wins in best season, Giants 10(meaningless 10)

The Giants were medicore the last few years until that SB run but w/ that SB run they move into the elite categotry joinging teams like the Jets in the 2009-2011 years.

You can speculate on what you think would have happened all you want. The facts are, they lost and would not have gotten in without a Buff loss. The Giants won their last game which put them in the same spot as the Jets which was needing another team to lose in order to clinch a spot. Both teams won 10 games and both teams needed another team to lose to clinch a spot. One team got help and the other team didn't.

You are the one that needs to go back and read my post. My criteria has never changed.

I'm not sure what the 2009-2011 comparisons are supposed to prove. They are also inaccurate. The only thing you need to know from 2009-2011 is that the Giants have 1 Super Bowl win and the Jets have 0. How does a team that wins a Super Bowl get moved into a group with a team that hasn't?

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 11:58 AM
You can speculate on what you think would have happened all you want. The facts are, they lost and would not have gotten in without a Buff loss. The Giants won their last game which put them in the same spot as the Jets which was needing another team to lose in order to clinch a spot. Both teams won 10 games and both teams needed another team to lose to clinch a spot. One team got help and the other team didn't.

You are the one that needs to go back and read my post. My criteria has never changed.

I'm not sure what the 2009-2011 comparisons are supposed to prove. They are also inaccurate. The only thing you need to know from 2009-2011 is that the Giants have 1 Super Bowl win and the Jets have 0. How does a team that wins a Super Bowl get moved into a group with a team that hasn't?

The facts are we didn't have to win in week 17 to make the playoffs, we didn't even have to win in week 16 and we made it. the Giants needed to win and get help in week17- 2 very different scenarios.


Here is your quote from the other day:


To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams.

2009-2011 the Giants missed TWO of 3 postseasons and made it at 9-7. They had postseason success last year so they are elite but the Jets have MORE reg seaqson wins, MORE playoff apps, MORE title game apps and the same # of playoff wins. The jets also demonstarted a consistency going 67% of the time vs. 33%. The Giants have the ultimate win which trumps all but the bottom line is under rex the Jets are elite.

Kinzua
08-29-2012, 11:58 AM
There's a better chance we see a Miami-Buffalo AFC Championship game than seeing Buf A)score 42 on us and B)hold us to 3 pts.

I agree that 42 points is a bit optimistic, but 31 isn't totally out of the question with a couple of patented Sanchez pick-sixes, but the Bills probably only need a couple of TDs since the 3 is definitely do-able.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 11:59 AM
I agree that 42 points is a bit optimistic, but 31 isn't totally out of the question with a couple of patented Sanchez pick-sixes, but the Bills probably only need a couple of TDs since the 3 is definitely do-able.

The Bills O has been amazing this preseason too so I could see wher you would expect a few TDs and we know Fitz never throws INTs. I'm thinking Buffalo 49 Jets 6

Kinzua
08-29-2012, 12:12 PM
The Pats are the Pats, they put so much pressure on you offensively that things can snowball out of control. The Bills aren't the Pats, this game is not being played in Foxboro, Chan Gailey is not BB, Rya Fitz is not Brady, etc...

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Between the boo-birds and Tebots who will make the Jests feel so well loved, they might prefer that the game was played in Ralph Wilson Stadium.

You are right that the Bills don't have Belichick or Brady, but they do have Mark, Kyle, Marcell, and Mario. Sanchez might want to bring an extra change of Fruit of the Looms. :lol:

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 12:22 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Between the boo-birds and Tebots who will make the Jests feel so well loved, they might prefer that the game was played in Ralph Wilson Stadium.

You are right that the Bills don't have Belichick or Brady, but they do have Mark, Kyle, Marcell, and Mario. Sanchez might want to bring an extra change of Fruit of the Looms. :lol:

I'd love to play in that HS Stadium in Orchard park, we haven't lost there since 2007.

You act like the Bills are a sure thing, only Anderson has ever been a part of a winning franchise and he was more along for the ride.

WVDolphan
08-29-2012, 12:26 PM
:lol:

Reading through this whole thread......

I believe there is enough here to get NYJunc committed by a judge if anyone filed the papers.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 12:30 PM
:lol:

Reading through this whole thread......

I believe there is enough here to get NYJunc committed by a judge if anyone filed the papers.

any objective person can see what is going on here. this is a site of one of our biggest rivals, I don't expect agreement despite the overwhelming facts on my side.

CalDolFan1014
08-29-2012, 01:02 PM
any objective person can see what is going on here. this is a site of one of our biggest rivals, I don't expect agreement despite the overwhelming facts on my side.

:chuckle:

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 02:15 PM
baltimore hasn't gotten to or won a SB, NE hasn't won a SB, Pitt hasn't won a SB

Yet they've consistently had good records around their SB wins. I said before that Baltimore, while elite, is at the bottom of the "elite pool". Pittsburgh has been in three and won two SBs since 2005. Sandwich that around records of 8-8 and up, that's elite.

You're telling me New England isn't elite?

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 02:18 PM
any objective person can see what is going on here. this is a site of one of our biggest rivals, I don't expect agreement despite the overwhelming facts on my side.

This statement couldn't be any more ridiculous. Had the Jets won a Super Bowl in recent times and had success afterwards, I would have no problem at all deeming them elite. It's one thing to be a homer, it's another thing to be an in-denial moron.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 02:37 PM
Yet they've consistently had good records around their SB wins. I said before that Baltimore, while elite, is at the bottom of the "elite pool". Pittsburgh has been in three and won two SBs since 2005. Sandwich that around records of 8-8 and up, that's elite.

You're telling me New England isn't elite?

I think all those teams are elite, I was responding to what you wrote earlier and AGAIN we are discussing the league since Rex got here in 2009. Pitt's 2 SBs don't come into play or NE's 3. Please explain how you think Baltimore is elite and the jets aren't.

title game apps
NYJ 2
bal 1

playoff wins
NYJ 4
Bal 3

Playoff apps
Bal 3
NYJ 2

How can Bal be elite and the Jets aren't?


This statement couldn't be any more ridiculous. Had the Jets won a Super Bowl in recent times and had success afterwards, I would have no problem at all deeming them elite. It's one thing to be a homer, it's another thing to be an in-denial moron.

