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iceblizzard69
02-13-2004, 03:43 PM
The game will be played Wednesday February 18th in Amsterdam. It will be on live on ESPN2 at 2:30 PM EST.


Here is the USA's roster:
Goalkeepers: Tim Howard (Manchester United), Kasey Keller (Tottenham Hotspur), Jonny Walker (New York/New Jersey MetroStars);

Defenders: Gregg Berhalter (Energie Cottbus), Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Cory Gibbs (Dallas Burn), Frankie Hejduk (Columbus Crew), Eddie Pope (NY/NJ MetroStars);

Midfielders: Chris Armas (Chicago Fire), DaMarcus Beasley (Chicago Fire), Bobby Convey (D.C. United), Chris Klein (Kansas City Wizards), Eddie Lewis (Preston North End), John O'Brien (Ajax), Claudio Reyna (Manchester City), Kerry Zavagnin (Kansas City Wizards);

Forwards: Conor Casey (Karlsruher), Landon Donovan (San Jose Earthquakes), Clint Mathis (Hannover 96), Brian McBride (Fulham), Josh Wolff (Kansas City Wizards).

I think this is probably the strongest US roster we have used since the 2002 World Cup. I think the biggest abscence is Brad Friedel, and no one really knows why he isn't there, but I guess Arena wanted to bring a MLS keeper.

Dolfan02
02-13-2004, 03:52 PM
Awesome! Can't wait for that one! The only player I find to be way over-rated is Beasely. I don't see anything in him. He's too flabby, not strong enough. I wonder what the new USA NT jerseys will look like? I heard they're going to be a "cookie cutter" copy of some other national teams, but of course with our colors. I think with Brazil, Belgium, and Holland. I hate it when Nike does that c®ap. We should be wearing jerseys that incorporates our flag identity along with the colors. Some small stars and stripes on the sleeves or shoulders would look dope on a white-based shirt, white shorts, blue socks. Ew, thats too fresh!

iceblizzard69
02-13-2004, 04:29 PM
Can't put stars on the jersey because we haven't won any World Cups. I actually really liked the blue jerseys that we have worn the last two years. I don't think having stars and stripes would be a good idea, it just wouldn't look good. Our white jerseys were good except for the blue and red crap on the sides. The USA will be wearing their new jerseys on Wednesday, I just really hope that Nike doesn't give every national team the same jerseys like they have recently (the last set of Nike national team jerseys were all the same, the only difference from nation to nation were the colors and the logo on the right side), because if they do, our new jerseys will suck. Just look at the horrible new Brazil jerseys:

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This one shows the front and back :( :
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Here is Holland's squad by the way:
Keepers: Edwin van der Sar (Fulham FC), Ronald Waterreus (PSV);

Defenders: Frank de Boer (Glasgow rangers), Wilfred Bouma (PSV), John Heitinga (Ajax), Michael Reiziger (FC Barcelona), Jaap Stam (Lazio Roma), Boudewijn Zenden (Middlesbrough);

Midfielders: Mark van Bommel (PSV), Phillip Cocu (FC Barcelona), Edgar Davids (FC Barcelona), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax), Rafael van der Vaart (Ajax);

Forwards: Pierre van Hooijdonk (Fenerbahce), Roy Makaay (Bayern München), Andy van der Meyde (Internazionale), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Marc Overmars (FC Barcelona), Arjen Robben (PSV).

Holland is bringing a very good squad and I doubt the USA will be able to win this one. Holland is just a lot better.


EDIT: As for Beasley, he is not overrated. He has a lot of speed and is a hard worker. He is a stick but he is pretty skilled.

Dolfan02
02-13-2004, 04:46 PM
Thats it Ice! 10 bucks thats what we will be wearing except in "our version" with our colors.

And I still believe in my opinion that we should incorporate our national flag onto our jersey. Listen, a lot of nations have either blue, red, white, or all of those colors as their national colors. Our stars and stripes is our unique identity and easily recognized as being American. Thats why I would like to see it on our jerseys in some small way WITHOUT making the shirt too loud.

ie: a white-based shirt. have 3 red bar stripes running horizontally at mid-chest, or set at upper chest. Have 3 or more small blue stars running down both sleeves from shoulder to the end of the sleeve. Then white shorts. Blue Socks. That would be too fresh!! But then again, it would cost Nike much more money if it were to make a unique jersey for every nation. And thats the ultimate decision, cost. With that being said, I wish our jerseys were sponsored by Umbro or Addidas. They have better designs.

:patriot:

iceblizzard69
02-13-2004, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan02
Thats it Ice! 10 bucks thats what we will be wearing except in "our version" with our colors.

