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FinfanInBuffalo
12-02-2012, 05:00 PM
The only question is what took so long.

Spesh
12-02-2012, 05:24 PM
Looking forward to all the insanity this causes. Should be damn amusing. Best part was he wasnt pulled for Tebow(who yes, was injured). People are going to be all over the place about what to do for the rest of the season.

Daytona Fin
12-02-2012, 06:00 PM
The Jets benched Mark Sanchez for Greg McElroy in the third quarter of Sunday's Week 13 game against the Cardinals.
Sanchez was almost indescribably brutal, going 10-of-21 for 97 yards and three interceptions. He was picked off on 33 percent of his initial nine dropbacks and failed to move the offense thereafter. When Sanchez was pulled with roughly five minutes left in the third, the Jets had zero points. McElroy isn't the long-term answer, but it's comforting to know that the long-delusional Jets are finally seeing the light on "Sanchize": He's not an NFL starter.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/249799/mercifully-jets-bench-sanchez-for-mcelroy

Harry_Bagpipe
12-02-2012, 06:31 PM
Sanchez also was lucky. Zona should of had a pick 6 against him too

jetsknicks1
12-02-2012, 06:41 PM
Looking forward to all the insanity this causes. Should be damn amusing. Best part was he wasnt pulled for Tebow(who yes, was injured). People are going to be all over the place about what to do for the rest of the season.I think they have to start McElroy and let him play out the season. Mark is clearly not the answer and Tebow cannot be successful long term in the NFL (IMO). Let McElroy play and see what he's got.

silverfin
12-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Is Sanchez done as the NY Jets starting QB?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000104140/article/rex-ryan-wont-say-if-mark-sanchez-will-start-again

I hope not personally :chuckle:

DisturbedShifty
12-02-2012, 08:10 PM
Can't wait till the Spin Master puts his two cents in on this. Speaking of garbage. Anyone check Gang Green to see what type of response the benching made over there?

Harry_Bagpipe
12-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Can't wait till the Spin Master puts his two cents in on this. Speaking of garbage. Anyone check Gang Green to see what type of response the benching made over there?

theyre mostly ecstatic and rightly so

silverfin
12-02-2012, 08:29 PM
Apparently the roar and general feeling of excitement from home fans when the switch was made were huge.

PhinzN703
12-02-2012, 11:06 PM
Let me guess, there's going to be talk that the Jets are still in the playoff hunt? Junc's already said as much b/c they play a "soft" schedule the rest of the year. Look out AFC!

silverfin
12-02-2012, 11:11 PM
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=75781

:lol:

BleedinGreenNC
12-03-2012, 08:55 AM
Let #14 start the rest of the season, Sanchez is horrible!

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 09:03 AM
and yet we are in 2nd place!

Mark deserved to be benched, we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses. I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football. That doesn't absolve his poor play but he is in an impossible spot.

silverfin
12-03-2012, 12:38 PM
Mark deserved to be benched

It's taken you what, 2 years to finally realise this?


we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses.

You said "not to make excuses" .... but then you went and made excuses:


I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football.

Sanchez is just not a good quarterback. He sucked even when he had Santonio to throw to. So, do you ...

1. Think Sanchez is done in NY?

and, if yes,

2. Whats your answer at QB?

If I were a Jets fan I'd be more than slightly pissed after you guys gave Sanchez that contract :lol:

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 12:40 PM
It's taken you what, 2 years to finally realise this?



You said "not to make excuses" .... but then you went and made excuses:



Sanchez is just not a good quarterback. He sucked even when he had Santonio to throw to. So, do you ...

1. Think Sanchez is done in NY?

and, if yes,

2. Whats your answer at QB?

If I were a Jets fan I'd be more than slightly pissed after you guys gave Sanchez that contract :lol:

he didn't deserve to be benchec before yesterday.

I don't want to make excuses and ultimately he is judged on his performance regardless of circumstances but he doesn't have much help.

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 12:45 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/12/76999_2613101782089_1899662038_n-1.jpg

silverfin
12-03-2012, 12:50 PM
So are you going to answer the questions? Do you think Mark Sanchez is done as the starting QB of the New York Jets? Or is it too painful for you to admit, a bit like it is for Rex Ryan? :lol:

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 01:03 PM
So are you going to answer the questions? Do you think Mark Sanchez is done as the starting QB of the New York Jets? Or is it too painful for you to admit, a bit like it is for Rex Ryan? :lol:

was I asked thre question?

No I don't think he is done, I expect him to start next week or soon after.

grogan12
12-03-2012, 02:51 PM
he didn't deserve to be benchec before yesterday.

I don't want to make excuses and ultimately he is judged on his performance regardless of circumstances but he doesn't have much help.

Oh please!!! Tom Brady won a Super Bowl with David Patten, Troy Brown, J. Wiggins and Atone Smith for Offensive Talent!!! Not only that but he got to within 1 score of going to another super Bowl with Rasheed "frigin" Caldwell as his leading WR. Great players and really good players aren't measured by when things are going 100% their way, they are measured by how they perform in the worst of situations. Anyone that isn't green glass wearing, green kool aid drinking homer can see that the Taco is garbage. Even when he had a great defense around him, and better offense weapons he was never anything better than below average. It is what it is, David Carr II.

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 02:58 PM
Oh please!!! Tom Brady won a Super Bowl with David Patten, Troy Brown, J. Wiggins and Atone Smith for Offensive Talent!!! Not only that but he got to within 1 score of going to another super Bowl with Rasheed "frigin" Caldwell as his leading WR. Great players and really good players aren't measured by when things are going 100% their way, they are measured by how they perform in the worst of situations. Anyone that isn't green glass wearing, green kool aid drinking homer can see that the Taco is garbage. Even when he had a great defense around him, and better offense weapons he was never anything better than below average. It is what it is, David Carr II.

he's not Tom Brady, Brady is a once in a generation type QB thouhg I might add Sanchez outplayed him in Foxboro in the biggest game they ever played against each other.

jared81
12-03-2012, 03:09 PM
and yet we are in 2nd place!

Mark deserved to be benched, we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses. I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football. That doesn't absolve his poor play but he is in an impossible spot.

this week. nobody can deny that with all the hype and $$$ the jest have spent, they are a huge dissappointment. they are not making the playoffs this year. going into next season you have cap problems, a qb issue and, an offensive coordinator that isnt capable, and head coacing questions. i would much rather be a pats, bills or dolphins fan heading into next season, i dont think anyone (except you) would dispute that.

grogan12
12-03-2012, 03:12 PM
he's not Tom Brady, Brady is a once in a generation type QB thouhg I might add Sanchez outplayed him in Foxboro in the biggest game they ever played against each other.


No shat, but the point remains, good players step up, to one degree or another. Taco not on any part of the scale a good player, he's done, it is what it is, the Jets can try drafting another one next year.

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 03:18 PM
this week. nobody can deny that with all the hype and $$$ the jest have spent, they are a huge dissappointment. they are not making the playoffs this year. going into next season you have cap problems, a qb issue and, an offensive coordinator that isnt capable, and head coacing questions. i would much rather be a pats, bills or dolphins fan heading into next season, i dont think anyone (except you) would dispute that.

most people did not expect the Jets to make the playoffs this year plus we lost our best O and D players and yet we still are the #2 team in the div(as of today) and have a remote chance at the playoffs.

what $$ have we spent? our biggest move this offseason was Tim Tebow.


No shat, but the point remains, good players step up, to one degree or another. Taco not on any part of the scale a good player, he's done, it is what it is, the Jets can try drafting another one next year.

he's played terrible football this year.

Mike13
12-03-2012, 03:45 PM
and yet we are in 2nd place!

Mark deserved to be benched, we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses. I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football. That doesn't absolve his poor play but he is in an impossible spot.

we are all tied for last.

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 03:54 PM
based on tiebreakers we are in 2nd. That can change w/ 4 games remaining but if we won out there's no what anyone could overtake us for 2nd.

Vaark
12-03-2012, 05:43 PM
Unless Whisenhunt was assured by the Bidwells that he'd be back so long as he "plays for a high draft" at this point, hell, there was absolutely no reason to leave in the QB who makes Curtis Painter vs the 09 jest and '11 league look like Peyton when you've got Skinner on the bench. Henne under center would have delivered AZ a victory; Moore under center for the Cardinals would have delivered a blow-out. Hell, maybe Painter could have even won that cluster****.

Larry Fitz has the patience of a saint; could you picture just how ballistic either Marshall or Holmes would have gone in that game?

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 05:50 PM
Larry Fitz is a rare one.

we got lucky, again you guys had your soft sched earlier, we have it now. we all play similar scheds so no whining like always if we finish ahead.

Vaark
12-03-2012, 05:58 PM
Larry Fitz is a rare one.

we got lucky, again you guys had your soft sched earlier, we have it now. we all play similar scheds so no whining like always if we finish ahead.

soft shmoft, you still would have lost with Kolb starting... and likely Skinner too. You faced a guy who couldn't start today for the top 20 Division 1 teams and a coach who either has a tanking agenda or is looking to get fired by leaving Curtis Painter 2.0 in. That's not scheduling, that's stepping in *** in a game that was embarrassing to both franchises and the league in general..

tylerdolphin
12-03-2012, 06:46 PM
Arizona averaged a little over one yard per play passing the ball yesterday. That is not a typo. There isnt a team in football that wouldnt beat the Cardinals with that joke of a QB they have now. He is literally the worst QB I have seen in my life in the NFL and that includes John Beck.

Jdiddy8four
12-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Both teams should be ashamed to call themselves professional teams. I feel sorry for anyone that had to watch that game with no other options.

nyjunc
12-03-2012, 07:19 PM
soft shmoft, you still would have lost with Kolb starting... and likely Skinner too. You faced a guy who couldn't start today for the top 20 Division 1 teams and a coach who either has a tanking agenda or is looking to get fired by leaving Curtis Painter 2.0 in. That's not scheduling, that's stepping in *** in a game that was embarrassing to both franchises and the league in general..



you like to deal in the "could have" and would have's".


Arizona averaged a little over one yard per play passing the ball yesterday. That is no a typo. There isnt a team in football that wouldnt beat the Cardinals with that joke of a QB they have now. He is literally the worst QB I have seen in my life in the NFL and that includes John Beck.

I have been to over 200 Jet games including the dark years in the 90s and this may have been the worst game I have ever been to, I would say it's right up there w/:

1991: 6-3 loss vs. NE(thankfully you guy lost to SD which set up our win and in game at Miami the next week)
1993: 9-6 loss to Indy
1995: 12-0 loss to NO
2000: 10-7 loss to Det
2001: loss to Buf 14-9
2007: 13-10 win vs. KC(OT)
2010: 10-6 loss to Mia


There have been worse Jet games, worse losses but a game wher both teams(specifically the O's) were as bad as yesterday I have rarely seen.

tylerdolphin
12-03-2012, 07:29 PM
you like to deal in the "could have" and would have's".



I have been to over 200 Jet games including the dark years in the 90s and this may have been the worst game I have ever been to, I would say it's right up there w/:

1991: 6-3 loss vs. NE(thankfully you guy lost to SD which set up our win and in game at Miami the next week)
1993: 9-6 loss to Indy
1995: 12-0 loss to NO
2000: 10-7 loss to Det
2001: loss to Buf 14-9
2007: 13-10 win vs. KC(OT)
2010: 10-6 loss to Mia


There have been worse Jet games, worse losses but a game wher both teams(specifically the O's) were as bad as yesterday I have rarely seen.

I think this Sunday's Jets game replaced the Steelers game from our 1-15 season in 07 (I believe it was a Monday night game) as the worst showing of offensive football I have ever seen. At least that game had the torrential rain and mud to blame. Does anyone else remember the punt that landed like a javelin in that game? Literally didnt bounce. Just came down and stuck in the sod :lol:.

Pitt won 3-0 on a last second FG. Terrible.

PhinzN703
12-03-2012, 09:29 PM
and yet we are in 2nd place!

Mark deserved to be benched, we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses. I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football. That doesn't absolve his poor play but he is in an impossible spot.

2nd place. Wow. Ahead of the Bills who haven't done anything in the history of time and the Dolphins who pretty much are the Bills in terms of no success in 542424232 years (SBs not withstanding).

The New Guy
12-03-2012, 09:33 PM
2nd place. Wow. Ahead of the Bills who haven't done anything in the history of time and the Dolphins who pretty much are the Bills in terms of no success in 542424232 years (SBs not withstanding).

I wonder if (4-8) Chargers fans are on (3-9) Raiders fans message boards crowing about being in 2nd place? :lol:

FinfanInBuffalo
12-03-2012, 10:03 PM
was I asked thre question?

No I don't think he is done, I expect him to start next week or soon after.

The week after Sanchez is finally released by the Jets you'll be expecting home to be resigned soon.

silverfin
12-03-2012, 10:51 PM
was I asked thre question?

No I don't think he is done, I expect him to start next week or soon after.

Yes you were, read up a bit :up:

Fair enough. I think he'll be gone after this season for the Jets and his replacement ... wait for it ........ Michael Vick :up: :lol:

PhinzN703
12-03-2012, 11:16 PM
I wonder if (4-8) Chargers fans are on (3-9) Raiders fans message boards crowing about being in 2nd place? :lol:

But it's better than finishing in last place! Nanny nanny!!!! Booooooooo

nyjunc
12-04-2012, 09:23 AM
2nd place. Wow. Ahead of the Bills who haven't done anything in the history of time and the Dolphins who pretty much are the Bills in terms of no success in 542424232 years (SBs not withstanding).

our team is awful, we lost our best O and D players, you guys were penciled into the playoffs a few weeks ago and yet we are still ahead of you.

It doesn't make me happy to be in 2nd in a bad division w/ no realistic shot at the playoffs but for all the talk you guys have done about the jets and every year how I hear Miami is so much better how come we always finish ahead?

Jdiddy8four
12-04-2012, 12:42 PM
our team is awful, we lost our best O and D players, you guys were penciled into the playoffs a few weeks ago and yet we are still ahead of you.

It doesn't make me happy to be in 2nd in a bad division w/ no realistic shot at the playoffs but for all the talk you guys have done about the jets and every year how I hear Miami is so much better how come we always finish ahead?

I doubt you hear "Miami is better than the Jets" as much as you hear "The Jets are not as good as they think."

MadDog 88
12-04-2012, 04:01 PM
Using tiebreakers to determine second :lol:

The sad truth is the Jets will finish in second ahead of us and the debate will center on them hosting the 49ers, Texans and even the Cards who played with the only QB worse then Sanchez, while we traveled for those same games.

But two thing are certain. One is I'd much rather have the future of Miami then the clown show in NY. Also, the Henne vs Sanchez debate can be put to rest. We let a guy walk to the Jags who is better then the Jets starter.

Vaark
12-04-2012, 04:13 PM
Wonder what other second place team lost 3 games at home by over 20pts each?

nyjunc
12-04-2012, 05:06 PM
Wonder what other second place team lost 3 games at home by over 20pts each?

but based on tiebreakers we'd be 2nd, right? which means you are behind us as usual.

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Using tiebreakers to determine second :lol:

The sad truth is the Jets will finish in second ahead of us and the debate will center on them hosting the 49ers, Texans and even the Cards who played with the only QB worse then Sanchez, while we traveled for those same games.

But two thing are certain. One is I'd much rather have the future of Miami then the clown show in NY. Also, the Henne vs Sanchez debate can be put to rest. We let a guy walk to the Jags who is better then the Jets starter.

I've been here since 2004 and every year I always here "I'd much rather have the future of the Miami Dolphins" yet every year we are better.

we play similar scheds so no excuses, no matter how bad we have been we are still ahead of you guys.

The New Guy
12-04-2012, 06:04 PM
[QUOTE=nyjunc;1064518873]but based on tiebreakers we'd be 2nd, right? which means you are behind us as usual.

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I've been here since 2004 and every year I always here "I'd much rather have the future of the Miami Dolphins" yet every year we are better.

we play similar scheds so no excuses, no matter how bad we have been we are still ahead of you guys.

