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fisi
09-18-2012, 12:17 AM
...that fat bastard ruined this franchise.

Needless to say his cronie (ji) is following his footsteps by drafting lineman rather than playmakers.

Is time for a new gm!

Dolph N.Fan
09-18-2012, 12:18 AM
Why? Miami has Tannehill. I wanted Ryan too but....c'mon it's almost 5 years later. Gotta move on. Parcells certainly did lol

Dolfan5000
09-18-2012, 12:28 AM
A Parcells/ Ireland/ Ryan thread in 2012? Lol

Yeah I'd rather have a QB who rocks in the regular season and does nothing in the playoffs too!

1334
09-18-2012, 12:29 AM
Need an o-line. Parcells needed to take Long. Right decision at the time. Ryan would not have been successful in Miami.

Now, taking pat white? That's another story

Valandui
09-18-2012, 12:32 AM
No thanks. I'd rather have Tannehill than Melty Ice.

steviey013
09-18-2012, 12:36 AM
Did you curse him when Melty Ice put up a big 2 in the playoffs last year?

AdamC13
09-18-2012, 12:52 AM
Matt Ryan doesn't have the arm to have carried Miami. He may be the worst passer beyond 10 yards in the league. Julio Jones has made him look a lot better as a deep passer than he is this past year. If he hadn't had White, Jones, Gonzalez, and Turner not sure he would be viewed as much different than Sanchez at this point.

Thumper1016
09-18-2012, 01:00 AM
:deadhorse:

dlockz
09-18-2012, 01:06 AM
Need an o-line. Parcells needed to take Long. Right decision at the time. Ryan would not have been successful in Miami.

Now, taking pat white? That's another story

Ryan has done pretty well with out an elite LT, line is never more important than qb. Everything is importany but qb is by far the most important position on field. Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning have done pretty well without elite tackles

SebasMiamiFan
09-18-2012, 01:08 AM
Normally I agree with this, but it's beating the dead horse at this point. We have Tannehill now.

dlockz
09-18-2012, 01:13 AM
Normally I agree with this, but it's beating the dead horse at this point. We have Tannehill now.
I agree somewhat but its a shame that dolphin fans cant admit Ryan is a pretty damn good qb because we chose Jake Long. People feel like if they give Ryan credit it makes our team seem worse.

Vaark
09-18-2012, 01:24 AM
I cursed Nick Satan again on Sunday while I watched Aaron Rodgers carve up the Bears and Ronnie Brown do his thing as a 3rd down back for SD.

Horse before the cart: if we drafted Rodgers instead of a part time SEC RB and then signed a 1 year deal with a journeyman best known for banging his head against walls, there'd likely be no endless litany of Ryan vs Long.

Abhenne7
09-18-2012, 01:37 AM
Yep. Curse the fact we didnt draft a qb that chokes come playoff time. With all the weapons he has he shouldve at least won 3 playoffs game by now. If he cant get it done there in atlanta what makes u think he wouldve gotten it done here with sparano and dan henning

dlockz
09-18-2012, 01:40 AM
Yep. Curse the fact we didnt draft a qb that chokes come playoff time. With all the weapons he has he shouldve at least won 3 playoffs game thus far. If he cant get it done there in atlanta what makes u think hes wouldve gotten it down here with sparano

So we fault Ryan for his playoff losses(I guess people forget Peyton was worse in his three playoff losses and he turned out quite ok) but Sanchez and Tebow have won games in playoffs but we dont praise them for that. Maybe if we had a GM as good as Atlantas that knew how to build a team he would have had those weapons here.

Abhenne7
09-18-2012, 01:47 AM
When your teams sole points came off a safety then yes there is alot of blame to go on the qb. Point im trying to make is. We didnt miss out on the next peyton manning or drew brees. Hes an above average qb. Good enough to get you through the regular season. He hasnt shown thus far he can get it done when it matters

dlockz
09-18-2012, 01:51 AM
When your teams sole points came off a safety then yes there is alot of blame to go on the qb. Point im trying to make is. We didnt miss out on the next peyton manning or drew brees. Hes an above average qb. Good enough to get you through the regular season. He hasnt shown thus far he can get it done when it matters

hell Peyton got shut out in a playoff game big deal. It seems pretty damn logical its possible he could actually win a playoff game based on his regular season success. Like I said Sanchez has won alot of playoff games yet people act like he is crap. You cant have it both ways. As for next Drew Brees at this point in his career he is pretty much online with how Peyton was and definately much better than Brees was. Now the end result who knows but he is definately one of the best ten qb;s in the league and thats pretty damn good

Vaark
09-18-2012, 01:53 AM
So we fault Ryan for his playoff losses(I guess people forget Peyton was worse in his three playoff losses and he turned out quite ok) but Sanchez and Tebow have won games in playoffs but we dont praise them for that. Maybe if we had a GM as good as Atlantas that knew how to build a team he would have had those weapons here.

