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WVDolphan
10-12-2012, 01:22 AM
I cant find the clip. Anyone have it or did anyone see it?

Anyhoo, Will Cain was on the show last week and he gave almost the identical argument I posed to you tree hugging hippies. It was great. I forget the guys name that Maher had on who was supposedly some leading environmentalist.

Cain completely destroyed him. It was great how he didnt dodge the science behind the environmentalists movement. The guy threw a couple of jabs Cain's way which of course had the socialists in the crowd applauding, but Cain still crushed him with logic. My favorite line was "You dont need to put a touiquet around your neck when you get a nosebleed." :lol: Couldnt have said it better. He also destroyed the environmentalist with "Unlike you I have humility and can admit that we dont know whats going to happen in 100 years."

Heres a little clip from the show, the only one I could find. It deals with affirmative action. The environmentalist comes on shortly afterwards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Czj-_Sdmw

SkapePhin
10-12-2012, 08:39 AM
It is hard to comment when you don't even have the clip for us to see, but I always found the argument that "we don't know what will happen, so lets just do nothing!" to be completely asinine.

All I know is this, in a little over 100 years since the industrial revolution began, we have already seen visible signs of environmental destruction and change. A 100 hundred years is a essentially a FART in the vast amount of time that the Earth has been around. And in that FART of time, we have managed to so pollute this planet that due to ozone layer destruction, even FISH are getting SKIN CANCER (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/02/science/la-sci-fish-skin-cancer-20120802). In that FART of time, we have managed to dump so much insoluble plastic into the Ocean that in the Pacific it has even turned into a floating ISLAND of plastic garbage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch) TWICE the size of Hawaii.

The fact is, our use of the environment is not sustainable. We take and take, without giving. We don't live off the land like our ancestors did, we rape the **** out of it. The ecosystem is a balancing act. After living outside of that ecosystem for so long (or so we thought), we have lost sight of how we fit in it.

We might have already reached the tipping point and set the world on a trajectory that will leave us without a habitable home, but even if we haven't why wait until we do before changing our ways? Because some Big Oil bigwig is cashing in on our addiction to oil?

This mentality that we shouldn't act because we don't know for sure is an idiot's mentality. It's like saying "I don't know if I will get cancer, so I will just continue to smoke a pack a day". Its ignorance. Feel free to **** over your own health, but don't expect us to sit idly by and let you take us down with you.

SkapePhin
10-12-2012, 08:58 AM
I found the video. http://grist.org/climate-energy/bill-mckibben-nails-it-on-bill-maher-show-plus-tuesday-afternoon-quarterbacking/

Sorrry, but your boy Will Cain looks like an ignorant dope in this video. So his solution is??? "Don't worry, we will invent something to offset our current destructive behavior!"

That's like saying, "Who cares about murder?? 100 years from now we might be able to bring people back from the dead!"

rob19
10-12-2012, 10:02 AM
As Bill Maher said, "You can stick your head in the sand all you want". Only someone with delusions would think that either of those airheads came out looking good.

Forget 100 years from now, the science is projecting in five to ten years we could start seeing problems. Banking on a super advanced technological miracle invention within the next 10 years is a fool's game.

WVDolphan
10-12-2012, 11:25 AM
Great find on the video Skape, I looked everywhere for that thing.

But, nah. McKibben got destroyed by Cain's logic.

rob19
10-12-2012, 11:37 AM
Great find on the video Skape, I looked everywhere for that thing.

But, nah. McKibben got destroyed by Cain's logic.

Maybe on Bull**** Mountain, not in reality though.

phins_4_ever
10-12-2012, 11:49 AM
Maybe on Bull**** Mountain, not in reality though.

I was thinking the same when I saw that clip. The Stewart quote came into mind instantly.

JamesBW43
10-12-2012, 01:11 PM
A nosebleed won't lead to a neck wound. Aside from the possibility of being a symptom of a greater problem, a nosebleed is an isolated incident.

A changing climate, however, is not isolated and can have a domino effect on all forms of life via the food chain.

Will it be worse 100 years from now just because it's changing? I don't know, but I can't think of any argument to be made that the sudden extinction of a species (sudden, not gradual) can be a good thing for the planet. There would simply be no time for the predators of that species to adapt.

I also have to agree that the "I don't know what we can invent to help because I have humility" line, in no way strengthens his argument. What if we can't invent something to fix it? In fact, I would argue that to assume we will invent something to fix the problem of less fertile soil on the planet is actually the most arrogant argument one could make.

Tetragrammaton
10-12-2012, 01:56 PM
Debt, health care, and foreign policy are irrelevant compared to climate change. The fact that no one is talking about it is killing us.

Statler Waldorf
10-12-2012, 07:13 PM
Debt, health care, and foreign policy are irrelevant compared to climate change. The fact that no one is talking about it is killing us.

