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SnakeoilSeller
08-11-2012, 07:09 PM
Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/11/michael-tomasky-on-romney-s-stunning-terrible-choice-of-ryan-for-vp.html) that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund

Spesh
08-11-2012, 08:22 PM
"Democrats will no doubt try and make Paul Ryan into a younger version of the devil they've tried to paint Mitt Romney as".

Tried? Succeeded. With the economy as it is there is no reason why Obama should have a lead in swing states. The Obama campaign has been unrelenting in there attacks against Romney and its working. Romney, of course, has helped out the cause by apparently having a drunk campaign manager. Whether its making a buffoon of himself out of the country, asking for apologizes, or having a campaign official point out that the steel mill workers wife would have had health insurance had they lived in Massachusetts, Romney has been making it easy for Obama. But i digress.


Ryan is an exciting pick, but there's no such thing as a perfect candidate, and Ryan brings his own set of political risks to the table. Here's a list of five things that Mitt Romney might not want highlighted about his VP candidate (hint: most of them have to do with his budget proposals).

1. His budget plans include big cuts, and there's ample room for Democrats to continue with their "Romneyhood narrative." The nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3723) estimates 62 percent of Ryan's cuts are to programs for the poor.

2. Ryan's budget proposals have included big changes to Medicare - including gradually replacing the program with a voucher program for private health care, and gradually raising the retirement age. That could scare older Americans, a crucial voting bloc.

3. He voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. While a lot of other Republicans did too, and it was proposed by the Bush administration, some have viewed it as a rejection of the conservative economic values Ryan and hard-line fiscal conservatives espouse.

4. He's easily pegged as Washington insider. He's been in Congress since 1999, and before that he worked as a congressional staffer. Congressional approval ratings are abysmally low- a recent CBS News/NY Times (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57475191/cbs-news-new-york-times-poll-7-18-12/) poll showed that only 12 percent of voters approve of the way Congress is doing its job.

5. This is both a pro and a con to Ryan, depending on who you ask, but he's notably further to the left on the issue of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender rights than the base of the party. He broke with a lot of his party to support the Employee Non-Discrimination Act in 2007. He explained his reasoning for the vote in this way: (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2010/03/01/GOP-Congressman-Paul-Ryan.aspx#page2) "They [his gay friends] didn't roll out of bed one morning and choose to be gay. That's who they are."


http://news.yahoo.com/5-things-mitt-doesnt-want-know-paul-ryan-162758609.html

Ryan will energize the base, but at what cost? Democrats are going to attack his budget proposal unrelentingly. At best, is going to come off as a partisan fluff piece(which it is) and at worse its going to alienate independent voters and the elderly(who have been known to be protective of their health care).

Romney already had the shoe in on issues like the economy. Voters acknowledge he has a better chance of turning it around. The reason why he hasnt done better in this election is because they are worried about other things. Social issues, health care, foreign policy, education(although to my disappointment that one hasnt been a issue at all), etc. So, Romney has these issues in front of him, what does he do? Take someone who is nationally known for his budgetary plan. A rich white guy who has come across as out of touch takes as his running mate a white guy known for his money policy. If you dont think democrats are foaming at the mouth about that, just wait and see.

Ryan will probably take the Biden debates, but Obama is going to eviscerate Romney. Romney currently cant out debate his own campaign team. Social issues that Ryan is lukewarm on are embraced by the Obama campaign. Romney shot himself in the foot over health care when, immediately after the Supreme Court ruling, he came out and supported virtually everything in Obamacare save for the thing that pays for it. Not to mention Romney was already fighting an uphill fight on that already due to Romneycare. Ryan isnt going to, all of a sudden, become an expert on foreign policy, a subject in which the Obama campaign will loudly tout their dismemberment of terrorist groups and ending unpopular wars.
All of that leads to my point: anyone who is excited about the Ryan selection was already going to vote for Romney. The only thing the article is dead on about is this will get the money flowing.

nick1
08-11-2012, 09:00 PM
worried bout what? Romney is still the Presidental candidate isnt he? ok then I'm not worried, no damage control can make Romney look good at this point

Tetragrammaton
08-11-2012, 09:59 PM
This is the same group of people who said Democrats were secretly afraid of Sarah Palin. Medicare cuts are not going to go over well with seniors.

SnakeoilSeller
08-12-2012, 08:46 AM
This is the same group of people who said Democrats were secretly afraid of Sarah Palin. Medicare cuts are not going to go over well with seniors.

But the polling finds your belief totally incorrect. It was seniors that liked the Ryan plan the most. Probably because they didn't buy into the bull**** being spun by the Obama campaign and the media. And that was over a year ago, do you think that Obama has become more or less credible over the last year?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147287/Americans-Divided-Ryan-Obama-Deficit-Plans.aspx?version=print

Tetragrammaton
08-12-2012, 09:29 AM
That poll doesn't gauge the popularity of the Ryan plan.

SnakeoilSeller
08-12-2012, 10:39 AM
That poll doesn't gauge the popularity of the Ryan plan.

Your right it compares it to Obama's plan. Which it beat it in every age group, except kool aid, I mean young people. So even though the media wants to tell you it is wildly unpopular, it did not poll that way.

CashInFist
08-12-2012, 03:40 PM
This is the same group of people who said Democrats were secretly afraid of Sarah Palin. Medicare cuts are not going to go over well with seniors.

They were scared. And it was hardly a secret.

Tetragrammaton
08-12-2012, 04:00 PM
They were scared. And it was hardly a secret.

No. They laughed at her. Are you still holding out?

CashInFist
08-12-2012, 04:13 PM
No. They laughed at her. Are you still holding out?

Hmmmmm...

Tetragrammaton
08-12-2012, 04:18 PM
Hmmmmm...

Republicans even make fun of her.