It must be really sad for Jets fans that it has come to bragging about being in 2nd place at 5-7 and having no shot at the playoffs for the 2nd straight year. The Dolphins have had their worst 12 years in franchise history and the Jets have had their best. You would think the Jets would have finished in 2nd place most of the time, but the Jets have only managed to win more games than the Dolphins in only 6 out of those 12 years. 2 out of the 6 came without the Jets having a winning record. (4-12 in 2007, and 8-8 in 2011)

2000: Miami 11-5 - Jets 9-7
2001: Miami 11-5 - Jets 10-6
2002: Jets 9-7 - Miami 9-7
2003 Miami 10-6 - Jets 6-10
2004 Jets 10-6 - Miami 4-12
2005 Miami 9-7 - Jets 4-12
2006 Jets 10-6 - Miami 6-10
2007 Jets 4-12 - Miami 1-15
2008 Miami 11--5 Jets 9-7
2009 Jets 9-7 - Miami 7-9
2010 Jets 11-5 Miami 7-9
2011 Jets 8-8 Miami 6-10

The Jets won the division 1 time in 2002 (at 9-7) and the Dolphins won it twice (both with 11 wins)

Enjoy second place at the end of the season. (If the Bills don't finish ahead of you) This will be 3 out of 4 years that the Jets have struggled to have a winning record with Rex and Sanchez. Hopefully Rex will keep a good thing going and keep Mark as the starter. :)

nyjunc
12-04-2012, 06:13 PM
[QUOTE=The New Guy]

It must be really sad for Jets fans that it has come to bragging about being in 2nd place at 5-7 and having no shot at the playoffs for the 2nd straight year. The Dolphins have had their worst 12 years in franchise history and the Jets have had their best. You would think the Jets would have finished in 2nd place most of the time, but the Jets have only managed to win more games than the Dolphins in only 6 out of those 12 years. 2 out of the 6 came without the Jets having a winning record. (4-12 in 2007, and 8-8 in 2011)

2000: Miami 11-5 - Jets 9-7
2001: Miami 11-5 - Jets 10-6
2002: Jets 9-7 - Miami 9-7
2003 Miami 10-6 - Jets 6-10
2004 Jets 10-6 - Miami 4-12
2005 Miami 9-7 - Jets 4-12
2006 Jets 10-6 - Miami 6-10
2007 Jets 4-12 - Miami 1-15
2008 Miami 11--5 Jets 9-7
2009 Jets 9-7 - Miami 7-9
2010 Jets 11-5 Miami 7-9
2011 Jets 8-8 Miami 6-10

The Jets won the division 1 time in 2002 (at 9-7) and the Dolphins won it twice (both with 11 wins)

Enjoy second place at the end of the season. (If the Bills don't finish ahead of you) This will be 3 out of 4 years that the Jets have struggled to have a winning record with Rex and Sanchez. Hopefully Rex will keep a good thing going and keep Mark as the starter. :)

It is sad, it sucks we aren't going back to the playoffs but tiebreakers count so we are on the raod to 7 of the last 9 seasons finishing ahead of you. I've been here since 2004 and only 2005 and 2008 you finished ahead of us yet every year I hear how you guys are going to be better and you have the brighter future.

The 9-7 Jets team in 2002 played in a division where the weakest team was 8-8. The '02 Jets would ahve smacked the '00 dolphins or '08 dolphins and last I checked the '08 team got smoked at home in the WILD CARD round.


Rex and Sanchez have finished ahead of Miami every year so you must really not like winning.

Daytona Fin
12-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Jets hold the tiebreaker to what? Lower draft picks?

The New Guy
12-04-2012, 06:33 PM
It is sad, it sucks we aren't going back to the playoffs but tiebreakers count so we are on the raod to 7 of the last 9 seasons finishing ahead of you. I've been here since 2004 and only 2005 and 2008 you finished ahead of us yet every year I hear how you guys are going to be better and you have the brighter future.

The 9-7 Jets team in 2002 played in a division where the weakest team was 8-8. The '02 Jets would ahve smacked the '00 dolphins or '08 dolphins and last I checked the '08 team got smoked at home in the WILD CARD round.


Rex and Sanchez have finished ahead of Miami every year so you must really not like winning.

That is liking bragging about beating a handicap in a foot race 50% of the time. :wheels: :lol:


This has been your Franchise's best 12 years and the Dolphins worst. You should have finished ahead of Miami 12 out of 12 times. I'm sure you have heard a bunch of ridiculous things from fans on this message board. There has not been many years in the past decade that I thought that Miami would finish ahead of the Jets or made that claim on this board. With change comes hope for the future. I have not been happy with the changes the Dolphins made in the past, but for the first time in a long time, it looks like the Dolphins are headed in the right direction. I have no idea if Philbin and Tannehill will pan out, but I like the direction we are heading in. We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and are in a better cap situation than the Jets. I don't think any expert in his right mind would pick the Jets near future over the Dolphins. The Dolphins are in year one and have already exceeded expectations. The Jets are in year 4 and have been going backwards for 2 years now.

Rex and Sanchez have struggled to have a winning record 3 out of 4 years in the NFL. That has nothing to do with Miami being worse the last 3 years. I hope they keep it up because it won't take much improvement to move ahead.

nyjunc
12-04-2012, 06:38 PM
That is liking bragging about beating a handicap in a foot race 50% of the time. :wheels: :lol:


This has been your Franchise's best 12 years and the Dolphins worst. You should have finished ahead of Miami 12 out of 12 times. I'm sure you have heard a bunch of ridiculous things from fans on this message board. There has not been many years in the past decade that I thought that Miami would finish ahead of the Jets or made that claim on this board. With change comes hope for the future. I have not been happy with the changes the Dolphins made in the past, but for the first time in a long time, it looks like the Dolphins are headed in the right direction. I have no idea if Philbin and Tannehill will pan out, but I like the direction we are heading in. We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and are in a better cap situation than the Jets. I don't think any expert in his right mind would pick the Jets near future over the Dolphins. The Dolphins are in year one and have already exceeded expectations. The Jets are in year 4 and have been going backwards for 2 years now.

Rex and Sanchez have struggled to have a winning record 3 out of 4 years in the NFL. That has nothing to do with Miami being worse the last 3 years. I hope they keep it up because it won't take much improvement to move ahead.

we've been one of the best teams in the AFC the last decade or so, I think we are 4th or 5th in playoff wins. You guys don't have a playoff win in the last decade.

The dolphins have not exceeded expectations, teams go from bad to good right away. You were supposedly a playoff team after you beat us. Remember all the Tannehill vs. Luck matchups we'll see? the new Brady vs. Manning. Come on.

The New Guy
12-04-2012, 06:53 PM
we've been one of the best teams in the AFC the last decade or so, I think we are 4th or 5th in playoff wins. You guys don't have a playoff win in the last decade.

The dolphins have not exceeded expectations, teams go from bad to good right away. You were supposedly a playoff team after you beat us. Remember all the Tannehill vs. Luck matchups we'll see? the new Brady vs. Manning. Come on.

The 4 playoff wins in 2 years boosted the Jets in the standings, but they have not been one of the best teams in the AFC in the last decade. To me, you have to have a better winning % and actually win something tangible to have that title. NE, Pitt, Bal, and Indy are the best AFC teams from 2000 to now. All have a winning percentage above .600; won their division multiple times and have actually made it to the Super Bowl. The Jets have been average these past 12 years. Prior to the 4 playoff wins in 2009/10 the Jets only had 2 playoff wins since 2000, which would tie with Tenn and Den and is behind Oak and SD. In the last 12 years, the Jets rank #8 in winning % (.515) behind NE, Pitt, Bal, Indy, Den, SD and Tenn.

To be considered one of the best, quality regular seasons are needed. The Jets would not have even made the playoffs in 09 if it was not for Indy laying down. They had a quality season in 2010, but that seems to be a fluke rather than the norm. One more season like this one and Rex, Sanchez and Tannenbaum will probably be gone and the Jets will be starting all over. Sanchez and Tannenbaum might even be gone after this year.

Most experts thought the Dolphins would win 2 to 4 games all year. Especially with a QB as inexperienced as Tannehill, I was thinking 5 or 6 wins. 5 wins with 4 games to go in the season has definitely exceeded expectations. I'm sure you heard a lot of things from fans. You can't attribute those things to me because I never thought that or said that. What I am saying now is I would rather have the Dolphins future over the Jets. Most non homers would as well.

MadDog 88
12-05-2012, 01:24 AM
Junc, you don't have a QB. Thats not a bright future. The book is out on ours but we have a head start. Thats a brighter future.

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 11:08 AM
The 4 playoff wins in 2 years boosted the Jets in the standings, but they have not been one of the best teams in the AFC in the last decade. To me, you have to have a better winning % and actually win something tangible to have that title. NE, Pitt, Bal, and Indy are the best AFC teams from 2000 to now. All have a winning percentage above .600; won their division multiple times and have actually made it to the Super Bowl. The Jets have been average these past 12 years. Prior to the 4 playoff wins in 2009/10 the Jets only had 2 playoff wins since 2000, which would tie with Tenn and Den and is behind Oak and SD. In the last 12 years, the Jets rank #8 in winning % (.515) behind NE, Pitt, Bal, Indy, Den, SD and Tenn.

To be considered one of the best, quality regular seasons are needed. The Jets would not have even made the playoffs in 09 if it was not for Indy laying down. They had a quality season in 2010, but that seems to be a fluke rather than the norm. One more season like this one and Rex, Sanchez and Tannenbaum will probably be gone and the Jets will be starting all over. Sanchez and Tannenbaum might even be gone after this year.

Most experts thought the Dolphins would win 2 to 4 games all year. Especially with a QB as inexperienced as Tannehill, I was thinking 5 or 6 wins. 5 wins with 4 games to go in the season has definitely exceeded expectations. I'm sure you heard a lot of things from fans. You can't attribute those things to me because I never thought that or said that. What I am saying now is I would rather have the Dolphins future over the Jets. Most non homers would as well.

the 2 SBs in the last 5 years boosted the Giants from 1 more SB win than us to 4, what is your point?

we made the playoffs in '09, stop whining. If you didn't play dead teams throughout 2008 you wouldn't have made the playoffs but you did and you made it.

I only go by the experts on here and the experts here told me 9-11 wins, playoff berth and possible overtaking of the Pats.

2001-2011:
playoff apps/wins in AFC:
NE: 9 playoff apps, 16 playoff wins, Jets 1-1 vs. them in postseason
Ind: 9 playoff apps, 9 playoff wins. Jets 2-1 vs. them in postseason
Pitt: 8 playoff apps, 12 playoff wins, Jets 0-2 vs Pitt
Bal: 7 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins, 0-0
NYJ: 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
SD: 5 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 2-0 vs. SD
Ten: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Den: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Cin: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins. NYJ 1-0 vs. Cin
KC: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Oak: 2 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 0-2 vs. Oak
Jax: 2 playoff apps, 1 playoff win
Mia: 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Hou: 1 playoff app, 1 playoff win
Cle: 1 playoff app, 0 playoff wins
Buf: zero playoff apps

5th in playoff apps out of 16 teams, 4th in playoff wins.


Junc, you don't have a QB. Thats not a bright future. The book is out on ours but we have a head start. Thats a brighter future.

we have a QB we know we can win w/ if surrounded w/ the right cast, you have no idea about yours yet.

grogan12
12-05-2012, 01:24 PM
the 2 SBs in the last 5 years boosted the Giants from 1 more SB win than us to 4, what is your point?

we made the playoffs in '09, stop whining. If you didn't play dead teams throughout 2008 you wouldn't have made the playoffs but you did and you made it.

I only go by the experts on here and the experts here told me 9-11 wins, playoff berth and possible overtaking of the Pats.

2001-2011:
playoff apps/wins in AFC:
NE: 9 playoff apps, 16 playoff wins, Jets 1-1 vs. them in postseason
Ind: 9 playoff apps, 9 playoff wins. Jets 2-1 vs. them in postseason
Pitt: 8 playoff apps, 12 playoff wins, Jets 0-2 vs Pitt
Bal: 7 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins, 0-0
NYJ: 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
SD: 5 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 2-0 vs. SD
Ten: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Den: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Cin: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins. NYJ 1-0 vs. Cin
KC: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Oak: 2 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 0-2 vs. Oak
Jax: 2 playoff apps, 1 playoff win
Mia: 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Hou: 1 playoff app, 1 playoff win
Cle: 1 playoff app, 0 playoff wins
Buf: zero playoff apps

5th in playoff apps out of 16 teams, 4th in playoff wins.



we have a QB we know we can win w/ if surrounded w/ the right cast, you have no idea about yours yet.

Oh yeah, I see what youíre saying, the Jets are set at QB for years to come. God I hope Rex and the rest of the rest of the guys down in that swamp ridden garbage dump of Jersey agree with you. Because other than watching my team position themselves for yet another playoff run, the second best part of the football season is watching Jet fans see their dreams come crashing down every year, and then guys like you playing make believe so you donít have to deal with the reality of the situation. Youíre like the guy that's up to his neck in flood waters commenting on how dry his hair still is. :sidelol:

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 01:40 PM
Oh yeah, I see what youíre saying, the Jets are set at QB for years to come. God I hope Rex and the rest of the rest of the guys down in that swamp ridden garbage dump of Jersey agree with you. Because other than watching my team position themselves for yet another playoff run, the second best part of the football season is watching Jet fans see their dreams come crashing down every year, and then guys like you playing make believe so you donít have to deal with the reality of the situation. Youíre like the guy that's up to his neck in flood waters commenting on how dry his hair still is. :sidelol:

if the Jets win or lose it doesn't change my life. Sure I am happer when thet win but do you think I am crying in a corner and can't go on w/ my life if they lose? I feel bad for you.

The New Guy
12-05-2012, 02:00 PM
the 2 SBs in the last 5 years boosted the Giants from 1 more SB win than us to 4, what is your point?

we made the playoffs in '09, stop whining. If you didn't play dead teams throughout 2008 you wouldn't have made the playoffs but you did and you made it.

I only go by the experts on here and the experts here told me 9-11 wins, playoff berth and possible overtaking of the Pats.

2001-2011:
playoff apps/wins in AFC:
NE: 9 playoff apps, 16 playoff wins, Jets 1-1 vs. them in postseason
Ind: 9 playoff apps, 9 playoff wins. Jets 2-1 vs. them in postseason
Pitt: 8 playoff apps, 12 playoff wins, Jets 0-2 vs Pitt
Bal: 7 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins, 0-0
NYJ: 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
SD: 5 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 2-0 vs. SD
Ten: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Den: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Cin: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins. NYJ 1-0 vs. Cin
KC: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Oak: 2 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 0-2 vs. Oak
Jax: 2 playoff apps, 1 playoff win
Mia: 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Hou: 1 playoff app, 1 playoff win
Cle: 1 playoff app, 0 playoff wins
Buf: zero playoff apps

5th in playoff apps out of 16 teams, 4th in playoff wins.



we have a QB we know we can win w/ if surrounded w/ the right cast, you have no idea about yours yet.

Winning the Super Bowl is a little different than winning meaningless playoff games. The point is, 4 playoff wins in 2 years does not erase a decade of mediocrity. Especially when the Jets would not have qualified one of those years had another team not laid down for them. There is a huge difference in playing bad teams versus teams that rest their guys and have no desire to win. The 2011 (8-5) Jets faced a couple of bad teams to end the season with the playoffs on the line and lost to both teams. Had it been another situation like 09, they probably would have made it.

Winning %, Division titles and Conference Championships are needed to be considered one of the best teams over a decade. The Jets don't qualify.




AFC EAST

W
L
T
PCT
S.B Wins
Super Bowl Appear.
Playoff Appear.