Resorting to hurling childish insults b/c, as usual, you are wrong. Go spend some time making up new criteria for elite teams all b/c of your petty jealousy to leave out the Jets.

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 03:26 PM
Resorting to hurling childish insults b/c, as usual, you are wrong. Go spend some time making up new criteria for elite teams all b/c of your petty jealousy to leave out the Jets.

I wasn't being insulting to you. I was generalizing the difference between a homer who sees nothing wrong with their team while criticizing everyone else, and an in-denial moron who would say the Patriots are the worst team in the league.

I wasn't calling you or anyone else specific any insulted names. I respect you and others here. I wouldn't be so cruel.

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 03:32 PM
I think all those teams are elite, I was responding to what you wrote earlier and AGAIN we are discussing the league since Rex got here in 2009. Pitt's 2 SBs don't come into play or NE's 3. Please explain how you think Baltimore is elite and the jets aren't.

title game apps
NYJ 2
bal 1

playoff wins
NYJ 4
Bal 3

Playoff apps
Bal 3
NYJ 2

How can Bal be elite and the Jets aren't?.

You give me **** for "changing my criteria about elite" so how are you any different? The NUMBER ONE THING AN ELITE TEAM HAS TO DO IS GET TO AND WIN A SUPER BOWL.

Baltimore is low on the list of being elite because they haven't been to the SB in 11 years. Since that time they've been to the playoffs 7 times. They are 116-72 in that span. They are also 4-0 vs. the Jets in that time period as well.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 03:39 PM
You give me **** for "changing my criteria about elite" so how are you any different? The NUMBER ONE THING AN ELITE TEAM HAS TO DO IS GET TO AND WIN A SUPER BOWL.

Baltimore is low on the list of being elite because they haven't been to the SB in 11 years. Since that time they've been to the playoffs 7 times. They are 116-72 in that span. They are also 4-0 vs. the Jets in that time period as well.

elite means one of the best not THE best. elite teams aren't just wons that win SBs, elite teams are the ones competing for SBs and no one has competed for more chances to represent their conf in the SB than the Jets since 2009.

who cares about Bal being 4-0 against us? what does 2004 or 2007 have to do w/ 2009-2011? Yo

The New Guy
08-29-2012, 03:54 PM
The facts are we didn't have to win in week 17 to make the playoffs, we didn't even have to win in week 16 and we made it. the Giants needed to win and get help in week17- 2 very different scenarios.


Here is your quote from the other day:



2009-2011 the Giants missed TWO of 3 postseasons and made it at 9-7. They had postseason success last year so they are elite but the Jets have MORE reg seaqson wins, MORE playoff apps, MORE title game apps and the same # of playoff wins. The jets also demonstarted a consistency going 67% of the time vs. 33%. The Giants have the ultimate win which trumps all but the bottom line is under rex the Jets are elite.

I already told you that the Jets were in a better position going into week 17. They were in a win and in scenario. The Giants not only needed a win, but they needed another team to lose in order to make it. The Jets lost their game, which meant they needed another team to lose to get in. The Giants won their game which meant they needed another team to lose to get in. 10 wins is 10 wins and what it came down to for both teams was needing another team to lose to get in.

I can't magically forget that the Giants won the Super Bowl in 2007. They won 12 games the next year and had another 10 win season after that. I'm judging the Giants over a 5 year period. They won 10 or more games or the Super Bowl 80% of the time in 5 seasons. The Jets over a 3 year period won 10 or more games 33% of the time.

If you took away the Giants Super Bowl wins and just compared both teams from 2009 - 2011, neither would be elite.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 04:04 PM
I already told you that the Jets were in a better position going into week 17. They were in a win and in scenario. The Giants not only needed a win, but they needed another team to lose in order to make it. The Jets lost their game, which meant they needed another team to lose to get in. The Giants won their game which meant they needed another team to lose to get in. 10 wins is 10 wins and what it came down to for both teams was needing another team to lose to get in.

I can't magically forget that the Giants won the Super Bowl in 2007. They won 12 games the next year and had another 10 win season after that. I'm judging the Giants over a 5 year period. They won 10 or more games or the Super Bowl 80% of the time in 5 seasons. The Jets over a 3 year period won 10 or more games 33% of the time.

If you took away the Giants Super Bowl wins and just compared both teams from 2009 - 2011, neither would be elite.

10 wins is not 10 wins, some years it means more than others. Our 2002 9 win team was much better than our 2001 10 win team. Miami in '03 were basically eliminated after falling to 8-6, they won 2 meaningless games to end the season to get to 10 wins. In '08 11 wins was like 9 in a normal year.

The discussion is about 2009-2011 so you can magically forget about 20007 and 2008 as they have no relevance in this discussion. They have one SB win in that span which does make them elite, their other 2 years were not elite.

SpurzN703
08-29-2012, 04:09 PM
elite means one of the best not THE best. elite teams aren't just wons that win SBs, elite teams are the ones competing for SBs and no one has competed for more chances to represent their conf in the SB than the Jets since 2009.

who cares about Bal being 4-0 against us? what does 2004 or 2007 have to do w/ 2009-2011? Yo

That isn't what elite is to me. The Jets aren't even one of the best teams in the league IMO. We'll never see eye to eye on this and that's fine.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 04:16 PM
That isn't what elite is to me. The Jets aren't even one of the best teams in the league IMO. We'll never see eye to eye on this and that's fine.

You want to say currently they aren't one of the best? ok, we'll see what happens this season but from 2009-2011 they were one of the best and the #s back that up.

Vaark
08-29-2012, 04:28 PM
An "elite" team isn't based on a 54 week slab of spam in a 139 week **** sandwich.. especially when 3 of those weeks involved charity, opposing teams playing meaningless games and facing the weakest team to make it to the postseason in many a year. Throw in no divisional championship, no superbowl appearances during that dubious heyday and the conclusion actually seems like an case of "bat-you-over-the-head-with-reality" overkill. :idk:

Unless the argument is more generic about how many SBs over what period constitutes "Elite" if it applies to the jest, this definitive post should terminate the /thread.

Sorry for the dose of greenless tinted reality. (well, actually Not), but it is what it is to anyone who's objective.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/05/dfw12h-1.jpg

The New Guy
08-29-2012, 04:40 PM
10 wins is not 10 wins, some years it means more than others. Our 2002 9 win team was much better than our 2001 10 win team. Miami in '03 were basically eliminated after falling to 8-6, they won 2 meaningless games to end the season to get to 10 wins. In '08 11 wins was like 9 in a normal year.