First, Peyton was an exception but even more relevantly , unlike Ryan losing to VT in the ACC Championship game where he threw 2 Ints and no passing TDs (sound familiar?), when it came to one and done games, Peyton actually proved he didn't have the choker gene by winning the SEC championship for TN in '97 where he beat Auburn 30-29, bringing them back down 29-17 and was the game MVP. So that's not exactly an "apples to apples" comparison

kloud_9
09-18-2012, 01:54 AM
I can care less what he looks like in the regular season. When he gets more playoff wins than pat Devlin then talk to me about this amazing QB you all are jizzing over. Can't win a game with that offense,I don't wanna hear his potential over here with Bess n hartline

dlockz
09-18-2012, 02:14 AM
First, Peyton was an exception but even more relevantly , unlike Ryan losing to VT in the ACC Championship game where he threw 2 Ints and no passing TDs (sound familiar?), when it came to one and done games, Peyton actually proved he didn't have the choker gene by winning the SEC championship for TN in '97 where he beat Auburn 30-29, bringing them back down 29-17 and was the game MVP. So that's not exactly an "apples to apples" comparison


You do realize that Peyon played on a team that was one of best in Sec in terms of talent . Name one other skill position player that Matt Ryan had around him that was anywhere near nfl talent. BC was like the 6th most talented team in the ACC recruit wise while Peyton had 4 nfl receivers starting for him over the years, Travis Henry and Jamal Lewis as his runningbacks along with Shawn Bryson multiple high draft picks on his oline. The only NFL talent on the offense outside of Ryan was some olinemen.

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I can care less what he looks like in the regular season. When he gets more playoff wins than pat Devlin then talk to me about this amazing QB you all are jizzing over. Can't win a game with that offense,I don't wanna hear his potential over here with Bess n hartline

So Mark Sanchez is a pretty amazing qb then with all his playoff wins just saying

thefranchisedef
09-18-2012, 02:26 AM
matt ryan was given the world in atlanta and i dont expect him to win a superbowl anytime soon. He just doesn't have it. He had alot of opportunities to put the game away tonight and couldn't do it. He has julio jones and roddy white! two top 10 receivers!!!!!!! what has he done? only lose every playoff game by A LANDSLIDE! he's not great and isn't a top 10 quarterback. I would love to see what tannehill would do with roddy white and julio jones! stronger arm, more athletic, and actually probably already better ball placement. MATT RYAN is OVERRATED!

thefranchisedef
09-18-2012, 02:30 AM
You do realize that Peyon played on a team that was one of best in Sec in terms of talent . Name one other skill position player that Matt Ryan had around him that was anywhere near nfl talent. BC was like the 6th most talented team in the ACC recruit wise while Peyton had 4 nfl receivers starting for him over the years, Travis Henry and Jamal Lewis as his runningbacks along with Shawn Bryson multiple high draft picks on his oline. The only NFL talent on the offense outside of Ryan was some olinemen.


Ryan has tony gonzalez, roddy white, and julio jones. if he doesn't at least make it to the nfc championship then he isn't anything special. he doesn't have IT! even chris redman won with that team.

Strangeworld
09-18-2012, 02:35 AM
Guys Jake Long was the wrong pick and you ALL know it.

Come to terms with this.

Jamaicankid21
09-18-2012, 02:37 AM
It's not about the playoffs wins, its about how you perform in the playoffs. People on this board tend to overrate and underrate Matt Ryan just because we passed him up. He has yet to do anything in a full season for me to say hes a great QB. All I see is a good QB.

thefranchisedef
09-18-2012, 02:40 AM
ten qbs i would take over matt ryan...

arod, brady, p. manning, roethlisberger, stafford, brees, rivers, eli manning, joe flacco, tony romo, cam newton, shaub, michael vick, and even josh freeman (clutch gene). not to mention i would take the top 3 qbs in this years draft over him. He's not great, he's above average. i would love to see what those qbs i listed above him would do with his receiving core.