And I still believe in my opinion that we should incorporate our national flag onto our jersey. Listen, a lot of nations have either blue, red, white, or all of those colors as their national colors. Our stars and stripes is our unique identity and easily recognized as being American. Thats why I would like to see it on our jerseys in some small way WITHOUT making the shirt too loud.

ie: a white-based shirt. have 3 red bar stripes running horizontally at mid-chest, or set at upper chest. Have 3 or more small blue stars running down both sleeves from shoulder to the end of the sleeve. Then white shorts. Blue Socks. That would be too fresh!! But then again, it would cost Nike much more money if it were to make a unique jersey for every nation. And thats the ultimate decision, cost. With that being said, I wish our jerseys were sponsored by Umbro or Addidas. They have better designs.

:patriot:

We already have stars and stripes in our crest. It would look really bad if they were on the sleeves or anywhere else. You can't put any stars outside of the crest because stars represent winning a World Cup, and we haven't won any.

Prime Time
02-14-2004, 02:02 AM
I agree with Ice. Stars and Stripes on a jersey would be nasty. I really enjoyed the 00-02 jerseys everyone had. Although they were all similar it was fresh. All Adida ones looked good all Nike ones looked good. Just depended which company you signed with for your jerseys. Argentina and USA had hott home and away jerseys..I own them both and will always wear them. IMO they are the best jerseys.

baccarat
02-15-2004, 03:27 AM
Will they chant Osama at this one too?

iceblizzard69
02-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by m_churchill
Will they chant Osama at this one too?

They only did that in Mexico. I doubt they will chant "Osama" in Holland.

Prime Time
02-16-2004, 05:56 PM
Predictions?????

USA-0
Holland-0

Dolfan02
02-16-2004, 09:14 PM
USA - 2
Holland - 3

iceblizzard69
02-16-2004, 11:49 PM
Holland 2
USA 1

Holland is just simply more talented than us. I think the USA will probably take this match more seriously but Holland will put in just enough effort to win.

Prime Time
02-17-2004, 12:25 AM
Holland may have more talent, but that does not mean Jack sh*t. After the WC, Brazil played Chin and tied 0-0...couldn't even score and they had Ronaldo. BTW, Holland did not even make the WC with all their "talent".

Dolfan02
02-17-2004, 01:48 AM
Woah, I just took a look at Holland's squad list that's posted above, and if the best players on that Dutch squad actually play a good amount of time... I think I'll have to reconsider my score prediction.

USA - doomed
Holland - chillin'

The only other player I don't see on that list who's considered a top Dutch player is Kluivert who plays for Barcelona. And even Bergkamp who plays for Arsenal London, he's not washed up just yet. Although he retired from international soccer, he's still doing damage with 1st place Arse as a starting striker.

Prime Time
02-18-2004, 05:35 PM
USA loses 1-0. No offense what so ever by our squad. Very poor performance by the offense, noone attacked enough. Defense did well...props to Hejduk, Gibbs, Keller and the rest of the defense. Next game for USA is agains Haiti in a friendly here in South Florida :). Ill try to go. BTW, the jerseys did not look that bad on TV. Looked much better actually.

iceblizzard69
02-18-2004, 05:52 PM
Hejduk ****ing sucks. He is the reason that we lost.

Gibbs and Keller had pretty good games though. I can't believe that Convey couldn't equalize, he had a great chance.

Dolfan02
02-18-2004, 07:15 PM
Hejduk sucks.
Donovan is over-rated.
Beasely is over-rated.
Convey is under-rated.
Reyna, God Bless you, you still have some juice.

McBride and Mathis, YOU FREAKIN BASTARDS let me down in such huge game for us.

... with that being said, USA played a great game in the 1st half and a horrible game in the 2nd half, with its first shot on goal and first cornerkick coming in the last 5 minutes of the game. I was pretty impressed with their flow in the 1st half, but will somebody tell them to FINISH AN ATTACK. Or at least, can someone tell them TO ATTACK. I hope this doesn't mean that USA national team is still breeding players that "get the gitters" when playing on the big stage. Our teams needs to have the mentality that we Americans have when it comes to everything else in the world - WE ARE GOING TO WIN.

iceblizzard69
02-18-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan02
Hejduk sucks.
Donovan is over-rated.
Beasely is over-rated.
Convey is under-rated.
Reyna, God Bless you, you still have some juice.

McBride and Mathis, YOU FREAKIN BASTARDS let me down in such huge game for us.

... with that being said, USA played a great game in the 1st half and a horrible game in the 2nd half, with its first shot on goal and first cornerkick coming in the last 5 minutes of the game. I was pretty impressed with their flow in the 1st half, but will somebody tell them to FINISH AN ATTACK. Or at least, can someone tell them TO ATTACK. I hope this doesn't mean that USA national team is still breeding players that "get the gitters" when playing on the big stage. Our teams needs to have the mentality that we Americans have when it comes to everything else in the world - WE ARE GOING TO WIN.

I don't know how you can say that Beasley is overrated. He is the only reason why we got a shot on goal.

Donovan is a striker, and strikers can't do anything if they don't get the ball. He is a very good player.