The discussion is about 2009-2011 so you can magically forget about 20007 and 2008 as they have no relevance in this discussion. They have one SB win in that span which does make them elite, their other 2 years were not elite.

10 wins might mean more in some years based on what other teams do, but I could care less about that. Just because one team gets help and makes the playoffs and another team does not get help and misses the playoffs, doesn't make 1 team better than the other.

The 2001 Jets earned their spot on their own with a win and not needing any other team to lose in the final week in order to clinch a spot. The 2002 Jets not only needed 2 wins, but they also needed Miami to lose the final 2 games in order to get a spot. Had Miami won and the Jets missed the playoffs, you would be telling me that the 2001 team was better. The 2001 Jets lost to the Raiders by 14. The 2002 Jets lost to that same Raider team by 20. My opinion of a team does not changed based on things that the team has nothing to do with.

It is hard to dissect other teams successful years just so we can put Rex Ryan's 3 years in the conversation. No matter how you look at it, 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl wins is not elite.

nyjunc
08-29-2012, 06:12 PM
10 wins might mean more in some years based on what other teams do, but I could care less about that. Just because one team gets help and makes the playoffs and another team does not get help and misses the playoffs, doesn't make 1 team better than the other.

The 2001 Jets earned their spot on their own with a win and not needing any other team to lose in the final week in order to clinch a spot. The 2002 Jets not only needed 2 wins, but they also needed Miami to lose the final 2 games in order to get a spot. Had Miami won and the Jets missed the playoffs, you would be telling me that the 2001 team was better. The 2001 Jets lost to the Raiders by 14. The 2002 Jets lost to that same Raider team by 20. My opinion of a team does not changed based on things that the team has nothing to do with.

It is hard to dissect other teams successful years just so we can put Rex Ryan's 3 years in the conversation. No matter how you look at it, 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl wins is not elite.

The 2002 was really beat up early in the season and got off to a very slow start b/c of it, after that slow start they played as well as any team in the league. Those last 2 reg season games they beat up NE at NE and the Pats wouldn't lose another home game until 2005 then they humiliated the 12-3 packers who were fighting for homefield before humiliating the Colts by SHUTTING OUT Peyton and that high powered O. The '02 team was MUCH better than the '01 team.

The 2001 Jets lost to a Raider team that would lose in the div rd, the '02 jets lost to a SB bound team and final scores can be deceiving. In '01 we were down 16-3 at the half, also down 24-10 and 31-17. In '02 we were tied at the half and tied until late in the 3rd. oak pulled away late but that game was more competitive throughout.

Didn't you say you that playoff wins are bigger than reg season wins? MOST playoff wins in the league since Rex took over, that's elite.

Daytona Fin
08-29-2012, 06:50 PM
The last time the jets were elite. Marvin gaye's , i heard it through the grapevine was the #1 song.

The New Guy
08-29-2012, 09:37 PM
The 2002 was really beat up early in the season and got off to a very slow start b/c of it, after that slow start they played as well as any team in the league. Those last 2 reg season games they beat up NE at NE and the Pats wouldn't lose another home game until 2005 then they humiliated the 12-3 packers who were fighting for homefield before humiliating the Colts by SHUTTING OUT Peyton and that high powered O. The '02 team was MUCH better than the '01 team.

The 2001 Jets lost to a Raider team that would lose in the div rd, the '02 jets lost to a SB bound team and final scores can be deceiving. In '01 we were down 16-3 at the half, also down 24-10 and 31-17. In '02 we were tied at the half and tied until late in the 3rd. oak pulled away late but that game was more competitive throughout.

Didn't you say you that playoff wins are bigger than reg season wins? MOST playoff wins in the league since Rex took over, that's elite.

Beating the Colts (who hadn't won a playoff game in 7 years) and GB (who lost at home a week later in the WC round 27-7 to the Falcons who were 9-6-1) doesn't prove that they were much better in 2002.

You do remember what happened to the Raiders in that divisional game they lost right? Remember the tuck rule? It was the Raiders that should have gone on to play the Steelers in the AFCC game that year, and they probably would have gone on to the Super Bowl. They were not a better team in 2002 under Callihan, even though they made the Super Bowl. How far you advance in the playoffs can change with who you have to play. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens in 2009 and 2010, but they had to play the same team the Jets lost to a week earlier. Had the Jets played Indy and Pitt in the divisional round and Bal played someone else, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further.

Playoff wins are more important, but you also have to consider the regular season games. I am not going to put a team like 7-9 Seattle ahead of the Giants or Buccaneers who both won 10 games that year just because Seattle won a playoff game and the Giants and Bucs missed the playoffs. 10 wins will usually get you in. My outlook of the Giants 2010 season would not change even if GB had lost that final game and given the Giants a spot in the playoffs. They won 10 games and lost control of their playoff destiny in week 16. It doesn't matter to me what other teams (That your team has no control over) do or do not do which is the difference in you making the playoffs or not. 10 wins is a quality regular season and usually good enough to get you in. I'm not giving more credit to a team who won less than 10 games just because they made the playoffs with a worse record because they were in a crappy division, or got help at the end of the year when they had no control over it.

Elite teams don't become non elite teams after 2 years. I just can not consider a team that struggles to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons as elite. Especially when they have not won or even been to a SB. I do not consider the 2008-2010 Cardinals elite either and they actually made the Super Bowl.

nyjunc
08-30-2012, 08:39 AM
Beating the Colts (who hadn't won a playoff game in 7 years) and GB (who lost at home a week later in the WC round 27-7 to the Falcons who were 9-6-1) doesn't prove that they were much better in 2002.

You do remember what happened to the Raiders in that divisional game they lost right? Remember the tuck rule? It was the Raiders that should have gone on to play the Steelers in the AFCC game that year, and they probably would have gone on to the Super Bowl. They were not a better team in 2002 under Callihan, even though they made the Super Bowl. How far you advance in the playoffs can change with who you have to play. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens in 2009 and 2010, but they had to play the same team the Jets lost to a week earlier. Had the Jets played Indy and Pitt in the divisional round and Bal played someone else, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further.