PogiRo
09-18-2012, 02:40 AM
You do realize that Peyon played on a team that was one of best in Sec in terms of talent . Name one other skill position player that Matt Ryan had around him that was anywhere near nfl talent. BC was like the 6th most talented team in the ACC recruit wise while Peyton had 4 nfl receivers starting for him over the years, Travis Henry and Jamal Lewis as his runningbacks along with Shawn Bryson multiple high draft picks on his oline. The only NFL talent on the offense outside of Ryan was some olinemen.

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So Mark Sanchez is a pretty amazing qb then with all his playoff wins just saying

Maybe this is too demanding. But I think amazing QBs win in both the regular season and in the playoffs.

PogiRo
09-18-2012, 02:46 AM
Guys Jake Long was the wrong pick and you ALL know it.

Come to terms with this.

Naw. Maybe if I wanted to delude myself into thinking that the Dolphins were a contender and enjoy watching a team that is good, but not good enough year after year only to have to rebuild anyways after an entire career with Matt Ryan, with no championship, then Matt Ryan would be the right choice. Maybe Atlanta will prove me wrong and they'll win one with him. I doubt it. But if that were to happen, then that's the day I'd regret the Dolphins passing on him.

Jamaicankid21
09-18-2012, 02:47 AM
ten qbs i would take over matt ryan...

arod, brady, p. manning, roethlisberger, stafford, brees, rivers, eli manning, joe flacco, tony romo, cam newton, shaub, michael vick, and even josh freeman (clutch gene). not to mention i would take the top 3 qbs in this years draft over him. He's not great, he's above average. i would love to see what those qbs i listed above him would do with his receiving core.


The crazy thing is I'd take all these QBs over him and I don't even see Rodgers on the list either. Not sure about Joe Flacco though. Thats pretty close. I rank him and Ryan around the same area.

Edit: Didn't see Arod, mb.

Dolph N.Fan
09-18-2012, 03:34 AM
Matt Ryan just went over 100 tds already. About 25 a year. I'm still waiting on Jake Long to recover an offensive fumble for a TD.:chuckle:

Valandui
09-18-2012, 04:22 AM
ten qbs i would take over matt ryan...

arod, brady, p. manning, roethlisberger, stafford, brees, rivers, eli manning, joe flacco, tony romo, cam newton, shaub, michael vick, and even josh freeman (clutch gene). not to mention i would take the top 3 qbs in this years draft over him. He's not great, he's above average. i would love to see what those qbs i listed above him would do with his receiving core.
Completely agree except for Griffin.

Quadfather
09-18-2012, 05:41 AM
I bet you anything, but if the qbs were flipped and matt ryan came to us and the falcons got chad henne, henne would be flourishing now. They have roddy white, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez, not to mention a really good O-line in place. Lets face it, its not the GMs that screwed up this franchise, its the coaches they brought in to teach the players we drafted. Blame Tony Sparano and Dan Henning!

finomenal
09-18-2012, 06:25 AM
Yep. Curse the fact we didnt draft a qb that chokes come playoff time. With all the weapons he has he shouldve at least won 3 playoffs game by now. If he cant get it done there in atlanta what makes u think he wouldve gotten it done here with sparano and dan henning
It's a team game.

Vaark
09-18-2012, 07:08 AM
You do realize that Peyon played on a team that was one of best in Sec in terms of talent . Name one other skill position player that Matt Ryan had around him that was anywhere near nfl talent. BC was like the 6th most talented team in the ACC recruit wise while Peyton had 4 nfl receivers starting for him over the years, Travis Henry and Jamal Lewis as his runningbacks along with Shawn Bryson multiple high draft picks on his oline. The only NFL talent on the offense outside of Ryan was some olinemen.

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So Mark Sanchez is a pretty amazing qb then with all his playoff wins just saying

So Peyton showed early on that when it came to instant death playoff games, he could win a title with a loaded team? And not having one at BC exonerates Ryan for throwing 2 ints in his conference title game? Well okay Dlox. Maybe you're right...but now you're calling it a team effort on the Falcons when Ryan keeps crapping the bed in the playoffs with the equivalent of the loaded team you assert Peyton had at Tennessee? Sorry, can't have it both ways and that's the issue with Ryan. When you have Gonzalez, Turner and White and still look pitiful, it's more on you than the team.


