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BAMAPHIN 22
10-23-2012, 12:31 PM
president barack obama mocked republican presidential nominee mitt romney on monday for his repeated attack over the size of the navy, which he has said proves the president doesn't prioritize national defense.
"you mention the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets," obama said during the final presidential debate.
"we have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."
"it's not a game of battleship where we're counting ships, it's 'what are our capabilities?'" he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/obama-horses-bayonets_n_2003948.html

Spesh
10-23-2012, 01:05 PM
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Damn i love the internet.

Spesh
10-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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Statler Waldorf
10-23-2012, 03:49 PM
Obama took what is a serious problem, the fact our Navy wants more equipment and cannot get it, and turned it into some childish joke about horses, the man has a lot of growing up to do. He’s going to lose, and lose big in November and this sort of petty stuff isn’t helping him with independent voters in the slightest, he’s done for.

TrojanFin
10-23-2012, 04:18 PM
I see what Obama is trying to do. He's trying to help the economy by coming up with fodder to put on t-shirts. If we sell enough t-shirts as a country, maybe then we dig ourselves out of debt and onto a glorious and prosperous future.

Get real.

Obama's 2012 campaign has just been creating one meme after another in hopes of deflecting any criticism concerning his administration and its short comings. The "hilarious" pictures posted previously on this thread prove what a joke Obama has been when this is the best he has, and offers no real substantive solutions.

Maybe Obama can get a job in TV making snarky remarks about internet videos (ala Daniel Tosh) when he loses in November.

He could take over where Colbert left off on the daily show and make quips on the Daily Show as their new reporter.

Perhaps a late night talk show where he can tease and poke fun at his guests like Honey Boo Boo.

These are all jobs better suited for Obama than being POTUS since he is clearly out of his depth.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 04:30 PM
When someone calls a Harvard graduate out of their depth to be President, they are either being racist or partisan.

JackFinfan
10-23-2012, 04:55 PM
Obama took what is a serious problem, the fact our Navy wants more equipment and cannot get it, and turned it into some childish joke about horses, the man has a lot of growing up to do. He’s going to lose, and lose big in November and this sort of petty stuff isn’t helping him with independent voters in the slightest, he’s done for.

Obama has said numerous times that the Navy has not asked for the extra ships that Romney has proposed making. I haven't seen a fact check on it, but Romney has never refuted that point, and Obama has said it at least 3/4 times to him directly. So, I'm going to assume that there's some truth to Obama's statement. After he made the horses joke, he did make a great point. We no longer should judge our Navy's strength by how many ships we have. Just be honest Waldorf, if Romney would have made that joke, you would have laughed your @$$ off, but because Obama said it, he is "childish." It's sad when someone is so partisan that they can't even appreciate a good joke because the guy on the other side made it.

Statler Waldorf
10-23-2012, 05:15 PM
Obama has said numerous times that the Navy has not asked for the extra ships that Romney has proposed making. I haven't seen a fact check on it, but Romney has never refuted that point, and Obama has said it at least 3/4 times to him directly. So, I'm going to assume that there's some truth to Obama's statement. After he made the horses joke, he did make a great point. We no longer should judge our Navy's strength by how many ships we have. Just be honest Waldorf, if Romney would have made that joke, you would have laughed your @$$ off, but because Obama said it, he is "childish." It's sad when someone is so partisan that they can't even appreciate a good joke because the guy on the other side made it.

You really think Obama would tell us if the Navy in fact did want more ships? He knows they have to agree with whatever he says and cannot call him out because he is their Commander in Chief. I don't think Romney is just wanting to build more ships for the heck of it, it's obvious there is in fact a real need there, a strong Navy is crucial.

Gonzo
10-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Obama took what is a serious problem, the fact our Navy wants more equipment and cannot get it, and turned it into some childish joke about horses, the man has a lot of growing up to do. Heís going to lose, and lose big in November and this sort of petty stuff isnít helping him with independent voters in the slightest, heís done for.

It helps with me. I fully support not increasing our debt further with more defense spending, war, and death. Now if only he could convince me that he doesn't support these things, he might have my vote. He can't, and neither can Romney.

