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Locke
08-26-2012, 02:29 PM
In Arizona, women are now legally pregnant two weeks before conception, according to a new law, the Orwellianly-named, “Women’s Health and Safety Act,” signed yesterday by Republican Governor Jan Brewer (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/?s=%22Jan+Brewer%22). The scientifically, medically, ethically, and intellectually dishonest legislation is designed to reduce the amount of time a woman is allowed to have a legal abortion, and is one of the most draconian bills to become law in America.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

Yup, and digestion begins 6 hours before you eat your meal. Ridiculous.

I'll give it to them, since they can't outlaw abortion, they are doing everything they can to shorten the time frame available to get it. I don't get that since science has proven that life doesn't begin at conception, but several weeks after, why they think this will stick. It's like asking for 50 bucks, getting told no, then coming back and asking for 100 instead. Arizona is the most ass backwards state in the country...

rob19
08-26-2012, 02:47 PM
Their Governor has a couple screws loose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6DHEEzbfLc

phins_4_ever
08-26-2012, 05:29 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

Yup, and digestion begins 6 hours before you eat your meal. Ridiculous.

I'll give it to them, since they can't outlaw abortion, they are doing everything they can to shorten the time frame available to get it. I don't get that since science has proven that life doesn't begin at conception, but several weeks after, why they think this will stick. It's like asking for 50 bucks, getting told no, then coming back and asking for 100 instead. Arizona is the most ass backwards state in the country...

But what is the real sad part?
That right wing, uneducated nut cases like Brewer can do stuff like that without consequences.

DzakkH13
08-27-2012, 06:13 PM
You guys should pity me. The leadership in my state blows haha.

CedarPhin
08-27-2012, 06:21 PM
Yeah, but you got Sheriff Joe, the GOAT 'merican. Because of that, Arizona's the greatest state in the union.

DzakkH13
08-27-2012, 06:22 PM
Yeah, but you got Sheriff Joe, the GOAT 'merican. Because of that, Arizona's the greatest state in the union.

:bobdole: How he keeps getting re-elected baffles me.

Locke
08-27-2012, 06:48 PM
You guys should pity me. The leadership in my state blows haha.

I'd hate to be you. You're not white, so you probably get treated like crap. Well, I've been to Flagstaff and it isn't bad at all there. Maybe the oasis in the desert of hate that is Arizona...

Gonzo
08-27-2012, 06:55 PM
You guys should pity me. The leadership in my state blows haha.

Moving out of that godawful state was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I don't remember it being a christian Iran when I was there, but then again I never strayed far from Phoenix, except the occasional trip to Flagstaff.

Wait, nevermind. I worked on a ranch in Camp Verde in high school. I take back that statement, because that's exactly what it was.

tylerdolphin
08-27-2012, 06:55 PM
So if you kill a woman two weeks before she conceives, is it a double homicide?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/imagesqtbnANd9GcQCjH4MZ8R1pjvS2I08QGqbJi-1.jpg

Gonzo
08-27-2012, 07:02 PM
So if you kill a woman two weeks before she conceives, is it a double homicide?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/imagesqtbnANd9GcQCjH4MZ8R1pjvS2I08QGqbJi-1.jpg

In Arizona? Not if she's your cousin/wife and she deserved it. She should have just brought you that Milwaukee's Best when you told her. Also not a problem if you get to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness, just don't get arrested before that (shouldn't be a problem so long as you're white). All good in the hood. Or trailer park.

Locke
08-27-2012, 07:25 PM
So if you kill a woman two weeks before she conceives, is it a double homicide?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/imagesqtbnANd9GcQCjH4MZ8R1pjvS2I08QGqbJi-1.jpg

:brewskis:

irish fin fan
08-27-2012, 08:22 PM
American Taliban at their finest.

COphinphan89
08-29-2012, 03:19 PM
As someone once said, "they believe life begins at erection".

NY8123
08-29-2012, 03:45 PM
Does this law apply to "Mexicans" or just those deemed to be "worthy" in Arizona?

CashInFist
08-29-2012, 07:37 PM
You all having fun kicking the can back and forth between yourselves? This forum is like a ghost town...

Gonzo
08-29-2012, 07:51 PM
You all having fun kicking the can back and forth between yourselves? This forum is like a ghost town...

Because a few took their ball and went home.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/08/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_62147-1.jpg

Spesh
08-29-2012, 08:22 PM
You all having fun kicking the can back and forth between yourselves? This forum is like a ghost town...

Its our fault really.