I love these Mark Sanchez type references. In that case a good team carried him (once cause he didn't really earn the first playoff free pass). If a good team could carry a Sanchez, Williams or Dilfer, shouldn't then a good team be able to carry a supposedly good QB, or do you suggest that the choker gene trumps a good team?

Phantom
09-18-2012, 07:29 AM
Leave it Miami fans to talk about a qb who actually helps his team make it to the playoffs, when all we did was waste draft picks on qb's who couldn't get the team to a winning record. You ever think we might have a few playmakers if we didn't have waste 2nd round picks on qb's?

ANUFan
09-18-2012, 07:29 AM
Let it go Bro! Life get soooo much easier if you do.

finjim
09-18-2012, 07:42 AM
Terrible, horrible, amazing waste of bandwidth type thread.

finjim
09-18-2012, 07:47 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/deadhorse-1.jpg

finjim
09-18-2012, 07:57 AM
how do you delete a post?

finfan54
09-18-2012, 07:59 AM
...that fat bastard ruined this franchise.

Needless to say his cronie (ji) is following his footsteps by drafting lineman rather than playmakers.

Is time for a new gm!

yeah whatever. I am sure you werent cursing when Ryan looked like total doo doo vs. giants in playoffs.

cdz12250
09-18-2012, 08:08 AM
I cursed Nick Satan again on Sunday while I watched Aaron Rodgers carve up the Bears and Ronnie Brown do his thing as a 3rd down back for SD.

Horse before the cart: if we drafted Rodgers instead of a part time SEC RB and then signed a 1 year deal with a journeyman best known for banging his head against walls, there'd likely be no endless litany of Ryan vs Long.

Ronnie Brown was shutdown on the ground on Sunday against the Titans, rushing for eight yards on four carries, while adding 26 receiving yards on four catches.

Brown lacked production in the running game, being outdone by Curtis Brinkley and Jackie Battle. However, Brown was fairly effective as an outlet receiver or on designed screens. His value is quite low at this point. Sep 16 - 8:09 PM

dlockz
09-18-2012, 10:23 AM
Ryan has tony gonzalez, roddy white, and julio jones. if he doesn't at least make it to the nfc championship then he isn't anything special. he doesn't have IT! even chris redman won with that team.

Chris Redman was 0-2 as a starter with that team you might wanna check your facts and was 1-3 with Falcons the year before Ryan got there.. Football is a team game. You do realize even Aaron Rodgers has only made one NFC championship game and has lost in first playoff game two of last three years. And I will ask you since Mark Sanchez has made two championship games I guess you feel he is a special player.

dlockz
09-18-2012, 10:30 AM
So Peyton showed early on that when it came to instant death playoff games, he could win a title with a loaded team? And not having one at BC exonerates Ryan for throwing 2 ints in his conference title game? Well okay Dlox. Maybe you're right...but now you're calling it a team effort on the Falcons when Ryan keeps crapping the bed in the playoffs with the equivalent of the loaded team you assert Peyton had at Tennessee? Sorry, can't have it both ways and that's the issue with Ryan. When you have Gonzalez, Turner and White and still look pitiful, it's more on you than the team.


I love these Mark Sanchez type references. In that case a good team carried him (once cause he didn't really earn the first playoff free pass). If a good team could carry a Sanchez, Williams or Dilfer, shouldn't then a good team be able to carry a supposedly good QB, or do you suggest that the choker gene trumps a good team?

No such thing as a choker gene his time will come , too many people put too much blame and credit on the qb. There are plenty of teams with damn good receivers that dont do half of what he does. I mean how much did Brandon Marshall help us. You always come up with the same tired arguement about this mysterious gene, Hell Marino had Clayton and Duper and never won a superbowl but doesnt detract from him being a great qb. The odds are if you continue to play well and lead your team to the playoffs you will eventually win in playoffs. Only people like you make losing every season equal to losing in first round of playoffs. Its like the lottery you have to play to win.

datruth55
09-18-2012, 10:31 AM
I've never been a Matt Ryan fan...but I sure would love to have that receiving corp.

dlockz
09-18-2012, 10:32 AM
I've never been a Matt Ryan fan...but I sure would love to have that receiving corp.

we could have had a similar one if we had a better gm

finjim
09-18-2012, 10:37 AM
I've never been a Matt Ryan fan...but I sure would love to have that receiving corp.