Convey is still very young. He is developing, but he isn't on the level of Beasley or Donovan yet.

Prime Time
02-18-2004, 08:20 PM
Ice, when you are playing Defensive the whole game how do you expect to win? Someone was bound to make a mistake with our lack of offensive attack. Unfortunately it had to be Hejduk...but either way it was going to be someone one way or another.

Chambers34Phins
02-18-2004, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan02
Hejduk sucks.
Donovan is over-rated.
Beasely is over-rated.
Convey is under-rated.
Reyna, God Bless you, you still have some juice.

McBride and Mathis, YOU FREAKIN BASTARDS let me down in such huge game for us.

... with that being said, USA played a great game in the 1st half and a horrible game in the 2nd half, with its first shot on goal and first cornerkick coming in the last 5 minutes of the game. I was pretty impressed with their flow in the 1st half, but will somebody tell them to FINISH AN ATTACK. Or at least, can someone tell them TO ATTACK. I hope this doesn't mean that USA national team is still breeding players that "get the gitters" when playing on the big stage. Our teams needs to have the mentality that we Americans have when it comes to everything else in the world - WE ARE GOING TO WIN.

Are we talking about the dolphins or the usa? heh

iceblizzard69
02-18-2004, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Prime Time
Ice, when you are playing Defensive the whole game how do you expect to win? Someone was bound to make a mistake with our lack of offensive attack. Unfortunately it had to be Hejduk...but either way it was going to be someone one way or another.

Hejduk always makes mistakes because he just isn't good. He was pretty bad today, and he is the reason we lost.

Dolfan02
02-18-2004, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69


Hejduk always makes mistakes because he just isn't good. He was pretty bad today, and he is the reason we lost.

Sorry but I don't know how you can put the blame on any one player. If anything if I had to blame one person, I would blame the head coach Bruce Arena. And as a matter of fact, if I was his boss I would start to consider giving him the boot. Arena has done a lot for the team but it appears he thinks a friendly game means World Cup semi-finals "so go out there and play for an 0-0 penalty kicks". What was he thinking with his strictly defensive-minded startegy for this game? This was a FRIENDLY with the #4 ranked country in the World... ATTACK, explore, push the offense, try new things to see what WE can do against a strong team. Instead Arena AGAIN (Denmark, last game) decided to sit back on his defensive "American Wall." Then what's the point of playing?

BTW, I heard the Dutch coach was freakin pissed after the game about USA's consertive game. He said something like he wished they would have played against Germany who have more "prestige and enthusiam". He said the U.S defense made it difficult for anything to happen. And I agree with him. We were downright boring just like our last game. I'm only hoping Poland doesn't cancel our next friendly in Europe due to our dullness in freakin friendlies.

As for the players: Donovan was completely non-exist in this game. He proved himself in MLS, but these are the big boys, and I don't see his consistency to hang. Beasly got one shot to the goal late in the game, I'm certainly NOT going to brag about one blocked shot. I saw him complain more than prove (as usual). Hejduk looked like he was on acid. McBride and Mathis didn't create anything. Convey was hustling, controlling the ball past defenders, creating opportunities, and had one shot on goal, but yes he and all the others could have played better. The other guys that played well were Gibbs, Reyna, Keller. Boca and Berhalter were mediocre. Thats my opinion.

iceblizzard69
02-18-2004, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan02


Sorry but I don't know how you can put the blame on any one player. If anything if I had to blame one person, I would blame the head coach Bruce Arena. And as a matter of fact, if I was his boss I would start to consider giving him the boot. Arena has done a lot for the team but it appears he thinks a friendly game means World Cup semi-finals "so go out there and play for an 0-0 penalty kicks". What was he thinking with his strictly defensive-minded startegy for this game? This was a FRIENDLY with the #4 ranked country in the World... ATTACK, explore, push the offense, try new things to see what WE can do against a strong team. Instead Arena AGAIN (Denmark, last game) decided to sit back on his defensive "American Wall." Then what's the point of playing?

BTW, I heard the Dutch coach was freakin pissed after the game about USA's consertive game. He said something like he wished they would have played against Germany who have more "prestige and enthusiam". He said the U.S defense made it difficult for anything to happen. And I agree with him. We were downright boring just like our last game. I'm only hoping Poland doesn't cancel our next friendly in Europe due to our dullness in freakin friendlies.

I would definitely not fire Arena. He has done a lot for US soccer and he is a very good coach. His defensive-minded strategy in this game was smart because Holland, who have a lot of offensive firepower, only scored one goal on us, and we had a bunch of chances to equalize. I think we should be more aggressive, but they are clearly more talented than us and the scoreline was pretty close. I think we should use friendlies to try new things out, so I agree with you to a degree, but I think our tactics were best considering the talent we have and the talent our opponents have.

Bodzilla29
03-01-2004, 04:20 PM
Kluivert, not that is an overrated player if I ever saw one.

All that potential and never became the world class player he could have been.