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nick1
09-06-2012, 12:03 AM
I thought it was a great speech particularly when he talked about republicans in a good light and about cooperation

Anybody have any thoughts or issues with his specific.numbers I'm sure fact checkers will find something

Dogbone34
09-06-2012, 12:11 AM
is he still talking?

he's delusional

nick1
09-06-2012, 12:21 AM
Republican? Only the far right doesn't like Clinton

Dolphins9954
09-06-2012, 12:23 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/funnyBillClintonlaughingPresidentObama-1.jpg

RockyMtnPhinfan
09-06-2012, 09:27 AM
I thought it was a great speech. The guy has the ability and drive to work across party lines to get things done. Many politicians, right and left, have mentioned how polarized the two have become. This type of thing paralyzes the country. If you don't think he's a good speaker you weren't listening.

phins_4_ever
09-06-2012, 02:57 PM
It was a great speech. None of the Republican speakers came close not even Ryan and Romney.

Dogbone34
09-06-2012, 02:57 PM
Republican? Only the far right doesn't like Clinton

I must have missed the part about how repealing glass steagel was so great for the housing market and the future economy. Or how nafta saved all those manufacturing jobs. Or how about passing in obl. We all know how that story turned out.

The moron happened to be president during the Internet boom with republicans in charge of spending.
Its fun to believe in fairy tales but at some point your too old to still be watching cartoons.

klh7love
09-06-2012, 03:04 PM
I thought it was pretty amazing. By the way, if we are talking politics on this forum our team must suck, huh?

Dolphins9954
09-06-2012, 09:36 PM
Out of the last few presidents Clinton was the best. I really liked his last 1.9 trillion dollar budget that's for sure. At least there was some kind of fiscal responsibility. Welfare reform was good as well. To be fair he did have the luxury of being at the begining of the housing boom which skews his economic record considering the bust that came with it. Things like Waco and Ruby Ridge were unforgivable and no one was punished for it. And bombing that medicine plant wasn't a good move at all.

jguig
09-06-2012, 11:24 PM
I still have trouble with the whole Clinton thing. I just don't think that sexual predators should be given a forum. He would have been fired had he been employed in any company in the US. Remember him saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." How do you trust another statement he makes thereafter about anything?

phins_4_ever
09-06-2012, 11:44 PM
I still have trouble with the whole Clinton thing. I just don't think that sexual predators should be given a forum. He would have been fired had he been employed in any company in the US. Remember him saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." How do you trust another statement he makes thereafter about anything?

Wow. Easy there boy. Sexual predator?????????
He may have committed adultery (between two consenting adults) and may have lied (or straddled the line) in the hearing but a sexual predator?

I hope you don't have anything against it that I call George W Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld lying mass murderers.

Locke
09-06-2012, 11:47 PM
Wow. Easy there boy. Sexual predator?????????
He may have committed adultery (between two consenting adults) and may have lied (or straddled the line) in the hearing but a sexual predator?

I hope you don't have anything against it that I call George W Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld lying mass murderers.

It's interesting to me that everyone's biggest gripe with Clinton was his sex life, which has absolutely nothing to do with the job the man did. I guess that makes him a pretty successful President...

tylerdolphin
09-06-2012, 11:48 PM
I still have trouble with the whole Clinton thing. I just don't think that sexual predators should be given a forum. He would have been fired had he been employed in any company in the US. Remember him saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." How do you trust another statement he makes thereafter about anything?

Sexual predator? He got a blowjob from a grown woman.

phins_4_ever
09-06-2012, 11:56 PM
It's interesting to me that everyone's biggest gripe with Clinton was his sex life, which has absolutely nothing to do with the job the man did. I guess that makes him a pretty successful President...

Yep. But it's the party with all the blow job scandals, adulteries, page-loving affairs, wide-stance toilet events who screams the loudest. Hilarious.

