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Fins_of_Fury
09-18-2012, 12:24 PM
These replacement officials......http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/6a00d8345304b969e2010534b03b29970b200pi-1.jpg ........make Ed Hochuli look like a genius!

C'MON MAN!

Hayden Fox
09-18-2012, 12:32 PM
I like the replacement refs. Not as many flags. We always got hosed by the originals. See Gene Steratore.

jfleag61
09-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Do you REALLY think that those calls AGAINST the Patriots at the end of that game sunday would have been called by the "regular" refs? I don't think so....so I'm ok with the replacements!

Fins_of_Fury
09-18-2012, 12:37 PM
I think we all remember the vaunted Pittsburgh game
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/steratore_586252a-1.jpg

BlueCelicaTRD
09-18-2012, 12:48 PM
Just when I start to forget that game again.............

j-off-her-doll
09-18-2012, 12:51 PM
Their calling of the game isn't that much worse. The main problem is their organization of the game. It seems like they feel the need to explain themselves every time a HC yells at them. Really slows down the game.

LANGER72
09-18-2012, 12:53 PM
I agree with keeping the replacements. There are a few instances of stupidity, but otherwise I like less laundry on the field.
And, some teams have gotten very cozy with certain groups of Refs.
Those Refs think they are supreme court justices..jobs for life..

j-off-her-doll
09-18-2012, 12:56 PM
The reffing in our games hasn't been that bad. For the most part, the games have kept a decent pace. Monday Night Football, though, was a complete mess. John Fox should receive a very serious warning about his behavior on the sidelines. He certainly added to the chaos.

dolpns13
09-18-2012, 01:00 PM
I like the replacement refs. Not as many flags. We always got hosed by the originals. See Gene Steratore.

No, but when there is one, watch out.. They make a 3 hour game last almost 4 hours. These refs are simply put, horrendous at making decisions and they dont know the rules of the game are.

finsfanjay13
09-18-2012, 01:00 PM
I like the replacement refs. Not as many flags. We always got hosed by the originals. See Gene Steratore.

Funny enough that they removed a ref because he was a Saints fan (which I agree with, btw), but had no comment on the fact that Steratore had lived in Pittsburgh his entire life during that incident...

dolpns13
09-18-2012, 01:02 PM
The reffing in our games hasn't been that bad. For the most part, the games have kept a decent pace. Monday Night Football, though, was a complete mess. John Fox should receive a very serious warning about his behavior on the sidelines. He certainly added to the chaos.

Gimme a break - He will not receive a warning as he should not. Can you blame the guy? I certainly dont. These refs have no idea what they are doing, or calling.

Canadianfishfan
09-18-2012, 01:19 PM
I think teams are pushing their luck with the replacement refs. No they aren't as good as the normal ones, but they're doing the best they can. Screaming, swearing, pushing them etc... does nothing to make their jobs easier, and make them more accurate.

Team and players need to be held accountable as well. If I was the Commish, I'd be sending out a league wide warning, letting teams know that fines will be coming down if anyone is behaving in a manner that is detrimental to the ability of these refs to do their job as best as they can. John Fox definitely took liberties at embellishing, and overacting. Deplorable, and classless. There are methods and avenues to protest. Instead he should've more pissed off with his teams disgusting first half performance.

I felt sorry for those refs. They are PEOPLE, and everyone is treating them like a commodity. It doesn't help when the people who have no respect, treat you with no respect. How can any official in any game maintain order with teams taking the liberty of cheap shots.

The NFL needs to reel everyone in.

dolpns13
09-18-2012, 01:27 PM
These replacement refs are a joke!!! In adidtion to "incompetent", now we can add "unprofessional" to the list

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/lesean-mccoy-replacement-ref-said-i-need-you-for-my-fantasy-team/


Funny enough that they removed a ref because he was a Saints fan (which I agree with, btw), but had no comment on the fact that Steratore had lived in Pittsburgh his entire life during that incident...

tay0365
09-18-2012, 01:35 PM
These replacement officials......http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/09/6a00d8345304b969e2010534b03b29970b200pi-1.jpg ........make Ed Hochuli look like a genius!

C'MON MAN!


Disagree bigtime, with the old refs more times then not, I came away from the game thinking someone must be paying them to make that call, with these new guys, they have made mistake, but so far in two games have not made a call where I thought the call helped in Miami losing.

I am starting to hope these Refs stay for the entire season, Miami might actually be able to win or lose games on what they do on the field, give Hochuli more time to pump himself up even more, so he can show his big muscles next year.

Avigatorx
09-18-2012, 02:53 PM
Good thread.

I actually think these refs are more impartial than the guys they replaced.

I find it funny that last week there were very few officiating issues, however this week, they are horrible, and coincidently, who are the teams that lost this week? OH! That's right, the Patriots, Cowboys, Redskins, Peyton Manning and the Broncos....

Kraft and Jones upset that these new guys arent on their payroll yet?

Face it, we as fans complain about officiating EVERY YEAR. Why, all of a sudden, is it worst?

Thats right, the Cowboys and Patriots lost this week.....

Fins1971
09-18-2012, 03:12 PM
I'm liking the replacements so far also. Doesn't seem to be the bias that the old officials had for the favorite teams.

And fans should take it easy on these guys. They are doing their best and can only get better each week.

BTW they had an interesting discussion on these refs on Sirius NFL today. The mentioned that the last time this happened the Division 1 NCAA refs took on the burden of covering the games.
However this wasn't allowed this time. NCAA serves as a sort of minor league for NFL officiating. If you are real good in NCAA you have a chance to get a NFL job. But the NCAA is sticking with the NFL this time and NOt allowing the NCAA refs to take the Sunday games. So they had to bring in refs that couldn't make the NCAA level for one reason or another. And that is what we have right now.