Playoff wins are more important, but you also have to consider the regular season games. I am not going to put a team like 7-9 Seattle ahead of the Giants or Buccaneers who both won 10 games that year just because Seattle won a playoff game and the Giants and Bucs missed the playoffs. 10 wins will usually get you in. My outlook of the Giants 2010 season would not change even if GB had lost that final game and given the Giants a spot in the playoffs. They won 10 games and lost control of their playoff destiny in week 16. It doesn't matter to me what other teams (That your team has no control over) do or do not do which is the difference in you making the playoffs or not. 10 wins is a quality regular season and usually good enough to get you in. I'm not giving more credit to a team who won less than 10 games just because they made the playoffs with a worse record because they were in a crappy division, or got help at the end of the year when they had no control over it.

Elite teams don't become non elite teams after 2 years. I just can not consider a team that struggles to win 9 games 2 out of 3 seasons as elite. Especially when they have not won or even been to a SB. I do not consider the 2008-2010 Cardinals elite either and they actually made the Super Bowl.

They didn't just beat the Colts, they destroyed them. Shutting out Peyton Manning I believe for the only time in his career and winning 41-0.

GB lost the next week to Atlanta, we took the heart out of them w/ that demolition. They were 12-3 and needing that game to get homefield, they were crushed and wound up playing in the WC round which was demoralizing but that team was very good that year.

Did they win that div rd game or lose it? If they make the right call on the Sanchez fumble 2 years ago we likely go to ASrlington for the SB instead of Pitt. bad calls happen, oak lost.

The Jets played Indy and Pitt tougher than Bal did in each of those years. Oak played a team just as hot as NE '01 when they faced us in the div rd of '02. They didn't get to host NE(thanks to us beatingthem in week 17) but they still faced a very good team.

The Giants had control of their destiny in week 16, they went to lambeau where the elite one threw 4 INTs and the team lost 45-17. What they did the next week against an awful washington team in a meaningless game meant nothing.

The Giants struggled to win 9 games 2 of 3 seasons, the Giants missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons, the Giants went 3 season w/o a playoff win.

13ktownguy
08-30-2012, 09:19 AM
at least the jets will have a really good defense. besides the dolphins trying to figure out how to score...how on earth are they gonna stop anyone from scoring either? i thought vontae was gonna surpass revis :/
Dont recall anyone saying that!:ponder:

SpurzN703
08-30-2012, 10:46 AM
You want to say currently they aren't one of the best? ok, we'll see what happens this season but from 2009-2011 they were one of the best and the #s back that up.

Not elite in their entire history

The New Guy
08-30-2012, 05:40 PM
They didn't just beat the Colts, they destroyed them. Shutting out Peyton Manning I believe for the only time in his career and winning 41-0.

GB lost the next week to Atlanta, we took the heart out of them w/ that demolition. They were 12-3 and needing that game to get homefield, they were crushed and wound up playing in the WC round which was demoralizing but that team was very good that year.

Did they win that div rd game or lose it? If they make the right call on the Sanchez fumble 2 years ago we likely go to ASrlington for the SB instead of Pitt. bad calls happen, oak lost.

The Jets played Indy and Pitt tougher than Bal did in each of those years. Oak played a team just as hot as NE '01 when they faced us in the div rd of '02. They didn't get to host NE(thanks to us beatingthem in week 17) but they still faced a very good team.

The Giants had control of their destiny in week 16, they went to lambeau where the elite one threw 4 INTs and the team lost 45-17. What they did the next week against an awful washington team in a meaningless game meant nothing.

The Giants struggled to win 9 games 2 of 3 seasons, the Giants missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons, the Giants went 3 season w/o a playoff win.

So, the Jets were the reason why the Packers lost a home playoff game for the first time since the NFL instituted a postseason in 1933? You sure give the Jets a lot of credit for things that they likely had nothing to do with. Were they also the reason the Packers had trouble with that same 9-6-1 Falcon team in OT in week 1, or the reason the Packers lost by 15 to a Saints team that failed to make the playoffs, or the reason they lost by 10 to the 6-10 Vikings team? I'm sure the loss stung, but the Packers had already shown that they were capable of losing games to bad teams. I'm not saying the Jets were bad that year, just saying that the Packers were not as good as you claim.


They did make the right call on the Sanchez fumble. Regardless, the Jets still would have lost even if they had made the wrong call and called it a pass. Pitt had already scored 17 at that point and the Jets only scored 19 the entire game. Pitt was in FG range at the end of the game when they kneeled the ball. If they were down 19-17, they would kicked the game winning FG instead of kneeling. Oak on the other hand would have won the game if not for the horrible call. All Oak would have had to do is kneel.

Now you are comparing the 2002 Jets who were 3-2 in their last 5 games of the season (9-7 and lost in the divisional round 30-10) to the 2001 Patriots who were 5-0 in their last 5 games (11-5 and Super Bowl Champs) ? :lol:

Did the Jets lose to the same team Bal did a week earlier? A loss is a loss.

The Giants lost control of their playoff destiny with that loss to the Packers, but the final game was not meaningless becasue they still had a shot at the playoffs. I just don't understand how you can consider the Jets 04 season as "Taking care of business" when they lost 3 out of the final 4 games and needed another team to lose in order to make the playoffs, and then harp on the Giants 2010 season becasue they didn't make the playoffs. The only difference is that the Giants didn't get the help they needed. They both won 10 games and both needed another team to lose in order to get a spot. Your outlook of the Giants season would change if the Packers had lost and the Giants clinched a spot. That is stupid to me since the Giants had nothing to do with the Packers winning or losing. They put themselves in a bad spot the week before with the loss, and I judge them on that the same whether they made the playoffs or not.


The Giants also won 2 Super Bowls in between those seasons. The Jets have not.

nyjunc
08-31-2012, 08:33 AM
So, the Jets were the reason why the Packers lost a home playoff game for the first time since the NFL instituted a postseason in 1933? You sure give the Jets a lot of credit for things that they likely had nothing to do with. Were they also the reason the Packers had trouble with that same 9-6-1 Falcon team in OT in week 1, or the reason the Packers lost by 15 to a Saints team that failed to make the playoffs, or the reason they lost by 10 to the 6-10 Vikings team? I'm sure the loss stung, but the Packers had already shown that they were capable of losing games to bad teams. I'm not saying the Jets were bad that year, just saying that the Packers were not as good as you claim.


