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fisi
10-22-2012, 11:26 PM
Omg!! I am so dissappointed. Romney changed so many times...unbelievble...

Clipse
10-22-2012, 11:41 PM
Not really. Obama was winning most of the debate but then Romney kicked his ass towards the end enough to make it a pretty even debate.

NCFINFAN13
10-23-2012, 12:00 AM
Obama was interested in zingers ... fact check is going to hurt him bad. He was just not truthful on several things in trying to define Romneys' positions and past statements. Romney will get the better of the debate with in a few hours, just like the previous debate. Not counting the first debate which was an obvious blow out.

Locke
10-23-2012, 12:02 AM
Obama was interested in zingers ... fact check is going to hurt him bad. He was just not truthful on several things in trying to define Romneys' positions and past statements. Romney will get the better of the debate with in a few hours, just like the previous debate. Not counting the first debate which was an obvious blow out.

Glad to see objectivity is an art form long forgotten by most people.

Fact check has overwhelmingly blasted Romney up until now. Why would that be any different tonight...?

AdamC13
10-23-2012, 12:10 AM
YEP!!! Romney turned into a big ***** tonight. Talk about flip flopping on his previous positions. He knew his ass was going to kicked on foreign policy so instead of holding true to his past positions he completely agreed with Obama on his foreign policy. Talk about UNTRUSTWORTHY. Obama schooled him big time. The Romney thinks the Navy is like playing Battleship zinger was classic.

In football terms, Romney played prevent defense the entire game. Obama would have outproduced Romnesea 600 yards to 50 and won by a score of 50-3.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 12:22 AM
I only want to know 1 thing: how were the binders?

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 12:23 AM
YEP!!! Romney turned into a big ***** tonight. Talk about flip flopping on his previous positions. He knew his ass was going to kicked on foreign policy so instead of holding true to his past positions he completely agreed with Obama on his foreign policy. Talk about UNTRUSTWORTHY. Obama schooled him big time. The Romney thinks the Navy is like playing Battleship zinger was classic.

In football terms, Romney played prevent defense the entire game. Obama would have outproduced Romnesea 600 yards to 50 and won by a score of 50-3.

I almost spit my cappuccino out when Obama laid in on him....bayonets and horses...:lol:

Abhenne7
10-23-2012, 12:29 AM
Obama schooled Romney? Lol obama was Bull Sh*** talking the whole debate until mitt finally blew him out of the water at the end

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 12:30 AM
President Obama has a pretty rubbish record as president. He won the debate tonight and will probably squeak out a close election. Reminds of 2004, and we ended up with a bum for 4 more years. I can't vote to continue in this direction.

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 12:53 AM
The video of Romney talking about how we're headed to disaster thanks to Obama edited together with Romney constantly agreeing with Obama in this debate should be pretty epic.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 01:27 AM
The video of Romney talking about how we're headed to disaster thanks to Obama edited together with Romney constantly agreeing with Obama in this debate should be pretty epic.

Hopefully obama gets to be president one day! Oh wait... He has been for 4 years. He's running like he's not an incumbent with record that doesn't live up to his own standards. Cut defecit in half? Nope. Close Guantanamo and stop torture? Nope unemployment under 6 percent? Nope. Stop spying on us citizens with the patriot act? Nope. 5 million shovel ready jobs? Nope. And the problem for him is that these were the standards he set for himself. Yikes. That's a vote I'd like to get back if I could. Got caught up in the hype

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 01:29 AM
Hopefully obama gets to be president one day! Oh wait... He has been for 4 years. He's running like he's not an incumbent with record that doesn't live up to his own standards. Cut defecit in half? Nope. Close Guantanamo and stop torture? Nope unemployment under 6 percent? Nope. Stop spying on us citizens with the patriot act? Nope. 5 million shovel ready jobs? Nope. And the problem for him is that these were the standards he set for himself. Yikes. That's a vote I'd like to get back if I could. Got caught up in the hype

Yay! Another post from the RNC Vending Machine.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 01:33 AM
Yay! Another post from the RNC Vending Machine.
In what way? Repeating what he said he was going to do? Unless you think the RNC made him say those things.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 01:52 AM
Hopefully obama gets to be president one day! Oh wait... He has been for 4 years. He's running like he's not an incumbent with record that doesn't live up to his own standards. Cut defecit in half? Nope. Close Guantanamo and stop torture? Nope unemployment under 6 percent? Nope. Stop spying on us citizens with the patriot act? Nope. 5 million shovel ready jobs? Nope. And the problem for him is that these were the standards he set for himself. Yikes. That's a vote I'd like to get back if I could. Got caught up in the hype

....And yet, Romney still looks like the worse candidate.

I imagine over the next 2 weeks this forum is going to be flooded with posts like this. Raging about how evil Obama is and how horrible a President he has been. But all that raging is going to do is serve as a highlight on just how god awful Romney has run his campaign. How truly terrible the candidates the Republican Party fielded were.

Feel free to keep trying to throw old Obama promises in as many peoples faces as you can. Just remember: Romney couldnt convince people that he would do anything different.

Going to have my popcorn ready :chuckle:

Clipse
10-23-2012, 02:28 AM
I almost spit my cappuccino out when Obama laid in on him....bayonets and horses...:lol:

Obama looked equally the fool considering the Marines still use bayonets. :bobdole:

TrojanFin
10-23-2012, 05:35 AM
Romney definitely pulled back during their 3rd debate. Romney came across as a bit bullish during the 2nd debate, so he took a different approach and was much less combative.

I think Romney did a good job trying to paint himself as someone who is pragmatic and not a war-monger like those on the left would believe him to be. He emphasized negotiating with world leaders, and being forward-thinkers and not simply reactionaries.

I think Obama came across as petty and condescending, particularly regarding the "bayonets and horses" comment. According to the pundits, Obama is losing his likability because of such remarks.

I'll admit that Obama sounded good, but substantively it was a lot of empty rhetoric. Many fact checkers give Obama a pass by claiming his statements to be "partially" true, I will not give the man such latitude since I know must of his claims contradict his policies and his decisions as POTUS.

Also, Obama needs to do a better job at defending his policies other than to place blame on the previous Bush administration, or say he is not Romney. Obama was neither not offering solutions nor differentiating himself from Romney throughout much of the debate other than to say that Romney would do what he is doing but be more outspoken about it in regards to foreign policy. Obama is the incumbent, not the challenger, and needs to own his first term. I don't think for a moment that Obama convinced anyone (independent voters) that four more years of him as President is the right direction for this country.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 07:00 AM
One of the biggest Obama supporters before last election was Wayward, and in my opinion he and ferret were the two smartest people on the forum and i respected them for it.

They really told it like it is, i didn't always agree, but i gave them credit.

Ferret will not post in the pofo anymore, wayward is still here and the guy that loved Obama says he has been a terrible president, and i think he is voting for someone else?

Yet we have all these forum voices that still can't seem to understand how people can not think Obama has done such a good job?

Like him, I miss the 2008 forum also...but you guys are great!

Kdawg954
10-23-2012, 07:28 AM
Obama looked equally the fool considering the Marines still use bayonets. :bobdole:

Republicans keep trying to spin this on FOX news . . . it was a clear and clever shot from Obama, why don't they just give him his due.

Obama NEVER said the Marines don't use bayonets anymore . . . he said we use FEWER horses and bayonets in response to Romney's claims of why we need more naval ships (which Obama replied we have aircraft carriers now) and that Romney is behind on the times.