I would just take one of them, gimme Roddy White or Julio Jones, that's all we need.

Wildbill3
09-18-2012, 11:13 AM
I mean really, am I going to have to hear about matty ice until he retires? or after? or drew brees? or aaron rogers? I can think of 3 gms/coaches i'd love to smack for not bringing in a QB. However, right now is not one of those times. I'm excited about the possiblities of Tannehill, and i'm not interested in what ifs of the past. If we were stuck with matt moore this season i'd be all over the what if's of the past and the what if's of the future.

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we could have had a similar one if we had a better gmnot this season we wouldn't.

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 11:17 AM
Jeff Ireland was even more on board with the Jake Long over Matt Ryan thing than Bill Parcells. Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

Zounds
09-18-2012, 11:17 AM
Very surprised nobody has tried to pin the Long pick on Ireland in this thread....

mega-fin-love
09-18-2012, 11:56 AM
1. Matt Ryan is over rated. Dude has better weapons than most QB's will ever have. He's top 15 though.
2. We have made a lot of bad draft picks but Big Jake was not one of them. I smell a 4th straight probowl coming.
3. My crystal ball shows a future of: Tannehill>Ryan

AphexPhin
09-18-2012, 11:59 AM
I'll go back even farther and mention that we could of had Drew Brees...TWICE. :(

And not having Matt Ryan does suck But I 'm over it. We hopefully we have a good one in tannehill

dolfan2909
09-18-2012, 12:00 PM
Jeff Ireland was even more on board with the Jake Long over Matt Ryan thing than Bill Parcells. Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

and you woulda had no regrets taking weeden over tannehill, only the whole dolphins fanbase would have, don't throw stones...

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 12:05 PM
You don't get very many chances to legitimately pick a real good quarterback and so it's not like the Dolphins have had that opportunity every year and just screwed the pooch every time. The Dolphins have had two genuine opportunities at elite quarterbacks, both passed up on by Nick Saban. It's looking like there's a chance Matt Ryan may be a third guy, but in order to get into that category Ryan will have to play well in the playoffs for once.

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 12:08 PM
and you woulda had no regrets taking weeden over tannehill, only the whole dolphins fanbase would have, don't throw stones...

I also would have had no regrets taking Aaron Rodgers at #2 overall in the 2005 NFL Draft. Everybody has hits and misses, especially when you actually put yourself out there and take a stand on a plethora of issues which is what real evaluators do every day, every year.

And how exactly do you already know that Weeden will be a worse pro than Tannehill, anyway?

Sean
09-18-2012, 12:14 PM
We already have a Ryan, Tannehill that is. Revist this in 3 years when Tannehill is actually better than Matty Ice, when Tannehill wins his first playoff game in year 2.

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 12:43 PM
We already have a Ryan, Tannehill that is. Revist this in 3 years when Tannehill is actually better than Matty Ice, when Tannehill wins his first playoff game in year 2.

It will be nice if that ends up the case.

Zounds
09-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Jeff Ireland was even more on board with the Jake Long over Matt Ryan thing than Bill Parcells. Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?? You hide under Ireland's bed at night? How do you know how Ireland feels in hindsight??? Ive heard Parcells say the exact opposite, that he had no regrets taking Long because it was the safe pick, and how franchises can be ruined if they get a first overall bust, and he wans't sold on Ryan at the time.

just last April Parcells said this: “One of the reasons we took Jake Long is that he was a surer bet,” Parcells told King. “Quarterbacks, you just don’t know. They’re so hard to predict. It’s easier to project how good a tackle is going to be, and a left tackle plays a pretty important position.”

Vaark
09-18-2012, 01:28 PM
Jeff Ireland was even more on board with the Jake Long over Matt Ryan thing than Bill Parcells. Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

Sorry, CK, but if Parcells predicts sunshine, I'm packing my umbrella. This is little more than a self-serving attempt for him to salvage what little credibility and reputation he has through revisionist history. And typical of all the other **** that his normally closed-mouth ayehole has been spouting after the fact to put himself in a better light.