New England Patriots

139
53

.723
3
5
8


New York Jets

99
93

.515


6


Miami Dolphins

92
100

.479


3


Buffalo Bills

76
116

.395





AFC NORTH










Pittsburgh Steelers

127
64
1
.661
2
3
8


Baltimore Ravens

116
76

.604
1
1
8


Cincinnati Bengals

81
110
1
.421


3


Cleveland Browns

66
126

.343


1


AFC SOUTH










Indianapolis Colts

126
65

.661
1
2
10


Tennessee Titans

106
86

.552

1
5


Jacksonville Jaguars

89
103

.463


2


Houston Texans

65
95

.406


1


AFC West











Denver Broncos

105
87

.546


5


San Diego Chargers

102
90

.531


5


Kansas City Chiefs

87
105

.453


3


Oakland Raiders

78
114

.406

1
3



Even Oakland and Tennessee (who has a higher winning % and more division titles than the Jets) have been to a Super Bowl in that time frame, (when the Jets have not) and I don't consider either as one of the best AFC teams over that span.

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 02:42 PM
Winning the Super Bowl is a little different than winning meaningless playoff games. The point is, 4 playoff wins in 2 years does not erase a decade of mediocrity. Especially when the Jets would not have qualified one of those years had another team not laid down for them. There is a huge difference in playing bad teams versus teams that rest their guys and have no desire to win. The 2011 (8-5) Jets faced a couple of bad teams to end the season with the playoffs on the line and lost to both teams. Had it been another situation like 09, they probably would have made it.




we lost to one bad team when we were essentially already eliminated, the other 2 games we lost to the eventual champs and one of the hottest teams in the league.

The Jets have been one of the top AFC teams for over a decade, sorry the truth bothers you. Only 3 teams have more playoff wins and we did it w/ a dynasty team in the division knowing we were playing for 2nd every year. You see what that did to the bottom 2 teams in our division but the Jets were able to overcome and still be one of the top teams in the AFC.

The New Guy
12-05-2012, 03:40 PM
we lost to one bad team when we were essentially already eliminated, the other 2 games we lost to the eventual champs and one of the hottest teams in the league.

The Jets have been one of the top AFC teams for over a decade, sorry the truth bothers you. Only 3 teams have more playoff wins and we did it w/ a dynasty team in the division knowing we were playing for 2nd every year. You see what that did to the bottom 2 teams in our division but the Jets were able to overcome and still be one of the top teams in the AFC.

The Eagles were 2-4 in the previous 6 games before facing the Jets, and the Giants were 1-5 in their previous 6 games before facing the Jets. Not exactly what I would call the hottest teams in the league. With the playoffs on the line, the Jets lost all 3 games and 2 of the 3 were considered bad teams and most thought the 3rd would miss the playoffs. Facing those bad teams had a different outcome than facing a good team that laid down.

It is not the truth. The Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and only won 7 more games than the Dolphins did over that span. The Jets barely qualified for a playoffs several times while Miami missed at 9-7 (x2) and 10-6. How can they be considered one of the best over a decade when they are so close to a team that has been as bad as Miami? 4 playoff wins in 2 years doesn't change those facts.

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 03:54 PM
The Eagles were 2-4 in the previous 6 games before facing the Jets, and the Giants were 1-5 in their previous 6 games before facing the Jets. Not exactly what I would call the hottest teams in the league. With the playoffs on the line, the Jets lost all 3 games and 2 of the 3 were considered bad teams and most thought the 3rd would miss the playoffs. Facing those bad teams had a different outcome than facing a good team that laid down.

It is not the truth. The Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and only won 7 more games than the Dolphins did over that span. The Jets barely qualified for a playoffs several times while Miami missed at 9-7 (x2) and 10-6. How can they be considered one of the best over a decade when they are so close to a team that has been as bad as Miami? 4 playoff wins in 2 years doesn't change those facts.

Vick had just come back the week before and they ended up winning their last 4 w/ him. Philly against us was the most impressive team I saw all year.

The Giants got hot, the Giants wouldn't lose another game. We gave it to them, that Victor Cruz TD at the end of the 1st half changed both of our seasons. We dominated play top that point and would have likely been up at least 10-3 at the half but instead we went down 10-7 and never really recovered.

since when did 6-2=? since 2001:

NYJ: 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010
Mia: 2001, 2008

we have 4 more apps and SIX more playoff wins.

We wont he required # of games in particular seasons. Our 9 win '02 team was better than our 10 win '01 team or your 10 win '03 team. You guys were basically eliminated after your 2 game losing streak late in '03 before beating bad teams the last 2 weeks to make the record look better. You were out of the race in october in 2005 before winning a bunch of meaningless games to end the year. those were the only 2 years you werre "close" even though you weren't either time. We also could have made it in '08 and last year but missed by a game each time. We earned our playoff apps and you earned yours, you also earned the but whoopings you got when you actually made it.

The New Guy
12-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Vick had just come back the week before and they ended up winning their last 4 w/ him. Philly against us was the most impressive team I saw all year.

The Giants got hot, the Giants wouldn't lose another game. We gave it to them, that Victor Cruz TD at the end of the 1st half changed both of our seasons. We dominated play top that point and would have likely been up at least 10-3 at the half but instead we went down 10-7 and never really recovered.

since when did 6-2=? since 2001:

NYJ: 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010
Mia: 2001, 2008

we have 4 more apps and SIX more playoff wins.

We wont he required # of games in particular seasons. Our 9 win '02 team was better than our 10 win '01 team or your 10 win '03 team. You guys were basically eliminated after your 2 game losing streak late in '03 before beating bad teams the last 2 weeks to make the record look better. You were out of the race in october in 2005 before winning a bunch of meaningless games to end the year. those were the only 2 years you werre "close" even though you weren't either time. We also could have made it in '08 and last year but missed by a game each time. We earned our playoff apps and you earned yours, you also earned the but whoopings you got when you actually made it.

The same Vick that led the Eagles to 1-5 start? Even if you want to uplift an average Eagles team, the Jets still lost to Mia. Playing bad teams to end the season is very different than playing teams that rest the starters and have no desire to win.

The stats are from 2000 to 2011.

NYJ: 2001 ( made it with a last minute FG), 2002, (Thanks to Miami choking, the Jets made it at 9-7) 2004, (Clinch becasue of a Buff loss) 2006, 2009 (made it only because Indy resting starters), 2010

Mia: 2000, 2001, 2008

Only 3 more playoff Apps and 7 more wins from 2000 to 2011. One of the best teams in the last decade wouldn't be so close to a team that has been as bad as Miami.

We have already been over the required amount of games argument. The Jets needed help several times to get in and got it, while Miami needed help several times and didn't get it. The Jets have not been one of the best teams in the league the last decade, and they were not elite from 2009 / 2010. They are proving it with their last 2 seasons and will continue to prove it until they make some changes.

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 05:14 PM
The same Vick that led the Eagles to 1-5 start? Even if you want to uplift an average Eagles team, the Jets still lost to Mia. Playing bad teams to end the season is very different than playing teams that rest the starters and have no desire to win.

The stats are from 2000 to 2011.

NYJ: 2001 ( made it with a last minute FG), 2002, (Thanks to Miami choking, the Jets made it at 9-7) 2004, (Clinch becasue of a Buff loss) 2006, 2009 (made it only because Indy resting starters), 2010

Mia: 2000, 2001, 2008

Only 3 more playoff Apps and 7 more wins from 2000 to 2011. One of the best teams in the last decade wouldn't be so close to a team that has been as bad as Miami.

We have already been over the required amount of games argument. The Jets needed help several times to get in and got it, while Miami needed help several times and didn't get it. The Jets have not been one of the best teams in the league the last decade, and they were not elite from 2009 / 2010. They are proving it with their last 2 seasons and will continue to prove it until they make some changes.

yep the same one that led Philyl to 8-3 the year before. You know teams can get better as seasons move along, right? Philly was playing outstanding football late in the year.

I see a ton of excuses so I guess we can say both of your div titles were b/c the Jets choked, right? we were 9-4 in '00 and 8-3 in '08 and we finished 9-7 both years so I can apply that same lac of logic to tyr to take credit away from Miami.

Even adding your ONE playoff win in 2000 we still had FIVE more than you. No matter what way you slice it we have been MUCH better than Miami and one of the best teams in the AFC in the last decade.

you had 2 fake contending seasons ('03, '05), we had chances that we missed out on in '00, '08 and '11 so using your what if logic that's 3 more potential playoff apps. The bottom line is we made 5 more playoff apps and won 6 more playoff games since 2001. No matter how many excuses you make it won't change the facts.

The New Guy
12-05-2012, 05:47 PM
yep the same one that led Philyl to 8-3 the year before. You know teams can get better as seasons move along, right? Philly was playing outstanding football late in the year.

I see a ton of excuses so I guess we can say both of your div titles were b/c the Jets choked, right? we were 9-4 in '00 and 8-3 in '08 and we finished 9-7 both years so I can apply that same lac of logic to tyr to take credit away from Miami.

Even adding your ONE playoff win in 2000 we still had FIVE more than you. No matter what way you slice it we have been MUCH better than Miami and one of the best teams in the AFC in the last decade.

you had 2 fake contending seasons ('03, '05), we had chances that we missed out on in '00, '08 and '11 so using your what if logic that's 3 more potential playoff apps. The bottom line is we made 5 more playoff apps and won 6 more playoff games since 2001. No matter how many excuses you make it won't change the facts.

I'm not the one trying to make the argument that my teams has been 1 of the best in the AFC over a decade.

The 00 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up a game from week 12 on. Going into week 17 Miami didn't need to rely on another team losing (that they did not play) to win the division. The 02 Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games left to play. The Jets had nothing to do with Miami losing the final 2 games. The 08 Jets were tied at 9-5 with a game against each other still left. Miami had everything to do with the Jets loss in week 17. That was not the case with the 02 Jets.

I'm not trying to change the facts. The facts are the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins and 1 less division title than Miami from 2000 to 2011. The Jets went into the final week of the season not knowing if they would make the playoffs or not 8 times in that time span. The other 4 times, they were eliminated long before the final week. That is not one of the best teams in the AFC over that time span.

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 06:31 PM
I'm not the one trying to make the argument that my teams has been 1 of the best in the AFC over a decade.

The 00 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up a game from week 12 on. Going into week 17 Miami didn't need to rely on another team losing (that they did not play) to win the division. The 02 Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games left to play. The Jets had nothing to do with Miami losing the final 2 games. The 08 Jets were tied at 9-5 with a game against each other still left. Miami had everything to do with the Jets loss in week 17. That was not the case with the 02 Jets.

I'm not trying to change the facts. The facts are the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins and 1 less division title than Miami from 2000 to 2011. The Jets went into the final week of the season not knowing if they would make the playoffs or not 8 times in that time span. The other 4 times, they were eliminated long before the final week. That is not one of the best teams in the AFC over that time span.

You aren't trying b/c there isn't anything to back you up unlike the facts that support the Jets. 5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins- clearly one of the best teams in the conf.

The '00 Jets were 6-1, 9-4. Their collapse allowed Miami to win the division.

The only time we relied on a team losing in order to clinch a spot was 2002 and that happened only b/c we started 1-4, 2-5 b/c we had a million injuries.

The jets were done in week 17 of '08, Miami had nothing to do w/ it. we could have played UM and still lost.

The facts are the Jets have 5 more playoff apps since 2001 and 6 more playoff wins. Compare yourself w/ Buffalo as it's much closer.

Miami 2 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Buffalo 0 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins

MUCH closer.

Bingit
12-05-2012, 06:32 PM
you had 2 fake contending seasons ('03, '05), we had chances that we missed out on in '00, '08 and '11 so using your what if logic that's 3 more potential playoff apps. The bottom line is we made 5 more playoff apps and won 6 more playoff games since 2001. No matter how many excuses you make it won't change the facts.

You are funny guy. You talk about how the Jets earned their 2002 division title when they needed to win the final 2 games of the season and needed Miami to lose the final 2 games of the season. Yet you call the Dolphins 03 season fake when they were in the exact same spot. 2 games back with 2 games to go. The Dolphins needed to win the final 2 games and needed Denver to lose the final 2 games. Miami won out but didn't get the help the Jets got when Miami lost the final 2.

You are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Lol!!!

nyjunc
12-05-2012, 06:33 PM
You are funny guy. You talk about how the Jets earned their 2002 division title when they needed to win the final 2 games of the season and needed Miami to lose the final 2 games of the season. Yet you call the Dolphins 03 season fake when they were in the exact same spot. 2 games back with 2 games to go. The Dolphins needed to win the final 2 games and needed Denver to lose the final 2 games. Miami won out but didn't get the help the Jets got when Miami lost the final 2.

You are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Lol!!!

Miami had the chance to control their own destiny in 2003, they lost back to back games to Philly and NE and were virtually out of it.

The only reason we needed help was b/c we were so banged up early in the year that we got off to a 1-4, 2-5 start. we proved the 2nd half of the year we were the best int he division including thrashing NE at NE the week before you guys choked(NE wouldn't lose another home game until 2005).

Bingit
12-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Miami had the chance to control their own destiny in 2003, they lost back to back games to Philly and NE and were virtually out of it.

The only reason we needed help was b/c we were so banged up early in the year that we got off to a 1-4, 2-5 start. we proved the 2nd half of the year we were the best int he division including thrashing NE at NE the week before you guys choked(NE wouldn't lose another home game until 2005).

Needing help is needing help. Both teams were in the exact same situation heading in to the last two games. Both teams won the last 2 games, but the Jets got help and Miami didn't. You are crowing over an achievement that was accomplished on another teams failure, and then have the nerve to say Miami was in fake contention when the situations were identical. You are becoming like your team....a joke. Lol!!

The New Guy
12-05-2012, 07:37 PM
You aren't trying b/c there isn't anything to back you up unlike the facts that support the Jets. 5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins- clearly one of the best teams in the conf.

The '00 Jets were 6-1, 9-4. Their collapse allowed Miami to win the division.

The only time we relied on a team losing in order to clinch a spot was 2002 and that happened only b/c we started 1-4, 2-5 b/c we had a million injuries.

The jets were done in week 17 of '08, Miami had nothing to do w/ it. we could have played UM and still lost.

The facts are the Jets have 5 more playoff apps since 2001 and 6 more playoff wins. Compare yourself w/ Buffalo as it's much closer.

Miami 2 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Buffalo 0 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins

MUCH closer.

No, that is not the facts. Even if you exclude Miami's 2000 playoff app and win, the Jets only have 4 more playoff apps since 2001. From 2000 to 2011 it is only 3 more playoff apps, 1 less division title and only 7 more regular season wins. Prior to 2009, it was only 1 more playoff app. 4 playoff wins in 2 years boost the Jets in the standings, but it doesn't change a decade of mediocre football and make the Jets one of the best in that time span. NE, Pitt, Bal, and Indy are the best AFC teams from 2000 to now. All have a winning percentage above .600; won their division multiple times and have actually made it to the Super Bowl. The Jets belong in the 2nd tier with teams like Den, SD and Tenn.

The 00 Dolphins were 5-2 and only 1 game back. It very different to be a game back with 9 games to play than to be 2 games back with 2 games left to play. The 2002 Jets needed Miami to lose both games to end the season, the 2004 Jets needed a Buff loss the final week, and the 2009 Jets needed Indy to lay down to clinch a spot.

The Dolphins have 2 more playoff apps and 16 more regular season wins than the Bills, and that is close. The Jets have only 3 more playoff apps than the Dolphins and only 7 more wins and we don't compare to that greatness. :lol2: Where is Vaark's photo of the Ostridge looking in the mirror and seeing a reflection of Brad Pitt when you need it. :chuckle:


Miami had everything to do with beating the Jets since they were the team that actually beat them in week 17. The 02 Jets had to rely on Miami losing 2 games to end the season and had nothing to do with it.



Needing help is needing help. Both teams were in the exact same situation heading in to the last two games. Both teams won the last 2 games, but the Jets got help and Miami didn't. You are crowing over an achievement that was accomplished on another teams failure, and then have the nerve to say Miami was in fake contention when the situations were identical. You are becoming like your team....a joke. Lol!!

Things look a lot different when looked at through green lenses. :lol:

PhinzN703
12-05-2012, 07:40 PM
our team is awful, we lost our best O and D players, you guys were penciled into the playoffs a few weeks ago and yet we are still ahead of you.