We used to have alot more posters on here. But the minute they learned they couldnt just blame socialism, communism, or atheism for their concerns and would actually have to explain why something was a problem they fled the forum in terror. Having to be educated on matters and not being able to get by on buzzwords alarmed them mightly, but i try not to judge. Regardless, those of us still here were clearly the issue. Damn us!

Locke
08-29-2012, 08:28 PM
Its our fault really.

We used to have alot more posters on here. But the minute they learned they couldnt just blame socialism, communism, or atheism for their concerns and would actually have to explain why something was a problem they fled the forum in terror. Having to be educated on matters and not being able to get by on buzzwords alarmed them mightly, but i try not to judge. Regardless, those of us still here were clearly the issue. Damn us!

Right? How dare we not simply agree with everything they say...

phins_4_ever
08-29-2012, 08:31 PM
You all having fun kicking the can back and forth between yourselves? This forum is like a ghost town...
Well, you can't educate the unwilling. Rather than staying here and learning a little bit your friends decided to run and hide in their 6000 year old world. Education is a bitch.

tylerdolphin
08-30-2012, 01:17 AM
And here we have CashInFist's semi-annual flip out and subsequent banning.

TrojanFin
08-30-2012, 08:34 AM
So here is the logic behind the decision according to a medical professional. It was a comment left on this site...

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/abortion/roe-v-wade/anti-abortion-arizona-law-says-pregnancy-starts-two-weeks-conception


MaryEllen Puopolo (http://www.facebook.com/maryeconnell) · R.N. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/RN/115038565176018) at Norwood Hospital (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Norwood-Hospital/119511691410723)At the moment of conception a women is considered to be 2 weeks pregnant. That is just how gestational age is determined. The first day of a woman's LMP (last menstrual period) is easier to identify than the actual date of conception, that is why the 2 weeks before you're pregnant are counted. It's not some crazy, outlandish law, it is just making a law out of what is already widely used and accepted. The new AZ law is consistent with current medical practices. It does matter if how the law and most OBs determine gestational age does not coincide with how the abortion clinics decide gestational age, that is a pretty big deal. The law isn't changing anything, except that Planned parenthood determines gestational age based on the date of conception, which is basically impossible to figure out, even if you're using tracking methods, not based on LMP like everyone else in the world.

Locke
08-30-2012, 01:29 PM
So because it's "easier to determine", they go with the last menstrual cycle? Basically they use the 2 weeks before pregnancy because they can't pinpoint the day that the couple had sex. If I'm understanding this right, after a couple does the horizontal tango, it takes a few days for the sperm to travel to the uterus, and then dig it's way into the ovum. Since medical professionals can't measure the exact amount of time it took for the sperm to do this, they play is safe and take it back to the earliest possible time it could have happened; the end of the last menstrual cycle. Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, they are passing a law based on this? Nope, I still think this is without merit. This is still a ploy to make the amount of time available for an abortion as small as possible...

TrojanFin
09-01-2012, 01:49 PM
It is possible that a couple can have sex multiple times throughout the entire week, so to answer your prior query... yes the last menstrual cycle would be more scientific as a point of reference. I'm sure you watched those day time talk shows where they try to figure out the daddy and they are never sure without doing a test because they can't pinpoint the day "she" got "pregnant".

At most, it shaves a couple of weeks (from 20 to 18) of the decision making process. How long should someone have to make a decision, over 4.5 months? I would think 2 months would be plenty of time. Honestly, I am ok with abortion as a last resort, but it should be done earlier in the process and should not be considered as just another form of birth control.

Locke
09-01-2012, 03:54 PM
It is possible that a couple can have sex multiple times throughout the entire week, so to answer your prior query... yes the last menstrual cycle would be more scientific as a point of reference. I'm sure you watched those day time talk shows where they try to figure out the daddy and they are never sure without doing a test because they can't pinpoint the day "she" got "pregnant".

At most, it shaves a couple of weeks (from 20 to 18) of the decision making process. How long should someone have to make a decision, over 4.5 months? I would think 2 months would be plenty of time. Honestly, I am ok with abortion as a last resort, but it should be done earlier in the process and should not be considered as just another form of birth control.

I absolutely agree with you. Abortion is not a form of birth control, and it should be done as early as possible if it's going to happen. I think this is infringing on the rights of women though. This is only passing because the Republican governor wants abortion made illegal, but can't so she is simply making it as difficult to get as possible. It's not that this is so bad, but it's the fact that if this sticks, they keep pushing the envelope. A line in the sand needs to be drawn...

tylerdolphin
09-01-2012, 05:59 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Abortion is not a form of birth control

Disagree. Condoms and pills are for poor people who cant afford abortions.