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TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 05:28 PM
You really think Obama would tell us if the Navy in fact did want more ships? He knows they have to agree with whatever he says and cannot call him out because he is their Commander in Chief. I don't think Romney is just wanting to build more ships for the heck of it, it's obvious there is in fact a real need there, a strong Navy is crucial.

How it is obvious?

JackFinfan
10-23-2012, 05:29 PM
You really think Obama would tell us if the Navy in fact did want more ships? He knows they have to agree with whatever he says and cannot call him out because he is their Commander in Chief. I don't think Romney is just wanting to build more ships for the heck of it, it's obvious there is in fact a real need there, a strong Navy is crucial.

The armed forces are not shy to say when they need or don't need things. Remember under Bush when there was a big issue with the trucks not having enough plating on them. The army wasn't shy about asking for better armor on its vehicles was it? If the Navy was in desperate need for more ships they would have said so.

You don't think a politician (Dem or Rep) would propose to do some militarily for political reasons instead of strategic reasons? C'mon man, not even a partisan hack like you can sincerely believe that.

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 05:45 PM
Obama took what is a serious problem, the fact our Navy wants more equipment and cannot get it, and turned it into some childish joke about horses, the man has a lot of growing up to do. He’s going to lose, and lose big in November and this sort of petty stuff isn’t helping him with independent voters in the slightest, he’s done for.

The Navy does not want more ships. It was a good joke. I loved it.

The reason we need less ships is because technology through science has advanced. But you don't believe in science anyways. Maybe you should ask Romney if he can add 300 Arcs to our fleet.
We will see in November.

Gonzo
10-23-2012, 06:11 PM
The Navy does not want more ships. It was a good joke. I loved it.

The reason we need less ships is because technology through science has advanced. But you don't believe in science anyways. Maybe you should ask Romney if he can add 300 Arcs to our fleet.
We will see in November.

Unless it's some pseudo-science that he believes supports his view on abortion; then he has no problem with it.

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tylerdolphin
10-23-2012, 06:16 PM
You really think Obama would tell us if the Navy in fact did want more ships? He knows they have to agree with whatever he says and cannot call him out because he is their Commander in Chief. I don't think Romney is just wanting to build more ships for the heck of it, it's obvious there is in fact a real need there, a strong Navy is crucial.

So basically the Navy hasnt said they need new ships, but you and Romney know they do because...well, just because you know they do.

JackFinfan
10-23-2012, 06:43 PM
So basically the Navy hasnt said they need new ships, but you and Romney know they do because...well, just because you know they do.

Cmon Tyler, why would he lie about how many ships the Navy needs?

Gonzo
10-23-2012, 06:43 PM
So basically the Navy hasnt said they need new ships, but you and Romney know they do because...well, just because you know they do.

No, probably because Romney's investments in ship building companies (whether directly or via campaign contributions) says they do.

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Spesh
10-23-2012, 06:51 PM
I see what Obama is trying to do. He's trying to help the economy by coming up with fodder to put on t-shirts. If we sell enough t-shirts as a country, maybe then we dig ourselves out of debt and onto a glorious and prosperous future.

Get real.

Obama's 2012 campaign has just been creating one meme after another in hopes of deflecting any criticism concerning his administration and its short comings. The "hilarious" pictures posted previously on this thread prove what a joke Obama has been when this is the best he has, and offers no real substantive solutions.

Maybe Obama can get a job in TV making snarky remarks about internet videos (ala Daniel Tosh) when he loses in November.

He could take over where Colbert left off on the daily show and make quips on the Daily Show as their new reporter.

Perhaps a late night talk show where he can tease and poke fun at his guests like Honey Boo Boo.

These are all jobs better suited for Obama than being POTUS since he is clearly out of his depth.

The "DISTRACTION!" claims always crack me up.

Because, you know, the declarations of Obama being a socialist, muslim, Keynan born, dog eating nazi were essential to our political decision making process.

jared81
10-23-2012, 07:12 PM
I see what Obama is trying to do. He's trying to help the economy by coming up with fodder to put on t-shirts. If we sell enough t-shirts as a country, maybe then we dig ourselves out of debt and onto a glorious and prosperous future.

Get real.

Obama's 2012 campaign has just been creating one meme after another in hopes of deflecting any criticism concerning his administration and its short comings. The "hilarious" pictures posted previously on this thread prove what a joke Obama has been when this is the best he has, and offers no real substantive solutions.