Spesh
09-07-2012, 12:43 AM
I still have trouble with the whole Clinton thing. I just don't think that sexual predators should be given a forum. He would have been fired had he been employed in any company in the US. Remember him saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." How do you trust another statement he makes thereafter about anything?

:lol:

Lemme guess, Clinton let you down because he just couldnt live up to the embodiment of family values that is Newt Gingrich, right?

edit: or was it Herman Cain who stole your heart and vote in the primary? You know, the pizza guy who wanted to show his employees what is means to have extra pepperoni.

Statler Waldorf
09-07-2012, 02:32 PM
:lol:

Lemme guess, Clinton let you down because he just couldnt live up to the embodiment of family values that is Newt Gingrich, right?

edit: or was it Herman Cain who stole your heart and vote in the primary? You know, the pizza guy who wanted to show his employees what is means to have extra pepperoni.

So the fact that men like that don’t even make it out of the Republican primary while men like that become the Democrats’ favorite presidents (Clinton and JFK) does what to prove your point? The fact that Clinton was having an affair while on the clock for the Tax Payers’ dime should be enough to get him fired, it would in any private company in the US. He was President (an employee of the people), not King.

Spesh
09-07-2012, 03:40 PM
So the fact that men like that don’t even make it out of the Republican primary while men like that become the Democrats’ favorite presidents (Clinton and JFK) does what to prove your point? The fact that Clinton was having an affair while on the clock for the Tax Payers’ dime should be enough to get him fired, it would in any private company in the US. He was President (an employee of the people), not King.

At any given time Cain and Gingrich led their polls. They were the front runners for their parties, Republican voters endorsed them, Republican politicians promoted them, Republican donors paid for their campaigns, and yet Republicans are the first to scream and cry when a man gets a blowjob. Those who throws rocks shouldnt live in glass houses.

Clinton was an overwhelmingly good President. He did alot of good for this country. I could give a damn less what he does in his bedroom and who he does it with(i understand that regulating the bedroom is important for you though). If the choices are for a President to "abuse his powers" by getting a blowjob or a upcoming President who "abuses his power" by repeatedly cheating on his wife(s) and repeatedly demanding sexual favors from his employees in order for them to get promotions, i know which one is less damaging. Oh, and Newt Gingrich was in office when cheating on his wives, wheres the Tax Payer dime outrage?

For the right to whine about sexual indiscretions is the absolute height of hypocrisy.

Statler Waldorf
09-07-2012, 08:14 PM
At any given time Cain and Gingrich led their polls. They were the front runners for their parties, Republican voters endorsed them, Republican politicians promoted them, Republican donors paid for their campaigns,

…and yet Republicans are the ones who chose Romany over these guys, I find it funny you didn’t mention that part.


and yet Republicans are the first to scream and cry when a man gets a blowjob. Those who throws rocks shouldnt live in glass houses.

Neither of those men did what they allegedly did while on the job, Clinton did. Therefore he deserved to get fired.


Clinton was an overwhelmingly good President. He did alot of good for this country.

Yeah it’s amazing how great of a job a President can do when they have a Republican controlled congress deciding which bills and legislation they need to sign.

I could give a damn less what he does in his bedroom and who he does it with

Me either, only problem is he didn’t do it in his bedroom, it was in his office while being paid by you and me, now that’s a problem.


(i understand that regulating the bedroom is important for you though). If the choices are for a President to "abuse his powers" by getting a blowjob or a upcoming President who "abuses his power" by repeatedly cheating on his wife(s) and repeatedly demanding sexual favors from his employees in order for them to get promotions, i know which one is less damaging. Oh, and


Newt Gingrich was in office when cheating on his wives, wheres the Tax Payer dime outrage?

There’s no evidence Newt ever did any of that while “on the clock”, we have irrefutable evidence that Clinton did. If I did anything like that while at work and logging my time I’d get fired for sure (especially if I lied while under oath about it), so why not him?


