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SkapePhin
09-28-2012, 10:50 AM
That has to be one of the worst pieces of propaganda I have seen in recent years. The filmmaker spends about 2 hours making his thin argument that Obama is seeking to purposely diminish the power of the United States by comparing him with Obama Sr. - a man Obama Jr. met once after his childhood. (The other half of the film seems like a bad Reaganite dating video where the filmmaker goes into his love for the America of the Reagan Era)

It numbs my mind how I have seen people say they were truly scared about the future of the country after seeing this film.

Essentially, the film boils down to: "Oh noes, Obama is taking all our nukes!"

I'm not saying Obama is doing a great job, but man, W. Bush was a hell of a lot worse for this country (as you can see in our present situation) than what Obama has done thus far. W. started this train rolling.

phins_4_ever
09-28-2012, 07:58 PM
That has to be one of the worst pieces of propaganda I have seen in recent years. The filmmaker spends about 2 hours making his thin argument that Obama is seeking to purposely diminish the power of the United States by comparing him with Obama Sr. - a man Obama Jr. met once after his childhood. (The other half of the film seems like a bad Reaganite dating video where the filmmaker goes into his love for the America of the Reagan Era)

It numbs my mind how I have seen people say they were truly scared about the future of the country after seeing this film.

Essentially, the film boils down to: "Oh noes, Obama is taking all our nukes!"

I'm not saying Obama is doing a great job, but man, W. Bush was a hell of a lot worse for this country (as you can see in our present situation) than what Obama has done thus far. W. started this train rolling.

All this birther-socialist-muslim-america-go-down crap has just one underlying reason: color

TrojanFin
09-28-2012, 08:05 PM
All this birther-socialist-muslim-america-go-down crap has just one underlying reason: color

Yes... so all these people are just an anomaly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_Republicans

How these African-American Republicans ever win office is beyond me.

Eshlemon
09-28-2012, 11:20 PM
Darn those Indian director and their self hate against colors...lol, there's a good chance he's darker than Obama. Hey, that Fahrenhype 9/11 had one underlying reason...color? Has a long way to go to catch Moore's 2004 #1 pre-election crappy movie, but this #2 is now #2 in political documentaries. And thank Fonzie this didn't besmirch Bradbury anymore by being named 2016: 451. Think Moore's safe and won't get caught at the box office by this...and certainly ain't going to be given awards in Cannes or Hollywood. Expect the South Park guys "The Book of Mormon" musical to clean up at awards shows though.

And please no crappy "Celsius 41.11" for this one.

phins_4_ever
09-29-2012, 01:24 AM
Darn those Indian director and their self hate against colors...lol, there's a good chance he's darker than Obama. Hey, that Fahrenhype 9/11 had one underlying reason...color? Has a long way to go to catch Moore's 2004 #1 pre-election crappy movie, but this #2 is now #2 in political documentaries. And thank Fonzie this didn't besmirch Bradbury anymore by being named 2016: 451. Think Moore's safe and won't get caught at the box office by this...and certainly ain't going to be given awards in Cannes or Hollywood. Expect the South Park guys "The Book of Mormon" musical to clean up at awards shows though.

And please no crappy "Celsius 41.11" for this one.
You are throwing a native American with an African American in one box???

You are also aware, based on your historical knowledge, that even native Americans have no clean sheets when it comes to slavery of African Americans. They sure did not go overboard like the white folks but some tribes were engaged in slavery.

And if you think that a native American can not be a racist you are mistaken. Anybody and everybody can be a racist one way or another: white folks, Hispanics, native Americans, African Americans.

And you certainly shouldn't write this off as some whacky conspiracy theory because I have yet to see any President being under such pathetic attack like the Birther movement, has been called a Muslim, has been called an Anti-American etc.

COphinphan89
09-29-2012, 05:34 AM
I saw it several weeks ago. D'Souza whines about Obama not being rabidly militaristic enough and fully embraces an American empire instead of the republic it's supposed to be.

phinfan3411
09-29-2012, 09:02 AM
All this birther-socialist-muslim-america-go-down crap has just one underlying reason: color

I will not say there are no racists amongst the republicans, there most certainly are.