In the end, many Americans will vote on who they think is going to do more for their pocket . . . and that is why Romney has a chance this election. Republicans are going to vote Republican while Democrats will still vote Democrat but how motivated will they be this election. Romney talks a good game on his economic front even though it is quite impressive to think he's going to cut taxes, increase miliatary spending and still cut the defecit . . . that is his goto baby and it definitely has helped him gain momentum in this election.

You could tell people are starting to grow somewhat tired of the same from Romney though (Focus group lines stayed neutral during debate when Romney tried to switch to Economics when normally his Economic talks have been very high). He is very rehearsed and for good reason, Obama said certain things when he got elected and after 4 years we haven't reached those hopes and if I was a candidate I would attack Obama on those fronts as well. Where Romney I think is going to lose alot of people come Election day is . . . as much as we want a better econonmy, is Mitt Romney the guy that is going to provide that and how can a guy that keeps flip flopping on so many situations be the guy I trust with my next 4 years. I think Americans can deal with 4 more years of Obama before dealing with the last 4 years of George Bush.

I will say something about Romney . . . you saw him campaigning last night. He wanted more Naval Ships, Virginia is home to the largest Naval base in the world, Virginia is a swing state. Romney wants to keep Israel close, he knows that Jewish vote means everything in Florida, another swing state. He uses examples from people he met in Ohio in regards to struggling and how "I'll get you a job" line starts, Ohio, the granddaddy prize in the swing states. Mitt may have looked nervous and even lost at times on foreign policy, but I know for a fact he isn't stupid and Democrats shouldn't underestimate his debate last night. He had an agenda. He doesn't need the most votes, he needs the "right" votes.

In the end, I'll say it again . . . if Obama gets the same turnout he had in 2008 in regards to the "amount" of people voting . . . he'll win. If Americans get that attitude of "I don't like either guy, so I won't vote" (this is a Democratic attitude) then Romney (who will get the Republicans to vote) certainly has a shot to win the election. He needs to start kissing up to women though, because I don't think they are too fond of him at all.

Scrap
10-23-2012, 08:20 AM
I think Romney killed Obama with the whole "apology tour" mention. Including when he said he didn't stop in Israel.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 09:09 AM
....And yet, Romney still looks like the worse candidate.

I imagine over the next 2 weeks this forum is going to be flooded with posts like this. Raging about how evil Obama is and how horrible a President he has been. But all that raging is going to do is serve as a highlight on just how god awful Romney has run his campaign. How truly terrible the candidates the Republican Party fielded were.

Feel free to keep trying to throw old Obama promises in as many peoples faces as you can. Just remember: Romney couldnt convince people that he would do anything different.

Going to have my popcorn ready :chuckle:

How does romney being a bad candidate make the president a better one? How does that make up for not fulfilling his own policies. And I wonder how you consider holding him to his own words "raging against the president". Then I saw that you said you were going to have your popcorn ready and I realized this is like a fpotball game to you, and im sure uou have your team obama jersey on. Romney can be a bad candidate at the same time Barack Obama is a bad president. The two things are not dependent on each other. Neither candidate is evil. One has a record as president that hasn't lived up to his own standards. That is not a ragging conservative point. If you can't acknowledge that then you are a homer.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 09:54 AM
One of the biggest Obama supporters before last election was Wayward, and in my opinion he and ferret were the two smartest people on the forum and i respected them for it.

They really told it like it is, i didn't always agree, but i gave them credit.

Ferret will not post in the pofo anymore, wayward is still here and the guy that loved Obama says he has been a terrible president, and i think he is voting for someone else?

Yet we have all these forum voices that still can't seem to understand how people can not think Obama has done such a good job?

Like him, I miss the 2008 forum also...but you guys are great!

He is still the best President since Eisenhower, though.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 10:53 AM
How does romney being a bad candidate make the president a better one? How does that make up for not fulfilling his own policies. And I wonder how you consider holding him to his own words "raging against the president". Then I saw that you said you were going to have your popcorn ready and I realized this is like a fpotball game to you, and im sure uou have your team obama jersey on. Romney can be a bad candidate at the same time Barack Obama is a bad president. The two things are not dependent on each other. Neither candidate is evil. One has a record as president that hasn't lived up to his own standards. That is not a ragging conservative point. If you can't acknowledge that then you are a homer.

So let me see if i have this right:

If i say anything bad about Romney that means im a Obama supporter. But, you know, the candidates arent dependent on each other. Just my criticism of Romney is dependent on being a Obama supporter.

You made that post in joke form, didnt have to work for a laugh in that one. Much appreciated. :lol:

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 10:59 AM
So let me see if i have this right:

If i say anything bad about Romney that means im a Obama supporter. But, you know, the candidates arent dependent on each other. Just my criticism of Romney is dependent on being a Obama supporter.

You made that post in joke form, didnt have to work for a laugh in that one. Much appreciated. :lol:dude, its ok to be an obama supporter, everyone has the right to support whomever they want, but it seems ridiculious to deny that you dont support obama when you have yet to bash obama once yet are constantly bashing romney. again, be an obama supporter you have the right, just like i like romney, but dont deny it.

WVDolphan
10-23-2012, 11:16 AM
He is still the best President since Eisenhower, though.

Get real. He is clearly the worst. I thought there was no way anyone could be worse than Bush, but Obama pulled it off. Youre such a socialist man.

As for this debate, nobody destroyed anybody. They both held each others hands for the most part. The only debate that either had a decisive edge was when Romney punked Obama's ass in debate #1.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 11:25 AM
dude, its ok to be an obama supporter, everyone has the right to support whomever they want, but it seems ridiculious to deny that you dont support obama when you have yet to bash obama once yet are constantly bashing romney. again, be an obama supporter you have the right, just like i like romney, but dont deny it.

I didnt pass an opinion on Obama one way or another in this thread.

And you use my "lack of Obama bashing" as a reason for supporting him. So there is a link between bashing Romney and supporting Obama! One is apparently dependent on the other! You know, except for when you point out how Romney cant convince people his Presidency would be better then Obama's...then theres no link. No link at all, totally not dependent on one another. Just make sure you dont say anything bad about Romney because you turn yourself into an Obama supporter automatically.

If you cant see how amusing Crazyismon(and i suppose your own) stance is and how it flies in the face of his own argument, then i dont know what to tell you. Other then it made me laugh.

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 11:34 AM
I didnt pass an opinion on Obama one way or another in this thread.

And you use my "lack of Obama bashing" as a reason for supporting him. So there is a link between bashing Romney and supporting Obama! One is apparently dependent on the other! You know, except for when you point out how Romney cant convince people his Presidency would be better then Obama's...then theres no link. No link at all, totally not dependent on one another. Just make sure you dont say anything bad about Romney because you turn yourself into an Obama supporter automatically.

If you cant see how amusing Crazyismon(and i suppose your own) stance is and how it flies in the face of his own argument, then i dont know what to tell you. Other then it made me laugh.
again, its clear you are an obama supporter. over the past few months reading this forum, i have always seen you defending obama on many issues, or downplaying stuff, yet when its romney you are always there to bash.

you can tell yourself you are not an obama supporter, just like im sure you prob think chris matthews also isnt an obama supporter lol, but everyone knows who you support. dont pretend your an objective viewer on this and have no side.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Get real. He is clearly the worst. I thought there was no way anyone could be worse than Bush, but Obama pulled it off. Youre such a socialist man.

As for this debate, nobody destroyed anybody. They both held each others hands for the most part. The only debate that either had a decisive edge was when Romney punked Obama's ass in debate #1.

I know I am a socialist. It is why I think Obama is a terrible President.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 11:49 AM
I didnt pass an opinion on Obama one way or another in this thread.