They did make the right call on the Sanchez fumble. Regardless, the Jets still would have lost even if they had made the wrong call and called it a pass. Pitt had already scored 17 at that point and the Jets only scored 19 the entire game. Pitt was in FG range at the end of the game when they kneeled the ball. If they were down 19-17, they would kicked the game winning FG instead of kneeling. Oak on the other hand would have won the game if not for the horrible call. All Oak would have had to do is kneel.

Now you are comparing the 2002 Jets who were 3-2 in their last 5 games of the season (9-7 and lost in the divisional round 30-10) to the 2001 Patriots who were 5-0 in their last 5 games (11-5 and Super Bowl Champs) ? :lol:

Did the Jets lose to the same team Bal did a week earlier? A loss is a loss.

The Giants lost control of their playoff destiny with that loss to the Packers, but the final game was not meaningless becasue they still had a shot at the playoffs. I just don't understand how you can consider the Jets 04 season as "Taking care of business" when they lost 3 out of the final 4 games and needed another team to lose in order to make the playoffs, and then harp on the Giants 2010 season becasue they didn't make the playoffs. The only difference is that the Giants didn't get the help they needed. They both won 10 games and both needed another team to lose in order to get a spot. Your outlook of the Giants season would change if the Packers had lost and the Giants clinched a spot. That is stupid to me since the Giants had nothing to do with the Packers winning or losing. They put themselves in a bad spot the week before with the loss, and I judge them on that the same whether they made the playoffs or not.


The Giants also won 2 Super Bowls in between those seasons. The Jets have not.

The Jets thrashing of GB was part of the reason, GB came in expecting to iwn and get homefield. They were demoralized after that game.

You think week 1 and playoffs are similar? you don't think teams change? get better? get worse? GB won 11 of 13 coming into the Jet game and in week 1 their O scored 37 pts, in the playoffs they scored 7 but they were the exact same team.

Sanchez was throwing the ball, it was really close. if they called it incomplete on the field there was no way they would have overturned it but seeing it again in slo mo on NFL films the other day proved to me it was incomplete.

The entire game changes if that call isn't made. We likely go into the half down 17 instead of down 21, if we scroe ont he first possession like we did then it's a 10 pt game early in the 3rd. We were on stop away from having the ball w/ a chance to win late in that gamem shaving 4 pts off would have been huge.


The 2002 Jets beat the Pats on the road, the 12-3 Packers and the Colts in the playoffs by a combined score of 113-34. NE beat 1 winning team(us by only a point) in the last 5 weeks.

The Jets played a better game, how do we know the Jets don't fare better if they play a week earlier? Both teams had an extra day to prepare and we were playing our 3rd straight road game- big difference from playing the 2nd straight. We beat up a better NE team in the div rd of 2010, bal lost to a weaker NE team in the title game of 2011.

The Giants are elite, the point is you keep changing in order to keep the Jets out. if you stick to your criteria the Giants aren't elite either.

Vaark
08-31-2012, 09:58 AM
The last time the jets were elite. Marvin gaye's , i heard it through the grapevine was the #1 song.

Heh, probably more like the Four Seasons' aptly named "Walk Like A Man" as it was probably during the NY Titans reign.

The New Guy
08-31-2012, 11:02 AM
The Jets thrashing of GB was part of the reason, GB came in expecting to iwn and get homefield. They were demoralized after that game.

You think week 1 and playoffs are similar? you don't think teams change? get better? get worse? GB won 11 of 13 coming into the Jet game and in week 1 their O scored 37 pts, in the playoffs they scored 7 but they were the exact same team.

Sanchez was throwing the ball, it was really close. if they called it incomplete on the field there was no way they would have overturned it but seeing it again in slo mo on NFL films the other day proved to me it was incomplete.

The entire game changes if that call isn't made. We likely go into the half down 17 instead of down 21, if we scroe ont he first possession like we did then it's a 10 pt game early in the 3rd. We were on stop away from having the ball w/ a chance to win late in that gamem shaving 4 pts off would have been huge.


The 2002 Jets beat the Pats on the road, the 12-3 Packers and the Colts in the playoffs by a combined score of 113-34. NE beat 1 winning team(us by only a point) in the last 5 weeks.

The Jets played a better game, how do we know the Jets don't fare better if they play a week earlier? Both teams had an extra day to prepare and we were playing our 3rd straight road game- big difference from playing the 2nd straight. We beat up a better NE team in the div rd of 2010, bal lost to a weaker NE team in the title game of 2011.

The Giants are elite, the point is you keep changing in order to keep the Jets out. if you stick to your criteria the Giants aren't elite either.

Things do change, but the Packers showed throughout the season that they were capable of losing big to average teams. They lost another home playoffs game against the 8-8 Vikings in 2004. Were they still hurting from the Jets beating them so bad? :chuckle:

I agree that it was close, but he clearly has an empty hand when his arm starts going forward. When he was going to attempt to throw, the ball was right behind the 20. When he got hit, the ball landed right behind the 20. If the ball was in his hand when his arm was moving forward, it would have landed in front of the 20. It was the right call and very different from the Raiders blown call which would have ended the game. I think it is ridiculous to say that the Raiders were better under Callihan the next year, and base that on them advancing further in the playoffs when a blown got knocked them out the year before. I think you do as well.

The 2002 Jets won 9 games and lost in the divisional round by 20. NE also beat Miami (11-5), so they beat 2 winning teams (not 1) in the last 5 weeks, but more importantly, they beat 13-3 Pitt and the 14-2 Rams to win the Super Bowl. There is no comparison at all.

I've never changed. You want to take away the Giants 1st SB win and the following 12-4 season, to line them up with the Jets 2 AFCCG losses. Even in doing so, the Giants still won another Super Bowl which the Jets have not done. If I had the ability to erase the Giants 1st SB and the following 12-4 season, I would probably not consider the 2009-2011 Giants as an elite team since they would only have 1 quality regular season out of 3. The Jets have 1 quality season out of 3 and have not won anything. Even if you erase the Giants 2007 / 2008 seasons, they are still way ahead of the Jets since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. Some might say that any team that wins a Super Bowl is elite, but to me elite teams are consistently elite. I would have to wait and see what the Giants did to determine that. But the facts are, they did win Super Bowls in 2007 / 2011 and they did have quality seasons 3 our of 5 times. That is elite. 1 out of 3 with no division titles and no Super Bowl wins, is not.