I look at things differently though now, all of these "tools", in this case liberals use, do nothing to help the growth of society, and really mean nothing at all.

Both parties really do not stand for anything, their convictions are a dry-erase board. These supposed "convictions" like racism, education, etc. are NOT really convictions, but more a temporary, and in some cases, life long tool to attack the other party.

I will use the anti war "tool" for my example, even though the "tool" you use in this example is racism.

Go back a few years, 2006 or so, i can't remember exactly when it happened, but as i have said many times before, I used to be a republican. I was going through the process of realizing republicans did not fit my idea of a great political party, i was not happy with the war, nor our foreign policy in general. I really wondered if i SHOULD be a democrat. they were so anti war, vehemently against torture, etc, i thought many times if they just were more in tuned with protecting our individual rights, i would be sold.

Fast forward to now, and i was not smart enough to figure this out until just recently, but democrats, or liberals, what ever name you wish to group them under, they really have NO concrete convictions. Am I talking about all of them? Most, i am sure some have actual integrity, and do not just support whatever the current rally cry is for their party, but i am surely talking about the majority.

Here it is 2012, we have their President in office that used to not believe in conflict like that, but it turns out he is even a bigger war monger than Bush was. It also turns out, democrats now do not feel so strongly about the anti war movement, the only thing they care about is the current rally cry from their party that they can attack the republicans on. A few days ago it was that veteran bill, every democrat on my Facebook friends list was crying about republicans not caring about veterans, because they killed the veterans job bill. I have no idea about the bill, but i happen to think veterans (myself included) are no better than lets say my next door neighbor that did not serve, why should they have an advantage over another guy? I (obviously) knew these people personally, and if any of these people really cared about veterans, it was the first i heard, again just a tool.

So, i take nothing these partisan people say seriously anymore, it really means nothing. If you can move your opinions SO FAR on a subject like war, where the hell do you really stand on ANYTHING?

This is not a jab at you personally, but the way of thinking you represent. The tool you used to attack this time is an old favorite, RACISM.

Yeah, the republicans never attacked mercilessly any previous white democrats, it all started with the first black president.

Is this ever going to get old?

Gonzo
09-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Obama probably loves that more people talk about this kind of stuff, "American exceptionalism," etc. than about the economy and areas in which he is actually weak. Republicans are running quite the campaign...

Eshlemon
09-29-2012, 01:34 PM
You are throwing a native American with an African American in one box???

You are also aware, based on your historical knowledge, that even native Americans have no clean sheets when it comes to slavery of African Americans. They sure did not go overboard like the white folks but some tribes were engaged in slavery.

And if you think that a native American can not be a racist you are mistaken. Anybody and everybody can be a racist one way or another: white folks, Hispanics, native Americans, African Americans.

And you certainly shouldn't write this off as some whacky conspiracy theory because I have yet to see any President being under such pathetic attack like the Birther movement, has been called a Muslim, has been called an Anti-American etc.

Lol, not sure who's going to be pissed more at such blatant and obvious offensive bigotry, Native Americans or Indians. Dinesh D'Souza is an Indian from India. Haven't seen anything about him hating blacks or muslims. D'Souza is conservative with some extremely stupid views towards liberalism with crazy framed Michael Moorish conspiracies...his first book was The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and its Responsibility for 9/11.

Eshlemon
09-29-2012, 02:28 PM
Obama probably loves that more people talk about this kind of stuff, "American exceptionalism," etc. than about the economy and areas in which he is actually weak. Republicans are running quite the campaign...

Too many states with the worst economic problems in the nation would not ever switch from Obama to Romney or even just have them dragged into realistic tossup status...Cal, NY, Ill, MI, NJ, CT....141 electoral votes. Of the 100 toss ups, only 19 (Nevada and NC) are in the worst economic states, 56 in the middle (Fla, Oh, Co), and 23 (Va, NH, Iowa) are with less than 6% unemployment...and 23 is the number of votes Obama needs as electoral votes sit now at 247-191, 100 tossups. Obama economy weakness doesn't necessarily correllate to electoral vote weakness.