Maybe Obama can get a job in TV making snarky remarks about internet videos (ala Daniel Tosh) when he loses in November.

He could take over where Colbert left off on the daily show and make quips on the Daily Show as their new reporter.

Perhaps a late night talk show where he can tease and poke fun at his guests like Honey Boo Boo.

These are all jobs better suited for Obama than being POTUS since he is clearly out of his depth.


wait....the daily show is a great hard news show. Says every college douche liberal.

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 07:16 PM
When someone calls a Harvard graduate out of their depth to be President, they are either being racist or partisan.

Can't say I agree with this. Am I an anti-semite if I say I don't think Natalie Portman is qualified to be president?

jared81
10-23-2012, 07:16 PM
When someone calls a Harvard graduate out of their depth to be President, they are either being racist or partisan.

Is this a joke? So every minority graduate from Harvard is qualified to be president? The debates have shown me one thing. Romney is smarter than Obama, and its very apparent. I still don't like either candidate (even though I will vote for Romney just to get Obama out of office). Going into the debates I wasn't sure how Romney would fair in a debate. But after the past month I believe Obama even knows he's been outsmarted by Romney.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 08:17 PM
Is this a joke? So every minority graduate from Harvard is qualified to be president? The debates have shown me one thing. Romney is smarter than Obama, and its very apparent. I still don't like either candidate (even though I will vote for Romney just to get Obama out of office). Going into the debates I wasn't sure how Romney would fair in a debate. But after the past month I believe Obama even knows he's been outsmarted by Romney.

Obama is qualified to be President using the criteria people usually use. Many Republican groups use code to make the argument that he is unqualified via race.

jared81
10-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Obama is qualified to be President using the criteria people usually use. Many Republican groups use code to make the argument that he is unqualified via race.

what code? Please elaborate. Obama was a first term senator with no real job experience. What you call code, I call playing politics. I think you are a little too sensitive.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 08:42 PM
what code? Please elaborate. Obama was a first term senator with no real job experience. What you call code, I call playing politics. I think you are a little too sensitive.

Obama has been President for four years. By that definition, he is the most qualified person to be President.

You know what code I am talking about. Obama was born in Kenya, he is secretly a Muslim, he is gay and Michelle is a cover-up, all those things. It is right beneath the surface and is easily found at your Breitbart, World Net Daily, or other sites.

jared81
10-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Obama has been President for four years. By that definition, he is the most qualified person to be President.

You know what code I am talking about. Obama was born in Kenya, he is secretly a Muslim, he is gay and Michelle is a cover-up, all those things. It is right beneath the surface and is easily found at your Breitbart, World Net Daily, or other sites.

the same **** has been said about every president for the last 30 years. This is what the other side does, if Hillary was president they would make something up about her. Just watch msnbc for a nightly barrage about Rodmneys religion. It is part of politics, Obama isn't the first to deal with it. Like I said, you're too sensitive.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 08:48 PM
the same **** has been said about every president for the last 30 years. This is what the other side does, if Hillary was president they would make something up about her. Just watch msnbc for a nightly barrage about Rodmneys religion. It is part of politics, Obama isn't the first to deal with it. Like I said, you're too sensitive.

What about Romney's religion? That the church was an institutionally racist organization until he was 31 years old, and he was a devoted follower, to the point of going on a mission for the religion? Those are two different things.

PhinsFreak
10-23-2012, 09:38 PM
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9296

:lol:

jared81
10-23-2012, 09:41 PM
What about Romney's religion? That the church was an institutionally racist organization until he was 31 years old, and he was a devoted follower, to the point of going on a mission for the religion? Those are two different things.

Now you're knit picking and showing you're true alegence. Obama has done some pretty controversial things as well. Bill Ayers, Jeremiah wright. We can go around in circles. It's ok if the black man to shows he's racist, but the second a rich white belongs to a crazy group, that's wrong. Gotcha

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 09:46 PM
Now you're knit picking and showing you're true alegence. Obama has done some pretty controversial things as well. Bill Ayers, Jeremiah wright. We can go around in circles. It's ok if the black man to shows he's racist, but the second a rich white belongs to a crazy group, that's wrong. Gotcha

You are making things up. If anything, the media has done a terrible job at exposing the awful positions the Mormon institution has taken over the years. There are plenty of other bad things about Romney, but you brought it up.