For the right to whine about sexual indiscretions is the absolute height of hypocrisy.

Not at all, maybe for Newt to whine about it it’d be hypocrisy, but I have never done anything like that, nor have I ever endorsed anyone who did anything like that, so I can object to it without being a hypocrite. The guilty by association and hasty generalization fallacies aren’t anymore logically valid in here than anywhere else.

Spesh
09-07-2012, 08:56 PM
and yet Republicans

Yes? And?


are the ones

Oh, ok, who?


who chose Romany over these guys, I find it funny you didn’t mention that part.


Eventually they did choose Romney over multiple sexual deviants. Clinton was well into office when his scandal came out, giving the voters no chance to renew his 4 years. Yet, Republicans who engage in sexual escapades lead their polls. Huh, funny how that works out. A Democrat is already in office and has no chance of being throw out, Republicans cry foul. Republicans engage in similar behavior, they lead the nation in polls. Damn amusing.


Neither of those men did what they allegedly did while on the job, Clinton did. Therefore he deserved to get fired.


Ugh, yes Gingrich did. He was a member of Congress in 1980 when he cheated on his first wife Jackie(as she was dying). In '93, he did it again to his second wife Marianne. He was in office for both events. Herman Cain was never in any sort of office, but while he ran his business he sexual harrassed his female employees.


Yeah it’s amazing how great of a job a President can do when they have a Republican controlled congress deciding which bills and legislation they need to sign.


You mean the same Republican controlled congress that shut down the government, which played a part in getting Clinton re-elected? The one in which Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House before being thrown out for ethics violations? Yeah, that was certainly a brilliant congress. Way to be.


Me either, only problem is he didn’t do it in his bedroom, it was in his office while being paid by you and me, now that’s a problem.


Oh, so you dont have a problem with the act, its where the act is performed? Fair enough. If he was standing, what, 20 feet to the left it would have been perfectly acceptable? How far is it to the bedroom, 100 yards? 200?


There’s no evidence Newt ever did any of that while “on the clock”, we have irrefutable evidence that Clinton did. If I did anything like that while at work and logging my time I’d get fired for sure (especially if I lied while under oath about it), so why not him?


Its already been established you dont understand what irrefutable evidence is, but again i'll refer to my earlier point. Act doesnt matter, location does. So Gingrich engaging in multiple affairs, one of which while his wife was in a hospital bed dying, is a-ok. Clinton getting a blowjob: release the hounds!!!! :lol:


Not at all, maybe for Newt to whine about it it’d be hypocrisy, but I have never done anything like that, nor have I ever endorsed anyone who did anything like that, so I can object to it without being a hypocrite. The guilty by association and hasty generalization fallacies aren’t anymore logically valid in here than anywhere else.

The party you endorse engages in the exact same behavior, much of the time worse. Yet you bash Democrats for "their favorite Presidents"(refering to all Democrats favorite presidents, not guilty by association or hasty generalizations there huh?) doing the exact same thing.

Statler Waldorf
09-10-2012, 07:27 PM
Eventually they did choose Romney over multiple sexual deviants.

Alleged sexual deviants, there never was anything besides “hearsay” evidence on Cain which doesn’t prove much, especially considering Gloria Allred was representing the women.


Clinton was well into office when his scandal came out, giving the voters no chance to renew his 4 years.

You seem to forget that Clinton was Governor of Arkansas prior to President where he had built up quite a reputation for sexual misconduct, whether it was exposing himself to Paula Jones in 1991, raping Juanita Broaddrick in the Federal Courthouse, or having a 12 year affair with Gennifer Flowers. Not only this but the Whitewater scandal was revealed before the 1992 election as well, so Democrats don’t have any problem voting for a sexual deviant as well a financial crook ? Nice.



Yet, Republicans who engage in sexual escapades lead their polls. Huh, funny how that works out.