And you use my "lack of Obama bashing" as a reason for supporting him. So there is a link between bashing Romney and supporting Obama! One is apparently dependent on the other! You know, except for when you point out how Romney cant convince people his Presidency would be better then Obama's...then theres no link. No link at all, totally not dependent on one another. Just make sure you dont say anything bad about Romney because you turn yourself into an Obama supporter automatically.

If you cant see how amusing Crazyismon(and i suppose your own) stance is and how it flies in the face of his own argument, then i dont know what to tell you. Other then it made me laugh.


Your taking my "Romney can be a bad candidate at the same time Barack Obama is a bad president." and applying that to multiple arguments. You disagree with that? You think its impossible for Romney to be a bad candidate AND for Obama to be a bad president? That was my point. Your consistent Romney bashing isn't what led me to believe you were an Obama supporter. It was when you said that Romney had failed to convince people any differently and that you were going to enjoy your popcorn. That implied to me that you were going to enjoy yourself whilst Romney failed to get the support of the American people. If I had to guess I'd imagine you were an Obama supporter. That isn't contingent on your Romney bashing. You also haven't denied it. The fact that you think one has to be good and the other bad is such flawed logic its mind numbing. If you read my point it was only that they were independent of each other in that sense. And if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 12:00 PM
again, its clear you are an obama supporter. over the past few months reading this forum, i have always seen you defending obama on many issues, or downplaying stuff, yet when its romney you are always there to bash.

you can tell yourself you are not an obama supporter, just like im sure you prob think chris matthews also isnt an obama supporter lol, but everyone knows who you support. dont pretend your an objective viewer on this and have no side.

Who i plan to vote for(which is to say who i support) is none of your business. It has utterly no relevance and the only reason you bring it up is to try and somehow put me on the defensive. The fact that youve apparently been following my posts for months says more about you then it does me. Then again,(now taking a lesson from your playbook) i suppose i should expect some right winger to care more about ideology than issues or policy.

I didnt call myself a Obama supporter and i didnt say i do not support him. I laughed at someone saying "theres no link between the candidates" only for him to immediately attempt to link my criticism of Romney for support of Obama. Much like you are trying to do. And failing.

Im as biased as everyone else. But i try and focus on the argument instead of the person who is arguing it. I dont always succeed but i dont go out of my way to point the finger. Unlike you, who seems to only be interested in who the person making the argument is and not what they are saying. Enjoy the intrawebz stalking love affair thing you seem to have with my posts though.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 12:08 PM
Your taking my "Romney can be a bad candidate at the same time Barack Obama is a bad president." and applying that to multiple arguments. You disagree with that? You think its impossible for Romney to be a bad candidate AND for Obama to be a bad president? That was my point. Your consistent Romney bashing isn't what led me to believe you were an Obama supporter. It was when you said that Romney had failed to convince people any differently and that you were going to enjoy your popcorn. That implied to me that you were going to enjoy yourself whilst Romney failed to get the support of the American people. If I had to guess I'd imagine you were an Obama supporter. That isn't contingent on your Romney bashing. You also haven't denied it. The fact that you think one has to be good and the other bad is such flawed logic its mind numbing. If you read my point it was only that they were independent of each other in that sense. And if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

I said i was going to enjoy(eat popcorn) the wave of forum post rage that was bound to unfold over the next 2 weeks. Romney already failed to convince people. Thats in the past. Im looking forward to the anger from that. And so far i am enjoying it. :lol:

Oh, and so you made an accusation just so i could deny it? Boy, thats a shocker. Very productive to this conversation. I wonder why you wanted me to make a stance on it, hmmm?

And finally, please quote where i stated one candidate had to be good and the other bad. Please, show me where i made that declaration. Just highlight, copy, and paste.

Locke
10-23-2012, 12:09 PM
I think Romney killed Obama with the whole "apology tour" mention. Including when he said he didn't stop in Israel.

Zingers like that make Republicans happy, but it doesn't do much to affect the Independents one way or another. "Apology tour" was a Fox News term used to rile up the Republican base. Independents, who tend to be more educated than either the Republican or Democrat voting bases, understand that every President goes around the world and meets his fellow leaders when elected. Calling it an "apology tour" was just sour grapes from losing the election way back in 2008. I wouldn't put much stock in talking points like that...

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 12:17 PM
He is still the best President since Eisenhower, though.

I have agreed with you on Eisenhower, clearly the last good president, as to who was the best since...kinda like asking who is the tallest of a group of midgets isn't it?

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 12:23 PM
I said i was going to enjoy(eat popcorn) the wave of forum post rage that was bound to unfold over the next 2 weeks. Romney already failed to convince people. Thats in the past. Im looking forward to the anger from that. And so far i am enjoying it. :lol:

Oh, and so you made an accusation just so i could deny it? Boy, that's a shocker. Very productive to this conversation. I wonder why you wanted me to make a stance on it, hmmm?

And finally, please quote where i stated one candidate had to be good and the other bad. Please, show me where i made that declaration. Just highlight, copy, and paste.

How many arguments are you having?

- You said "posts like this". Implying the post I made was "forum post rage". Not very productive to the conversation I would say. Dismissing any legitimate criticism as "forum post rage" isn't exactly a productive conversation.
"I imagine over the next 2 weeks this forum is going to be flooded with posts like this. Raging about how evil Obama is and how horrible a President he has been." - Spesh

-I didn't make any accusation so you could deny it. I said I guessed you were an Obama voter. I didn't ask who you were voting for.

-You've been mockingly trying to manipulate what I said in pretty much every post you've made in this thread. Something you've failed to do convincingly. I simply said Romney could be a bad candidate and Obama could be a bad president. If you read my point it was only that they were independent of each other in that sense. You've continued on and on sarcastically about " oh look they are not dependent except in this case, etc" When I clearly gave that example. Again not very productive to the conversation.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 12:24 PM
I have agreed with you on Eisenhower, clearly the last good president, as to who was the best since...kinda like asking who is the tallest of a group of midgets isn't it?

There hasn't been a darker time in American Presidential history. Deficits and warmongering are all these guys have done for fifty years.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 12:24 PM
This is the thing I do not understand about this forum, i can't really keep it all straight but I have read where several of you say you support Gary Johnson for President, which is fine, I do too.

Going further though, it seems many people, maybe the same people love to pick on Romney while seemingly ignoring Obama. This is where I do not understand, Romney and Obama are as close to being the same candidate as I can remember, while imo those two could not be any further from Johnson's collective stances if they tried.

I guess i'm trying to figure out how Johnson supporters would ever think just one of the two candidates are deserving of ridicule.

WVDolphan
10-23-2012, 12:30 PM
I know I am a socialist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuBhemD3nk

Spesh
10-23-2012, 12:52 PM
How many arguments are you having?

- You said "posts like this". Implying the post I made was "forum post rage". Not very productive to the conversation I would say. Dismissing any legitimate criticism as "forum post rage" isn't exactly a productive conversation.
"I imagine over the next 2 weeks this forum is going to be flooded with posts like this. Raging about how evil Obama is and how horrible a President he has been." - Spesh

-I didn't make any accusation so you could deny it. I said I guessed you were an Obama voter. I didn't ask who you were voting for.

-You've been mockingly trying to manipulate what I said in pretty much every post you've made in this thread. Something you've failed to do convincingly. I simply said Romney could be a bad candidate and Obama could be a bad president. If you read my point it was only that they were independent of each other in that sense. You've continued on and on sarcastically about " oh look they are not dependent except in this case, etc" When I clearly gave that example. Again not very productive to the conversation.