I don't know what racist black man you are referring to.

PhinsFreak
10-23-2012, 09:48 PM
What about Romney's religion? That the church was an institutionally racist organization until he was 31 years old, and he was a devoted follower, to the point of going on a mission for the religion? Those are two different things.

Obama was raised a Muslim. Then, he made a choice as an adult to be an atheist. THEN, when he got his first job in politics he decided that he better not let people know he is an atheist so he ran out as fast as he could to go find himself a church to hide in so he could pretend to be a Christian. He found one of the most racist, America hating churches in North America run by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ the same year he got his first political job and he quit the church in 2008 when he realized that belonging to a RACIST, America hating church that has a pastor who screams blasphemy from the pulpit might hurt his political career. Obama is not a Christian. He is either an atheist of a Muslim, neither of which I want in the White House. I don't agree with the Mormon religion but at least it is better than the alternative.

Tetragrammaton
10-23-2012, 09:52 PM
Obama and Romney are probably both atheists, just like Paul Ryan, Joe Biden, and everyone else in the upper echelon of politics. In the end, it does not really matter too much.

PhinsFreak
10-23-2012, 09:58 PM
Obama and Romney are probably both atheists, just like Paul Ryan, Joe Biden, and everyone else in the upper echelon of politics. In the end, it does not really matter too much.

Obama probably is but I highly doubt Romney or the others are. If Romney was going to hide behind a religion he would have chosen a more popular one, like Obama did. :d-day:

trojanma
10-23-2012, 10:05 PM
Obama may have been under qualified to be president 4 years ago but 4 years of on the job experience have likely changed that.

Romney's only government experience has been 4 years as governor of Massachusetts.

Obama was a constitutional law scholar at the University of Chicago, seven years as an Illinois Senator, 3 years as a US senator.
He isn't qualified?!?!?!

WTF does someone have to do to be qualified?
These statements that one guy is smarter than the other is just stupid.

Both Romney and Obama are supremely intelligent men that are qualified to be president whatever that metric is?

Can we just make this decision based on the issues. Not nonsense like that.

trojanma
10-23-2012, 10:10 PM
Obama was raised a Muslim. Then, he made a choice as an adult to be an atheist. THEN, when he got his first job in politics he decided that he better not let people know he is an atheist so he ran out as fast as he could to go find himself a church to hide in so he could pretend to be a Christian. He found one of the most racist, America hating churches in North America run by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ the same year he got his first political job and he quit the church in 2008 when he realized that belonging to a RACIST, America hating church that has a pastor who screams blasphemy from the pulpit might hurt his political career. Obama is not a Christian. He is either an atheist of a Muslim, neither of which I want in the White House. I don't agree with the Mormon religion but at least it is better than the alternative.


This is just nonsensical character assasination.
Who the f*ck are you to judge how religious a person is. Have you spoken to Obama? Have you read his diary?
This is the most personal decision in a person's life?

Spare me the right wing blogosphere nonsense.

I am sure there are many many politicians out there that only play lip service to their religion both Republican and Democrat(cough Newt Gingrich)? Who the f*ck cares. Are we going start instituting piety tests now. Last I heard the US is not a theocracy.

Locke
10-23-2012, 10:22 PM
Obama was raised a Muslim. Then, he made a choice as an adult to be an atheist. THEN, when he got his first job in politics he decided that he better not let people know he is an atheist so he ran out as fast as he could to go find himself a church to hide in so he could pretend to be a Christian. He found one of the most racist, America hating churches in North America run by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ the same year he got his first political job and he quit the church in 2008 when he realized that belonging to a RACIST, America hating church that has a pastor who screams blasphemy from the pulpit might hurt his political career. Obama is not a Christian. He is either an atheist of a Muslim, neither of which I want in the White House. I don't agree with the Mormon religion but at least it is better than the alternative.