Yes, such Republicans lead their polls for a few weeks and then either suspend their campaigns due to pressure or just lose in the primary election, while democrats not only become President they become the most powerful leaders within their party. The comparison is not a great one to make on your part.


A Democrat is already in office and has no chance of being throw out,

Clinton was impeached, and came very close to being thrown out.


Ugh, yes Gingrich did. He was a member of Congress in 1980 when he cheated on his first wife Jackie(as she was dying). In '93, he did it again to his second wife Marianne. He was in office for both events.

Where’s your evidence he did any of this while on the job? Simply holding an office doesn’t mean you’re always on the clock or using government facilities.


jHerman Cain was never in any sort of office, but while he ran his business he sexual harrassed his female employees.

Where’s your evidence any of this ever even happened?

You mean the same Republican controlled congress that shut down the government, which played a part in getting Clinton re-elected? The one in which Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House before being thrown out for ethics violations? Yeah, that was certainly a brilliant congress. Way to be.
So you point to one member of congress and then commit the hasty generalization fallacy by assuming all members of congress were like him?


Oh, so you dont have a problem with the act, its where the act is performed? Fair enough. If he was standing, what, 20 feet to the left it would have been perfectly acceptable? How far is it to the bedroom, 100 yards? 200?

I don’t know, but if he does such things on his own time that’s not my concern, it’s his wife’s; however, do it on my dollar’s time or lie under oath and I have a right to be miffed.


Its already been established you dont understand what irrefutable evidence is, but again i'll refer to my earlier point. Act doesnt matter, location does. So Gingrich engaging in multiple affairs, one of which while his wife was in a hospital bed dying, is a-ok. Clinton getting a blowjob: release the hounds!!!!

One makes the man a jerk or rat; the other makes him a criminal so yes I have a problem when Clinton did it. You seem to live under the rule that as long as you’re doing a good job nothing else you do matters.


The party you endorse engages in the exact same behavior, much of the time worse.

Proof? There are millions of Republicans in this nation so it’s going to be a tall order for you to prove a majority of them do such things, but go for it.



Yet you bash Democrats for "their favorite Presidents"(refering to all Democrats favorite presidents, not guilty by association or hasty generalizations there huh?) doing the exact same thing.

Bill Clinton, JFK, and FDR are always at the top of Democratic polls concerning favorite US Presidents, so no hasty generalization here.

Gonzo
09-10-2012, 07:32 PM
Still cracks me up that the biggest gripe with Clinton is the fact that he got head in office. The guy could have a full harem if he wanted for all I care if it meant we had that economy back.

Spesh
09-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Alleged sexual deviants, there never was anything besides ďhearsayĒ evidence on Cain which doesnít prove much, especially considering Gloria Allred was representing the women.

You seem to forget that Clinton was Governor of Arkansas prior to President where he had built up quite a reputation for sexual misconduct, whether it was exposing himself to Paula Jones in 1991, raping Juanita Broaddrick in the Federal Courthouse, or having a 12 year affair with Gennifer Flowers. Not only this but the Whitewater scandal was revealed before the 1992 election as well, so Democrats donít have any problem voting for a sexual deviant as well a financial crook ? Nice.

Yes, such Republicans lead their polls for a few weeks and then either suspend their campaigns due to pressure or just lose in the primary election, while democrats not only become President they become the most powerful leaders within their party. The comparison is not a great one to make on your part.

Clinton was impeached, and came very close to being thrown out.

Whereís your evidence he did any of this while on the job? Simply holding an office doesnít mean youíre always on the clock or using government facilities.

Whereís your evidence any of this ever even happened?

So you point to one member of congress and then commit the hasty generalization fallacy by assuming all members of congress were like him?

I donít know, but if he does such things on his own time thatís not my concern, itís his wifeís; however, do it on my dollarís time or lie under oath and I have a right to be miffed.

One makes the man a jerk or rat; the other makes him a criminal so yes I have a problem when Clinton did it. You seem to live under the rule that as long as youíre doing a good job nothing else you do matters.