Vaark
09-18-2012, 01:32 PM
Jeff Ireland was even more on board with the Jake Long over Matt Ryan thing than Bill Parcells. Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

Sorry, CK, but if Parcells predicts sunshine, I'm packing my umbrella. This is little more than a self-serving attempt for him to salvage what little credibility and reputation he has through revisionist history. And typical of all the other **** that this normally closed-mouth ayehole has been spouting after the fact to put himself in a better light. Don't necessarily disagree with the Long pick, but either way, just ain't buyin' it!

where's th'fish
09-18-2012, 01:37 PM
I agree with Vaark, there's no way we can truly know how things went down. I know Ck has theories about the role of the top people in the organization in every important decision and all that, but the problem with those theories is that the more we repeat them, the more we forget they're only theories and the more we start to think of them as fact. I prefer to stay as close to the truth as possible: we have no idea who wanted who how much and how the power tugging went down.

Wildbill3
09-18-2012, 01:42 PM
Parcells is only concerned with his legacy. and he's trying to salvage it after a few miserable years in miami where the most significant thing he did was roll around on a golf cart and threw a fresh coat of paint on a stinking turd. Thanks parcells.

parcells drafted long.
parcells drafted pat white.
parcells drafted chad henne.
parcells sat on his ass collected millions and left when the paint started to come off the turd.

tay0365
09-18-2012, 01:54 PM
...that fat bastard ruined this franchise.

Needless to say his cronie (ji) is following his footsteps by drafting lineman rather than playmakers.

Is time for a new gm!

:bobdole: Oh no, not this again, people need to get over it already.

Canadianfishfan
09-18-2012, 01:56 PM
I swear, some of you guys sound like psycho ex boyfriends who stalk their ex girlfriends who dumped you 3 years ago.

Get over it. Move on.

tay0365
09-18-2012, 02:43 PM
You don't get very many chances to legitimately pick a real good quarterback and so it's not like the Dolphins have had that opportunity every year and just screwed the pooch every time. The Dolphins have had two genuine opportunities at elite quarterbacks, both passed up on by Nick Saban. It's looking like there's a chance Matt Ryan may be a third guy, but in order to get into that category Ryan will have to play well in the playoffs for once.

CK, respect your opinion, but elite and Ryan....they don't go together. Ryan had a very good game last night, no doubt, but an elite QB get it done no matter who is around him, Ryan has weapons galore, and the coaching/organization know that Ryan is a smart QB, a good QB, but he is far from an elite QB, take away his toys, Ryan looks like a QB that needs help.

tay0365
09-18-2012, 02:49 PM
We already have a Ryan, Tannehill that is. Revist this in 3 years when Tannehill is actually better than Matty Ice, when Tannehill wins his first playoff game in year 2.

Right now Ryan is a better QB then Tannehill, but Tannehill is being brought the right way, you can see the confidence in him, I would be very surprised, if Tannehill isn't as good or better then Ryan come next year, after that....lets just say hopefully we don't have to see any more Matt Ryan posts any more. I am very happy with what I am seeing in Tannehill.

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?? You hide under Ireland's bed at night? How do you know how Ireland feels in hindsight??? Ive heard Parcells say the exact opposite, that he had no regrets taking Long because it was the safe pick, and how franchises can be ruined if they get a first overall bust, and he wans't sold on Ryan at the time.

just last April Parcells said this: “One of the reasons we took Jake Long is that he was a surer bet,” Parcells told King. “Quarterbacks, you just don’t know. They’re so hard to predict. It’s easier to project how good a tackle is going to be, and a left tackle plays a pretty important position.”

I know someone personally in the media that has spoken to Parcells about this exact topic, in private, and yes the Ryan versus Long question kept him up at night. That is a simple fact. You're only quoting one side of the issue, the reasons Parcells ultimately was on board with Jake Long over Matt Ryan. But there's always another side to the argument, even with the same person. When Sean Payton left the Cowboys to become the Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints, and Parcells was giving Payton advice on how to establish himself, he told Payton the very first thing he should do is get his quarterback, if he's got the chance. That's why Payton jumped on Drew Brees even accepting the risk associated with his shoulder injury. So Parcells recognized both sides, that it's riskier to take the quarterback over the tackle, AND that the most important thing you need to do when you rebuild a franchise is to get your quarterback. That is why he was kept awake at night. And later, Parcells made big waves when he was asked a question about whether they made the wrong decision, and Parcells suggested that maybe they did. That made all kinds of headlines. Later, after Jeff Ireland felt the need to immediately come out of his cave and make a rare appearance to the media in order to specifically refute the suggestion by Parcells that they regret taking Jake Long over Matt Ryan, that is when Parcells issued a "clarification" of earlier comments. No doubt there was a peeved phone call from Ireland to Parcells somewhere in between the original statement and the clarification.

