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JayCee
08-23-2012, 10:01 PM
I posted this in the General NFL Forum also. I thought this was an interesting listen.

http://soundcloud.com/wnsr/author-of-spygate-the-untold

JETSJETSJETS
08-26-2012, 05:55 PM
Link doesn't take you to the video or audio. Did it work for anyone else?

MR NFLFAN
08-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Link doesn't take you to the video or audio. Did it work for anyone else?


Nope didn't work for me either. That must be why its the untold story of spygate! :D

JayCee
08-27-2012, 09:19 PM
That's strange - it works perfectly when I click on it. Sorry - let me put it again below. For the record - im not into conspiracy theories at all, and there is alot this guy doesn't prove at least in this interview. I hope he does a better job in the book of backing up his allegations. But I have to admit, the way the NFL handled Spygate was shady as hell, and always gave me doubts.


http://soundcloud.com/wnsr/author-of-spygate-the-untold

MR NFLFAN
08-28-2012, 12:38 PM
Well I was finally able to listen to it. For someone who has no sources and stated he drew his own conclusions for this book from reading press articles he's done a lot of connect the dots.
So lets see the commisioner got 32 owners and coaches all to buy into his cover up because of money. I don't believe the goverment couldn't pull off a cover up conspiracy that good.
Someone not in the big money line would have come forward and cashed in the chips so to speak to fill his pockets. Sorry there is just too much speculation by the author in an effort to
cash in his chips and sell his book.

He stated that every team had used this practice in one way or another it was only just the patriots who were able to perfect it?

13ktownguy
08-30-2012, 05:46 PM
I think the other owners were left in the dark. It was burn the evidence and case closed! And its too big a can of worms to open up now because of all the money lost on bets etc. I think most will look at the 3 SB's with an asterisk in years to come.

Iroquois Joe
09-01-2012, 11:34 AM
All the evidence for SpyGate was kept behind closed doors. Only a select few actually knew what the truth was.

Compare that to the press the NFL is manufacturing in favor of their case against the small market Saints down in Appleknocker Louisiana.

In the first case the NFL does everything in it's power to keep the story in house, releasing what they choose to the public. They minimize the impact the entire story would have in so far as it would determine what dicipline / loss of title (tiltles) would be expected, especially in the eyes of the fans from the other 31 teams. There isn't a peep heard from the Patriots on the severity of the punishment, or lack thereof. Everyone in the know just wants the whole thing to disappear. The sooner the better.

Now take a look at the heavy handed treatment Tom Benson's team receives. In contrast to Kraft's gang, where Goodall did everything in his power to hide evidence, he's doing everything possible to convict those he's targeted through the press. It's like the pendulem as swung totally in the opposite direction in this case.

bigvince75
09-01-2012, 12:16 PM
All the evidence for SpyGate was kept behind closed doors. Only a select few actually knew what the truth was.

Compare that to the press the NFL is manufacturing in favor of their case against the small market Saints down in Appleknocker Louisiana.

In the first case the NFL does everything in it's power to keep the story in house, releasing what they choose to the public. They minimize the impact the entire story would have in so far as it would determine what dicipline / loss of title (tiltles) would be expected, especially in the eyes of the fans from the other 31 teams. There isn't a peep heard from the Patriots on the severity of the punishment, or lack thereof. Everyone in the know just wants the whole thing to disappear. The sooner the better.

Now take a look at the heavy handed treatment Tom Benson's team receives. In contrast to Kraft's gang, where Goodall did everything in his power to hide evidence, he's doing everything possible to convict those he's targeted through the press. It's like the pendulem as swung totally in the opposite direction in this case.


the Saints were punished because they (1) lied to Goodell about the existence of a bounty program and (2) continued to run it even after being made aware that no such program could exist. they're also one of the more profitable and popular teams in the NFL currently; they're not a "small market" team like the Seahawks or Chiefs.

the patriots cooperated with the league and didn't deny anything that had happened. the saints tried to deny everything and since it came down all the way from the GM through the coaching staff the league took action against all the main figures involved.

also considering player safety is Goodell's biggest platform it's not surprising the severity of the punishment.

JayCee
09-02-2012, 09:10 PM
the Saints were punished because they (1) lied to Goodell about the existence of a bounty program and (2) continued to run it even after being made aware that no such program could exist. they're also one of the more profitable and popular teams in the NFL currently; they're not a "small market" team like the Seahawks or Chiefs.

the patriots cooperated with the league and didn't deny anything that had happened. the saints tried to deny everything and since it came down all the way from the GM through the coaching staff the league took action against all the main figures involved.

also considering player safety is Goodell's biggest platform it's not surprising the severity of the punishment.

While I agree that player safety is definitely more important that Spygate - you really think that the slap on the wrist that the Patriots got was enough?? I know you are Patriots fan, and are biased, but come on man?? You are talking about blatantly getting caught, and that alone would tarnish the NFL and it's reputation, which is why people question why the burning of the tapes, and the minimal monetary punishment they received was adequate.

Iroquois Joe
09-02-2012, 11:25 PM
While I agree that player safety is definitely more important that Spygate - you really think that the slap on the wrist that the Patriots got was enough?? I know you are Patriots fan, and are biased, but come on man?? You are talking about blatantly getting caught, and that alone would tarnish the NFL and it's reputation, which is why people question why the burning of the tapes, and the minimal monetary punishment they received was adequate.

Actually the Patriots were fined and were stripped of a draft pick. Belichick was personally fined $500,000 and the organization $250,000. They lost a 1st round pick, but get this, if they missed the playoffs they would only lose their 2nd and 3rd. Sort of like the draft were poor performance garners a higher pick, only in this case they keep the higher pick. Which is odd in itself.