Gonzo
09-29-2012, 02:55 PM
Too many states with the worst economic problems in the nation would not ever switch from Obama to Romney or even just have them dragged into realistic tossup status...Cal, NY, Ill, MI, NJ, CT....141 electoral votes. Of the 100 toss ups, only 19 (Nevada and NC) are in the worst economic states, 56 in the middle (Fla, Oh, Co), and 23 (Va, NH, Iowa) are with less than 6% unemployment...and 23 is the number of votes Obama needs as electoral votes sit now at 247-191. Obama economy weakness doesn't necessarily correllate to electoral vote weakness.
NC has 15, Nevada 6, SC 9, and Georgia has 16, totaling 46. All with unemployment over 9% and all toss ups. Mississippi is above 9% but is safely Romney's IMO. Indiana is sitting at 8.3% and probably a toss up as well. Again, considering it's one of Obama's weakest points, it seems strange to want to focus elsewhere.

Eshlemon
09-29-2012, 05:24 PM
NC has 15, Nevada 6, SC 9, and Georgia has 16, totaling 46. All with unemployment over 9% and all toss ups. Mississippi is above 9% but is safely Romney's IMO. Indiana is sitting at 8.3% and probably a toss up as well. Again, considering it's one of Obama's weakest points, it seems strange to want to focus elsewhere.

I flubbed on the math for NC/Nevada as 19 instead of 21. I usually go by Realclear which doesn't have Georgia, SC, or Indiana as tossups but for Romney. Which interestingly now has Ohio in the blue...265-191, 82 tossups.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Vaark
09-30-2012, 08:59 AM
It's not hard to believe, considering the large gullible ideological factor of the electorate 4 years ago that thought nothing of putting a quitter, jingoistic brainless bimbo within a hearbeat of the potentially oldest president ever with health issue of the office. There are just some morons whose level of intelligence is impossible to insult. The irony is that many of these potential shiny bridge buyers fall within Romney's disdainful "47%."

phinfan3411
09-30-2012, 09:36 AM
It's not hard to believe, considering the large gullible ideological factor of the electorate 4 years ago that thought nothing of putting a quitter, jingoistic brainless bimbo within a hearbeat of the potentially oldest president ever with health issue of the office. There are just some morons whose level of intelligence is impossible to insult. The irony is that many of these potential shiny bridge buyers fall within Romney's disdainful "47%."

The irony is just overflowing in your post, as you insult the perceived intelligence of people "gullible enough" to believe one candidate can be equivalent to yours.


Oh god how i just wish the rest of the country could "get it" just like you do, we would probably be in great shape...oh yeah, that's the problem, you think EXACTLY like the rest of the country.



We're soooo much better off having someone Ralph Nader actually thinks is a bigger war criminal than Bush ! Yes we are sooo lucky those ignoramuses did not get their candidate into office.

Gonzo
09-30-2012, 09:36 AM
I flubbed on the math for NC/Nevada as 19 instead of 21. I usually go by Realclear which doesn't have Georgia, SC, or Indiana as tossups but for Romney. Which interestingly now has Ohio in the blue...265-191, 82 tossups.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Thanks for the link! Last I checked Indiana and SC were still toss ups, but that was a few weeks ago. Georgia was only leaning, which was surprising actually. The "likely" call is probably more accurate. I would probably count Missouri as a toss up as they keep flipping back and forth.

Anyways, Florida and NC are still big if he wants a shot in this. He has a chance at Colorado (9 with 8.2% unemployment), NC (15 with 9.7%) (who Bush was able to win fairly handily), Virginia (13 with good unemployment rates but likely has plenty of interest in the likelihood of war), and Florida (29 with 8.8%). Seems like there is plenty of reason to keep attacking Obama's weak point. I guarantee that those teetering on their vote don't give two ****s about American exceptionalism and other such nonsense and would like to hear actual solutions rather than "I'm not Obama." What is his plan for fixing the economy? What is his plan for after he repeals Obamneycare (which will take him a very long time to do)? Why isn't he pushing these messages and how he's going to fix it?

If he's going to stick with the "I'm not Obama" path, he might want to toss in "I'm not Bush either." (note: I'm not saying he has actually made that statement, just expressing the overall feeling of his campaign from where I sit thinking I might just cast my vote for Bill Clinton or Mickey Mouse)

Vaark
09-30-2012, 10:37 AM
The irony is just overflowing in your post, as you insult the perceived intelligence of people "gullible enough" to believe one candidate can be equivalent to yours.