It doesn't make me happy to be in 2nd in a bad division w/ no realistic shot at the playoffs but for all the talk you guys have done about the jets and every year how I hear Miami is so much better how come we always finish ahead?

It's true. We're all morons and know nothing about the NFL. Our team is **** and we're all going to hell for talking about the playoffs in Week 9 of a 17 Week season.

PhinzN703
12-05-2012, 07:43 PM
we've been one of the best teams in the AFC the last decade or so, I think we are 4th or 5th in playoff wins. You guys don't have a playoff win in the last decade.

The dolphins have not exceeded expectations, teams go from bad to good right away. You were supposedly a playoff team after you beat us. Remember all the Tannehill vs. Luck matchups we'll see? the new Brady vs. Manning. Come on.

Not only one of the best but one of the elite. Remember?

PhinzN703
12-05-2012, 07:45 PM
if the Jets win or lose it doesn't change my life. Sure I am happer when thet win but do you think I am crying in a corner and can't go on w/ my life if they lose? I feel bad for you.

Ah so when you talk to a guy whose favorite team is actually one of the best you say life goes on yet when you engage in chats with us loser Dolphins fans, you're here all day and every day during the week to put us in our place and to speak nothing but truths.

That's telling all in itself.

nyjunc
12-06-2012, 09:33 AM
No, that is not the facts. Even if you exclude Miami's 2000 playoff app and win, the Jets only have 4 more playoff apps since 2001. From 2000 to 2011 it is only 3 more playoff apps, 1 less division title and only 7 more regular season wins. Prior to 2009, it was only 1 more playoff app. 4 playoff wins in 2 years boost the Jets in the standings, but it doesn't change a decade of mediocre football and make the Jets one of the best in that time span. NE, Pitt, Bal, and Indy are the best AFC teams from 2000 to now. All have a winning percentage above .600; won their division multiple times and have actually made it to the Super Bowl. The Jets belong in the 2nd tier with teams like Den, SD and Tenn.

The 00 Dolphins were 5-2 and only 1 game back. It very different to be a game back with 9 games to play than to be 2 games back with 2 games left to play. The 2002 Jets needed Miami to lose both games to end the season, the 2004 Jets needed a Buff loss the final week, and the 2009 Jets needed Indy to lay down to clinch a spot.

The Dolphins have 2 more playoff apps and 16 more regular season wins than the Bills, and that is close. The Jets have only 3 more playoff apps than the Dolphins and only 7 more wins and we don't compare to that greatness. :lol2: Where is Vaark's photo of the Ostridge looking in the mirror and seeing a reflection of Brad Pitt when you need it. :chuckle:


Miami had everything to do with beating the Jets since they were the team that actually beat them in week 17. The 02 Jets had to rely on Miami losing 2 games to end the season and had nothing to do with it.




Things look a lot different when looked at through green lenses. :lol:

I went 2001-2011, a 10 year span. even if you go back to 2000 it's 6 playoff apps to 3 ang 6 playoff wins to 1- still a destruction.

we are in 2012 so keep making the "prior to" excuse but '09 & '10 count.

It's funny how you mention the 4 teams ahead of us but cut it off at Baltimore who has 1 more playoff app since '01 and the same amount of playoff wins.

If we don't choke in '00 or '08 you don't win either div title but we did and you earned it, stop making excuses.


2001-2011:

Jets 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
Miami 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Buf 0 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins

1 of these is not like the other


Needing help is needing help. Both teams were in the exact same situation heading in to the last two games. Both teams won the last 2 games, but the Jets got help and Miami didn't. You are crowing over an achievement that was accomplished on another teams failure, and then have the nerve to say Miami was in fake contention when the situations were identical. You are becoming like your team....a joke. Lol!!

you faced NE who you had to beat to stay alive, we didn't have that opportunity in week 15, we did in week 167 of '02 and we crushed NE at Foxboro.


Ah so when you talk to a guy whose favorite team is actually one of the best you say life goes on yet when you engage in chats with us loser Dolphins fans, you're here all day and every day during the week to put us in our place and to speak nothing but truths.

That's telling all in itself.

it sounds like you have issues w/ that, is there something you want to talk about? maybe w/ a professional?

PhinzN703
12-07-2012, 12:52 AM
it sounds like you have issues w/ that, is there something you want to talk about? maybe w/ a professional?

You're already a shrink too aren't you? You're never wrong and are here to bring peace to this site full of delusional dolts.

nyjunc
12-07-2012, 09:06 AM
You're already a shrink too aren't you? You're never wrong and are here to bring peace to this site full of delusional dolts.

If you'd like to speak I can help you. I'm here for you.

Bumpus
12-07-2012, 10:43 AM
he didn't deserve to be benchec before yesterday.

I don't want to make excuses and ultimately he is judged on his performance regardless of circumstances but he doesn't have much help.

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The New Guy
12-07-2012, 01:13 PM
I went 2001-2011, a 10 year span. even if you go back to 2000 it's 6 playoff apps to 3 ang 6 playoff wins to 1- still a destruction.

we are in 2012 so keep making the "prior to" excuse but '09 & '10 count.

It's funny how you mention the 4 teams ahead of us but cut it off at Baltimore who has 1 more playoff app since '01 and the same amount of playoff wins.

If we don't choke in '00 or '08 you don't win either div title but we did and you earned it, stop making excuses.


2001-2011:

Jets 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
Miami 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Buf 0 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins

1 of these is not like the other


2001 to 2011 is 11 NFL seasons. You don't like to back up 1 more year because it adds another Dolphins playoff app and win and does not add any for the Jets. 3 more playoff apps is not the difference between one of the worst teams over that time span and one of the best. The Dolphins were definitely one of the worst, so that only leaves one other option. 09 / 10 count, but I am just pointing out how close the Jets were to Miami prior to that. 2 crazy runs in 09 / 10 (that account for nearly 70% of the Jets playoff win total over that time) does not change nearly a decade of mediocre football.


I cut it off at Bal because that is the last of the best teams from 2000 to 2012. The rest do not qualify. Bal has a Super Bowl win, 2 more division titles (on their way to 3 more) and a .604 winning % (compared to Jets .515) It is funny how the best teams continue to be the best while the Jets keep hovering around .500 like they have the past decade.

The 2000 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up at least 1 game from week 12 on, so how exactly did Miami need them to choke? The 02 Jets were 2 games back with 2 games to play and they wouldn't play Miami in either game. The 08 Dolphins and Jets were both 9-5 entering the last 3 games of the season. They would play each other in week 17. Miami didn't need the Jets to blow those games against other teams. Even if the Jets kept pace, Miami would beat the Jets themselves in week 17 to give them the division title. That is totally different than the Jets needing to rely on other teams like they did in several of their playoff apps. Those are not excuses, they are the facts.

nyjunc
12-07-2012, 01:19 PM
2001 to 2011 is 11 NFL seasons. You don't like to back up 1 more year because it adds another Dolphins playoff app and win and does not add any for the Jets. 3 more playoff apps is not the difference between one of the worst teams over that time span and one of the best. The Dolphins were definitely one of the worst, so that only leaves one other option. 09 / 10 count, but I am just pointing out how close the Jets were to Miami prior to that. 2 crazy runs in 09 / 10 (that account for nearly 70% of the Jets playoff win total over that time) does not change nearly a decade of mediocre football.


I cut it off at Bal because that is the last of the best teams from 2000 to 2012. The rest do not qualify. Bal has a Super Bowl win, 2 more division titles (on their way to 3 more) and a .604 winning % (compared to Jets .515) It is funny how the best teams continue to be the best while the Jets keep hovering around .500 like they have the past decade.

The 2000 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up at least 1 game from week 12 on, so how exactly did Miami need them to choke? The 02 Jets were 2 games back with 2 games to play and they wouldn't play Miami in either game. The 08 Dolphins and Jets were both 9-5 entering the last 3 games of the season. They would play each other in week 17. Miami didn't need the Jets to blow those games against other teams. Even if the Jets kept pace, Miami would beat the Jets themselves in week 17 to give them the division title. That is totally different than the Jets needing to rely on other teams like they did in several of their playoff apps. Those are not excuses, they are the facts.

I know but I took a 10 year(not season) period. obviously '02-'11 makes us look better than '00-'11 though we still are one of the best either way and still far ahead of Miami.

so let's take away the Giants SBs the last 5 years then too. Did '09 & '10 happen? then stop whining about it. I can say 100% of your SB wins came in a 2 year period, take those 2 years away and you have none.

Miami won the div by 2 games over us, we held the tiebreakers based on sweeping you and we went 0-3 the last 3 weeks and lost 6 of our last 9. We handed you the division based on your logic.

we were a DEAD team in week 17 in '08 and we atill nearly beat you. we blew the division the weeks prior where our only win was a defensive TD late against Buf as they were trying to run out the clock.

The New Guy
12-07-2012, 01:53 PM
I know but I took a 10 year(not season) period. obviously '02-'11 makes us look better than '00-'11 though we still are one of the best either way and still far ahead of Miami.

so let's take away the Giants SBs the last 5 years then too. Did '09 & '10 happen? then stop whining about it. I can say 100% of your SB wins came in a 2 year period, take those 2 years away and you have none.

Miami won the div by 2 games over us, we held the tiebreakers based on sweeping you and we went 0-3 the last 3 weeks and lost 6 of our last 9. We handed you the division based on your logic.

we were a DEAD team in week 17 in '08 and we atill nearly beat you. we blew the division the weeks prior where our only win was a defensive TD late against Buf as they were trying to run out the clock.

Are you trying to say that Super Bowl wins are the same as playoff wins that result in nothing? They are completely different.

The 2000 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up at least 1 game from week 12 on and won the division by 2 games at 11-5. The 02 Jets were down 2 games with 2 games to go and the won the division on a tie breaker at 9-7. That is not even close to being the same. What happens early in the season can be overcome. When you still need to rely on another team (that you don't even play) losing in order to make it (in the last week or 2), is completely different. That was the case with the Jets in several seasons, and was not the case with the 00, or 08 Dolphins.

nyjunc
12-07-2012, 02:06 PM
Are you trying to say that Super Bowl wins are the same as playoff wins that result in nothing? They are completely different.

The 2000 Jets never had a better record the last 7 games of the season. Miami was up at least 1 game from week 12 on and won the division by 2 games at 11-5. The 02 Jets were down 2 games with 2 games to go and the won the division on a tie breaker at 9-7. That is not even close to being the same. What happens early in the season can be overcome. When you still need to rely on another team (that you don't even play) losing in order to make it (in the last week or 2), is completely different. That was the case with the Jets in several seasons, and was not the case with the 00, or 08 Dolphins.

ohhhh we can remove our playoff wins from a 2 year span but not your SB wins, got it:rolleyes2:

the 2000 Jets held the tiebreaker, the 200 Jets lost 6 of their last 9. If they went just 5-4 instead of 3-6 we win the division but we lost our last 3 and 6 of 9. I'm using your weak excuses here.

the only season we relied on teams losing week 17 was 2002. In 2008 you needed us to lose 4 of 5 to end the season, in 2000 you needed us to lose 6 of 9.

The bottom line is this, you guys have ONE playoff app since 2002, you have ONE playoff win since 2000. You are far beneath us in recent, relevant times. Even as bad as we were last year we were ahead of you, as bad as we have been this year we will likely finish ahead of you.

The New Guy
12-07-2012, 02:31 PM
ohhhh we can remove our playoff wins from a 2 year span but not your SB wins, got it:rolleyes2:

the 2000 Jets held the tiebreaker, the 200 Jets lost 6 of their last 9. If they went just 5-4 instead of 3-6 we win the division but we lost our last 3 and 6 of 9. I'm using your weak excuses here.

the only season we relied on teams losing week 17 was 2002. In 2008 you needed us to lose 4 of 5 to end the season, in 2000 you needed us to lose 6 of 9.

The bottom line is this, you guys have ONE playoff app since 2002, you have ONE playoff win since 2000. You are far beneath us in recent, relevant times. Even as bad as we were last year we were ahead of you, as bad as we have been this year we will likely finish ahead of you.

So you do think meaningless playoff wins are the same as Super Bowl wins. That makes me understand why you think the Jets have been elite the past few years. :lol:

The 2000 Dolphins were never behind the Jets in the standing from week 12 on. Again, the 08 Dolphins and Jets were both 9-5 entering the last 3 games of the season. They would play each other in week 17. Miami didn't need to rely on someone else taking care of business against the Jets since they would play them at the end of the season. Even if the Jets were able to keep pace, Miami would take care of business themselves in week 17. The Dolphins didn't need to rely on anyone other than themselves. The same can not be said about the Jets who needed other teams to beat the Dolphins twice (the last 2 games of the season) in 02, and who needed Buff to lose in week 17 in 04, and needed Indy to lay down for them in 09. One of the best teams of the decade don't need those things to happen to make the playoffs.

The Dolphins have been really bad over that time span. I'm not saying otherwise.

Bad is bad and missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs. I'm glad finishing a couple games better than a 6-10 team makes you feel better about the Jets. You will feel really good about next year if / when you finish ahead of teams like Buff, SD, Oak, Tenn, and Cle.:lol:

If you want to go with the most recent history, why don't you start with the new decade? The Jets will have missed the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years while the best teams over that time span continue to be the best.

nyjunc
12-07-2012, 02:59 PM
So you do think meaningless playoff wins are the same as Super Bowl wins. That makes me understand why you think the Jets have been elite the past few years. :lol:

The 2000 Dolphins were never behind the Jets in the standing from week 12 on. Again, the 08 Dolphins and Jets were both 9-5 entering the last 3 games of the season. They would play each other in week 17. Miami didn't need to rely on someone else taking care of business against the Jets since they would play them at the end of the season. Even if the Jets were able to keep pace, Miami would take care of business themselves in week 17. The Dolphins didn't need to rely on anyone other than themselves. The same can not be said about the Jets who needed other teams to beat the Dolphins twice (the last 2 games of the season) in 02, and who needed Buff to lose in week 17 in 04, and needed Indy to lay down for them in 09. One of the best teams of the decade don't need those things to happen to make the playoffs.

The Dolphins have been really bad over that time span. I'm not saying otherwise.

Bad is bad and missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs. I'm glad finishing a couple games better than a 6-10 team makes you feel better about the Jets. You will feel really good about next year if / when you finish ahead of teams like Buff, SD, Oak, Tenn, and Cle.:lol:

If you want to go with the most recent history, why don't you start with the new decade? The Jets will have missed the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years while the best teams over that time span continue to be the best.

I am using YOUR flawed logic. You want to take away our 2 most successful recent seasons to try to make us look worse than we have actually been.

Again, the Jets held the tiebreakers and lost our last 3 and 6 of 9, using your flawed logic we gave you the division.

We only needed Miami to choke in 2002, we've been over the '04 scenario before. We essentially had a playoff spot clinched after week 15.

You played 3 non playoff bound opponents in 2009 including 2 at home and you lost all 3. It's not our fault teams like Miami choked. Buf had Pitt backups at HOME in '04 and lost, we faced Hou backups needing 1 win in '93 and lost. Nothing is guaranteed but once in we proved we belonged unlike the 2008 dolphins who got thrashed at home in the WC rd.

It doesn't make me feel better but how can you make fun of my team when it is always better than your team?

In this new decade we have 1 playoff app, 2 playoff wins, you have zero of both- we still win and we still have the most title game apps of any team in the league(though we are tied for that lead as well as tied for the lead in AFC playoff wins).

The New Guy
12-07-2012, 03:44 PM
I am using YOUR flawed logic. You want to take away our 2 most successful recent seasons to try to make us look worse than we have actually been.

Again, the Jets held the tiebreakers and lost our last 3 and 6 of 9, using your flawed logic we gave you the division.

We only needed Miami to choke in 2002, we've been over the '04 scenario before. We essentially had a playoff spot clinched after week 15.

You played 3 non playoff bound opponents in 2009 including 2 at home and you lost all 3. It's not our fault teams like Miami choked. Buf had Pitt backups at HOME in '04 and lost, we faced Hou backups needing 1 win in '93 and lost. Nothing is guaranteed but once in we proved we belonged unlike the 2008 dolphins who got thrashed at home in the WC rd.