Proof? There are millions of Republicans in this nation so itís going to be a tall order for you to prove a majority of them do such things, but go for it.

Bill Clinton, JFK, and FDR are always at the top of Democratic polls concerning favorite US Presidents, so no hasty generalization here.

So your very first sentence you except blame for Cain's sexual harrassments....then blame Clinton for supposed sexual harrassments that you absolutely no proof for just hearsay, rumors, and outright lies. Outstanding. You even use the word hearsay. Hilarity.

President was already in office when their was proof, Gingrich broke ethical guidelines for decades and he leads in the polls for, what was your words: "The most powerful positions in their parties". Gingrich ran for the biggest office and was speaker for the House for Congress. So he, a Republican, despite his multiple affairs, was in fact elected into a position of power by the voters on top of leading the polls for the Presidency. Yet, Democrats electing officials into office first then learning of their sexual misadventures after the fact are the ones crossing lines. Sure. Right. Oh, and Clinton was only indicated in it years after David Hale was originally investigated by the FBI. Theres that trend again: completely innocent when running for office, suddenly some giant criminal when hes in office and its those damned democrats fault. Hilarious.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Funny how its always the Republicans who are so anxious to circumvent democracy. Clinton was voted into office by the American people and your bragging about how Republicans "came close" to throwing out the peoples elected leader. He was never escorted out, unlike another Republican president Nixon who violated ethics. Hey, theres that pattern again. Look at that. Republican moans about ethics of a President, and it turns out a Republican president was the most devious. Shocking.

Oh, so elected officials DO have time off. And its perfectly acceptable to receive head during your off hours. Funny, here i thought you could only do that in your bedroom, but now its a by the hours thing. Thanks for clearing it up. First location, then the time. Act doesnt matter. Ill remember that.

I have as much proof of Herman Cain sexual harrassing his employees as you do of Clinton raping women.

Republican controlled congress did oversee the shutdown of the federal government. No one person controls the entire congress, so not sure how thats a "hasty generalization", and they were proud of it at the time. Admittedly, when their constituents learned they couldnt go to work, the Republican congress was less pleased with what they had done and made a deal with Clinton. And Gingrich resigned before Congress could come after him. So he resigned before he could be fired. Regardless, he violated ethics. Thats a single person, i never said the entire Congress violated ethics. Just Gingrich...who lead in the Presidental polls and was elected into office multiple times.

And i suppose your right, Gingrich isnt a criminal...because Republicans dropped many charges against him. Democrat "commits a crime", release the hounds! Republican "commits a crime", lets cover it up! Hey, wasnt that the logic to Nixon to? To damn funny.

Your party endorsing that behavior is self-evident. Republican presidents commit crimes, and by your own logic that means its the America peoples fault. Republican congressman violate ethics, and get reelected then lead the polls for the presidency...where i suppose they can later commit crimes and cover it up.

I do appreciate you unbolding my "all" in the quote. Isnt it against the TOS on this site to change what someone else says? Now thats funny, a even a Republican poster cant follow the rules. Anyways, not all Democrats find those presidents their favorite. You dont consider that a hasty generalization to suggest that all do? Again, amusing how your "logic" works.

jguig
10-05-2012, 08:59 PM
Sexual predator? He got a blowjob from a grown woman.

A woman who was his subordinate in the workplace. He would have been fired under any company's sexual abuse policies.

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:lol:

Lemme guess, Clinton let you down because he just couldnt live up to the embodiment of family values that is Newt Gingrich, right?

edit: or was it Herman Cain who stole your heart and vote in the primary? You know, the pizza guy who wanted to show his employees what is means to have extra pepperoni.


Clinton was the sitting President who abused his office by preying on a younger woman. He would have been fired under any company's sexual abuse policies.


Herman Cain? What proof did anyone have he was guilty. I don't care about him a whit, but accusations do not yet meet the burden of proof in our country's courts.