Sorry, i broke up your block of objections to make it easier to distinguish the different threads of thoughts. I can smash my future posts together if youd like.

Your criticism was directed at promises Obama has failed to live up to. It begun with mockery and drove forward with a list of (i suppose apparent?) failures. By going on a rant about how Obama never lived up to his you indicated how bad of a president he has been. Horrible is another word for bad.

So you just guessed im "an Obama voter for".....what reason? Because, you know, supposedly you werent asking who i was voting for and you supposedly werent making any accusation just so i could deny it. Why did it come up again? If you could fit the word "homer" in your explanation, id appreciate it, that amused me the first time around.

You dont enjoy my mockery? Dont make it so easy. If your going to make posts about "how bad both candidates are" while only talking about how bad one of them is, i would suggest not turning around and accusing someone who points out how poorly a job Romney has done as "wearing an Obama jersey". Naturally, i dont expect you to see the hypocrisy of such an attitude, but nevertheless it amuses me.

Still waiting on that quote saying one has to be good and the other bad. To highlight, you press the left button on the mouse, drag it across the text, then hit the right button on the mouse on the highlighted part. After that, you left click the "copy" button. You clearly know how to make a post, so just make one and click the right mouse button again, then left click on the paste option.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 02:15 PM
Sorry, i broke up your block of objections to make it easier to distinguish the different threads of thoughts. I can smash my future posts together if youd like.

Your criticism was directed at promises Obama has failed to live up to. It begun with mockery and drove forward with a list of (i suppose apparent?) failures. By going on a rant about how Obama never lived up to his you indicated how bad of a president he has been. Horrible is another word for bad.

So you just guessed im "an Obama voter for".....what reason? Because, you know, supposedly you werent asking who i was voting for and you supposedly werent making any accusation just so i could deny it. Why did it come up again? If you could fit the word "homer" in your explanation, id appreciate it, that amused me the first time around.

You dont enjoy my mockery? Dont make it so easy. If your going to make posts about "how bad both candidates are" while only talking about how bad one of them is, i would suggest not turning around and accusing someone who points out how poorly a job Romney has done as "wearing an Obama jersey". Naturally, i dont expect you to see the hypocrisy of such an attitude, but nevertheless it amuses me.

Still waiting on that quote saying one has to be good and the other bad. To highlight, you press the left button on the mouse, drag it across the text, then hit the right button on the mouse on the highlighted part. After that, you left click the "copy" button. You clearly know how to make a post, so just make one and click the right mouse button again, then left click on the paste option.


-You say I went on a "rant". You say posts like that are "forum post rage". The promises aren't "apparent" failures. Guantanamo is open. Unemployment is not below 6 percent. There aren't 5 million shovel ready jobs. I didn't hold him to standards I just made up. I held up him to the things he said he was going to with his own mouth. I hardly consider that a rant. I didn't call him "horrible". This kind of dismissal of any criticism doesn't move conversation forward at all.

-I guessed you were an "Obama voter" based on your posts. Is that weird? Is that not normal? I'm pretty sure any reasonable person would guess you were an Obama voter based on your forum posts. (As some already have). In fact, im not sure why guessing your an Obama supporter is so insulting to you. I use the word "Homer" because you quickly dismiss criticisms as "angry rants" about how "evil" the president is. That tells me you are predisposed to a position. Pretty humorous to me that you keep avoiding the fact that my post was far from an "angry rant about the evil president". I still think you are an Obama voter.

-Hypocrisy? You go light on Obama and hard on Romney, which is fine. Ultimate hypocrisy is saying that I am only talking about how bad one of them is, when that's exactly what you are doing. Odd.

-I fear you confuse your snarky sarcastic comments as somehow being "witty", or based on intelligence. Really it comes off pompous. Also, I'm on an iPad so your instructions were typed out for naught. To copy and paste on an iPad I simply select the text and copy and paste it. If we are requesting quotes then please copy and paste where I asked you to tell me who you were voting for. Copy and paste where I said that I didn't enjoy mockery. Please copy and paste where I went on an angry rant about how he was evil. Please copy and paste where I called him "bad".

Locke
10-23-2012, 02:28 PM
-You say I went on a "rant". You say posts like that are "forum post rage". The promises aren't "apparent" failures. Guantanamo is open. Unemployment is not below 6 percent. There aren't 5 million shovel ready jobs. I didn't hold him to standards I just made up. I held up him to the things he said he was going to with his own mouth. I hardly consider that a rant. I didn't call him "horrible". This kind of dismissal of any criticism doesn't move conversation forward at all.

-I guessed you were an "Obama voter" based on your posts. Is that weird? Is that not normal? I'm pretty sure any reasonable person would guess you were an Obama voter based on your forum posts. (As some already have). In fact, im not sure why guessing your an Obama supporter is so insulting to you. I use the word "Homer" because you quickly dismiss criticisms as "angry rants" about how "evil" the president is. That tells me you are predisposed to a position. Pretty humorous to me that you keep avoiding the fact that my post was far from an "angry rant about the evil president". I still think you are an Obama voter.

-Hypocrisy? You go light on Obama and hard on Romney, which is fine. Ultimate hypocrisy is saying that I am only talking about how bad one of them is, when that's exactly what you are doing. Odd.

-I fear you confuse your snarky sarcastic comments as somehow being "witty", or based on intelligence. Really it comes off pompous. Also, I'm on an iPad so your instructions were typed out for naught. To copy and paste on an iPad I simply select the text and copy and paste it. If we are requesting quotes then please copy and paste where I asked you to tell me who you were voting for. Copy and paste where I said that I didn't enjoy mockery. Please copy and paste where I went on an angry rant about how he was evil. Please copy and paste where I called him "bad".

Just stop. You're digging your hole deeper and not making yourself look any better. Spesh is right, you're accusing him of being an Obama supporter (apparently that's an insult?) because he rips on Romney more than he rips on Obama. That's middle school garbage. If you've been reading this forum like you claim, then you'd know that Spesh has repeatedly said he needs to hear what Romney's plans are and can't vote for him simply because he isn't Obama. You'd also know that he has never gone out of his way to defend the President, outside of calling out the various partisan hacks, such as yourself, who show up and spew nonsense like "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". You live in a black and white world where everyone is either on one side or another. Unfortunately you you and your ilk, the world is mostly gray, which means most people find themselves in that gray area...

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 02:39 PM
Just stop. You're digging your hole deeper and not making yourself look any better. Spesh is right, you're accusing him of being an Obama supporter (apparently that's an insult?) because he rips on Romney more than he rips on Obama. That's middle school garbage. If you've been reading this forum like you claim, then you'd know that Spesh has repeatedly said he needs to hear what Romney's plans are and can't vote for him simply because he isn't Obama. You'd also know that he has never gone out of his way to defend the President, outside of calling out the various partisan hacks, such as yourself, who show up and spew nonsense like "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". You live in a black and white world where everyone is either on one side or another. Unfortunately you you and your ilk, the world is mostly gray, which means most people find themselves in that gray area...

Exactly. Calling murder a worse crime than theft is not an endorsement of theft.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 02:50 PM
Just stop. You're digging your hole deeper and not making yourself look any better. Spesh is right, you're accusing him of being an Obama supporter (apparently that's an insult?) because he rips on Romney more than he rips on Obama. That's middle school garbage. If you've been reading this forum like you claim, then you'd know that Spesh has repeatedly said he needs to hear what Romney's plans are and can't vote for him simply because he isn't Obama. You'd also know that he has never gone out of his way to defend the President, outside of calling out the various partisan hacks, such as yourself, who show up and spew nonsense like "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". You live in a black and white world where everyone is either on one side or another. Unfortunately you you and your ilk, the world is mostly gray, which means most people find themselves in that gray area...

