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SF Dolphin Fan
08-30-2012, 02:48 PM
Had a chance to look at Scouts Inc. top 32, which I thought was pretty interesting. Lists Chance Warmack #2 and saying that he's the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson. Also have Justin Hunter (#7) as the top receiver prospect over Keenan Allen (#18). Here's the list for discussion.
SCOUTS INC.'S TOP 32


Player
Pos.
School
Grade


1. Matt Barkley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29232)
QB
USC
94


2. Chance Warmack (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29233)
G
Alabama
94


3. David Amerson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29234)
CB
N.C. State
94


4. Barkevious Mingo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29235)
DE
LSU
94


5. Johnathan Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29236)
DT
Georgia
94


6. Star Lotulelei (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29237)
DT
Utah
94


7. Justin Hunter (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29238)
WR
Tennessee
93


8. Sylvester Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29239)
DT
N. Carolina
93


9. Manti Te'o (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29240)
ILB
Notre Dame
93


10. Jonathan Cooper (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29242)
OG
N. Carolina
92


11. Logan Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29243)
QB
Va. Tech
92


12. Johnathan Hankins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29244)
DT
Ohio State
92


13. Marcus Lattimore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29245)
RB
S. Carolina
92


14. Sam Montgomery (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29246)
DE
LSU
92


15. Jarvis Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29247)
OLB
Georgia
91


16. Corey Lemonier (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29248)
DE
Auburn
91


17. Brennan Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29249)
OT
N. Carolina
91


18. Keenan Allen (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29250)
WR
California
91


19. Kenny Vaccaro (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29251)
S
Texas
90


20. Alec Ogletree (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29252)
ILB
Georgia
90


21. Marquess Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29253)
WR
Wash. St.
90


22. Desmond Trufant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29254)
CB
Washington
90


23. Shawn Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29255)
S
Georgia
89


24. Landry Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29956)
QB
Oklahoma
89


25. Brandon Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29957)
OLB
Fla. St.
89


26. William Gholston (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29958)
DE
Mich. St.
89


27. Bennie Logan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29959)
DT
LSU
89


28. Dallas Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29960)
OT
Tennessee
89


29. Kawann Short (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29961)
DT
Purdue
88


30. Johnthan Banks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29962)
CB
Miss. St.
88


31. Luke Joeckyl (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29963)
OT
Texas A&M
88


32. Robert Woods (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29964)
WR
USC
88


* Denotes draft-eligible non-senior

Exuro
08-30-2012, 05:00 PM
I thought Decastro was the best guard prospect since Hutchinson?

Good list to keep an eye on

TedSlimmJr
08-30-2012, 05:05 PM
Interesting that they have Justin Hunter as the top receiver. Durability is the only concern I have with him. His talent and ability certainly warrant being thought of this highly. He's a player.

I think Amerson is too high there until he shows the ability to match up in pure man coverage and displays fluid hips and the ability to transition. I have Justin Gilbert as my top CB. I know he can do it.

Alec Ogletree is a little high here too. Great looking linebacker but off field issues. He's facing a potential suspension although Coach Richt hasn't exactly addressed it publicly yet.

A notable omission at the tackle spot is Taylor Lewan. He absolutely destroyed William Gholston, who they have at #26 here. I like Lewan a little better than Joeckel and/or Dallas Thomas (who's moving to guard this season).

SF Dolphin Fan
08-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Interesting that they have Justin Hunter as the top receiver. Durability is the only concern I have with him. His talent and ability certainly warrant being thought of this highly. He's a player.

I think Amerson is too high there until he shows the ability to match up in pure man coverage and displays fluid hips and the ability to transition. I have Justin Gilbert as my top CB. I know he can do it.

Alec Ogletree is a little high here too. Great looking linebacker but off field issues. He's facing a potential suspension although Coach Richt hasn't exactly addressed it publicly yet.

A notable omission at the tackle spot is Taylor Lewan. He absolutely destroyed William Gholston, who they have at #26 here. I like Lewan a little better than Joeckel and/or Dallas Thomas (who's moving to guard this season).I am very high on Hunter. I saw a mock draft that had him going #2 to Miami. If he can stay healthy, I guess top 10 for him is a possibility. I'd love to see Miami come out of this draft with two elite players, something that could happen if the team packages some of it's picks in a trade up. What's your take on Jarvis Jones? Is he someone who would fit the Dolphins system and provide the kind of pass rush we need? I know you are high on Chase Thomas (so am I) and looks like he could be a 2nd rounder.

EJay
08-31-2012, 01:49 AM
Hunter tore the ACL in his left knee this past September. That certainly is cause for concern. I know an ACL tear doesn't mean what it used to mean, but still ...

SJSharKFinFan
09-02-2012, 03:42 AM
thanks for posting need 3 more posts untill i can see the link

Zounds
09-05-2012, 01:30 PM
Am I reading that correctly, they have two guards in the top 10?!

SF Dolphin Fan
09-05-2012, 10:32 PM
Hunter tore the ACL in his left knee this past September. That certainly is cause for concern. I know an ACL tear doesn't mean what it used to mean, but still ...Yeah, that will have to be looked into for sure. If healthy, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him as the first receiver off the board.

SF Dolphin Fan
09-05-2012, 10:35 PM
Am I reading that correctly, they have two guards in the top 10?!That's definitely surprising. I know with an influx of really good defensive tackles over the past few years and more teams going with the 4-3, the guard position is becoming more important. But top 10 still seems high, especially considering where David DeCastro ending up going.

TedSlimmJr
09-05-2012, 11:16 PM
There's a lot of flaws here with their grades, but the 2 guards aren't. I felt I had already pointed out one that stuck out to me with Amerson in the top 10.... he substantiated that by going out and displaying the exact flaws that I knew he had.

You cannot grade a DB that high based on nothing but INT's on a stat sheet...which is exactly what they did. If you can't display elite hip fluidity and ability to transition to play out on an island in man coverage techniques, you're not a top 10 pick. Amerson's flaws were kept camoflauged by the scheme, until last weekend. He's not an elite cornerback prospect that belongs inside the top 10 in the mold of a Morris Claiborne, Champ Bailey, Bryant Westbrook, Shawn Springs, etc...

He's either a pure zone corner in a C2 scheme, or a safety.

Digital
09-27-2012, 12:02 AM
Those ratings reflect their opinions of how likely/soon players are to start and what their pro bowl potential is. Draft position highly skews position/role, whereas the Scouts Inc numbers do not. So while a guard may grade out as top 5, he will not be drafted in the top 5. Likewise, QB's will be selected higher than their Scouts Inc. Rating numbers reflect.

Pass rushers get selected earlier, but the depth at the top for that role may cause a few with first round grades to slip into the top of the 2nd round... Where we have 2 selections. :-) Also, a lot will change as they play the season and get final combine numbers.