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Bodzilla29
04-20-2002, 06:33 PM
are very dangerous. They look like they are putting together a great draft. Josh Reed somehow slipped to them, he will be VERY good. Mike Williams will make our lives miserable......or at least make our DEs lives miserable!!! hehehe

EddieIrvine13
04-20-2002, 06:35 PM
I know! The AFC East is getting screwed! Even New England is getting better with Daniel Graham and the Jets with Rumph. And watch out, Bledsoe in Buffalo still looks likely. There wont be a losing team in the AFC East.

Bodzilla29
04-20-2002, 06:37 PM
gettin a little mixed up there....Rumph went to SF at 27....NYJ took Bryan Thomas, DE, UAB....looks like Ellis is going back t oDT....good waste of talent.....i like it! hahaha

iceblizzard69
04-20-2002, 07:21 PM
Man, the Jets picked a good player but they just don't need him. Thomas will be really good but it wasn't a need. Buffalo got a steal in Reed but McKinnie is better then Williams (although Williams is pretty good)

Blitz
04-20-2002, 07:38 PM
It looks like the run on WRs is on with Carter, Davis, and Caldwell being the last three picks.

I doubt Marquise Walker's going to fall into our hands, like some of us were hoping he would.

Bodzilla29
04-20-2002, 07:53 PM
Antonio Bryant is fallin like enron stock!!! he would be a MEGA steal....but I wouldn't get to excited, he will definately be gone!

VanDolPhan
04-20-2002, 08:34 PM
Our pick that we gave to Philly is coming up. Lets see who we could have had at that spot instead of Morlon.

baccarat
04-20-2002, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69
Man, the Jets picked a good player but they just don't need him. Thomas will be really good but it wasn't a need. Buffalo got a steal in Reed but McKinnie is better then Williams (although Williams is pretty good)

I agree McKinnie is better than Williams, although Williams should become a good player. The only big weakness for Williams is his weight. He is almost 380 lb.

VanDolPhan
04-20-2002, 08:47 PM
Ok Eagles made their picks. Who "could" we have drafted there at this point that would make us regret taking Morlon last year?

iceblizzard69
04-20-2002, 08:52 PM
Is Bryant still out there? The Eagles should not have taken all of those DBs and should of gone with Bryant. I think the Niners will take Bryant now.

baccarat
04-20-2002, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Bodzilla29
are very dangerous. They look like they are putting together a great draft. Josh Reed somehow slipped to them, he will be VERY good. Mike Williams will make our lives miserable......or at least make our DEs lives miserable!!! hehehe

Whats with the hehehe??


Anyways, I was thinking there may be one negative things for the Bills by picking Josh Reed(Besides the possibility of him being a bust). Moulds may become pissed off that he is not getting the ball enough(He already did that last season), and turn into a me-player.

mls737
04-20-2002, 09:32 PM
I'm pretty sure most people in the NFL think Williams is the best tackle. The only concern was with his knee, you don't want to spend a draft pick that high on someone who's not going to get hurt. As for his weight, I don't think thats a big deal. Not only are huge guys like Leonard Davis proving big guys can be dominating tackles, but he looks like he's lost some of the 375 pounds he weighed in at the combine at. It looks all like solid muscle to me. Not good news for us.

breckenridge55
04-20-2002, 09:35 PM
I disagree that the AFC East is putting together a good draft. I think the way the draft has gone so far, the Dolphins have been lucky.

Buffalo: Should have a lot better players for the #4 pick then what they do. Williams is way over-rated. Hell, I know he is fast for being 375 pounds, BUT, he IS 375 pounds. You're trying to tell me JT won't have an easy time getting around him? Reed was a steal, but they always had good receivers so I am not too worried there.

NY Jets: I think they have had an AWFUL draft. Bryan Thomas is NOT a 1st rounder. That was a wasted pick. Good news for us.

Patriots: They I believe have had the best draft so far in terms of what they could do. They made a pretty good move to trade up and Graham is a good player at a position where they have nothing.

Overall, I think the Dolphins are in good shape after the 1st 2 rounds. Let's hope I am right. But really bodzilla, the Bills got Mike Williams and Josh Reed, but who did you expect them to get with the #4 pick? It's not like they were drafting low in the first round. I feel that for the picks they had, they should have had better talnet than what they got.

iceblizzard69
04-20-2002, 09:37 PM
Thomas has late first round talent, it just didn't make sense because the Jets didn't need him. Buffalo has put together a good draft, and the Patriots got a good player in Graham.

breckenridge55
04-20-2002, 09:40 PM
I just want to know how McKinnie is rated below Williams when he goes two full seasons without giving up a sack. And to add to that, he had the following:

Dorsey is not a very mobile QB so he couldn't get out of trouble very well

He had to face Dwight Freeney, the #11 pick I believe, last year and in 2000

The guy is MASSIVE (not that Williams isn't) but just to look at how big he really is, scares me.