It doesn't make me feel better but how can you make fun of my team when it is always better than your team?

In this new decade we have 1 playoff app, 2 playoff wins, you have zero of both- we still win and we still have the most title game apps of any team in the league(though we are tied for that lead as well as tied for the lead in AFC playoff wins).


It is impossible to use my logic when the situations were completely different. You can't compare the Jets losing games early in the season to needing the Dolphins to lose the final two games of the season to clinch a spot on a tie breaker at 9-7. The Jets were 2 games back with 2 games to go and wouldn't play the Dolphins again. The Dolphins were up a game from week 12 on in 2001 and won the division by 2 games at 11-5. In 2008, they were tied at 9-5 with a game against the Jets still on the schedule. Those situations are nothing alike.

We have been over it, and you have been proven wrong. The Jets clinched nothing in week 15 of 2004. They could have, but they failed to take care of business losing 3 of their last 4 games. If Buff hadn't lost, they would have been eliminated. The difference from the Jets making it or not came down to weather another team won or lost for them. That is not how one of the best teams over a decade gets into the playoffs.

I'm not making fun of your team, I am disputing your claim that they have been one of the best teams from 2000 to the present. Anytime someone points out the facts that show that they were not, you come back with how much better the Jets are than the Dolphins. Being better than the Dolphins has nothing to do with being one of the best teams in the AFC.

The Dolphins have had their worst 12 years in franchise history while the Jets have had their best 12 years in franchise history. You should have been better 12 out of 12 years and had a lot more playoff apps if your team was really one of the best. The truth is, they have not been.

The facts are the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than a franchise that has been struggling for 12 years. Prior to 2009 / 10, the stats were nearly identical to Miami's. Those count, but 2 crazy runs that racked up 70% of the playoff win total doesn't change what happened the last decade.

nyjunc
12-07-2012, 04:52 PM
It is impossible to use my logic when the situations were completely different. You can't compare the Jets losing games early in the season to needing the Dolphins to lose the final two games of the season to clinch a spot on a tie breaker at 9-7. The Jets were 2 games back with 2 games to go and wouldn't play the Dolphins again. The Dolphins were up a game from week 12 on in 2001 and won the division by 2 games at 11-5. In 2008, they were tied at 9-5 with a game against the Jets still on the schedule. Those situations are nothing alike.

We have been over it, and you have been proven wrong. The Jets clinched nothing in week 15 of 2004. They could have, but they failed to take care of business losing 3 of their last 4 games. If Buff hadn't lost, they would have been eliminated. The difference from the Jets making it or not came down to weather another team won or lost for them. That is not how one of the best teams over a decade gets into the playoffs.

I'm not making fun of your team, I am disputing your claim that they have been one of the best teams from 2000 to the present. Anytime someone points out the facts that show that they were not, you come back with how much better the Jets are than the Dolphins. Being better than the Dolphins has nothing to do with being one of the best teams in the AFC.

The Dolphins have had their worst 12 years in franchise history while the Jets have had their best 12 years in franchise history. You should have been better 12 out of 12 years and had a lot more playoff apps if your team was really one of the best. The truth is, they have not been.

The facts are the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than a franchise that has been struggling for 12 years. Prior to 2009 / 10, the stats were nearly identical to Miami's. Those count, but 2 crazy runs that racked up 70% of the playoff win total doesn't change what happened the last decade.

losing games early in the season? I said we lost our last 3 in '00 and 6 of 9, we lost 4 of 5 in 2008. using your logic you didn't earn either div title, we handed them to you.

I haven't been proven wrong, we didn't need to win a game after week 15 so essentially we clinched w/ our week 15 win and again we only needed a tie in week 17. There's no way we attempt a 50+ yd FG late in OT if we didn't know Buf had lost.

You can use the 12 worst years excuse but every decade Miami is getting worse. SB wins in the 70s, sb apps in the 80s, 1 title game app in the 90s, 1 playoff win in the 00s.

we have 6 more playoff wins since 2001, 5 more since '00. You have 1 playoff win since '00, your last title game app was 1992. we have been much better for a LONG time and that will likely continue b/c we have a down year here and there but alway bounce back, you guys stay down.

PhinzN703
12-07-2012, 07:30 PM
ohhhh we can remove our playoff wins from a 2 year span but not your SB wins, got it:rolleyes2:

the 2000 Jets held the tiebreaker, the 200 Jets lost 6 of their last 9. If they went just 5-4 instead of 3-6 we win the division but we lost our last 3 and 6 of 9. I'm using your weak excuses here.

the only season we relied on teams losing week 17 was 2002. In 2008 you needed us to lose 4 of 5 to end the season, in 2000 you needed us to lose 6 of 9.

The bottom line is this, you guys have ONE playoff app since 2002, you have ONE playoff win since 2000. You are far beneath us in recent, relevant times. Even as bad as we were last year we were ahead of you, as bad as we have been this year we will likely finish ahead of you.

Yet your team is **** when talking about elite teams. The Jets being better than the Dolphins isn't saying anything. You should be insulted with any comparisons yet you're the one always making them.

The New Guy
12-07-2012, 07:43 PM
losing games early in the season? I said we lost our last 3 in '00 and 6 of 9, we lost 4 of 5 in 2008. using your logic you didn't earn either div title, we handed them to you.

I haven't been proven wrong, we didn't need to win a game after week 15 so essentially we clinched w/ our week 15 win and again we only needed a tie in week 17. There's no way we attempt a 50+ yd FG late in OT if we didn't know Buf had lost.

You can use the 12 worst years excuse but every decade Miami is getting worse. SB wins in the 70s, sb apps in the 80s, 1 title game app in the 90s, 1 playoff win in the 00s.

we have 6 more playoff wins since 2001, 5 more since '00. You have 1 playoff win since '00, your last title game app was 1992. we have been much better for a LONG time and that will likely continue b/c we have a down year here and there but alway bounce back, you guys stay down.


The Dolphins were never behind the Jets in 00 from week 12 on. The Dolphins were tied at 9-5 with 3 games to go and beat the Jets themselves in week 17 in 08. That is not needing help. If the Jets were ahead late in the season before losing more games, that would be different. Here is a good example: the Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games to go in 02. That is needing help. The Jets lost 3 of 4 in 06 and would not have made it had Buff won. That is needing help.



2 Super Bowl wins,
5 Super Bowl apps
13 AFCE titles
22 NFL playoff apps

All of that while getting worse each decade. :up: Let's compare that to the Elite Jets who have been one of the best AFC teams for a decade now. :lol:

1 AFL / NFL Championship
0 Conference Championships
2 AFCE titles
12 NFL playoff apps

Man, if the Dolphins could only be like the Jets.:lol:

It is not an excuse. I can't think of another 12 year period that was worse than the last 12 years and the Jets are barley ahead in playoff apps and regular season wins. Bragging about being little better in that time frame is laughable. Your team should have been way more ahead than they are. Thinking they will continue to be, is even more funny. The Jets are on the verge of a complete overhaul. I don't know what the future holds for the Dolphins, but I know right now it looks much better than the Jets.

You absolutely were proven wrong. You make assumptions and call them facts. I gave you quotes from the head coaches and players that say the complete opposite of what you claim. The fact is, the Jets lost 3 of their last 4 and needed Buff to lose the final game of the season to get in. There is no getting around that. The best teams don't back in like that.

Jdiddy8four
12-08-2012, 02:13 AM
The Dolphins were never behind the Jets in 00 from week 12 on. The Dolphins were tied at 9-5 with 3 games to go and beat the Jets themselves in week 17 in 08. That is not needing help. If the Jets were ahead late in the season before losing more games, that would be different. Here is a good example: the Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games to go in 02. That is needing help. The Jets lost 3 of 4 in 06 and would not have made it had Buff won. That is needing help.



2 Super Bowl wins,
5 Super Bowl apps
13 AFCE titles
22 NFL playoff apps

All of that while getting worse each decade. :up: Let's compare that to the Elite Jets who have been one of the best AFC teams for a decade now. :lol:

1 AFL / NFL Championship
0 Conference Championships
2 AFCE titles
12 NFL playoff apps

Man, if the Dolphins could only be like the Jets.:lol:

It is not an excuse. I can't think of another 12 year period that was worse than the last 12 years and the Jets are barley ahead in playoff apps and regular season wins. Bragging about being little better in that time frame is laughable. Your team should have been way more ahead than they are. Thinking they will continue to be, is even more funny. The Jets are on the verge of a complete overhaul. I don't know what the future holds for the Dolphins, but I know right now it looks much better than the Jets.

You absolutely were proven wrong. You make assumptions and call them facts. I gave you quotes from the head coaches and players that say the complete opposite of what you claim. The fact is, the Jets lost 3 of their last 4 and needed Buff to lose the final game of the season to get in. There is no getting around that. The best teams don't back in like that.


Well said.

PhinzN703
12-09-2012, 12:37 AM
The Dolphins were never behind the Jets in 00 from week 12 on. The Dolphins were tied at 9-5 with 3 games to go and beat the Jets themselves in week 17 in 08. That is not needing help. If the Jets were ahead late in the season before losing more games, that would be different. Here is a good example: the Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games to go in 02. That is needing help. The Jets lost 3 of 4 in 06 and would not have made it had Buff won. That is needing help.



2 Super Bowl wins,
5 Super Bowl apps
13 AFCE titles
22 NFL playoff apps

All of that while getting worse each decade. :up: Let's compare that to the Elite Jets who have been one of the best AFC teams for a decade now. :lol:

1 AFL / NFL Championship
0 Conference Championships
2 AFCE titles
12 NFL playoff apps

Man, if the Dolphins could only be like the Jets.:lol:

It is not an excuse. I can't think of another 12 year period that was worse than the last 12 years and the Jets are barley ahead in playoff apps and regular season wins. Bragging about being little better in that time frame is laughable. Your team should have been way more ahead than they are. Thinking they will continue to be, is even more funny. The Jets are on the verge of a complete overhaul. I don't know what the future holds for the Dolphins, but I know right now it looks much better than the Jets.

You absolutely were proven wrong. You make assumptions and call them facts. I gave you quotes from the head coaches and players that say the complete opposite of what you claim. The fact is, the Jets lost 3 of their last 4 and needed Buff to lose the final game of the season to get in. There is no getting around that. The best teams don't back in like that.

More power to you if you like comparing which pile of dog **** smells better

The New Guy
12-10-2012, 09:53 AM
More power to you if you like comparing which pile of dog **** smells better

Hardly! I am very proud of the Miami Dolphins history. Few teams have a better one. That being said, it has been a long time since the Dolphins have been relevant. I don't deny that. I only brought it up since Junc seems to think that these last 12 years is similar to what the Dolphins have done in their entire history. We have been getting worse each decade and these last 12 years have been the worst. The last 12 years have nothing to do with 70's, 80's and 90's, and is not an indication of how this team will perform in the future.

My main point was, as bad as these last 12 years have been, I'll still take them when they come with the rest of the Miami Dolphins history. I wouldn't trade the last 12 years for the Jets last 12 years (Especially since they have not won anything), when I have to take the rest of the Jets history along with it.

nyjunc
12-11-2012, 09:24 AM
The Dolphins were never behind the Jets in 00 from week 12 on. The Dolphins were tied at 9-5 with 3 games to go and beat the Jets themselves in week 17 in 08. That is not needing help. If the Jets were ahead late in the season before losing more games, that would be different. Here is a good example: the Jets were 2 games behind Miami with 2 games to go in 02. That is needing help. The Jets lost 3 of 4 in 06 and would not have made it had Buff won. That is needing help.



2 Super Bowl wins,
5 Super Bowl apps
13 AFCE titles
22 NFL playoff apps

All of that while getting worse each decade. :up: Let's compare that to the Elite Jets who have been one of the best AFC teams for a decade now. :lol:

1 AFL / NFL Championship
0 Conference Championships
2 AFCE titles
12 NFL playoff apps

Man, if the Dolphins could only be like the Jets.:lol:

It is not an excuse. I can't think of another 12 year period that was worse than the last 12 years and the Jets are barley ahead in playoff apps and regular season wins. Bragging about being little better in that time frame is laughable. Your team should have been way more ahead than they are. Thinking they will continue to be, is even more funny. The Jets are on the verge of a complete overhaul. I don't know what the future holds for the Dolphins, but I know right now it looks much better than the Jets.

You absolutely were proven wrong. You make assumptions and call them facts. I gave you quotes from the head coaches and players that say the complete opposite of what you claim. The fact is, the Jets lost 3 of their last 4 and needed Buff to lose the final game of the season to get in. There is no getting around that. The best teams don't back in like that.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/12/4908233ftifwid380cvtjpeg-1.jpg

Now taking shot calling our SB win then AFL/NFL championship? it was actually the first one to be called the Super Bowl and the single most significant game in pro football history.

It's awesome you guys were great in the 70s and really good most of the 80s but what does that have to do w/ recent, relevant history? Even when we absolutely suck we are still better than you and I love that it burns you up that you have to start talking about the 70s when you had a 2 year run of SBs inclduing the weakest sched ever for a SB champ in 1972. Miami has a better overall history but it's been a LONG time since you were consistently better than us. Sorry the truth hurts.

on the verge of a complete overhaul? we are ONE game out of a playoff spot despite all the injuries and all the drama. We'll make some moves w/o a doubt but there is not a complete overhaul on the horizon. We have a winning organization now and we only need to tweak.

head coaches never lie so you got me on that quote!:lol: use common sense for a change please.

The Giants made it at 9-7, they "backed in" acccording to you in 2007 so I guess sometimes they do "back in"(even though there is no such thing as backing in).


Hardly! I am very proud of the Miami Dolphins history. Few teams have a better one. That being said, it has been a long time since the Dolphins have been relevant. I don't deny that. I only brought it up since Junc seems to think that these last 12 years is similar to what the Dolphins have done in their entire history. We have been getting worse each decade and these last 12 years have been the worst. The last 12 years have nothing to do with 70's, 80's and 90's, and is not an indication of how this team will perform in the future.

My main point was, as bad as these last 12 years have been, I'll still take them when they come with the rest of the Miami Dolphins history. I wouldn't trade the last 12 years for the Jets last 12 years (Especially since they have not won anything), when I have to take the rest of the Jets history along with it.

Many teams have better histories than Miami, you were great for about a decade but it's been a LONG time since you were a top team and you only have 2 SB titles just 1 more than the lowly Jets so stop pretending you are the Yankees of the NFL.

You would trade the last 12 years b/c my team has been one of the best in the AFC, never THE best which sucks but we had SB chances many times which is somethingMiami hasn't been able to say probably since 1994 when the AFC was a joke and they choked at SD.

The New Guy
12-12-2012, 05:00 PM
Now taking shot calling our SB win then AFL/NFL championship? it was actually the first one to be called the Super Bowl and the single most significant game in pro football history.

Is that not what it was? Were the Jets not part of the AFL and the Colts not part of the NFL? Yes, it was the first to be called the Super Bowl and the two previous AFL-NFL Championship Games also came to be known, retroactively, as "Super Bowls", but the fact is, they were AFL-NFL Championships. Sorry if that offends you.




It's awesome you guys were great in the 70s and really good most of the 80s but what does that have to do w/ recent, relevant history? Even when we absolutely suck we are still better than you and I love that it burns you up that you have to start talking about the 70s when you had a 2 year run of SBs inclduing the weakest sched ever for a SB champ in 1972. Miami has a better overall history but it's been a LONG time since you were consistently better than us. Sorry the truth hurts.

You are the one who brought it up first and the one who seems to think that the 70's and 80's has something to do with recent, relevant history. You say we have been getting worse each decade and act like that has something to do with how this team will perform in the future. It is a funny thing to hear coming from a Jets fan. I simply pointed out how much better (even getting worse each decade) the Dolphins have been than the Jets. The Jets need another 2 decades of Miami being at their worst and the Jets being at their best to start to compare.




on the verge of a complete overhaul? we are ONE game out of a playoff spot despite all the injuries and all the drama. We'll make some moves w/o a doubt but there is not a complete overhaul on the horizon. We have a winning organization now and we only need to tweak.