NY8123
08-31-2012, 11:18 AM
I got 23 pages of problems but a bitch ain't one!

nyjunc
08-31-2012, 11:55 AM
Things do change, but the Packers showed throughout the season that they were capable of losing big to average teams. They lost another home playoffs game against the 8-8 Vikings in 2004. Were they still hurting from the Jets beating them so bad? :chuckle:

I agree that it was close, but he clearly has an empty hand when his arm starts going forward. When he was going to attempt to throw, the ball was right behind the 20. When he got hit, the ball landed right behind the 20. If the ball was in his hand when his arm was moving forward, it would have landed in front of the 20. It was the right call and very different from the Raiders blown call which would have ended the game. I think it is ridiculous to say that the Raiders were better under Callihan the next year, and base that on them advancing further in the playoffs when a blown got knocked them out the year before. I think you do as well.

The 2002 Jets won 9 games and lost in the divisional round by 20. NE also beat Miami (11-5), so they beat 2 winning teams (not 1) in the last 5 weeks, but more importantly, they beat 13-3 Pitt and the 14-2 Rams to win the Super Bowl. There is no comparison at all.

I've never changed. You want to take away the Giants 1st SB win and the following 12-4 season, to line them up with the Jets 2 AFCCG losses. Even in doing so, the Giants still won another Super Bowl which the Jets have not done. If I had the ability to erase the Giants 1st SB and the following 12-4 season, I would probably not consider the 2009-2011 Giants as an elite team since they would only have 1 quality regular season out of 3. The Jets have 1 quality season out of 3 and have not won anything. Even if you erase the Giants 2007 / 2008 seasons, they are still way ahead of the Jets since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. Some might say that any team that wins a Super Bowl is elite, but to me elite teams are consistently elite. I would have to wait and see what the Giants did to determine that. But the facts are, they did win Super Bowls in 2007 / 2011 and they did have quality seasons 3 our of 5 times. That is elite. 1 out of 3 with no division titles and no Super Bowl wins, is not.

Every team loses some games they shouldn't. last year the Giants were swept by Washington, NE got beat by Buffalo. Gb lost a game in week 2 at NO who was a 9-7 team that started out the season 6-1. they also lost to the eventual champs and the Jets. The only bad loss was to a bad Minny team but that is a big division rivalry.

His hand was not empty when he started throwing the ball, he lost it as his arm was moving forward.

I said hottest, I didn't say all season long. Remember, we started 2-5 that year so we finished 7-2 including those whippings we gave NE(who wouldn't lose another home game until 3 seasons later), GB & Indy. NE ended 2001 7-2 so again just as hot except they were beating up mostly weaker teams.

You have changed, the proof is in the posts. You are just trying to diminish what the Jets have done under Rex.

How is making 2 title games 1 quality season out of 3? you give the giants more credit for winning a meaningless 10th game after being blown out at Gb the week before than you do the Jets making the title game in '09.

The New Guy
08-31-2012, 01:27 PM
Every team loses some games they shouldn't. last year the Giants were swept by Washington, NE got beat by Buffalo. Gb lost a game in week 2 at NO who was a 9-7 team that started out the season 6-1. they also lost to the eventual champs and the Jets. The only bad loss was to a bad Minny team but that is a big division rivalry.

His hand was not empty when he started throwing the ball, he lost it as his arm was moving forward.

I said hottest, I didn't say all season long. Remember, we started 2-5 that year so we finished 7-2 including those whippings we gave NE(who wouldn't lose another home game until 3 seasons later), GB & Indy. NE ended 2001 7-2 so again just as hot except they were beating up mostly weaker teams.

You have changed, the proof is in the posts. You are just trying to diminish what the Jets have done under Rex.

How is making 2 title games 1 quality season out of 3? you give the giants more credit for winning a meaningless 10th game after being blown out at Gb the week before than you do the Jets making the title game in '09.

They struggled with the Falcons week 1, they lost by 15 to a non playoff team in NO in week 2. They struggled with the 7-9 Panthers in week 4. They lost to a 6-10 Vikings team in week 14 and got blown out by a 9-7 Jets team in week 17. If you want me to beleive that the Packers were as great as you claim, then you need to include the Jets game as "Every team loses some games they shouldn't".

I've seen the play a hundred times and his hand was empty. If his arm was moving forward with the ball in his hand, why didn't the ball travel forward with his arm? There is a point when you have to realize that you are a biased Jets fan and when everyone else (including non bias commentators) are saying it was the right call, then is was more than likely the right call.

If the proof is in the post, then quote the post. The only thing I have ever said was to me to consider a team elite, they need to have quality regulars seasons and not just playoff success. You try and claim that the Giants didn't have quality regular seasons. I pointed out that the Giants won 10 or more games 3 out of 5 seasons, and then you want to take away the Giants 2007 and 2008 seasons becasue the Jets were busy going 4-12 and 9-7 missing the playoffs both years. I just got through telling you that if you could erase the Giants 2007 and 2008 seasons, I would probably not consider the Giants elite because they had poor regular seasons in 09 and 11. It seems that you just can't get that the Giants still won a Super Bowl and the Jets have not. So, please tell me how exactly I am changing my criteria of what I consider elite just to keep the Jets out when:

A. The Jets have not won a SB or had quality regualr seasons 2 out of 3 years?
B. The Giants did have quality regular seasons 3 out of 5 seasons with 2 Super Bowl wins
C. I told you if you could erase the Giants 2007 and 2008 seasons, I probably would not consider the Giants elite.

I could understand you having a problem if I considered a team that had a similar run like the 2007-2010 Cardinals as elite, but I do not. The Giants won 2 Super Bowls and 2 division titles. The Jet haven't won anything.

I give the Giants 2010 regular season about the same amount of credit as the Jets 09 regular season because both teams needed help in order to make the playoffs. The Jets got help by Miami losing their last 2 games and caught a huge break by playing teams that had things wrapped up with no desire to win the game. The Giants had to face the eventual Super Bowl Champs (who were trying to earn a spot in the playoffs) and the Redskins the last 2 games. They lost 2 games to bad teams all year. The 09 Jets lost 6 out of 7 and lost 5 games to bad teams. The Giants won 10 games and the difference between them making the playoffs and missing the playoffs came down to another team losing. The Jets get the advantage in the post season, but I can't judge the post seasons becasue I don't know what the Giants would have done in the playoffs had GB lost. I do know they won the Super Bowl the very next year.