As for Jeff Ireland, when he selected Jake Long he said immediately that he had Jake as the #1 player on his draft board for over a year prior to that Draft. He specifically said the #1 overall player, not "I had him high" or anything like that. He was the #1 player on his board for over a year. Then, as I said, when Parcells suggested that maybe they did make a mistake choosing Long over Ryan, Jeff Ireland went out of his way to do a rare media appearance in order to reiterate that they have zero regret about taking Jake Long and will never ever have any regret about taking him. He talked about Long being a Pro Bowler every year he's been in the league, etc. Ireland is not in the practice of talking to the media for any reason. But when it came to someone commenting on Jake Long, that drew him out immediately. And you know what? It happened again very recently. A beat writer made a suggestion in a BLOG that selecting Jon Martin may be in preparation for Jake Long's walking as a free agent. Again, the man who never wants to speak to the media, IMMEDIATELY comes out in front of the media and reads an opening statement declaring that this report is absolutely false and that he wants Jake Long to be a member of the Miami Dolphins forever. Again I have to say, considering he never wants to come out and speak to the media, the easiest thing in the world would be to let some off hand casual bit of speculation by a beat writer on a blog go uncommented. Easiest thing in the world. But no, it drew him like moth to a flame.

So yeah, go on and tell me I'm full of it if you like. But I'm about 95% sure that I'm correct on this one.

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Sorry, CK, but if Parcells predicts sunshine, I'm packing my umbrella. This is little more than a self-serving attempt for him to salvage what little credibility and reputation he has through revisionist history. And typical of all the other **** that this normally closed-mouth ayehole has been spouting after the fact to put himself in a better light. Don't necessarily disagree with the Long pick, but either way, just ain't buyin' it!

I don't see how it helped his reputation to essentially admit he may have made a mistake with the first and most important decision he made when taking over a new franchise. That's what he did.

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Here's a good rundown on the incident I'm talking about.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/39225/parcells-does-not-regret-drafting-jake-long

Parcells mused toward Armando Salguero that "Maybe we should have" taken Matt Ryan over Jake Long, when the two were discussing his potential mistakes in Miami.

That predictably released a firestorm of headlines. But read what Parcells said to Tim Graham in response to the furor:


"You always wonder if you should've taken a quarterback," Parcells said when I called him Wednesday. "You always wonder about that. But I don't regret taking Jake Long. The guy has been in the Pro Bowl every season he's played. What else you want?"

"Perhaps Matt Ryan instead," I replied.

There was silence for a few seconds.

"Well," Parcells said, "I've seen him as well."

Sounds to me like he's pretty regretful about the choice but knows he has to toe the line for his pal.

Zounds
09-18-2012, 05:55 PM
Sounds to me like he's pretty regretful about the choice but knows he has to toe the line for his pal.

I got the exact opposite out of that article.

I think when Parcells said "Absolutely....I do not regret taking Jake Long", it kind of seals the deal. You are reading way beyond Pacells' "maybe" and interpreting it as regret.

Zounds
09-18-2012, 05:58 PM
I know someone personally in the media that has spoken to Parcells about this exact topic, in private, and yes the Ryan versus Long question kept him up at night. That is a simple fact. You're only quoting one side of the issue, the reasons Parcells ultimately was on board with Jake Long over Matt Ryan. But there's always another side to the argument, even with the same person. When Sean Payton left the Cowboys to become the Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints, and Parcells was giving Payton advice on how to establish himself, he told Payton the very first thing he should do is get his quarterback, if he's got the chance. That's why Payton jumped on Drew Brees even accepting the risk associated with his shoulder injury. So Parcells recognized both sides, that it's riskier to take the quarterback over the tackle, AND that the most important thing you need to do when you rebuild a franchise is to get your quarterback. That is why he was kept awake at night. And later, Parcells made big waves when he was asked a question about whether they made the wrong decision, and Parcells suggested that maybe they did. That made all kinds of headlines. Later, after Jeff Ireland felt the need to immediately come out of his cave and make a rare appearance to the media in order to specifically refute the suggestion by Parcells that they regret taking Jake Long over Matt Ryan, that is when Parcells issued a "clarification" of earlier comments. No doubt there was a peeved phone call from Ireland to Parcells somewhere in between the original statement and the clarification.