Jeeze, you guys are really into this green-scare Kool Aid aren't you? Did the climate never change prior to the industrial revolution? Where's your proof that the climate we are changing from is the climate Earth "should" have? Where's your proof that the climate change is indeed anthropomorphic?

irish fin fan
10-12-2012, 08:50 PM
Jeeze, you guys are really into this green-scare Kool Aid aren't you? Did the climate never change prior to the industrial revolution? Where's your proof that the climate we are changing from is the climate Earth "should" have? Where's your proof that the climate change is indeed anthropomorphic?

Who said it wasn't, who said modern man existed in that warmer climate. Oh wait, I forgot your the tool that thinks that man and dinosaurs existed in the same period. I might as well talk to the wall. i'd get a more intelligent response from the wall than you.

Tetragrammaton
10-13-2012, 11:21 AM
Jeeze, you guys are really into this green-scare Kool Aid aren't you? Did the climate never change prior to the industrial revolution? Where's your proof that the climate we are changing from is the climate Earth "should" have? Where's your proof that the climate change is indeed anthropomorphic?

We live in the easiest time in human history to find information. You don't even have to put on pants. Your homework will not be done for you.

WVDolphan
10-13-2012, 02:54 PM
Jeeze, you guys are really into this green-scare Kool Aid aren't you? Did the climate never change prior to the industrial revolution? Where's your proof that the climate we are changing from is the climate Earth "should" have? Where's your proof that the climate change is indeed anthropomorphic?

Be fair. Dont be one of those people that denies scientific evidence. OJ Simpson has a jury he would like you to serve on. Seriously.

If you want to battle this green movement hysteria, you have to at least be sensable about it and acknowledge FACTS like human beings and their doings do indeed have a slight effect on the planet. That is not debateable. What is debateable is the measures we should take to try and correct these issues and which ones actually make sense in terms of cost feesability vs. actual effectiveness.

irish fin fan
10-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Be fair. Dont be one of those people that denies scientific evidence. OJ Simpson has a jury he would like you to serve on. Seriously.

If you want to battle this green movement hysteria, you have to at least be sensable about it and acknowledge FACTS like human beings and their doings do indeed have a slight effect on the planet. That is not debateable. What is debateable is the measures we should take to try and correct these issues and which ones actually make sense in terms of cost feesability vs. actual effectiveness.

Go the religion forum and see his comments (probably the latest thread) about dinosaurs existing at the same time as man. That's what you are up against.

Statler Waldorf
10-16-2012, 05:26 PM
Who said it wasn't, who said modern man existed in that warmer climate.

So you can’t answer any of my questions?


I might as well talk to the wall. i'd get a more intelligent response from the wall than you.

Haha, so you’re one of those people that over-explains their jokes aren’t you?

“I might as well has Ganghis Kahn as my boss…because he’d be so much nicer…you know because Genghis was really mean, but if I want him as my boss that means that my boss is REALLY mean because you know he’s meaner than even Kahn was who was like the meanest guy in the history of meaness…”


We live in the easiest time in human history to find information. You don't even have to put on pants. Your homework will not be done for you.

So that’s now two people who can’t seem to defend their own position by answering my simple questions…


Be fair. Dont be one of those people that denies scientific evidence. OJ Simpson has a jury he would like you to serve on. Seriously

My degree is in Environmental Science, I have a fair enough grasp on what the supposed evidence is, I just want to see people who actually accept it hook line n’ sinker defend their position for a change.


If you want to battle this green movement hysteria, you have to at least be sensable about it and acknowledge FACTS like human beings and their doings do indeed have a slight effect on the planet. That is not debateable.

The biggest red flag in the world is when someone says an issue is not debatable. What is your proof that humans have any affect whatsoever on the global climate?


Go the religion forum and see his comments (probably the latest thread) about dinosaurs existing at the same time as man. That's what you are up against.

Why do you ALWAYS resort to fallacious reasoning? You’re trying to discredit me by committing the poisoning the well fallacy, me kicking your butt in the religion forum is completely irrelevant to this conversation. Be rational for once in your life! Please!

Locke
10-16-2012, 05:51 PM
:lol::lol::lol:

Your degree is in environmental science? I'm calling bull**** on that. An environmental scientist who denies ice core samples, tree rings, and carbon dating are valid ways to measure the age of the earth? That's like claiming to be a terrorist who loves the U.S. Unbelievable...

Statler Waldorf
10-16-2012, 06:13 PM
Your degree is in environmental science? I'm calling bull**** on that. An environmental scientist who denies ice core samples, tree rings, and carbon dating are valid ways to measure the age of the earth? That's like claiming to be a terrorist who loves the U.S. Unbelievable...