Have you not watched any Jets games this year? The Jets are riding their first two game win streak of the season by beating two great teams in AZ and Jax. The Jets needed to bring in their 3rd string QB in order to beat AZ by 1 point. The same team that got thrashed 58-0 the next week by Seattle. The Jags have lost 11 games and only 4 (including the Jets win) have been within 7 points. The 6-7 Jets are 1 game out of a playoff spot. The 5-8 Dolphins are 2 games out. So what? I know it is fun as a fan to get exited about that, but reality is, neither team is going to or deserves to go to the playoffs. You can use the injury excuse all you want, but the Jets have way more problems than the injuries to some key players. The Jets are most likely stuck with Sanchez for another year. I know you think that every year that this will finally be the year that Sanchez takes the next step, but he has regressed yet again. I'm certain we will be hearing how much better he will be next year when they get him some more help. :rolleyes2: I doubt the Jets will blow things up at the end of this year, but 1 more year of being a media joke off and on the field, and Woody will certainly make some big changes.



head coaches never lie so you got me on that quote!:lol: use common sense for a change please.

Why would Edwards and the Jets players lie when it makes them look bad? They played to win the game. You can speculate on whether the Jets would have attempted a 52 yard FG in OT or not, but even if they punted instead, who says the Jets would have been able to stop the Rams from getting into FG range and winning the game anyways? It was the Rams 3rd possession in OT. Here is what we know for sure; the Jets lost the game and needed Buff to lose in order to get in. Those are the facts.




The Giants made it at 9-7, they "backed in" acccording to you in 2007 so I guess sometimes they do "back in"(even though there is no such thing as backing in).

The Giants actually won 3 out of their last 4 (beating Dallas twice themselves) to win the division. They weren't 2 games behind Dallas with two games to go. They didn't lose 3 out of their last 4 and need some other team to beat Dallas for them to clinch a spot. They did it themselves. They also won the Super Bowl. :up:




Many teams have better histories than Miami, you were great for about a decade but it's been a LONG time since you were a top team and you only have 2 SB titles just 1 more than the lowly Jets so stop pretending you are the Yankees of the NFL.

You would trade the last 12 years b/c my team has been one of the best in the AFC, never THE best which sucks but we had SB chances many times which is somethingMiami hasn't been able to say probably since 1994 when the AFC was a joke and they choked at SD.

The Dolphins have the 3rd highest winning % in NFL history. Only 4 teams have been to more Super Bowls. Only 8 teams have won more Super Bowls. Only 8 teams have more playoff wins. The Dolphins are the only team in NFL history to ever complete an undefeated season.

The Jets have 1 less Super Bowl win, 4 fewer Super Bowl apps, 10 less playoff apps, 11 fewer AFCE titles, 45 less franchise wins (despite being in the league 6 years longer), 10 less of winning 11 or more games in a season.

Why in the world would I trade histories for the Jets last 12 years? :lol: Especially when the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than the lowly Dolphins during the same time period. :lol2: I would probably trade for the Patriots last 12 years, but certainly not the Jets.

nyjunc
12-12-2012, 05:24 PM
Is that not what it was? Were the Jets not part of the AFL and the Colts not part of the NFL? Yes, it was the first to be called the Super Bowl and the two previous AFL-NFL Championship Games also came to be known, retroactively, as "Super Bowls", but the fact is, they were AFL-NFL Championships. Sorry if that offends you.




You are the one who brought it up first and the one who seems to think that the 70's and 80's has something to do with recent, relevant history. You say we have been getting worse each decade and act like that has something to do with how this team will perform in the future. It is a funny thing to hear coming from a Jets fan. I simply pointed out how much better (even getting worse each decade) the Dolphins have been than the Jets. The Jets need another 2 decades of Miami being at their worst and the Jets being at their best to start to compare.




Have you not watched any Jets games this year? The Jets are riding their first two game win streak of the season by beating two great teams in AZ and Jax. The Jets needed to bring in their 3rd string QB in order to beat AZ by 1 point. The same team that got thrashed 58-0 the next week by Seattle. The Jags have lost 11 games and only 4 (including the Jets win) have been within 7 points. The 6-7 Jets are 1 game out of a playoff spot. The 5-8 Dolphins are 2 games out. So what? I know it is fun as a fan to get exited about that, but reality is, neither team is going to or deserves to go to the playoffs. You can use the injury excuse all you want, but the Jets have way more problems than the injuries to some key players. The Jets are most likely stuck with Sanchez for another year. I know you think that every year that this will finally be the year that Sanchez takes the next step, but he has regressed yet again. I'm certain we will be hearing how much better he will be next year when they get him some more help. :rolleyes2: I doubt the Jets will blow things up at the end of this year, but 1 more year of being a media joke off and on the field, and Woody will certainly make some big changes.



Why would Edwards and the Jets players lie when it makes them look bad? They played to win the game. You can speculate on whether the Jets would have attempted a 52 yard FG in OT or not, but even if they punted instead, who says the Jets would have been able to stop the Rams from getting into FG range and winning the game anyways? It was the Rams 3rd possession in OT. Here is what we know for sure; the Jets lost the game and needed Buff to lose in order to get in. Those are the facts.




The Giants actually won 3 out of their last 4 (beating Dallas twice themselves) to win the division. They weren't 2 games behind Dallas with two games to go. They didn't lose 3 out of their last 4 and need some other team to beat Dallas for them to clinch a spot. They did it themselves. They also won the Super Bowl. :up:




The Dolphins have the 3rd highest winning % in NFL history. Only 4 teams have been to more Super Bowls. Only 8 teams have won more Super Bowls. Only 8 teams have more playoff wins. The Dolphins are the only team in NFL history to ever complete an undefeated season.

The Jets have 1 less Super Bowl win, 4 fewer Super Bowl apps, 10 less playoff apps, 11 fewer AFCE titles, 45 less franchise wins (despite being in the league 6 years longer), 10 less of winning 11 or more games in a season.

Why in the world would I trade histories for the Jets last 12 years? :lol: Especially when the Jets only have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than the lowly Dolphins during the same time period. :lol2: I would probably trade for the Patriots last 12 years, but certainly not the Jets.

it was still a SB, right? and we beat a team much better than the 2 you beat.


It's been a LONG time since you were consistently better than us, I know it burns you up and I love it.


We stink this year but even when we stink we are in the playoff race. Amazing, isn't it? a team is not getting in at 8-8, we have a chance at 9-7. You aren't in the race despite only being a game back.

The Jets D is very good and will get better w/ Revis back and the continued development of Wilkerson and Coples.

Offensively we need weapons but w/ good health we'll have Holmes, Braylon, Kerley, Keller, Hill. That's a pretty good group when healthy. The RBs are playing much better as is the OL but we could still use upgrades. we don't need an overhaul, we need some tweaking.

No coach or player is going to say they would have played for a tie.

but we won 5 of our last 6 in '09 and supposedly backed in.

They needed Dallas to choke losing 4 of their last 5 to win the division.

congrats on win %, let me know when they give trophies out for win %. You only have TWO SB titles, 1 more than us. You aren't anywhere near the discussion for best franchise.

in the last decade we have 4 more playoff apps and 5 more playoff wins. If you wouldn't trade our last decade or so I can't help you, enjoy that win % thing as it is completely meaningless.

The New Guy
12-12-2012, 06:06 PM
it was still a SB, right? and we beat a team much better than the 2 you beat.

No, it was called a Super Bowl, but it was actually an AFL / NFL Championship game.




It's been a LONG time since you were consistently better than us, I know it burns you up and I love it.

I've never said otherwise. I'm glad you thinking that it burns me up brings you so much joy. In your best 12 years as a franchise you have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than the Dolphins in their worst. The Jets haven't won anything meaningful in that time period. That burns me so bad. :lol:





We stink this year but even when we stink we are in the playoff race. Amazing, isn't it? a team is not getting in at 8-8, we have a chance at 9-7. You aren't in the race despite only being a game back.

It's fools gold. Get back to me in a few weeks.




The Jets D is very good and will get better w/ Revis back and the continued development of Wilkerson and Coples.
Offensively we need weapons but w/ good health we'll have Holmes, Braylon, Kerley, Keller, Hill. That's a pretty good group when healthy. The RBs are playing much better as is the OL but we could still use upgrades. we don't need an overhaul, we need some tweaking.

Last year it was because of the injuries to the O-line, this year it is the injuries to Revis and Holmes. Next year it will be something else. Holmes will be coming back from foot surgery, Braylon hasn't been the same player since his knee injury, Keller seem to have become injury prone and Hill looks more like a bust than a boom right now. Sanchez will still be your QB and if they get rid of Tony he will be learning another new offense. If they don't get rid of Tony, they will still have Tony. :lol: You should have plenty of excuses for Sanchez.




but we won 5 of our last 6 in '09 and supposedly backed in.

I think you know why that was different. :up: Hint; it has something to do with a team not playing their starters.




They needed Dallas to choke losing 4 of their last 5 to win the division.

Wrong again. They were only 1 game back of Dallas with 5 games to go and still had Dallas on the schedule twice. They beat Dallas both times so they didn't need Dallas to lose to anyone else.




congrats on win %, let me know when they give trophies out for win %. You only have TWO SB titles, 1 more than us. You aren't anywhere near the discussion for best franchise.

in the last decade we have 4 more playoff apps and 5 more playoff wins. If you wouldn't trade our last decade or so I can't help you, enjoy that win % thing as it is completely meaningless.

I said I wouldn't trade the last 12 years when I have to trade the two teams entire histories along with it. I'll take struggling for 12 years when it comes with everything else compared to the Jets.

Congrats on getting 50% of your franchise playoff win total in the last 12 years! Let me know when they give trophies out for playoff wins and AFCC game losses. Enjoy those as they are completely meaningless. :up:

nyjunc
12-12-2012, 06:19 PM
No, it was called a Super Bowl, but it was actually an AFL / NFL Championship game.




I've never said otherwise. I'm glad you thinking that it burns me up brings you so much joy. In your best 12 years as a franchise you have 3 more playoff apps and 7 more regular season wins than the Dolphins in their worst. The Jets haven't won anything meaningful in that time period. That burns me so bad. :lol:





It's fools gold. Get back to me in a few weeks.




Last year it was because of the injuries to the O-line, this year it is the injuries to Revis and Holmes. Next year it will be something else. Holmes will be coming back from foot surgery, Braylon hasn't been the same player since his knee injury, Keller seem to have become injury prone and Hill looks more like a bust than a boom right now. Sanchez will still be your QB and if they get rid of Tony he will be learning another new offense. If they don't get rid of Tony, they will still have Tony. :lol: You should have plenty of excuses for Sanchez.




I think you know why that was different. :up: Hint; it has something to do with a team not playing their starters.




Wrong again. They were only 1 game back of Dallas with 5 games to go and still had Dallas on the schedule twice. They beat Dallas both times so they didn't need Dallas to lose to anyone else.




I said I wouldn't trade the last 12 years when I have to trade the two teams entire histories along with it. I'll take struggling for 12 years when it comes with everything else compared to the Jets.

Congrats on getting 50% of your franchise playoff win total in the last 12 years! Let me know when they give trophies out for playoff wins and AFCC game losses. Enjoy those as they are completely meaningless. :up:

and what is your point?

It does burn you, that's why you have to bring up the 70s to zing me back!

making the playoffs is never fools gold.

I didn't say we missed the playoffs b/c of injuries to the OL last year, our OL stunk. I didn't blame the injuries.

Maybe Braylon just needs Sanchez throwing him the ball?

all these excuses and we're still better than your team.

yep, we got a qtr and a half of non starters so I guess you guys backed in during the '08 season playing 5-6 dead teams to end the season?

I love the excuses and it's even funnier seeing you whine about me making excuses.

you are wrong again. They needed Dallas to choke away the division. if Dallas goes 3-2 they win the divison but they completely collapsed.


It's been fun watching my team in the playoffs having chances to reach SBs, it sure beats being home every year in january.

The New Guy
12-12-2012, 08:11 PM
and what is your point?

You said I was taking a shot at the Jets for calling it an AFL / NFL Championship. That is exactly what it was.




It does burn you, that's why you have to bring up the 70s to zing me back!

I'm not the one who brought it up first. You did with your comment of the Dolphins getting worse each decade. I just pointed out how much better the Dolphins have been while getting worse each decade. It burns me that the Dolphins have been bad for 12 years. What the Jets have done in that same time period does not bother me in the least. Believe it or not.



making the playoffs is never fools gold.

The Jets are making the playoffs?



I didn't say we missed the playoffs b/c of injuries to the OL last year, our OL stunk. I didn't blame the injuries.

You not only blamed the injuries for missing the playoffs, but also said that is why Sanchez played so poorly last year. Every year you have a new excuse for Sanchez. I'm sure next year will be no different.



Maybe Braylon just needs Sanchez throwing him the ball?

:lol: Good one.




all these excuses and we're still better than your team.

And your team still stinks. :D Bad is bad. I've said it many times before, I'm glad you feel good about the Jets finishing a couple games ahead of a 6-10 team. I'm sure Charger fans feel great that they are finishing ahead of the Raiders.


yep, we got a qtr and a half of non starters so I guess you guys backed in during the '08 season playing 5-6 dead teams to end the season?

How did the Jets fair playing 2 out of 3 dead teams to finish the 2011 season?




you are wrong again. They needed Dallas to choke away the division. if Dallas goes 3-2 they win the division but they completely collapsed.

Sorry, the Giants were 1 game back with 4 games to go and still had Dallas on the schedule twice. Losing one game in the beginning of December is not needing a team to choke away the division. The Jets are the team that needed the Dolphins to choke away the division in 02 by being 2 games back with 2 games to go. Can you not see the difference? The Giants played a big part in the Cowboys collapse by beating them twice in the last 4 games of the season. The Jets had nothing to do with the Dolphins choking.



It's been fun watching my team in the playoffs having chances to reach SBs, it sure beats being home every year in january.

I'm sure it does. That doesn't make your team one of the best for over a decade. Outside of the crazy 2009 and 2010 runs (which accounted for 70% of the Jets playoff wins in the last 12 years), the Jets had nearly the same playoff record as Miami. If the Jets were really one of the best, how can that be? How can two years take you from being on par with one of the worst teams the last 12 years to one of the best? It can't.

PhinzN703
12-12-2012, 08:45 PM
They needed Dallas to choke losing 4 of their last 5 to win the division.

And here's where the hypocrisy comes in. The Jets, this year, have needed and still need the Steelers and Bengals to lose games so they have a chance. They don't control their own destiny. Same as a lot of teams yet you **** on the Giants and act like what they did doesn't mean anything.

nyjunc
12-13-2012, 09:49 AM
You said I was taking a shot at the Jets for calling it an AFL / NFL Championship. That is exactly what it was.




I'm not the one who brought it up first. You did with your comment of the Dolphins getting worse each decade. I just pointed out how much better the Dolphins have been while getting worse each decade. It burns me that the Dolphins have been bad for 12 years. What the Jets have done in that same time period does not bother me in the least. Believe it or not.



The Jets are making the playoffs?



You not only blamed the injuries for missing the playoffs, but also said that is why Sanchez played so poorly last year. Every year you have a new excuse for Sanchez. I'm sure next year will be no different.



:lol: Good one.




And your team still stinks. :D Bad is bad. I've said it many times before, I'm glad you feel good about the Jets finishing a couple games ahead of a 6-10 team. I'm sure Charger fans feel great that they are finishing ahead of the Raiders.



How did the Jets fair playing 2 out of 3 dead teams to finish the 2011 season?




Sorry, the Giants were 1 game back with 4 games to go and still had Dallas on the schedule twice. Losing one game in the beginning of December is not needing a team to choke away the division. The Jets are the team that needed the Dolphins to choke away the division in 02 by being 2 games back with 2 games to go. Can you not see the difference? The Giants played a big part in the Cowboys collapse by beating them twice in the last 4 games of the season. The Jets had nothing to do with the Dolphins choking.