As for Jeff Ireland, when he selected Jake Long he said immediately that he had Jake as the #1 player on his draft board for over a year prior to that Draft. He specifically said the #1 overall player, not "I had him high" or anything like that. He was the #1 player on his board for over a year. Then, as I said, when Parcells suggested that maybe they did make a mistake choosing Long over Ryan, Jeff Ireland went out of his way to do a rare media appearance in order to reiterate that they have zero regret about taking Jake Long and will never ever have any regret about taking him. He talked about Long being a Pro Bowler every year he's been in the league, etc. Ireland is not in the practice of talking to the media for any reason. But when it came to someone commenting on Jake Long, that drew him out immediately. And you know what? It happened again very recently. A beat writer made a suggestion in a BLOG that selecting Jon Martin may be in preparation for Jake Long's walking as a free agent. Again, the man who never wants to speak to the media, IMMEDIATELY comes out in front of the media and reads an opening statement declaring that this report is absolutely false and that he wants Jake Long to be a member of the Miami Dolphins forever. Again I have to say, considering he never wants to come out and speak to the media, the easiest thing in the world would be to let some off hand casual bit of speculation by a beat writer on a blog go uncommented. Easiest thing in the world. But no, it drew him like moth to a flame.

So yeah, go on and tell me I'm full of it if you like. But I'm about 95% sure that I'm correct on this one.

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I don't see how it helped his reputation to essentially admit he may have made a mistake with the first and most important decision he made when taking over a new franchise. That's what he did.

I dont disagree with anything you said here, but none of this shows Parcells regrest taking Long. It does sound like you are suggesting that Parcells knew to take a QB (as he told Sean Peyton), and Ireland overuled him because he had Long rated higher?? I'm not sure I'd believe that...

DolphinGlory1
09-18-2012, 06:13 PM
Matt Ryan has the same amount of rings as Jake Long! 0 !

Daytona Fin
09-18-2012, 06:19 PM
Parcells actually lost sleep at night because he saw both sides of the argument, and he's expressed regret about the decision since leaving the Dolphins. Ireland lost no sleep, and has no regrets.

So do you expect Ireland to throw his player, Jake ,under the bus and come and say he made a mistake drafting Jake?

ckparrothead
09-18-2012, 08:38 PM
I dont disagree with anything you said here, but none of this shows Parcells regrest taking Long. It does sound like you are suggesting that Parcells knew to take a QB (as he told Sean Peyton), and Ireland overuled him because he had Long rated higher?? I'm not sure I'd believe that...

I'm not saying that at all. I think Parcells openly wondered whether he should take Ryan or Long, and that's why he's showing some pretty clear ambivalence when it comes to whether he does or does not regret that decision. He essentially confirmed both. I don't regret taking Jake Long, but I do regret not taking Matt Ryan. He essentially said both. He feels both.

But he had Jeff Ireland telling him Jake Long and he had Tony Sparano telling him Jake Long and he had his buddy Dan Henning saying Matt Ryan is no better than Chad Henne and I think that was a tipping point for Bill Parcells. I think Parcells absolutely does believe that when one is available the first thing you do is get that quarterback and that's why he told Sean Payton that. But the question was, is one available. I think Jeff Ireland and everyone else were all saying Jake Long, and I think Parcells gave in on it and agreed. He's not as much of a stone guy as people perceive. The same thing happened with him with the Cowboys with respect to Marcus Spears and DeMarcus Ware. He liked DeMarcus Ware...a lot. He reminded him of Lawrence Taylor. Jeff Ireland was reminded of Derrick Thomas. I believe Jerry Jones saw Charles Haley in him. But overall there have always been rumblings that Parcells wanted Spears first. Yet, because there was a consensus and because Parcells liked the guy, he was OK with DeMarcus Ware.

I'm not saying anyone got overruled. I'm not saying anyone got dragged into the decision. I'm saying Parcells lost sleep at night over the Ryan-Long question. I know that. I don't think Jeff Ireland did, at all. I don't think he liked the idea of taking Matt Ryan. That's it, that's all I'm saying. I'm not sleeping under anyone's bed and I don't have any microphones anywhere. I have some friends that have had some conversations, that's true. However with Ireland and Long, it's just REAL EASY to read those tea leaves because the guy has practically screamed it from a mountain top ever since the moment he took Long.