SpurzN703
08-31-2012, 01:40 PM
Everyone changes their criteria just to keep the Jets out. It's a conspiracy I tell you, a conspiracy!

truthbtold
09-09-2012, 08:08 PM
I watch a lot of the NY sports networks,(SNY, YES) and when doing so I see a ton of commercials for the Jets trying real hard to sell tickets. They are trying to get rid of season tickets for dirt cheap. No one is buying them. They cant even sell out in the biggest metropolitan area in the world:lol:. They even have the draw of Tim Tebow who brings in rich Christians who arent even football fans.

The Jets are going to be terrible this year and everyone knows it. If you guys get a chance you should watch/listen to Francesa's show in the afternoons. You can find it streaming online at wfan or itunes and on tv on the Yes network. Listening to him hammer on the Jets and have their fans call in trying to defend them is solid gold. Half of their own fans will call and bash them too. Its great.

The Jets offense is attrotious. I thought we had a lack of talent at skill positions. Look at the Jets roster. Outsides of Holmes, who is a punk, and Dustin Keller, they have nobody who can make a play or threaten a defense. They are counting on a rookie at WR to give them a boost. Its hillarious they want to ground and pound and yet the only RB they have is Greene who has proven he cant carry the load. Their OL is total garbage. How in the hell are they going to run the ball. The capper is they have TONY SPARANO running the offense. :crazy::lol: They are not going to be able to score at all. Their OL will be a revolving door of total sieves.(sp?) With no running backs worth anything, bad QB play, a terrible OL, and nobody who can get open that has a good attitude, this could be one of the worst offenses in history.

The Jets are in for a terrible season. Its going to be great. Their defense is highly overrated as well. And once you put all the pressure on those guys, they are going to fold. Even Revis is complaining going into the season about his contract again. This is a total recipe for disaster. Tebowmania, Sanchez, Holmes' attitude, chaotic fights in camp, Rex losing control and running his mouth, Revis disgruntled, Tony Sparano, and a roster completely void of offensive talent = epic implosion. :tubes:
Solid Gold folks.

See Rex wanted to bring in Tebow and pretend he could run it. I will tell you now Rex likes the idea of his offense being totally challenged and not capable of scoring. You see Rex wants it to be all about him. He dosent just want to win, he wants to win the way the Ravens did back in the day. He wants the Jets to win the whole thing without being able to score and his defense dominating its way to a title. That way he can talk about what a defensive genius he is. Too bad for him his defense blows. He dosent have the talent that Baltimore had. No way this team can pull that off. Revis is not going to make a whole defense. They dont have a consistant enough pass rush. They cant get consistant pressure without blitzing and even then they dont always get to the QB. Its going to be a long season for the Jets.

And to cap it off, the phins are a way better team. Much tougher at the LOS. Both teams lack skills position talent, but the phins have the better defense and a way better OL. We are going to smash the **** out of the Jets TWICE. Book it.

Where do you want your bananas delivered? :lol2:
The Jets made a Monkey out of you today!

Great insight :rotfl1: ... you really know your football.

J. David Wannyheimer
09-09-2012, 08:12 PM
It's good to know that we'll beat the Bills twice again this season.

JETSJETSJETS
09-10-2012, 03:03 AM
The Jets offense is attrotious. I thought we had a lack of talent at skill positions. Look at the Jets roster. Outsides of Holmes, who is a punk, and Dustin Keller, they have nobody who can make a play or threaten a defense. They are counting on a rookie at WR to give them a boost. Its hillarious they want to ground and pound and yet the only RB they have is Greene who has proven he cant carry the load. Their OL is total garbage. How in the hell are they going to run the ball.

Oh you poor thing.


The capper is they have TONY SPARANO running the offense. :crazy::lol: They are not going to be able to score at all. Their OL will be a revolving door of total sieves.(sp?) With no running backs worth anything, bad QB play, a terrible OL, and nobody who can get open that has a good attitude, this could be one of the worst offenses in history.

Oh you poor thing again...Eat some crow sir.




The Jets are in for a terrible season. Its going to be great. Their defense is highly overrated as well. And once you put all the pressure on those guys, they are going to fold. Even Revis is complaining going into the season about his contract again. This is a total recipe for disaster. Tebowmania, Sanchez, Holmes' attitude, chaotic fights in camp, Rex losing control and running his mouth, Revis disgruntled, Tony Sparano, and a roster completely void of offensive talent = epic implosion. :tubes:
Solid Gold folks.

Maybe in your world Revis complained. And aren't you glad this offense has no talent? Cuz if it did, God knows what would have happened to those lil Bills.



See Rex wanted to bring in Tebow and pretend he could run it. I will tell you now Rex likes the idea of his offense being totally challenged and not capable of scoring. You see Rex wants it to be all about him. He dosent just want to win, he wants to win the way the Ravens did back in the day. He wants the Jets to win the whole thing without being able to score and his defense dominating its way to a title. That way he can talk about what a defensive genius he is. Too bad for him his defense blows. He dosent have the talent that Baltimore had. No way this team can pull that off. Revis is not going to make a whole defense. They dont have a consistant enough pass rush. They cant get consistant pressure without blitzing and even then they dont always get to the QB. Its going to be a long season for the Jets.

ZOMG, its all coming together for the phins....The Jets only put up the most points in the week....48.


And to cap it off, the phins are a way better team. Much tougher at the LOS. Both teams lack skills position talent, but the phins have the better defense and a way better OL. We are going to smash the **** out of the Jets TWICE. Book it.

This one was the best...Phins have possibly the worst team in the NFL right now. Houston blew them out and even the Texans are highly overrated. They lost their best and second best defender, yet Dolphins managed to put nothing significant against them. Whats that, the tipped passes going for ints hurt you? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You get the point....hopefully.

Jets will smash the **** out of the *** sharks...book it.

JETSJETSJETS
09-10-2012, 03:06 AM
It's good to know that we'll beat the Bills twice again this season.

Oh yeah, thats right...all of a sudden the Bills are now the worst team in the NFL...cuz the Jets kicked their *****. You sir will be a no match for the Bills. Your D sucks, and your offense is worse.