But by taking these jobs and crossing over against current refs they will never get another chance to move up that job ladder. Its a one time shot to be an NFL ref. But when they bring back the original refs all of these guys will be black listed.

Another interesting point is they were saying that the regular refs get about $150K for a part time job. The replacements are getting $60K but can treat it like a full time job.
Study learn and get better and maybe they actually win out in the end.

To me I'd rather have a bunch of $60K guys with no ties to the NFL treating it like a full time job. The HD camera in the sky catches most of the mistakes that can be corrected.

The regular guys knew how to manipulate the system and give those favorite teams the slight edge every week. Like raising your hands to signal a TD when the ball hasn't come near to crossing the goal line. But the play is over cuz I raised my hands. We can't use the HD camera to see who recovered the fumble cuz I know how to maniulate the system.

JMHO.

J. David Wannyheimer
09-18-2012, 03:22 PM
I'm sorry, but did you actually watch that Broncos game? The officiating was terrible in that game. An absolute trainwreck and the game went almost four hours. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Peyton Manning lost. It has everything to do with the fact that the officials did an awful job.

Fins1971
09-18-2012, 03:38 PM
I'm sorry, but did you actually watch that Broncos game? The officiating was terrible in that game. An absolute trainwreck and the game went almost four hours. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Peyton Manning lost. It has everything to do with the fact that the officials did an awful job.

Didn't watch but I heard that it took a long time. That is probably one of the downsides.

But really what is the difference if they miss a bunch of calls that don't change the outcome vs a crew that makes all the calls right except for the last one that decides the game.
That is what we have grown used to with the regulars. At least Dolphin fans anyway.

natetherock
09-18-2012, 03:48 PM
I have to agree with most that there hasn't seemed to be nearly as much bias thru 2 games. The new refs are terrible and have missed their fair share but they seem to be equally terrible for both teams.

dolpns13
09-18-2012, 04:20 PM
They are impartial because they do not know the rules.

Do you actually enjoy sitting through a quarter that lasts a whole hour (such as last nights game)? Or perhaps a 4 hour game?

Are they impartial, yes, but for the wrong reasons.
Good thread.

I actually think these refs are more impartial than the guys they replaced.

I find it funny that last week there were very few officiating issues, however this week, they are horrible, and coincidently, who are the teams that lost this week? OH! That's right, the Patriots, Cowboys, Redskins, Peyton Manning and the Broncos....

Kraft and Jones upset that these new guys arent on their payroll yet?

Face it, we as fans complain about officiating EVERY YEAR. Why, all of a sudden, is it worst?

Thats right, the Cowboys and Patriots lost this week.....

tay0365
09-18-2012, 04:30 PM
I'm sorry, but did you actually watch that Broncos game? The officiating was terrible in that game. An absolute trainwreck and the game went almost four hours. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Peyton Manning lost. It has everything to do with the fact that the officials did an awful job.

All I am interested in is how are they doing in our game, and so far I prefer these guys.....At least I am not going home wanting to choke a ref for being part of the reason we lost. Some of the calls in the past with the real refs have left me at times pretty upset.

I wish there were no blown calls, but if I notice that it's going both ways equally, then I could live with it, that seems to not happen at times with the so called 1st team refs.

madmic21
09-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Gimme a break - He will not receive a warning as he should not. Can you blame the guy? I certainly dont. These refs have no idea what they are doing, or calling.

He lost his cool and composure and that is something a coach should not do. He was flat out wrong on the 12 man call. The calls leading up to that were nothing that should have sent him into this kind of action.

SebasMiamiFan
09-18-2012, 04:33 PM
They've sucked, but they haven't had much of an impact on our first two games so far.

tay0365
09-18-2012, 04:35 PM
They are impartial because they do not know the rules.

Do you actually enjoy sitting through a quarter that lasts a whole hour (such as last nights game)? Or perhaps a 4 hour game?

Are they impartial, yes, but for the wrong reasons.

Whatever, I can take an half hour or more of game time if it allows my team to have a chance to win the game, instead of having it taken from them....I will just order another beer at sports bar I watch the game at. :ffincali:

MadDog 88
09-18-2012, 04:36 PM
The Dolphins have been fortunate thus far buy I guarantee those who prefer them now, will be calling for their heads when we get a bad crew.

The NFL needs to get the regulars back ASAP! These replacements are horrible.

madmic21
09-18-2012, 04:37 PM
I'm sorry, but did you actually watch that Broncos game? The officiating was terrible in that game. An absolute trainwreck and the game went almost four hours. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Peyton Manning lost. It has everything to do with the fact that the officials did an awful job.

But I can't think of one call that changed the outcome of the game. Sure they took awhile to administer some calls but what can be expected? Would love to see some of you guys get thrust into he national spotlight with 10s of thousands in house fans, players, and coaches acting like 2 year olds just removed of the tit. These coaches and players are supposed to be professionals and to let calls that are not even that bad bust your composure is kind of sad...

Spesh
09-18-2012, 04:42 PM
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Have little problem with the replacement refs making bad calls. That was expected. And its not their fault the NFL is using their new favorite toy known as the Lockout. The only thing i really fault them for is taking 17 days to make a damn call on the field. There was a what, 10 minute delay in the first half of the Falcons game because they couldnt figure out the penalty call? I muted the tv after Gruden announced 8 minutes had passed.

They need to make decisive decisions and stick to them even if its wrong. Then again, i feel that anything that happens on the field should be reviewable, especially penalties. Coaches are still limited to 2 challenges anyways and bad ref calls happen weekly, regardless of job experience.

Avigatorx
09-19-2012, 12:32 PM
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That call killed me. I'm still scratching my head over it.