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Dolphins9954
10-23-2012, 10:24 PM
It really is funny watching Obama and Romney debate military spending. On one side you have a president who outspent Bush militarily on every level. The biggest military budgets since WW2. While bombing more countries than Bush ever did. Countries and people who had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. And the alternative who wants to expand it. This election is definitive proof that both these parties are b!tches to the Military Industrial Complex, and that we're all a bunch of f'n slaves funding it.

trojanma
10-23-2012, 10:31 PM
It really is funny watching Obama and Romney debate military spending. On one side you have a president who outspent Bush militarily on every level. The biggest military budgets since WW2. While bombing more countries than Bush ever did. Countries and people who had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. And the alternative who wants to expand it. This election is definitive proof that both these parties are b!tches to the Military Industrial Complex, and that we're all a bunch of f'n slaves funding it.

Can't disagree with that.

PhinsFreak
10-23-2012, 10:33 PM
This is just nonsensical character assasination.
Who the f*ck are you to judge how religious a person is. Have you spoken to Obama? Have you read his diary?
This is the most personal decision in a person's life?

Spare me the right wing blogosphere nonsense.

I am sure there are many many politicians out there that only play lip service to their religion both Republican and Democrat(cough Newt Gingrich)? Who the f*ck cares. Are we going start instituting piety tests now. Last I heard the US is not a theocracy.

Character assassination? Look it up if you doubt what I just posted. What year did he get his first job in politics? Yeah, it was the same year he joined his racist church. What year did he quit his racist church? He quit 20 plus years later when he was running for president. Rev Wright is a racist and screamed blasphemy from the pulpit, while screaming negative things about America. That is why so many celebrities (Oprah) quit this RACIST church, too many people were finding out about their little secret. This same church loves Louis Farakhan, another reason why Obama had to distance himself from his own church. He would still be a member of this church if he wasn't elected by the blind.

TheWalrus
10-23-2012, 10:35 PM
Oprah is racist now?

phins_4_ever
10-23-2012, 10:44 PM
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9296

:lol:

Are you laughing about yourself? You should because Obama never said that the Marines don't use bayonets.

The joke is on you.


Obama was raised a Muslim. Then, he made a choice as an adult to be an atheist. THEN, when he got his first job in politics he decided that he better not let people know he is an atheist so he ran out as fast as he could to go find himself a church to hide in so he could pretend to be a Christian. He found one of the most racist, America hating churches in North America run by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ the same year he got his first political job and he quit the church in 2008 when he realized that belonging to a RACIST, America hating church that has a pastor who screams blasphemy from the pulpit might hurt his political career. Obama is not a Christian. He is either an atheist of a Muslim, neither of which I want in the White House. I don't agree with the Mormon religion but at least it is better than the alternative.

Actually I feel sorry for you.

trojanma
10-23-2012, 11:02 PM
I don't give a rats ass about when Obama joined what church. Those facts are so completely inconsequential to the main issues of the day.
It is also funny that you make such a big deal about what type Christian someone is(never heard of racist Christianity or I guess reverse racist Christianity).
Romney is a Mormon hello have you read their doctrines? That is some controversial ****.

So if someone is a Muslim until they are 20 years old then convert to Christianity bc they found jesus. Are they never allowed to become president BC they once had a different faith.
Same question just substitute Muslim with atheist.

Do these rules apply only to Democrats? To Obama?

Where is this secret, atheist, pro Muslim agenda that Obama has? Last I checked he is murdering Yemenis and Pakistanis with drone strikes?

TrojanFin
10-23-2012, 11:27 PM
When someone calls a Harvard graduate out of their depth to be President, they are either being racist or partisan.

I believe Theodore Kacsynski aka the Unabomber graduated from Harvard. Is he qualified to be President? Your statement proves your ignorance. Leadership and having a grasp of the real world requires more than just a degree. Obama barely served as a U.S. Senator before deciding he was ready to be President. Again, I stand by my statement, Obama, was out of his depth and its been proven time and time again by his ineptitude.

jared81
10-24-2012, 08:04 AM
I believe Theodore Kacsynski aka the Unabomber graduated from Harvard. Is he qualified to be President? Your statement proves your ignorance. Leadership and having a grasp of the real world requires more than just a degree. Obama barely served as a U.S. Senator before deciding he was ready to be President. Again, I stand by my statement, Obama, was out of his depth and its been proven time and time again by his ineptitude.