Thank you for the fist pumping meat ball. 6 TDs today. I think that about ties what the Dolphins had the entire 2011. Close enough at least.

WVDolphan
09-10-2012, 09:45 PM
The Jets ****ing blow.

So they got one of their 4 wins on the season out of the way week 1. Good thing for them they play Buffalo twice.

Ilovemyfins4eva
09-10-2012, 10:22 PM
The Jets ****ing blow.

So they got one of their 4 wins on the season out of the way week 1. Good thing for them they play Buffalo twice.
dont worry wv, when the steelers **** on them next week, it will be back to normal for jet fans. this week in ny everyone is praising sanchez, the offense, etc.

next week, the steelers defense will destroy the jets offense, and jets defense will not be able to stop pitts offense. back to reality jet fans. the dolphins may not be great this year, but neither r u guys.

Jetsfan89
09-10-2012, 11:52 PM
dont worry wv, when the steelers **** on them next week, it will be back to normal for jet fans. this week in ny everyone is praising sanchez, the offense, etc.

next week, the steelers defense will destroy the jets offense, and jets defense will not be able to stop pitts offense. back to reality jet fans. the dolphins may not be great this year, but neither r u guys.


Our defense is a legit top defense in the NFL. Not saying we are going to win but with our defense I dont see us getting blown out in many games. If our offense can be middle of the pack there is no reason we cant be a successful team this year. We are clearly the second best team in the division which proves OP's original post wrong.

JETSJETSJETS
09-11-2012, 01:53 AM
The Jets ****ing blow.

So they got one of their 4 wins on the season out of the way week 1. Good thing for them they play Buffalo twice.

So two wins against Bills and two wins against Dolphins. Would that give us bragging rights for a year?

JETSJETSJETS
09-11-2012, 02:18 AM
dont worry wv, when the steelers **** on them next week, it will be back to normal for jet fans. this week in ny everyone is praising sanchez, the offense, etc.

next week, the steelers defense will destroy the jets offense, and jets defense will not be able to stop pitts offense. back to reality jet fans. the dolphins may not be great this year, but neither r u guys.

lol, you're funny. I predicted a Jets loss against the Steelers, but seeing how they sucked and how Jets dominated the Bills, I might rethink that.

Typical rival rant. Your offense sucks. Defense sucks. You can't stop them. They'll destroy you, bla bla bla. Are you going to provide some rational or just a rant? I'll provide some rational.

Dolphins do not have an offense. They don't have a defense. Their rookie QB struggled as expected. With 3 offensive points, good luck winning a game this year.

CChambers84
09-11-2012, 05:08 AM
Jets ****ted on an overhyped Bills team, i'll give them credit if they score 30+ pts on the Steelers.

BleedinGreenNC
09-11-2012, 07:51 AM
dont worry wv, when the steelers **** on them next week, it will be back to normal for jet fans. this week in ny everyone is praising sanchez, the offense, etc.

next week, the steelers defense will destroy the jets offense, and jets defense will not be able to stop pitts offense. back to reality jet fans. the dolphins may not be great this year, but neither r u guys.

Funny as hell that you cant say wait till the Dolphins play the Jets, they will get their asses handed to them. But no, you have to rely on another team to beat your hated rival.

Ilovemyfins4eva
09-11-2012, 09:22 AM
lol, you're funny. I predicted a Jets loss against the Steelers, but seeing how they sucked and how Jets dominated the Bills, I might rethink that.

Typical rival rant. Your offense sucks. Defense sucks. You can't stop them. They'll destroy you, bla bla bla. Are you going to provide some rational or just a rant? I'll provide some rational.

Dolphins do not have an offense. They don't have a defense. Their rookie QB struggled as expected. With 3 offensive points, good luck winning a game this year.im just curious, how did pittsburgh suck sunday night vs the broncos?

obviously they lost, but they went into denver in prob their most hyped game in years with peyton manning starting and hung in there until the very end without 2 of their better defensive players in harrison and clark.

they have 3 wr in wallace, brown, and sanders who have great speed and who will be trouble for any defense, coupled with the hardest qb in the nfl to take down.

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Funny as hell that you cant say wait till the Dolphins play the Jets, they will get their asses handed to them. But no, you have to rely on another team to beat your hated rival.
well the jets next game is vs pittsburgh so year im expecting pittsburgh to beat u guys first before we hand it to you.

WVDolphan
09-11-2012, 12:55 PM
Enjoy your win this week Jests fans. Reality will hit you like a ton of bricks soon enough. Not even Luigi fist pumping will break all the bricks about to fall on you, much less Tony Sparano.

Jests will be 1-3 soon enough. Laughter will resume.

And oh yea, the phins are going to bust the Jests ass.

truthbtold
09-11-2012, 01:55 PM
The Jets ****ing blow.

So they got one of their 4 wins on the season out of the way week 1. Good thing for them they play Buffalo twice.

:lol2: Yeah, that's right ... the Jets are a 4 win team (half as many as last season) but the Dolphins have 9 potential wins on their schedule (3 more than last season) and can contend for the 6th seed in the AFC. And they're going to do this by starting a rookie QB, surrounding him with no talent, and trading away his best WR. You don't exactly have a stranglehold on reality, do you? :lol:

I don't think the Jet offense will be as good as it looked on Sunday ... but compared to the Dolphins, we'll look like 2001 Rams this year.
You should plan on watching Miami battle Cleveland for the lowest point total in the league.

Oh wait ... you have Charles Clay.
Nevermind.

bicketybam
09-11-2012, 02:44 PM
dont worry wv, when the steelers **** on them next week, it will be back to normal for jet fans. this week in ny everyone is praising sanchez, the offense, etc.

next week, the steelers defense will destroy the jets offense, and jets defense will not be able to stop pitts offense. back to reality jet fans. the dolphins may not be great this year, but neither r u guys.

May not be great?! Thank you Captain Obvious. How about Miami is one of the least talented teams in the NFL. That would be a far better description than "they may not be great".

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JETSJETSJETS
09-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Jets ****ted on an overhyped Bills team, i'll give them credit if they score 30+ pts on the Steelers.

Oh yeah, 30+ sounds like a good bet...especially since only one team put up 30+ pts against them last year. We'll see I guess, but you certainly hold the Jets to a far higher standard than most other teams.