Williams did not shut down Freeney in two games, and Williams also didn't go two years without a sack.

One more thing about McKinnie, the guy just took up football recently. He is still learning the game and technique which means he probably has more upside than Williams.

iceblizzard69
04-20-2002, 09:47 PM
McKinnie is better, but it is Buffalo. What do you expect?

Blitz
04-20-2002, 09:57 PM
McKinnie's better, in my opinion. Mike Tice, a former offensive line coach, knows he got a steal with Bryant at the 7th slot.

Dajesus
04-21-2002, 01:00 AM
I just don't see the need for Reed. I think he is a great talent, but WR is probably the only area of the team that didn't need improvement. They needed to add antoher DT, DE, LB, and RB so they take a WR. Makes since to me:p

iceblizzard69
04-21-2002, 09:22 AM
Peerless Price sucks though.

dolfan06
04-26-2002, 09:12 AM
putting down the bills players. i'm not an expert, but i think there is a story here about the management. do these people really know what they're doing?

Billsfan
04-26-2002, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by dolfan06
putting down the bills players. i'm not an expert, but i think there is a story here about the management. do these people really know what they're doing?


Are you serious????? Tom Donahue and Tom Modrak. First of all TD is great. He built the Steeler teams of the 90’s. And Modrak built the Eagles. He could be a GM for any team in the league. The Eagles dropped him so late last year that he jumped on with the Bills. The only position open this year was in ATL and Modrak decided to stay. As for Reed in the Second round, Did you ever hear the concept of “Best Player on the Board” This guy was the 3rd best WR in the draft. That’s a steal. The Bills have received a draft grade of at least a B in every sports publication I have read (except in a Miami newspaper where they got a D or an F). I wonder why.

As for Williams v. McKinnie. McKinnie was running his mouth quite a bit before the draft. The Bills historically have stayed away from players that may get into trouble. I also heard an interview with McKinnie and he didn’t sound too bright. Williams on the other hand is a nice guy, always says the right thing and has a great sense of humor. He will look great next to R. Brown.

I agree that he may have trouble pass blocking against speed rushers, but I can’t wait to see Williams and Brown plowing over Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas on running plays. These guys are big and they WILL open up some big holes.

dolfan06
04-26-2002, 10:50 AM
ok genius, who was it that decided ole' robby boy was better than flutie? sure as hell wasn't wannstedt!

Billsfan
04-26-2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by dolfan06
ok genius, who was it that decided ole' robby boy was better than flutie? sure as hell wasn't wannstedt!

That's easy....First of all they both suck....second, I don't remember the exact figures, but Because Bumble Chin signed both of these guys to huge contrats, we couldn't afford to keep them both OR cut them both. The cap hit for cutting RJ last year would have been somthing like 7 million, cutting Flutie cost somthing like 4 million. Cutting both would be 11 million. ( again don't quote me on the numbers). So you see if we would have cut Johnson, we would have had to cut more players then we did and we would have been 1-15.

They wanted to cut both last year but it would have cost a fortune.

As a matter of fact, when TD was working for ESPN.com, the season before he came to Buffalo, he said "it's a no-brainer, start Flutie". When he came to town, he realized that it would have been impossible to keep them both, cut them both or even keep Flutie and cut Johnson. The decision was allready made for him by Butler, who I think gave a 4 year $15 million deal to the waterboy.

dolfan06
04-26-2002, 01:05 PM
don't quote me on the numbers i'm terrible with numbers, you could say 10 cents and i'd have to believe ya, cause i don't have a clue!

Clumpy
05-07-2002, 01:33 AM
RJ vs DF debate:

1) Keeping RJ was more cap friendly than keeping DF
2) RJ was willing to work with the new OC....DF wasn't
3) Keeping DF would have still required a "QB of the future"
4) Keeping RJ gave him a season to prove he was the "QB of the future"
5) DF was/is a "cancer" in the locker room. RJ wasn't/isn't
6) Keeping DF would have even more regressive to the organization. We may have won 5 instead of 3 and missed out come draft day; cap differences may have precluded the off-season we've had

Now, how about a Fins fan talkin with some intelligence :rolleyes:


:monkey: Doll-Felons

dolfan06
05-07-2002, 03:40 AM
is worse than anything the dolphins have done, so why do you refer to the dolphins as dol-felons when there is an ex bill running around wih blood on their hands. the organization can't be held responsible for individuals actions. GET REAL! ok

bills_phan
05-07-2002, 10:40 AM
OJ was a member of the 49'ers last. He would never have had such problems if he had stayed in Buffalo. He's their problem! :D

bills_phan
05-07-2002, 10:41 AM
Flutie's still better than Fiedler!

dolfan06
05-07-2002, 11:29 AM
like i said before, QB's don't win superbowls. in fact, neither does buffalo, ok, sweet cakes!