I'm sure it does. That doesn't make your team one of the best for over a decade. Outside of the crazy 2009 and 2010 runs (which accounted for 70% of the Jets playoff wins in the last 12 years), the Jets had nearly the same playoff record as Miami. If the Jets were really one of the best, how can that be? How can two years take you from being on par with one of the worst teams the last 12 years to one of the best? It can't.

It was known as the Super Bowl.

getting worse each decade and it looks like that trend will continue through the 20teens

the Jets have a chance, something Miami hasn't had for a long time.

I didn't use the injuries as an excuse, I used the OL sucking as an excuse and I never used mark's stinger as an excuse. He was awful the last 3 weeks.

I didn't need excuses for him until the last 3 games last year and this year and I have provided no excuses. I do discuss having no weapons this year which is a fact not an excuse.

I'm happy we are in the playoff race, I'm happy our team hasn't quit, I'm happy we have good people running this organization and we have talent to rebuild around.

Philly wasn't dead, Philly was playing the best football in the NFL the last month and we were dead in week 17 which was why we lost to such an awful team. In week 16 one play turned the seasons of both teams, the 99 yd TD to salsa boy.

If Dallas goes 3-2 instead of 1-5 they win the division, if Dallas just wins ONE of those Giants games they win the division so they really only needed to go 2-3 as long as they beat NYG. They choked.


It's not our fault you lost to a bad Minnesota team in 2002 while we whipped the Pats then whipped GB- 2 of the better teams in the league. We took care of business, you didn't just like 2 years earlier we blew it and you took care of business or back in '08 when we blew it while you took care of business.

what makes my team one of the best in the last decade is being 5th in playoff apps and 4th in playoff wins.

2009 & 2010 count, you can't take away 2 seasons. A fluke is like 2008 when you have 1 playoff app sandwiched around 10 seasons of missing the playoffs. We made BACK to BACK Title games, it wasn't a fluke. even taking those away in the last 10 years we had 3 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins vs. your 1 playoff app and zero playoff wins so no matter what way you slice it we come out on top.

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And here's where the hypocrisy comes in. The Jets, this year, have needed and still need the Steelers and Bengals to lose games so they have a chance. They don't control their own destiny. Same as a lot of teams yet you **** on the Giants and act like what they did doesn't mean anything.

read the posts please, I am suing his flawed logic whining about the Jets making the playoffs needing help. teams earn their way into postseason by winning the required amount in a given year, last year NYG earned it and Dallas didn't just like we didn't earn b/c we sucked late.

The New Guy
12-13-2012, 03:53 PM
It was known as the Super Bowl.

And was an AFL / NFL Championship game, just like the previous 2. Calling it what it was is not taking a shot.



getting worse each decade and it looks like that trend will continue through the 20teens

Here you go again bringing up the 70's, 80's and 90's as if it has something to do with the future. Do you realize how ridiculous it is for a Jets fan to tell Dolphins fans that they have been getting worse each decade? I've already listed all of the other accomplishments that the Dolphins tower over the Jets in, but since you seem to only care about playoff apps and wins, here you go:

Dolphins playoff apps by the decade:

70's (7 playoff Apps) 8 wins
80's (5 playoff Apps) 6 wins
90's (7 playoff Apps) 5 wins
00's (3 playoff Apps) 1 win
10's (0 playoff Apps) 0 wins

Jets playoff apps by the decade:

70's (0 playoff Apps) 0 wins
80's (4 playoff Apps) 3 wins
90's (2 playoff Apps) 1 win
00's (5 playoff Apps) 4 wins
10's (1 playoff App ) 2 wins

The Dolphins have 10 playoff apps in the 90' and 00's alone. The Jets have 12 in their entire franchise history. The Jets have never had more than 4 playoff wins in a single decade. The Dolphins getting worse each decade had more in each of the first 3 decades. (8, 6 and 5) It has only been in the 00's that the Jets have been better. Do you now see why it is silly for a Jets fan to say the Dolphins have been getting worse each decade? Outside of the 00 decade, the Jets have stunk for most of their entire history.




the Jets have a chance, something Miami hasn't had for a long time.

Maybe mathematically, but so do the Dolphins. Neither team is going or deserves to go. We both stink.




I didn't use the injuries as an excuse, I used the OL sucking as an excuse and I never used mark's stinger as an excuse. He was awful the last 3 weeks.

I didn't need excuses for him until the last 3 games last year and this year and I have provided no excuses. I do discuss having no weapons this year which is a fact not an excuse.

When I state the facts, you say they are excuses, but when you give excuses, they are the facts. Got it! :lol:




I'm happy we are in the playoff race, I'm happy our team hasn't quit, I'm happy we have good people running this organization and we have talent to rebuild around.

You are a Jets fan, you should be happy. You should just realize that this is still the same team that lost by 21 to Miami, lost by 21 to Seattle, and lost by 30 to NE just a few weeks ago. Just like last year, you guys are getting excited over a couple of wins against really bad teams. Bad teams that Sanchez didn't even play well against either. You are one of the few who think the Jets have good people running things. The Jets have become a bigger joke in the media than the Dolphins, and that is saying something.




Philly wasn't dead, Philly was playing the best football in the NFL the last month and we were dead in week 17 which was why we lost to such an awful team. In week 16 one play turned the seasons of both teams, the 99 yd TD to salsa boy.

:lol: I love it! Philly wasn't dead being 2 games back with 3 games to go, but Miami is dead being 2 games back with 3 games, and the Jets were already dead being 1 game back with 1 game to go. Way to be consistent.
The Jets lost those games because they stunk, not because of 1 play. If you want to talk about single plays, what about Tony Romo and Stevie Johnson?




If Dallas goes 3-2 instead of 1-5 they win the division, if Dallas just wins ONE of those Giants games they win the division so they really only needed to go 2-3 as long as they beat NYG. They choked.

Let's talk about the last 4 weeks of the season since that is when teams usually back in. The Giants were 1 game back of Dallas with Dallas being on the schedule twice. From week 13 on, the Giants didn't need anyone else to beat the Cowboys because they did it themselves. If you beat the teams that you need to lose yourself, that is not needing help.




It's not our fault you lost to a bad Minnesota team in 2002 while we whipped the Pats then whipped GB- 2 of the better teams in the league. We took care of business, you didn't just like 2 years earlier we blew it and you took care of business or back in '08 when we blew it while you took care of business.

No, but it was the Jets fault for being 2 games back with only 2 games to go to a team the wouldn't play again that season. That is needing help. The Dolphins have been in the same spot several times, and the only difference between the Jets playoff app and the Dolphins non playoff apps was something that another team did or didn't do. That is not earning your spot anymore than what the Dolphins did when they didn't get in.

In 03 Miami was 7-7 in week 15 (Just like the Jets in 02) and Pitt was 9-5. Miami needed to win their final 2 games and needed Pitt to lose their final 2 games. Miami won out, but they didn't get the help like the Jets got in 02. Same thing in 03, but 1 week later in the season. The Dolphins were 9-6 and needed a win and a Denver loss (Just like the Jets needed Miami to lose in week 17 in 02), but they didn't get the help they needed like the Jets did. In 05, Miami was 2 games back with two games to go just like the Jets. Miami won out again, but did not get the help the Jets got. You can say the Jets earned their spot by winning the required # of games (9), but that # wasn't better (even worse some seasons than the Dolphins # (twice at 9 and once at 10 when they missed out) and would not have been good enough if not for the help of other teams losing. That is backing in.




What makes my team one of the best in the last decade is being 5th in playoff apps and 4th in playoff wins.
2009 & 2010 count, you can't take away 2 seasons. A fluke is like 2008 when you have 1 playoff app sandwiched around 10 seasons of missing the playoffs. We made BACK to BACK Title games, it wasn't a fluke. even taking those away in the last 10 years we had 3 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins vs. your 1 playoff app and zero playoff wins so no matter what way you slice it we come out on top.

Not when 70% of those playoff wins came in 2 seasons. That doesn't change a decade of mediocrity. Even with the playoff wins included, the Jets are still not one of the best teams of the decade. All of the best teams of the decade have at least a Super Bowl app and multiple division titles to go with their playoff wins. The Jets have 1 division title (at 9-7), are barely above .500 the last 12 years and have only 7 more regular season wins than the Dolphins who have been terrible. That is not one of the best. Call it what you want though, I done pointing out the facts. You just ignore them and deflect by pointing out that the Jets have been better than the Dolphins for a decade. :hclap:

Time will tell if the Jets 09 /10 were a fluke or not. So far, the Jets are off to a good start being on their way to missing the playoffs for the second straight year. :up:

nyjunc
12-13-2012, 04:06 PM
And was an AFL / NFL Championship game, just like the previous 2. Calling it what it was is not taking a shot.



Here you go again bringing up the 70's, 80's and 90's as if it has something to do with the future. Do you realize how ridiculous it is for a Jets fan to tell Dolphins fans that they have been getting worse each decade? I've already listed all of the other accomplishments that the Dolphins tower over the Jets in, but since you seem to only care about playoff apps and wins, here you go:

Dolphins playoff apps by the decade:

70's (7 playoff Apps) 8 wins
80's (5 playoff Apps) 6 wins
90's (7 playoff Apps) 5 wins
00's (3 playoff Apps) 1 win
10's (0 playoff Apps) 0 wins

Jets playoff apps by the decade:

70's (0 playoff Apps) 0 wins
80's (4 playoff Apps) 3 wins
90's (2 playoff Apps) 1 win
00's (5 playoff Apps) 4 wins
10's (1 playoff App ) 2 wins

The Dolphins have 10 playoff apps in the 90' and 00's alone. The Jets have 12 in their entire franchise history. The Jets have never had more than 4 playoff wins in a single decade. The Dolphins getting worse each decade had more in each of the first 3 decades. (8, 6 and 5) It has only been in the 00's that the Jets have been better. Do you now see why it is silly for a Jets fan to say the Dolphins have been getting worse each decade? Outside of the 00 decade, the Jets have stunk for most of their entire history.




Maybe mathematically, but so do the Dolphins. Neither team is going or deserves to go. We both stink.




When I state the facts, you say they are excuses, but when you give excuses, they are the facts. Got it! :lol:




You are a Jets fan, you should be happy. You should just realize that this is still the same team that lost by 21 to Miami, lost by 21 to Seattle, and lost by 30 to NE just a few weeks ago. Just like last year, you guys are getting excited over a couple of wins against really bad teams. Bad teams that Sanchez didn't even play well against either. You are one of the few who think the Jets have good people running things. The Jets have become a bigger joke in the media than the Dolphins, and that is saying something.




:lol: I love it! Philly wasn't dead being 2 games back with 3 games to go, but Miami is dead being 2 games back with 3 games, and the Jets were already dead being 1 game back with 1 game to go. Way to be consistent.
The Jets lost those games because they stunk, not because of 1 play. If you want to talk about single plays, what about Tony Romo and Stevie Johnson?




Let's talk about the last 4 weeks of the season since that is when teams usually back in. The Giants were 1 game back of Dallas with Dallas being on the schedule twice. From week 13 on, the Giants didn't need anyone else to beat the Cowboys because they did it themselves. If you beat the teams that you need to lose yourself, that is not needing help.




No, but it was the Jets fault for being 2 games back with only 2 games to go to a team the wouldn't play again that season. That is needing help. The Dolphins have been in the same spot several times, and the only difference between the Jets playoff app and the Dolphins non playoff apps was something that another team did or didn't do. That is not earning your spot anymore than what the Dolphins did when they didn't get in.

In 03 Miami was 7-7 in week 15 (Just like the Jets in 02) and Pitt was 9-5. Miami needed to win their final 2 games and needed Pitt to lose their final 2 games. Miami won out, but they didn't get the help like the Jets got in 02. Same thing in 03, but 1 week later in the season. The Dolphins were 9-6 and needed a win and a Denver loss (Just like the Jets needed Miami to lose in week 17 in 02), but they didn't get the help they needed like the Jets did. In 05, Miami was 2 games back with two games to go just like the Jets. Miami won out again, but did not get the help the Jets got. You can say the Jets earned their spot by winning the required # of games (9), but that # wasn't better (even worse some seasons than the Dolphins # (twice at 9 and once at 10 when they missed out) and would not have been good enough if not for the help of other teams losing. That is backing in.




Not when 70% of those playoff wins came in 2 seasons. That doesn't change a decade of mediocrity. Even with the playoff wins included, the Jets are still not one of the best teams of the decade. All of the best teams of the decade have at least a Super Bowl app and multiple division titles to go with their playoff wins. The Jets have 1 division title (at 9-7), are barely above .500 the last 12 years and have only 7 more regular season wins than the Dolphins who have been terrible. That is not one of the best. Call it what you want though, I done pointing out the facts. You just ignore them and deflect by pointing out that the Jets have been better than the Dolphins for a decade. :hclap:

Time will tell if the Jets 09 /10 were a fluke or not. So far, the Jets are off to a good start being on their way to missing the playoffs for the second straight year. :up:







It was actually called the Super Bowl.

so going from 8 to 6 to 5 to 1 to ZERO isn't getting worse? Really?

we are a game out, IF we win our last 3 we have a very realistic shot of making it, if you win your last 3 you would need the miracle of all miracles to make it.


stop deflecting, point to the exact fact I give out and tell me why you think it is an excuse?


you can only play who is on your sched, a 9-7 team won the SB last year so anything is possible. Do I expect it? No, do I think it will happen? No but it's nice to know we have a shot.

If we beat the Giants in week 16 Philly would have won the NFC East. Philly was very much alive and was playing the best football of any team the last qtr of the season.

If Dal doesn't choke at home vs. NYG they win the div even going 1-4 or 2-3.


The Jets had a slow start, had a million injuries and were playing awful football but no team was playing better over the 2nd half of the season which NE found out(our beat down of NE kept NE from the playoffs) and GB found out(our humiliation of GB kept them from the #1 seed in the NFC and made them play in the WC rd).

Miami started off better, we finished better. we wer better over 16 games.


Miami was 7-5 facing Philly and NE, they lost both and were essentially out of the race before beating 2 bad teams and needing an awful call to beat one of them.


100% of your SB wins came in a 2 season stretch, can we take that away from you?

5th in PO apps, 4th in PO wins- one of the best in the AFC. made the playoffs consistently, didn't just have a good 2-3 year run. made it in '01, '02, '04, '06, '09, '10


the '09/'10 Jets have proven they weren't a fluke b/c they did it back to back years like the '08 phins proved they were a fluke b/c they were a one hit wonder.

The New Guy
12-13-2012, 07:46 PM
It was actually called the Super Bowl.

:bobdole: And was an AFL / NFL Championship game. You said I was taking a shot when I was only stating the facts.


so going from 8 to 6 to 5 to 1 to ZERO isn't getting worse? Really?

I never said it wasn't getting worse. I just said it is silly for a Jets fan to mention that when they have 0, 3, 1, 4 and 2 in those decades. 3 out of the 5 decades of the Dolphins getting worse is better than the Jets best in all 5 decades. It would be hard for any team not to get worse with as much success as the Dolphins had early. The Jets have been so bad, they had no where to go but up.



The Jets had a slow start, had a million injuries and were playing awful football but no team was playing better over the 2nd half of the season which NE found out(our beat down of NE kept NE from the playoffs) and GB found out(our humiliation of GB kept them from the #1 seed in the NFC and made them play in the WC rd).

Miami started off better, we finished better. we wer better over 16 games.

That is not the point. You brag about the Jets having 3 more playoff apps than the Dolphins in the last 12 years and give all the credit to the Jets for making it and calling the Dolphins fake contenders when they didn't make it. In reality, the only difference was something that another team did or didn't do that the Jets had nothing to do with. The Jets got bailed out several times making it at 9-7 twice and 10-6 because of something other teams did or didn't do in the final week of the season. The Dolphins missed out at 9-7 twice and 10-6 once based on something other teams did or didn't do in the final weeks of the season.