Oh god how i just wish the rest of the country could "get it" just like you do, we would probably be in great shape...oh yeah, that's the problem, you think EXACTLY like the rest of the country.



We're soooo much better off having someone Ralph Nader actually thinks is a bigger war criminal than Bush ! Yes we are sooo lucky those ignoramuses did not get their candidate into office.

You still have your Palin pom poms? If you think there's a modern day "candidate" as ill qualified as the the half term governor of a state with less voters than plurality the comptroller of nyc got in the last election I have a bridge I can sell you cheap. If putting a big titted, Glen Rice-shtupping, multiple 2nd tier college-attending, ultimately quitting bimbo and feeding jingoistic words into her mouth into the position to be a heartbeat away from the oldest potential president isn't a "**** you" to the electorate, I don't know what is. But keep on keepin on. So long as yer happy, it's bliss :up:

Spesh
09-30-2012, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the link! Last I checked Indiana and SC were still toss ups, but that was a few weeks ago. Georgia was only leaning, which was surprising actually. The "likely" call is probably more accurate. I would probably count Missouri as a toss up as they keep flipping back and forth.

Anyways, Florida and NC are still big if he wants a shot in this. He has a chance at Colorado (9 with 8.2% unemployment), NC (15 with 9.7%) (who Bush was able to win fairly handily), Virginia (13 with good unemployment rates but likely has plenty of interest in the likelihood of war), and Florida (29 with 8.8%). Seems like there is plenty of reason to keep attacking Obama's weak point. I guarantee that those teetering on their vote don't give two ****s about American exceptionalism and other such nonsense and would like to hear actual solutions rather than "I'm not Obama." What is his plan for fixing the economy? What is his plan for after he repeals Obamneycare (which will take him a very long time to do)? Why isn't he pushing these messages and how he's going to fix it?

If he's going to stick with the "I'm not Obama" path, he might want to toss in "I'm not Bush either." (note: I'm not saying he has actually made that statement, just expressing the overall feeling of his campaign from where I sit thinking I might just cast my vote for Bill Clinton or Mickey Mouse)

If Romney doesnt walk away with North Carolina, then his campaign is in worse shape then anyone could imagine. That place swung back to Republicans in a big way. Why the DNC choose that location for its convention is beyond me. While no points should just be given away, it should have been apparent that NC was gone and it would be better to focus on more realistic swing states. Complete miss for them in my opinion.

Florida will make or break the election. That said, unless the debates turn into a massacre(possible), i see it going with Romney.

phinfan3411
09-30-2012, 02:44 PM
You still have your Palin pom poms? If you think there's a modern day "candidate" as ill qualified as the the half term governor of a state with less voters than plurality the comptroller of nyc got in the last election I have a bridge I can sell you cheap. If putting a big titted, Glen Rice-shtupping, multiple 2nd tier college-attending, ultimately quitting bimbo and feeding jingoistic words into her mouth into the position to be a heartbeat away from the oldest potential president isn't a "**** you" to the electorate, I don't know what is. But keep on keepin on. So long as yer happy, it's bliss :up:


No, as I said before, i'm obviously not as evolved as you, i have the crazy idea that whatever candidate either of the two major parties puts up will be two things. One, they will play ball, as they say, and two they will be pretty equally unqualified, harp about Obama's education if you will, how did it help us when he basically let the industry we were trying to reform dictate the legislation during healthcare reform.

I could give two ****s about Palin, another candidate, no better, no worse than say Biden, that would change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

You are the one with the pom poms dude, only candidate i will be cheering for is Gary Johnson.

TruthBeTold
10-01-2012, 10:08 AM
Honestly the real question is where the heck is Obama's plan? Oh that's right he left it on the golf course. It's called raising eveyone's taxes. Complete bust fire the coach and next man in.

phins_4_ever
10-01-2012, 06:33 PM
Honestly the real question is where the heck is Obama's plan? Oh that's right he left it on the golf course. It's called raising eveyone's taxes. Complete bust fire the coach and next man in.

:ponder:

Hey Truth? 3 posts? Are you an altered ego?