Much appreciated.

edit: did find it hilarious he picked which parts of a sentence to get offended by Statler style. I suspect he was expecting me to defend every single word in my post and not the message is contained. Only thing i take away from this conversation is a desire for an tablet, not a fan of Apple, but i digress.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 02:53 PM
Just stop. You're digging your hole deeper and not making yourself look any better. Spesh is right, you're accusing him of being an Obama supporter (apparently that's an insult?) because he rips on Romney more than he rips on Obama. That's middle school garbage. If you've been reading this forum like you claim, then you'd know that Spesh has repeatedly said he needs to hear what Romney's plans are and can't vote for him simply because he isn't Obama. You'd also know that he has never gone out of his way to defend the President, outside of calling out the various partisan hacks, such as yourself, who show up and spew nonsense like "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". You live in a black and white world where everyone is either on one side or another. Unfortunately you you and your ilk, the world is mostly gray, which means most people find themselves in that gray area...

- Being an Obama supporter is not a bad thing, and I never said it was. Don't know why its being viewed as a insult.
- You call it middle school garbage and then proceed to call me a "partisan hack" just mere sentences later... Talk about not making yourself look any better.
- I suppose merely pointing out things the president hasn't done makes me a partisan hack... Odd...
- You then somehow manage to tie me in with extreme tea party views "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". Yet another middle school tactic.
- I have no clue how you assume to know I live in a "black and white world"
- I have been reading these forums, and I'd venture to say he was an Obama supporter

Locke
10-23-2012, 03:00 PM
- Being an Obama supporter is not a bad thing, and I never said it was. Don't know why its being viewed as a insult.
- You call it middle school garbage and then proceed to call me a "partisan hack" just mere sentences later... Talk about not making yourself look any better.
- I suppose merely pointing out things the president hasn't done makes me a partisan hack... Odd...
- You then somehow manage to tie me in with extreme tea party views "that there Obama is a socialist marxist baby-raping nigerian nipple pincher". Yet another middle school tactic.
- I have no clue how you assume to know I live in a "black and white world"
- I have been reading these forums, and I'd venture to say he was an Obama supporter

Not taking the bait. I'm just calling you out on your garbage. We have several staunch conservatives here that are an absolute pleasure to speak with. It's just a matter of being an adult with how you debate. Accusing someone of taking a position because they rip on one person less than the other is not adult...

Spesh
10-23-2012, 03:01 PM
-I fear you confuse your snarky sarcastic comments as somehow being "witty", or based on intelligence. Really it comes off pompous. Also, I'm on an iPad so your instructions were typed out for naught. To copy and paste on an iPad I simply select the text and copy and paste it. If we are requesting quotes then please copy and paste where I asked you to tell me who you were voting for. Copy and paste where I said that I didn't enjoy mockery. Please copy and paste where I went on an angry rant about how he was evil. Please copy and paste where I called him "bad".


Your taking my "Romney can be a bad candidate at the same time Barack Obama is a bad president." and applying that to multiple arguments. You disagree with that? You think its impossible for Romney to be a bad candidate AND for Obama to be a bad president? That was my point. Your consistent Romney bashing isn't what led me to believe you were an Obama supporter. It was when you said that Romney had failed to convince people any differently and that you were going to enjoy your popcorn. That implied to me that you were going to enjoy yourself whilst Romney failed to get the support of the American people. If I had to guess I'd imagine you were an Obama supporter. That isn't contingent on your Romney bashing. You also haven't denied it. The fact that you think one has to be good and the other bad is such flawed logic its mind numbing. If you read my point it was only that they were independent of each other in that sense. And if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

:chuckle:

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Not taking the bait. I'm just calling you out on your garbage. We have several staunch conservatives here that are an absolute pleasure to speak with. It's just a matter of being an adult with how you debate. Accusing someone of taking a position because they rip on one person less than the other is not adult...

I have to call you out on your garbage. The name calling, and character attacks are just plain uncalled for. You can make points without using those tactics. You jump in and attack me and then say you're not "taking the bait". I've had tons of conversations with liberals/libertarians/conservatives that were enjoyable. None of them used these low brow tactics. I respect those people. You seem like a scary hyper partisan.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 03:51 PM
:chuckle:

I was making the point that its possible for Romney to be a bad candidate at the same time Obama be a bad president. It was an example. To make a point. Using that logic, I also said Romney is a bad candidate, which we would then be an agreement about.
So you highlight only one that you can quote and its me using a hypothetical to make a point... :ponder: YIKES :lol:

Locke
10-23-2012, 04:16 PM
I have to call you out on your garbage. The name calling, and character attacks are just plain uncalled for. You can make points without using those tactics. You jump in and attack me and then say you're not "taking the bait". I've had tons of conversations with liberals/libertarians/conservatives that were enjoyable. None of them used these low brow tactics. I respect those people. You seem like a scary hyper partisan.

:lol:

Now I know you haven't been reading these boards. Too many liars come out of the woodwork during election season. You have some work to do if you want to catch Statler though...

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 04:22 PM
Where are they all coming from? Is it mating season???
:lol:

To get back on topic: Yes, Obama kicked some Romney butt.

DisturbedShifty
10-23-2012, 04:23 PM
We wouldn't have to worry about the size of our military if we just worried about our own borders.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 04:31 PM
:lol:

Now I know you haven't been reading these boards. Too many liars come out of the woodwork during election season. You have some work to do if you want to catch Statler though...

I've been on these boards since 2007. I'm basing this off the low brow insults you were throwing it me. This is the kind of stuff that has this country so divided. These hyper partisan attacks can't go on anymore. It hasn't gotten us anywhere.
:up:

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We wouldn't have to worry about the size of our military if we just worried about our own borders.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Agreed shifty. We've spent too much time fighting abroad and not enough getting things right here

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 04:32 PM
Where are they all coming from? Is it mating season???
:lol:

To get back on topic: Yes, Obama kicked some Romney butt.
is that you chris matthews:lol::lol::lol: obama never loses in your opinion. i didnt need last nights debate, obama has been president for nearly 4 years, ive heard the promises hes made when he came into office that he has not lived up to, last nights debate changed nothing. obama has a record for everyone to look at

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 04:43 PM
is that you chris matthews:lol::lol::lol: obama never loses in your opinion. i didnt need last nights debate, obama has been president for nearly 4 years, ive heard the promises hes made when he came into office that he has not lived up to, last nights debate changed nothing. obama has a record for everyone to look at

And you are not reading well either. I did say that Obama got his *ss handed in the first debate. There is a huge difference between partisan hacks like you and your buddy and normal people: I can admit to weakness and faults. In your world you and your favorite candidate can do never wrong. Recognizing weaknesses and faults and admitting to errors makes you a better person (if you act upon those realizations). You are a Fox sheep - nothing more and nothing less.

Romney has a record as well. Not as President but his other record is nothing to brag about.

I wish I would be Matthews. Making some good dollars. (or was that an attempt of an insult?) :lol:

TrojanFin
10-23-2012, 04:45 PM
So question for all the Progressives on this thread. Romney came after Obama in last night's debate by saying that if we don't intervene and come down hard on Iran that they will surely develop nukes and be a threat both to us and our allies in the region, namely Israel. Obama's response was that we would certainly stop Iran before it got that far.