All of this coming from a supposed PhD candidate who doesn’t know what the two biggest peer-reviewed research journals in the WORLD look like? Give me a break lol.

How is tree ring dating a valid way to measure the age of the freaking EARTH? Do you have trees out there with 4.3 billion annual rings? How is carbon dating (something that can only date matter that was once living) a valid way to date the EARTH? Was the Earth once an organic creature that died and began to decompose? How are ice cores a valid way to date the EARTH? Did they first form when the Earth formed? One thing is for sure, you obviously don’t have a degree in any form of science (and I am beginning to doubt you have one in any pseudo-science either) because you have no idea what methods are actually used to date the Earth. You’re nothing more than a hack that got embarrassed by me and now has an ax to grind.

EmperorPhin
10-16-2012, 06:23 PM
I found the video. http://grist.org/climate-energy/bill-mckibben-nails-it-on-bill-maher-show-plus-tuesday-afternoon-quarterbacking/

Sorrry, but your boy Will Cain looks like an ignorant dope in this video. So his solution is??? "Don't worry, we will invent something to offset our current destructive behavior!"

That's like saying, "Who cares about murder?? 100 years from now we might be able to bring people back from the dead!"

Nothing will change until it becomes economically feasible. Like the turn of the century 1900's when everyone got around on horses and horse manure was piling up higher than city land fills today. Every time it rained walking through cities your shoes and pants would be covered in it. people were getting sick from it. Then ford invented the automobile and it became cheaper than having a horse and problem solved itself.

Locke
10-16-2012, 06:31 PM
All of this coming from a supposed PhD candidate who doesn’t know what the two biggest peer-reviewed research journals in the WORLD look like? Give me a break lol.

How is tree ring dating a valid way to measure the age of the freaking EARTH? Do you have trees out there with 4.3 billion annual rings? How is carbon dating (something that can only date matter that was once living) a valid way to date the EARTH? Was the Earth once an organic creature that died and began to decompose? How are ice cores a valid way to date the EARTH? Did they first form when the Earth formed? One thing is for sure, you obviously don’t have a degree in any form of science (and I am beginning to doubt you have one in any pseudo-science either) because you have no idea what methods are actually used to date the Earth. You’re nothing more than a hack that got embarrassed by me and now has an ax to grind.

You can be belligerent all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're a liar. Everyone sees through your shtick. You think you're being clever with your "hurr hurr you dun no wut a siense jurnal is" routine, but no one is paying attention to it. You take outrageous positions, you never provide proof, and then you lie to try and make yourself seem like a better source of information. No one is fooled. Go and click on the Anything Goes thread up on top of the forum, get a good look of what everyone actually thinks of you. I seriously cannot believe someone who claims to be as devout a Christian as you lies so freely and effortlessly. Jesus would be ashamed...

WVDolphan
10-16-2012, 06:31 PM
All of this coming from a supposed PhD candidate who doesn’t know what the two biggest peer-reviewed research journals in the WORLD look like? Give me a break lol.

How is tree ring dating a valid way to measure the age of the freaking EARTH? Do you have trees out there with 4.3 billion annual rings? How is carbon dating (something that can only date matter that was once living) a valid way to date the EARTH? Was the Earth once an organic creature that died and began to decompose? How are ice cores a valid way to date the EARTH? Did they first form when the Earth formed? One thing is for sure, you obviously don’t have a degree in any form of science (and I am beginning to doubt you have one in any pseudo-science either) because you have no idea what methods are actually used to date the Earth. You’re nothing more than a hack that got embarrassed by me and now has an ax to grind.

Wow.

Locke
10-16-2012, 06:34 PM
Wow.

:lol:

Yup, that there is an environmental scientist...

Statler Waldorf
10-16-2012, 06:38 PM
You can be belligerent all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're a liar. Everyone sees through your shtick. You think you're being clever with your "hurr hurr you dun no wut a siense jurnal is" routine, but no one is paying attention to it. You take outrageous positions, you never provide proof, and then you lie to try and make yourself seem like a better source of information. No one is fooled. Go and click on the Anything Goes thread up on top of the forum, get a good look of what everyone actually thinks of you. I seriously cannot believe someone who claims to be as devout a Christian as you lies so freely and effortlessly. Jesus would be ashamed...

You’re just mad because I embarrassed you again, you acted as if I was ignorant because I didn’t know how to date the Earth but then the dating methods you provided had nothing to do with dating the Earth. You’re small time, just admit it.


Wow.

Are you suggesting you in fact can date the Earth with tree rings and carbon dating? I sure hope not, I’ll lose a little bit of respect for you if that’s the case.

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:lol:

Yup, that there is an environmental scientist...

Yup, I know that you can't date the earth with tree rings and CARBON dating, shame on me for knowing a thing or two about my field. :-P