It's called white guilt, something liberal men struggle with. They would never challenge anything a black male says for fear of getting their ass whooped or for fear of being called racist. It's a sad and pathetic state of mind. Many on this forum have this problem. They will notice all of the dirt an old white man carries (in this case Romney), but when it comes to Obama they will turn a blind eye and use the race card. I know people who have graduated from prestigious colleges and wouldn't trust them to work my toaster.

phins_4_ever
10-24-2012, 08:47 AM
It's called white guilt, something liberal men struggle with. They would never challenge anything a black male says for fear of getting their ass whooped or for fear of being called racist. It's a sad and pathetic state of mind. Many on this forum have this problem. They will notice all of the dirt an old white man carries (in this case Romney), but when it comes to Obama they will turn a blind eye and use the race card. I know people who have graduated from prestigious colleges and wouldn't trust them to work my toaster.

OK. We call it spade for spade. Liberal white guilt and conservative racism.

-=DolfanDave=-
10-24-2012, 08:59 AM
It helps with me. I fully support not increasing our debt further with more defense spending, war, and death. Now if only he could convince me that he doesn't support these things, he might have my vote. He can't, and neither can Romney.

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Social issues aside, I would never in a million years vote for someone who wanted to INCREASE defense spending. WHY?! For what?!?!? No ****ing way, Mr. Romney.

RockyMtnPhinfan
10-24-2012, 09:04 AM
I thought it was a pretty good way to get his point across.
+1 Obama

RockyMtnPhinfan
10-24-2012, 09:07 AM
Come on now ya'lll white bread southern conservatives, don't be butt hurt because Romney can't hold his own in a foreign policy debate.
Haters gonna hate. :)

PhinsFreak
10-24-2012, 09:11 AM
I don't give a rats ass about when Obama joined what church. Those facts are so completely inconsequential to the main issues of the day.
It is also funny that you make such a big deal about what type Christian someone is(never heard of racist Christianity or I guess reverse racist Christianity).
Romney is a Mormon hello have you read their doctrines? That is some controversial ****.

So if someone is a Muslim until they are 20 years old then convert to Christianity bc they found jesus. Are they never allowed to become president BC they once had a different faith.
Same question just substitute Muslim with atheist.

Do these rules apply only to Democrats? To Obama?

Where is this secret, atheist, pro Muslim agenda that Obama has? Last I checked he is murdering Yemenis and Pakistanis with drone strikes?

This is extremely important and does pertain to today's world, especially in America. I don't believe for a second that Obama "found God" the same year he found a political job. I believe he Found A Political Job and was advised to Find A Church, and has been PRETENDING to be a Christian. All politicians lie but liberals don't care how many lies and secrets Obama has in his closet, all they care about is that his name isn't Bush.

Do you want "CHANGE" ?

Vote for Romney and lets change something that has been going on for 32 years. For 32 years there has been a Bush or Clinton in the White House. :crazy:

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Hey Joe, stalking me on this forum might be a violation of the rules. I will check the site owner about that and let him know who you are and why you keep personally attacking me in every thread, just like you did on the other site.

jared81
10-24-2012, 09:17 AM
Come on now ya'lll white bread southern conservatives, don't be butt hurt because Romney can't hold his own in a foreign policy debate.
Haters gonna hate. :)

Maybe if you let your girlfriend sleep with enough black males they will let you play ball with them. Tell me, what horrible racist crime did you do in the past to make you feel so much guilt? Haters gonna hate.

trojanma
10-24-2012, 09:54 AM
This is extremely important and does pertain to today's world, especially in America. I don't believe for a second that Obama "found God" the same year he found a political job. I believe he Found A Political Job and was advised to Find A Church, and has been PRETENDING to be a Christian. All politicians lie but liberals don't care how many lies and secrets Obama has in his closet, all they care about is that his name isn't Bush.

Do you want "CHANGE" ?

Vote for Romney and lets change something that has been going on for 32 years. For 32 years there has been a Bush or Clinton in the White House. :crazy:

---------- Post added at 06:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:09 AM ----------

Hey Joe, stalking me on this forum might be a violation of the rules. I will check the site owner about that and let him know who you are and why you keep personally attacking me in every thread, just like you did on the other site.