Can't argue with what bigv says. The Saints lied and continued the practice of rewarding players for everything from knock downs to cart offs. Williams promoted a hyper aggressive, punishing style of play that paid out for harm done. I haven't heard much evidence of illegal hits that drew flags or penalties durring the games. I'm sure they've reviewed tape till their eyes ache looking for that months after the fact, but to be fair, they'd have to go that route with every player that laid someone out and didn't draw a flag. Which they do with corrosponding fines, etc now, but usually within days. Nothing was said against the vast majority of these plays at the time.

Plus these type of pools and kitties have been in existance for decades and have been part of the culture of the league through the generations. A week before all this came down, two Giant defenders were openly chatting about taking out some rival. (no, I'm not going to find a link, it was headline news at a couple of sites though).

The bottom line is spygate is the only yardstick to measure a team/coach instigated violation of similiar proportions. The punishments to individuals went beyond what was resonable.

Again the evidence against individual players is supect and speculative and even if it were iron clad, nothing so far has been brought to light that any of these players injured anyone through cheating or breaking the rules on the field. There were no options like NE got for a lesser punishment based on future performance. In fact, if the truth came out, I'm pretty sure that the tapes would prove that there would be enough on them that teams that lost championships to NE would be declaring themselves the legitimate winners.

The Patriots didn't get a warning and opportunity to deny or admit they had been taping previous, or a chance to continue if they did. They were ratted out and caught red handed, continuing an illegal practice they must have employed to some degree against every team they faced. So there is no comparing goody two shoes New England for coming clean while New Orleons continued their violations. That basically shoots that down.

If Goodall wanted to set an example, he didn't have to be so severe this time around. Sure they deserved suspensions, fines and loss of picks, but he went to far based on what he's shown so far. He would have been better off to hold up some and promise to lower the boom big time on any future offenders.

JayCee
09-03-2012, 02:09 PM
Actually the Patriots were fined and were stripped of a draft pick. Belichick was personally fined $500,000 and the organization $250,000. They lost a 1st round pick, but get this, if they missed the playoffs they would only lose their 2nd and 3rd. Sort of like the draft were poor performance garners a higher pick, only in this case they keep the higher pick. Which is odd in itself.

Can't argue with what bigv says. The Saints lied and continued the practice of rewarding players for everything from knock downs to cart offs. Williams promoted a hyper aggressive, punishing style of play that paid out for harm done. I haven't heard much evidence of illegal hits that drew flags or penalties durring the games. I'm sure they've reviewed tape till their eyes ache looking for that months after the fact, but to be fair, they'd have to go that route with every player that laid someone out and didn't draw a flag. Which they do with corrosponding fines, etc now, but usually within days. Nothing was said against the vast majority of these plays at the time.

Plus these type of pools and kitties have been in existance for decades and have been part of the culture of the league through the generations. A week before all this came down, two Giant defenders were openly chatting about taking out some rival. (no, I'm not going to find a link, it was headline news at a couple of sites though).

The bottom line is spygate is the only yardstick to measure a team/coach instigated violation of similiar proportions. The punishments to individuals went beyond what was resonable.

Again the evidence against individual players is supect and speculative and even if it were iron clad, nothing so far has been brought to light that any of these players injured anyone through cheating or breaking the rules on the field. There were no options like NE got for a lesser punishment based on future performance. In fact, if the truth came out, I'm pretty sure that the tapes would prove that there would be enough on them that teams that lost championships to NE would be declaring themselves the legitimate winners.

The Patriots didn't get a warning and opportunity to deny or admit they had been taping previous, or a chance to continue if they did. They were ratted out and caught red handed, continuing an illegal practice they must have employed to some degree against every team they faced. So there is no comparing goody two shoes New England for coming clean while New Orleons continued their violations. That basically shoots that down.

If Goodall wanted to set an example, he didn't have to be so severe this time around. Sure they deserved suspensions, fines and loss of picks, but he went to far based on what he's shown so far. He would have been better off to hold up some and promise to lower the boom big time on any future offenders.

That's why I stated in my post "minimal monetary punishment." You fine a man $500,000 a year, which is ALOT of money for me; but Belichick is the highest paid coach in all of the NFL making 7.5 million a year. He is also the second highest paid coach in ALL of sports! Then we have Bob Kraft who is worth an estimated $1.7 Billion dollars (I would say $250,000 is not much of a dent in his pocket).

Now to the first round draft pick - yes that is significant. But if I recall - they had the 10th pick that year from the Saints besides their own pick in the first round. I think a more fair punishment (even though I understand it's not logical), would have been to take away their 10th pick and maybe let them keep their 31st pick. I think they picked Jarod Mayo with that pick (not sure). I actually would've taken away both first rounders all together.


The Saints lost their 2 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013 respectively, and they probably would've lost their first round pick in 2012 had it not belonged to the Patriots this year (irony). Like I said, I completely agree that the Saints should have harsher punishment than the Patriots. To me though, the way the tapes were burned, and the way everything went down, the punishment did not even come close to where one would think cheating is involved. Why didn't they suspend BB for ANY games?? I do think that people that say that their titles should have been stripped are ridiculous though.

All in all, I will say this: I'm a Dolphins fan, and that could very well cloud my view of what's fair or not because I don't like the Patriots (jealousy I suppose LOL), but unfortunately my mind will not change on this.

MAYHEM
09-05-2012, 12:35 PM
The Saints were punished fairly. The Patriots were let off to easy.

MR NFLFAN
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
The writer should think about a retitle of his book...how about my "The untold spygate conspiracy theory".