So if our "faulty" intelligence couldn't prevent an embassy attack (i.e. Benghazi). How can we trust this same intelligence to keep an eye on Iran before they attack us. You can't have it both ways, and use our intelligence community as a scapegoat for why they were slow to respond in Libya, and then say they will be there when we need them to stop Iran. Then the bigger question becomes, how do we stop Iran once they have nuclear capabilities.

Israel is on high alert for a reason. They see their enemies become emboldened, and a lack of intervention by their ally, the United States. The Crusades have never really gone away, it's just the "toys" have gotten more dangerous to play with and the idea is to keep the more fanatical ones from being able to inflict harm.

It's great we got Bin Laden, but there's a lot more work to be done.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 04:48 PM
So question for all the Progressives on this thread. Romney came after Obama in last night's debate by saying that if we don't intervene and come down hard on Iran that they will surely develop nukes and be a threat both to us and our allies in the region, namely Israel. Obama's response was that we would certainly stop Iran before it got that far.

So if our "faulty" intelligence couldn't prevent an embassy attack (i.e. Benghazi). How can we trust this same intelligence to keep an eye on Iran before they attack us. You can't have it both ways, and use our intelligence community as a scapegoat for why they were slow to respond in Libya, and then say they will be there when we need them to stop Iran. Then the bigger question becomes, how do we stop Iran once they have nuclear capabilities.

Israel is on high alert for a reason. They see their enemies become emboldened, and a lack of intervention by their ally, the United States. The Crusades have never really gone away, it's just the "toys" have gotten more dangerous to play with and the idea is to keep the more fanatical ones from being able to inflict harm.

It's great we got Bin Laden, but there's a lot more work to be done.

Be careful I've been name called and attacked personally for having different opinions.

Locke
10-23-2012, 04:52 PM
So question for all the Progressives on this thread. Romney came after Obama in last night's debate by saying that if we don't intervene and come down hard on Iran that they will surely develop nukes and be a threat both to us and our allies in the region, namely Israel. Obama's response was that we would certainly stop Iran before it got that far.

So if our "faulty" intelligence couldn't prevent an embassy attack (i.e. Benghazi). How can we trust this same intelligence to keep an eye on Iran before they attack us. You can't have it both ways, and use our intelligence community as a scapegoat for why they were slow to respond in Libya, and then say they will be there when we need them to stop Iran. Then the bigger question becomes, how do we stop Iran once they have nuclear capabilities.

Israel is on high alert for a reason. They see their enemies become emboldened, and a lack of intervention by their ally, the United States. The Crusades have never really gone away, it's just the "toys" have gotten more dangerous to play with and the idea is to keep the more fanatical ones from being able to inflict harm.

It's great we got Bin Laden, but there's a lot more work to be done.

Or we can just completely butt out and tell Israel to stop picking fights that they can't handle alone. The fact that we're there at all is stupid and moronic. I seriously can't believe an entire nation is supporting a country because of something some book put together thousands of years ago by random people says. Complete and utter stupidity...

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Be careful I've been name called and attacked personally for having different opinions.

Want a tissue...?

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 04:54 PM
So question for all the Progressives on this thread. Romney came after Obama in last night's debate by saying that if we don't intervene and come down hard on Iran that they will surely develop nukes and be a threat both to us and our allies in the region, namely Israel. Obama's response was that we would certainly stop Iran before it got that far.

So if our "faulty" intelligence couldn't prevent an embassy attack (i.e. Benghazi). How can we trust this same intelligence to keep an eye on Iran before they attack us. You can't have it both ways, and use our intelligence community as a scapegoat for why they were slow to respond in Libya, and then say they will be there when we need them to stop Iran. Then the bigger question becomes, how do we stop Iran once they have nuclear capabilities.

Israel is on high alert for a reason. They see their enemies become emboldened, and a lack of intervention by their ally, the United States. The Crusades have never really gone away, it's just the "toys" have gotten more dangerous to play with and the idea is to keep the more fanatical ones from being able to inflict harm.

It's great we got Bin Laden, but there's a lot more work to be done.

Well, pardon me for answering a question with a question but what exactly would you be doing about Iran or think should be done? Bomb them? Invade them? Ask them to stop with the nukes but sort of phrase it differently?

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 04:57 PM
"Want a tissue?"

Now it's venturing into cyber bullying. Not surprising. Lets see how low things can go.

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 04:58 PM
And you are not reading well either. I did say that Obama got his *ss handed in the first debate. There is a huge difference between partisan hacks like you and your buddy and normal people: I can admit to weakness and faults. In your world you and your favorite candidate can do never wrong. Recognizing weaknesses and faults and admitting to errors makes you a better person (if you act upon those realizations). You are a Fox sheep - nothing more and nothing less.

Romney has a record as well. Not as President but his other record is nothing to brag about.

I wish I would be Matthews. Making some good dollars. (or was that an attempt of an insult?) :lol:the insult had nothing to do with the money he makes. its just that he can admit no wrong doing by obama whatsoever and said when obama was elected into office back in 2008 that he got a tingling feeling up his leg, something that obama even mocked him for at that dinner in NYC this past thursday.

Locke
10-23-2012, 04:59 PM
"Want a tissue?"

Now it's venturing into cyber bullying. Not surprising. Lets see how low things can go.

Cyber bullying? My bad, I didn't know the PoFo was a made-for-TV ABC Family flick. I'll make sure you validated for acting childish from now on. Hey man, I like the way you acted like a middle-schooler back there. Totally awesome. Can't wait to see the next zinger from 1987...

JackFinfan
10-23-2012, 05:04 PM
So question for all the Progressives on this thread. Romney came after Obama in last night's debate by saying that if we don't intervene and come down hard on Iran that they will surely develop nukes and be a threat both to us and our allies in the region, namely Israel. Obama's response was that we would certainly stop Iran before it got that far.

So if our "faulty" intelligence couldn't prevent an embassy attack (i.e. Benghazi). How can we trust this same intelligence to keep an eye on Iran before they attack us. You can't have it both ways, and use our intelligence community as a scapegoat for why they were slow to respond in Libya, and then say they will be there when we need them to stop Iran. Then the bigger question becomes, how do we stop Iran once they have nuclear capabilities.

Israel is on high alert for a reason. They see their enemies become emboldened, and a lack of intervention by their ally, the United States. The Crusades have never really gone away, it's just the "toys" have gotten more dangerous to play with and the idea is to keep the more fanatical ones from being able to inflict harm.

It's great we got Bin Laden, but there's a lot more work to be done.

Romney basically agreed with 80% of the policies/decisions that Obama has/has done, which includes Iran. To quote Bill Maher, Romney's strat was I'll do everything Obama does but I'll yell louder.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 05:07 PM
Cyber bullying? My bad, I didn't know the PoFo was a made-for-TV ABC Family flick. I'll make sure you validated for acting childish from now on. Hey man, I like the way you acted like a middle-schooler back there. Totally awesome. Can't wait to see the next zinger from 1987...

He just can't stop. The anger, the mud slinging, the attacks. The childish behavior. It just won't stop.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 05:13 PM
President Obama has a pretty rubbish record as president. He won the debate tonight and will probably squeak out a close election. Reminds of 2004, and we ended up with a bum for 4 more years. I can't vote to continue in this direction.

I could be wrong, but based on this post from Crazysimon, it doesn't sound like he is a partisan right wing hack.

Crazysimon, do not make me look like an idiot ( i can do that all by myself ).