First off
Your statement about Obama and Christianity is a THEORY. A theory that cannot and will not ever be proven unless Obama says it to someone or writes it down in a memoir.
A man goes to church for 20 years does not count as a real Christian? Who are YOU to judge? (Matthew 7)

Second the evidence you propose of this conspiracy theory is correlation. I will take your word for it that the dates of him joining the church and starting politics are similar.
There is a statement in science: Correlation is not Causation. This means that just because two time points are similar doesn't mean they are connected.

I challenge you to once again give me an example of the atheist/muslim agenda that Obama has been pushing. Is he saving all of this for his second term?

Now
In regards to your last statement that I have bolded.
What is this even supposed to mean.
If you actually believe that Mitt Romney is going to be some departure from past agendas of the US Presidents then you are hopeless.

If simply mean that Romney won't literaly be a Bush/Clinton in the cabinet don't count on it as Jeb Bush could very well be offered a cabinet post.

JackFinfan
10-24-2012, 11:40 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not just talking about someone who graduated from Harvard. We're talking about someone who graduated from Harvard Law School in the top 10% of his class. There's a big difference there.

I don't want to say that people are racist if they think Obama isn't Presidential material, because I don't think you can speak for everyone with a blanket statement like that. But there's defintely a segment of the population that is being racist when they say it.

As for individuals like Jared who accuse people that point out racism as experiencing "white guilt", well that's clearly a self defense mechanism. It's a way for him and others to justify their lack of understanding of racial tensions and sociology.

MadDog 88
10-24-2012, 11:46 AM
A persons religous beliefs are a personal choice and have no business being part of a political agenda. That is as discriminatory as a persons race or gender.

I voted Obama last time and was leaning his way as the lesser of two evils but quite frankly, I thought Romney was stronger in the debates and have changed my mind. There are a lot to not like about both but right now, this country needs a business mind at the top.

Spesh
10-24-2012, 11:57 AM
Funny how important an issue religion is to people when it comes to a supposedly secular government.

TheWalrus
10-24-2012, 12:23 PM
A persons religous beliefs are a personal choice and have no business being part of a political agenda. That is as discriminatory as a persons race or gender.

I voted Obama last time and was leaning his way as the lesser of two evils but quite frankly, I thought Romney was stronger in the debates and have changed my mind. There are a lot to not like about both but right now, this country needs a business mind at the top.

I can understand preferring Romney's policies generally (I don't, but I can understand it), but this confuses me. The CEO perspective is pretty well reflected by policy as it is.

phins_4_ever
10-24-2012, 02:20 PM
A persons religous beliefs are a personal choice and have no business being part of a political agenda. That is as discriminatory as a persons race or gender.

I voted Obama last time and was leaning his way as the lesser of two evils but quite frankly, I thought Romney was stronger in the debates and have changed my mind. There are a lot to not like about both but right now, this country needs a business mind at the top.

We did have that already - from 2000 - 2008. Bush was exactly promoted that way: business man, not a career politician, just one term as a governor. Sounds familiar?

LouPhinFan
10-24-2012, 03:34 PM
Funny dig by Obama I guess, but the Marines still issue, train with, and use bayonets.

On the flip side, I'm not sure why we need more Navy ships. We already have the most powerful Navy on the planet. Other countries can beat us in pure manpower (I'm looking at you China and India) but we are the most technologically advanced military in the world and none of our "enemies" are even close.

The way I look at it, Obama wants to spend all our money on endless, inefficient government programs and Romney wants to spend all of our money on the military. Either way a Chinese goon is coming to turn me upside down by the ankles and shake all of the loose change out of my pockets...

phins_4_ever
10-24-2012, 03:44 PM
Funny dig by Obama I guess, but the Marines still issue, train with, and use bayonets.

On the flip side, I'm not sure why we need more Navy ships. We already have the most powerful Navy on the planet. Other countries can beat us in pure manpower (I'm looking at you China and India) but we are the most technologically advanced military in the world and none of our "enemies" are even close.

The way I look at it, Obama wants to spend all our money on endless, inefficient government programs and Romney wants to spend all of our money on the military. Either way a Chinese goon is coming to turn me upside down by the ankles and shake all of the loose change out of my pockets...

I am sure Obama knows that too that's why he said fewer and not 'no bayonets'. His point was that our Navy is much more modern and we can do more today with less ships than a decade or more ago. As you said: most powerful Navy.