If he is an independent thinker, we need MORE OF HIM, not more partisans, leave him alone.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Hopefully obama gets to be president one day! Oh wait... He has been for 4 years. He's running like he's not an incumbent with record that doesn't live up to his own standards. Cut defecit in half? Nope. Close Guantanamo and stop torture? Nope unemployment under 6 percent? Nope. Stop spying on us citizens with the patriot act? Nope. 5 million shovel ready jobs? Nope. And the problem for him is that these were the standards he set for himself. Yikes. That's a vote I'd like to get back if I could. Got caught up in the hype

Again, his next post, please crazysimon tell me if you are just a partisan right winger, and i will not waste my time.

Is there anything he said here as an INDEPENDENT, that is not true?

Is Obama beyond reproach?

But he gets attacked by a bunch of guys that aren't sold on Obama...makes sense.

Locke
10-23-2012, 05:20 PM
I could be wrong, but based on this post from Crazysimon, it doesn't sound like he is a partisan right wing hack.

Crazysimon, do not make me look like an idiot ( i can do that all by myself ).

If he is an independent thinker, we need MORE OF HIM, not more partisans, leave him alone.

Did you see earlier in the thread where he accused Spesh of being an Obama supporter because he called out Romney more often than he did Obama? Or where he straw-manned the crap out of everything everyone was saying? Partisan or not, he was acting like a child, and he continues to do so. I have no problem talking with intelligent conservatives, such as yourself. No one should have patience for his shtick though...

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 05:23 PM
the insult had nothing to do with the money he makes. its just that he can admit no wrong doing by obama whatsoever and said when obama was elected into office back in 2008 that he got a tingling feeling up his leg, something that obama even mocked him for at that dinner in NYC this past thursday.

So what if he got a tingling feeling up his leg. Mocking? That dinner is supposed to be funny. He didn't mock the tingling feeling. He said that in 2008 I gave Matthes a tingling feeling and this year I give him a heart attack.
While Mathews is an Obama supporter he critizised him plenty of times. The left and liberals in general have no problems critisizing when it is warranted. Something unheard of on the right. No matter how bad the policy we will ram it through. No matter how many lies we will go to war in Iraq.

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 05:26 PM
So what if he got a tingling feeling up his leg. Mocking? That dinner is supposed to be funny. He didn't mock the tingling feeling. He said that in 2008 I gave Matthes a tingling feeling and this year I give him a heart attack.
While Mathews is an Obama supporter he critizised him plenty of times. The left and liberals in general have no problems critisizing when it is warranted. Something unheard of on the right. No matter how bad the policy we will ram it through. No matter how many lies we will go to war in Iraq.:lol::lol::lol::lol: are you really ****ing defending a grown man, one who is a ****ing reporter for saying '' i got a tingling feeling up my right leg when obama was elected''? do you know how ****ing gay that is.

also, ya ur right chris matthews has criticized obama plenty, lol get real. if u want to say fox news is right wing bias, no one will argue, but please dont ****ing make it seem like msnbc with people such as chris matthews are totally objective, and criticize when need be. ive watched both sides, and they are both bias towards there parties, dont make it seem one side is objective and one isnt. they both are not for the most part.

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 05:27 PM
I could be wrong, but based on this post from Crazysimon, it doesn't sound like he is a partisan right wing hack.

Crazysimon, do not make me look like an idiot ( i can do that all by myself ).

If he is an independent thinker, we need MORE OF HIM, not more partisans, leave him alone.

I don't put any money on anybody from the right who said they didn't vote for that bum in 2004. He sure did. Almost every Republican I know 'did not vote Bush' in 2004. Yeah hindsight is good. Let's distance ourselve from the crap he left us with.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 05:31 PM
I don't put any money on anybody from the right who said they didn't vote for that bum in 2004. He sure did. Almost every Republican I know 'did not vote Bush' in 2004. Yeah hindsight is good. Let's distance ourselve from the crap he left us with.


I voted for Bush in 2004, i have no problem owning up to my mistakes, wish i could change it, but i can't.

I'm not really sure what the other war monger would have done to better things, but that is a different story.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 05:33 PM
I don't put any money on anybody from the right who said they didn't vote for that bum in 2004. He sure did. Almost every Republican I know 'did not vote Bush' in 2004. Yeah hindsight is good. Let's distance ourselve from the crap he left us with.
I haven't said ANYTHING about who I've voted for. You have absolutely no clue who I've voted for at any point in my life. These are the childish games I'm talking about.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Did you see earlier in the thread where he accused Spesh of being an Obama supporter because he called out Romney more often than he did Obama? Or where he straw-manned the crap out of everything everyone was saying? Partisan or not, he was acting like a child, and he continues to do so. I have no problem talking with intelligent conservatives, such as yourself. No one should have patience for his shtick though...

Pleae go back and look how you literally jumped in and threw insults and name called. Anybody can go back and see who has been acting childish. You equivocate me saying "I think you're an obama voter" to name calling and childish games?

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 05:38 PM
:lol::lol::lol::lol: are you really ****ing defending a grown man, one who is a ****ing reporter for saying '' i got a tingling feeling up my right leg when obama was elected''? do you know how ****ing gay that is.

also, ya ur right chris matthews has criticized obama plenty, lol get real. if u want to say fox news is right wing bias, no one will argue, but please dont ****ing make it seem like msnbc with people such as chris matthews are totally objective, and criticize when need be. ive watched both sides, and they are both bias towards there parties, dont make it seem one side is objective and one isnt. they both are not for the most part.

Huh? I don't give a crap if someone has a tingling feeling up his leg for whatever. And I didn't defend a tingling feeling either. I said "so what" and I corrected you on the quote from Obama.
Can you not read and comprehend? What is wrong with you people?
And yes Matthews critisizes Obama. You should have seen him after the first debate. But honestly you wouldn't know anything about Matthews. You probably never watched him. It is ironic that you mention him today for the first time ever. It is ironic because he was front page news today on Foxnews.com and on Fox News.

phinfan3411
10-23-2012, 05:40 PM
Did you see earlier in the thread where he accused Spesh of being an Obama supporter because he called out Romney more often than he did Obama? Or where he straw-manned the crap out of everything everyone was saying? Partisan or not, he was acting like a child, and he continues to do so. I have no problem talking with intelligent conservatives, such as yourself. No one should have patience for his shtick though...


I don't think you could call me a conservative with my feelings on abortion, gay rights, and religion.

I used to mistakenly align myself with the republican party because i thought it was supposed to stand for small government, personal freedoms and fiscal responsibility.

I have only really paid attention to politics for about 10 years, so have patience, i've come a long way in that time.

I usually classify myself as independent, i guess maybe the old school version of liberal would also apply, maybe with a little libertarian sprinkled in.

Locke
10-23-2012, 05:44 PM
I voted for Bush in 2004, i have no problem owning up to my mistakes, wish i could change it, but i can't.

I'm not really sure what the other war monger would have done to better things, but that is a different story.

I don't think Kerry would have been a very good President anyways. Guy flip-flopped almost as much as Romney has been. No one knew what his actual positions were. Gore in 2000 would have been game-changing though. There was no way Big Oil was going to let him get elected, though...

Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:03 PM
I was making the point that its possible for Romney to be a bad candidate at the same time Obama be a bad president. It was an example. To make a point. Using that logic, I also said Romney is a bad candidate, which we would then be an agreement about.
So you highlight only one that you can quote and its me using a hypothetical to make a point... :ponder: YIKES :lol:

Oh, so you did in fact write it. Now that you got busted you are trying to change the entire conversation. If i can sum up our exchange in a sentence, it would be that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

Still waiting on that "good candidate/bad candidate" quote though :lol:

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 06:09 PM
Huh? I don't give a crap if someone has a tingling feeling up his leg for whatever. And I didn't defend a tingling feeling either. I said "so what" and I corrected you on the quote from Obama.
Can you not read and comprehend? What is wrong with you people?
And yes Matthews critisizes Obama. You should have seen him after the first debate. But honestly you wouldn't know anything about Matthews. You probably never watched him. It is ironic that you mention him today for the first time ever. It is ironic because he was front page news today on Foxnews.com and on Fox News.yup exactly today was the 1st time i ever heard of him bc it was on my homepage website foxnews, lol get real.

also, chris matthews as well as everyone else on msnbc is as far from objective as u can be. bringing up a 1 time thing when he criticized obama after a night in which even the biggest blowhard obama supporters couldnt defend him does not really matter.

overall he is as biased as can be, along with others like rachel maddow, etc.

im done arguing with u, ive seen ur views more than enough, u cant admit any fault in obama or anything having to do with the left side, its ok, when u love something so much ur going to defend it, like i love the dolphins, as do 99 percent of the people on this board, it takes a lot for many people to actually criticize them because we love them so much. same scenario here, when you are on 1 side, you are going to be biased towards it. ill admit i am also, so its just not worth going back and forth because its going nowhere.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:09 PM
the insult had nothing to do with the money he makes. its just that he can admit no wrong doing by obama whatsoever and said when obama was elected into office back in 2008 that he got a tingling feeling up his leg, something that obama even mocked him for at that dinner in NYC this past thursday.

Clearly the real 'Merican attitude should be to admit Obama has done no good.

Romney 2012!

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 06:11 PM
Clearly the real 'Merican attitude should be to admit Obama has done no good.

Romney 2012!
na **** that, obama 2012, hes done such a great job, i want another 4 years of this. he deffinetly deserves it

Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:17 PM
na **** that, obama 2012, hes done such a great job, i want another 4 years of this. he deffinetly deserves it

Clearly. I mean, if he had done a bad job Romney would be able to tell people how he would do things different. As that never happened, i suppose we should all follow your example and declare our intent to vote for Obama.

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 06:21 PM
Clearly. I mean, if he had done a bad job Romney would be able to tell people how he would do things different. As that never happened, i suppose we should all follow your example and declare our intent to vote for Obama.
go ahead, i mean why would someone not vote for obama, they'd have to be on some major drugs to vote otherwise.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 06:28 PM
Oh, so you did in fact write it. Now that you got busted you are trying to change the entire conversation. If i can sum up our exchange in a sentence, it would be that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

Still waiting on that "good candidate/bad candidate" quote though :lol:

look at these typical childish tactics. Hyper partisan spin. Come down from your pedestal. It's condescending and childish. It's time to rise above these partisan attacks. We are too divided.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:28 PM
go ahead, i mean why would someone not vote for obama, they'd have to be on some major drugs to vote otherwise.

Oh, in that case what drugs are you taking?

And by the way, i have no doubt you think that was clever, but Rob is probably going to blow up your post with a PHD thesis level rebuttal on drug use. Or so i hope, it will be amusing for me.

tylerdolphin
10-23-2012, 06:29 PM
What is the blue **** is going on here the last few pages?

Ilovemyfins4eva
10-23-2012, 06:30 PM
Oh, in that case what drugs are you taking?

And by the way, i have no doubt you think that was clever, but Rob is probably going to blow up your post with a PHD level rebuttal on drug use. Or so i hope, it will be amusing for me.
go ahead, i can care less. if it makes u laugh, go for it

Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:46 PM
look at these typical childish tactics. Hyper partisan spin. Come down from your pedestal. It's condescending and childish. It's time to rise above these partisan attacks. We are too divided.

You straight up dont understand what "partisan" means, huh?

I suspect thats where our disagreement came from. Your just throwing words around that you have no idea what they mean.

At least we come full circle. It started with you declaring im a supporter of a certain political figure and its now ending because, as youve shown you cannot back up your accusations, you declare im hyperpartisan. Amusing while it lasted.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 07:15 PM
You straight up dont understand what "partisan" means, huh?

I suspect thats where our disagreement came from. Your just throwing words around that you have no idea what they mean.

At least we come full circle. It started with you declaring im a supporter of a certain political figure and its now ending because, as youve shown you cannot back up your accusations, you declare im hyperpartisan. Amusing while it lasted.


Thats what you resort to now? That I don't know what partisan means? It means you are partial to a party. Look at how low you have to stoop? If you look at my first post and then your response you would see this ended long ago. You responded by calling me "rage posting against evil obama". Those are your partisan tactics. You dodge and use immature childish tactics. Its so obvious. It's time to rise above all this anger and hate that you have. This is the kind of stuff that has this country so divided. The name calling and put downs have to stop

DisturbedShifty
10-23-2012, 07:17 PM
go ahead, i mean why would someone not vote for obama, they'd have to be on some major drugs to vote otherwise.

I voted for Ron Paul... No. Seriously, I did. And I ain't on no drugs.

Partisan

1 : a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance
2 a : a member of a body of detached light troops making forays and harassing an enemy
b : a member of a guerrilla band operating within enemy lines my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Dolphins9954
10-23-2012, 07:20 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Spesh
10-23-2012, 07:34 PM
Thats what you resort to now? That I don't know what partisan means? It means you are partial to a party. Look at how low you have to stoop? If you look at my first post and then your response you would see this ended long ago. You responded by calling me "rage posting against evil obama". Those are your partisan tactics. You dodge and use immature childish tactics. Its so obvious. It's time to rise above all this anger and hate that you have. This is the kind of stuff that has this country so divided. The name calling and put downs have to stop

Still waiting on that "good/bad" candidate thing. Also love how, after being shown to be completely wrong, you keep trying to accuse me of "partisan tactics". On top of the candidate quote, please show me where i supported either candidate. Please show me where i stated who i was voting for.

Me and my anger/hate are on good terms though, thanks for the concern.

And thanks Shifty. Its clear Crazysimon didnt understand the definition although he clearly went to look it up before you posted. Asking for a supposed quote is now partisanship. Now, putting words in another persons mouth does have history in politics.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 08:03 PM
Still waiting on that "good/bad" candidate thing. Also love how, after being shown to be completely wrong, you keep trying to accuse me of "partisan tactics". On top of the candidate quote, please show me where i supported either candidate. Please show me where i stated who i was voting for.

Me and my anger/hate are on good terms though, thanks for the concern.

And thanks Shifty. Its clear Crazysimon didnt understand the definition although he clearly went to look it up before you posted. Asking for a supposed quote is now partisanship. Now, putting words in another persons mouth does have history in politics.

Proven wrong? Do you remember how you responded to my first post? You said it's was a rage post. You didn't prove anything wrong. You simply dismissed it as some sort of angry rant, which it clearly wasn't. You have zero clue as to what you are talking about. You don't have to get so upset and stoop to name calling and personal attacks. All you have done is attempt to belittle and ignore some very reasonable points such as : Guantanamo still being open, phone tapping/spying on us citizens, unemployment above 6 percent, no 5 million shovel ready jobs. You classified that as an angry rant ?? You have to learn how to have a conversation without restoring to these childish tactics. It's okay if someone brings up some of the presidents failings. At some point people have to not get so worked up and resort to name calling etc. You seem like you might be an intelligent guy so why constantly resort to these distraction tactics and name calling? We can be better than that.

Crazysimon
10-23-2012, 08:08 PM
I voted for Ron Paul... No. Seriously, I did. And I ain't on no drugs.

Partisan

1 : a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance
2 a : a member of a body of detached light troops making forays and harassing an enemy
b : a member of a guerrilla band operating within enemy lines my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Johnson's my guy November 6th.