Miami was 7-5 facing Philly and NE, they lost both and were essentially out of the race before beating 2 bad teams and needing an awful call to beat one of them.

:lol: This is what kills me with you. The Dolphins are out of the race 2 games back at 7-7 with 2 games to go. (I agree with you on that) Guess what? The Jets were in the exact same position in 2002. 7-7 and 2 games back with 2 games to go needing another team (they didn't play) to choke to get in. The Jets got the help they needed, and the Dolphins didn't.



100% of your SB wins came in a 2 season stretch, can we take that away from you?

Super Bowl wins are a little different than playoff wins that result in nothing. Wouldn't you agree?


5th in PO apps, 4th in PO wins- one of the best in the AFC. made the playoffs consistently, didn't just have a good 2-3 year run. made it in '01, '02, '04, '06, '09, '10

10's start a new decade, so in the 00's the Jets made it 50% of the time. :hclap: 3 out of the 5 times they backed in. The Dolphins (who were really bad) made it 30% of the time.

The best AFC teams of the decade are:

Patriots made it 70% of the time with 3 Super Bowl wins, 4 Super Bowl apps, and 7 division titles.
Colts made it 90% of the time with 1 Super Bowl win, and 7 division tittles.
Steelers made it 60% of the time with 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl apps and 4 division titles.
Ravens made it 60% of the time with 1 Super Bowl win, and 4 division titles.

The Jets don't belong in that list. They belong in this list:

Jets made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 1 division tittle
Chargers made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 5 division tittles
Titans made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 2 division tittles
Broncos made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 1 division tittle

You want to include the Jets with the big boys because they won 4 playoff games (70% of their total in the decade) in 2 years. Playoff wins that result in nothing don't mean much and don't make your team one of the best in the decade. It is like me trying to put the Raiders on the same level with the Jets, Chargers, Titans and Broncos based on their 1 Super Bowl app in 2002.

nyjunc
12-14-2012, 09:43 AM
:bobdole: And was an AFL / NFL Championship game. You said I was taking a shot when I was only stating the facts.



I never said it wasn't getting worse. I just said it is silly for a Jets fan to mention that when they have 0, 3, 1, 4 and 2 in those decades. 3 out of the 5 decades of the Dolphins getting worse is better than the Jets best in all 5 decades. It would be hard for any team not to get worse with as much success as the Dolphins had early. The Jets have been so bad, they had no where to go but up.




That is not the point. You brag about the Jets having 3 more playoff apps than the Dolphins in the last 12 years and give all the credit to the Jets for making it and calling the Dolphins fake contenders when they didn't make it. In reality, the only difference was something that another team did or didn't do that the Jets had nothing to do with. The Jets got bailed out several times making it at 9-7 twice and 10-6 because of something other teams did or didn't do in the final week of the season. The Dolphins missed out at 9-7 twice and 10-6 once based on something other teams did or didn't do in the final weeks of the season.




:lol: This is what kills me with you. The Dolphins are out of the race 2 games back at 7-7 with 2 games to go. (I agree with you on that) Guess what? The Jets were in the exact same position in 2002. 7-7 and 2 games back with 2 games to go needing another team (they didn't play) to choke to get in. The Jets got the help they needed, and the Dolphins didn't.




Super Bowl wins are a little different than playoff wins that result in nothing. Wouldn't you agree?



10's start a new decade, so in the 00's the Jets made it 50% of the time. :hclap: 3 out of the 5 times they backed in. The Dolphins (who were really bad) made it 30% of the time.

The best AFC teams of the decade are:

Patriots made it 70% of the time with 3 Super Bowl wins, 4 Super Bowl apps, and 7 division titles.
Colts made it 90% of the time with 1 Super Bowl win, and 7 division tittles.
Steelers made it 60% of the time with 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl apps and 4 division titles.
Ravens made it 60% of the time with 1 Super Bowl win, and 4 division titles.

The Jets don't belong in that list. They belong in this list:

Jets made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 1 division tittle
Chargers made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 5 division tittles
Titans made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 2 division tittles
Broncos made it 50% of the time with 0 Super Bowl wins or apps and 1 division tittle

You want to include the Jets with the big boys because they won 4 playoff games (70% of their total in the decade) in 2 years. Playoff wins that result in nothing don't mean much and don't make your team one of the best in the decade. It is like me trying to put the Raiders on the same level with the Jets, Chargers, Titans and Broncos based on their 1 Super Bowl app in 2002.

It was known as the SB so I guess you won AFC/NFC Championships?

I'm not worried about the Jets in the 70s, 80s or 90s. In recent, relevant history we have been one of the best teams in the AFC despite playing in a division w/ a dynasty team where we had no shot to win div titles.

I don't brag, I am stating FACTS.

we won big games in '02, when you faced NE in '03 you got shut out, when we faced them in '02 we whipped them. When you faced a top NFC team in '03 you lost, when we faced a top NFC team we humiliated them. That's the difference btw your '03 and our '02.

SB wins are different but the argument is the same, trying to take away our 4 playoff wins in 2 years is like trying to take away your 2 SBs in 2 years.



You keep expanding the years, I said the last DECADE. bal's SB win does not fall into the last decade and they didn't win a single playoff game from 2002 through 2007- that's 6 seasons w/o a playoff win. The Jets longest stretch was 4 years.

5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins. One of the top teams in the AFC.

The Raiders have 1 playoff app and 2 playoff wins in the last decade, how would they be on our level?

grogan12
12-14-2012, 03:18 PM
It was known as the SB so I guess you won AFC/NFC Championships?

I'm not worried about the Jets in the 70s, 80s or 90s. In recent, relevant history we have been one of the best teams in the AFC despite playing in a division w/ a dynasty team where we had no shot to win div titles.

I don't brag, I am stating FACTS.

we won big games in '02, when you faced NE in '03 you got shut out, when we faced them in '02 we whipped them. When you faced a top NFC team in '03 you lost, when we faced a top NFC team we humiliated them. That's the difference btw your '03 and our '02.

SB wins are different but the argument is the same, trying to take away our 4 playoff wins in 2 years is like trying to take away your 2 SBs in 2 years.



You keep expanding the years, I said the last DECADE. bal's SB win does not fall into the last decade and they didn't win a single playoff game from 2002 through 2007- that's 6 seasons w/o a playoff win. The Jets longest stretch was 4 years.

5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins. One of the top teams in the AFC.

The Raiders have 1 playoff app and 2 playoff wins in the last decade, how would they be on our level?

:ponder::sidelol::sidelol: I can't take it!!!!!!:sidelol:

The New Guy
12-14-2012, 09:21 PM
It was known as the SB so I guess you won AFC/NFC Championships?

That wouldn't be the correct term. AFC / NFC Championships are what gets each conference to the Super Bowl. You could call it an NFL Championship if you like.



I'm not worried about the Jets in the 70s, 80s or 90s. In recent, relevant history we have been one of the best teams in the AFC despite playing in a division w/ a dynasty team where we had no shot to win div titles.

I just pointed out how silly it was for you to say the Dolphins are getting worse each decade, when even getting worse the Dolphins were still much better than the Jets. In recent, relevant history, the Jets have been better than the Dolphins. That doesn't make them one of the best in the AFC in that same time frame.


I don't brag, I am stating FACTS.

Facts that are only facts according to you. You use the argument of how much better the Jets have been based on playoff apps/ wins but ignore the fact that the Jets barely made the playoffs several times and the Dolphins missed out several times. The Jets won 9 or more games 7 times in the decade. The Dolphins won 9 or more games 6 times in the decade. You are giving the Jets credit and discrediting the Dolphins based on things that other teams did or didn't do for them in the final weeks of the season. You can say the Jets won the required amount of games, but it was only the required amount because teams choked in the final week for the Jets and did not for the Dolphins.



we won big games in '02, when you faced NE in '03 you got shut out, when we faced them in '02 we whipped them. When you faced a top NFC team in '03 you lost, when we faced a top NFC team we humiliated them. That's the difference btw your '03 and our '02.

The Jets whipped NE the year they won 9 games and missed the playoffs, and we got shut out the year they went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl. The Jets whipped the top NFC team that was 1 and done in the playoffs (beat 27-7 by 9-6-1 Atlanta) while the Dolphins loss was to the top NFC team that made the NFCC game. :lol:

You are the one who is always saying that it doesn't matter if you win games early or late, yet you credit the Jets for their 9 wins and discredit the Dolphins for their 10 wins. One 9 win team made it because they got help and the other 10 win team missed out because they didn't get help. I don't care what big games the Jets won when they are 2 games back with 2 weeks left in the season. They got in based on another team choking. They didn't earn it the way the best teams do.


SB wins are different but the argument is the same, trying to take away our 4 playoff wins in 2 years is like trying to take away your 2 SBs in 2 years.

No, it is not. Average teams can make the playoffs and even win some playoff games. You are trying to make the argument for being one of the best teams in the decade based on playoff apps / wins. Winning 70% of your playoff total in 2 seasons does not change nearly a decade of mediocrity. I didn't say to take those two years away. Even with them included, the Jets have not been one of the best.



You keep expanding the years, I said the last DECADE. bal's SB win does not fall into the last decade and they didn't win a single playoff game from 2002 through 2007- that's 6 seasons w/o a playoff win. The Jets longest stretch was 4 years.

You are the one who wants to narrow time frames in order to try and make your argument. If you are talking best teams of the decade, I think it is common to start at the beginning of each decade. 80's, 90's 00's, 10's. You want to start at specific points because it adds to the Jets and takes away from other teams.

What is your point? The Jets won just 2 playoff games from 2000 to 2008 and you want to call them one of the best based on the 4 playoff wins that came in two seasons. Each team doesn't get to face the same competition in the playoffs. If you want to narrow the time frame to take away 4 playoff wins and the Super Bowl win, I wouldn't consider Bal one of the best AFC teams.



The Raiders have 1 playoff app and 2 playoff wins in the last decade, how would they be on our level?

I'm just using you logic. Winning % doesn't matter, division tittles don't matter. Nothing else seems to matter except for AFCC game losses. Well, the Raiders have 1 Super Bowl app while the Jets have 0.

I've enjoyed debating with you, but it is clear that I'm never going to get through to you. I doesn't bother me if you want to think that your team has been one of the best in the decade. We've both given our point of views for why or why not, and I am going to move on. I'm sure we will pick this back up in the future sometime. :up:

nyjunc
12-17-2012, 09:22 AM
That wouldn't be the correct term. AFC / NFC Championships are what gets each conference to the Super Bowl. You could call it an NFL Championship if you like.



I just pointed out how silly it was for you to say the Dolphins are getting worse each decade, when even getting worse the Dolphins were still much better than the Jets. In recent, relevant history, the Jets have been better than the Dolphins. That doesn't make them one of the best in the AFC in that same time frame.



Facts that are only facts according to you. You use the argument of how much better the Jets have been based on playoff apps/ wins but ignore the fact that the Jets barely made the playoffs several times and the Dolphins missed out several times. The Jets won 9 or more games 7 times in the decade. The Dolphins won 9 or more games 6 times in the decade. You are giving the Jets credit and discrediting the Dolphins based on things that other teams did or didn't do for them in the final weeks of the season. You can say the Jets won the required amount of games, but it was only the required amount because teams choked in the final week for the Jets and did not for the Dolphins.




The Jets whipped NE the year they won 9 games and missed the playoffs, and we got shut out the year they went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl. The Jets whipped the top NFC team that was 1 and done in the playoffs (beat 27-7 by 9-6-1 Atlanta) while the Dolphins loss was to the top NFC team that made the NFCC game. :lol:

You are the one who is always saying that it doesn't matter if you win games early or late, yet you credit the Jets for their 9 wins and discredit the Dolphins for their 10 wins. One 9 win team made it because they got help and the other 10 win team missed out because they didn't get help. I don't care what big games the Jets won when they are 2 games back with 2 weeks left in the season. They got in based on another team choking. They didn't earn it the way the best teams do.



No, it is not. Average teams can make the playoffs and even win some playoff games. You are trying to make the argument for being one of the best teams in the decade based on playoff apps / wins. Winning 70% of your playoff total in 2 seasons does not change nearly a decade of mediocrity. I didn't say to take those two years away. Even with them included, the Jets have not been one of the best.




You are the one who wants to narrow time frames in order to try and make your argument. If you are talking best teams of the decade, I think it is common to start at the beginning of each decade. 80's, 90's 00's, 10's. You want to start at specific points because it adds to the Jets and takes away from other teams.

What is your point? The Jets won just 2 playoff games from 2000 to 2008 and you want to call them one of the best based on the 4 playoff wins that came in two seasons. Each team doesn't get to face the same competition in the playoffs. If you want to narrow the time frame to take away 4 playoff wins and the Super Bowl win, I wouldn't consider Bal one of the best AFC teams.



I'm just using you logic. Winning % doesn't matter, division tittles don't matter. Nothing else seems to matter except for AFCC game losses. Well, the Raiders have 1 Super Bowl app while the Jets have 0.

I've enjoyed debating with you, but it is clear that I'm never going to get through to you. I doesn't bother me if you want to think that your team has been one of the best in the decade. We've both given our point of views for why or why not, and I am going to move on. I'm sure we will pick this back up in the future sometime. :up:

whatever you want to call it to try to take away credit from the jets they won a world championship game and the single most significant game in pro football history.

how is it silly? the facts tell us Miami has gotten worse each decade.

You can say they "bare;y" made it all you want but they made it, right? We can say Miami won the SB in 1972 facing the easiest sched of any eventual SB champ but they won it. We can make excuses for anything and that is what you are trying to do.

2001-2011:
Jets 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
Miami 1 playoff app, ZERO playoff wins

FACTS

If we didn't whip NE in week 16 NE would have won the division.

The Jets tore the heart out of GB, they were 12-3 playing for a top seed and we humiliated them which they couldn't recover from.


Miami had destiny in their hands, I'm not impressed that they beat 2 dead teams to end 2003. They had a chance against NE and Philly and FAILED, we had a chance against NE & GB the year before and succeeded.

We won 4 playoff games in 2009 & 2010, whine all you want, make all the excuses you want but the Jets won them.

In the last decade the Jets are 5th in playoff apps and 4 th in playoff wins. another FACT

if you used my logic you'd actually be using logic instead of being an excuse maker.

People that make valid points can get through to me, not folks who just make excuses.

cbreeden
12-17-2012, 04:06 PM
It was known as the SB so I guess you won AFC/NFC Championships?

I'm not worried about the Jets in the 70s, 80s or 90s. In recent, relevant history we have been one of the best teams in the AFC despite playing in a division w/ a dynasty team where we had no shot to win div titles.

I don't brag, I am stating FACTS.

we won big games in '02, when you faced NE in '03 you got shut out, when we faced them in '02 we whipped them. When you faced a top NFC team in '03 you lost, when we faced a top NFC team we humiliated them. That's the difference btw your '03 and our '02.

SB wins are different but the argument is the same, trying to take away our 4 playoff wins in 2 years is like trying to take away your 2 SBs in 2 years.



You keep expanding the years, I said the last DECADE. bal's SB win does not fall into the last decade and they didn't win a single playoff game from 2002 through 2007- that's 6 seasons w/o a playoff win. The Jets longest stretch was 4 years.

5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins. One of the top teams in the AFC.

The Raiders have 1 playoff app and 2 playoff wins in the last decade, how would they be on our level?

You have to GOT to be kidding! The Jets have only been relevant for a season and a half in the last 12 years and yet you call them one of the best?!? Stop the madness!! Right now, the Jets couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag!! You say they're in a play-off race?....it's more like a play-off HOPE! IF the miracle of miracles happen this year and the Jests happen to find their way in do you honestly think they will beat Den/NE/Balt only to go to Texas? They would get their asses handed to them in a muddy garbage bag. BUT, it just doesn't matter 'cause the Pests aren't making it.

nyjunc
12-17-2012, 04:48 PM
You have to GOT to be kidding! The Jets have only been relevant for a season and a half in the last 12 years and yet you call them one of the best?!? Stop the madness!! Right now, the Jets couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag!! You say they're in a play-off race?....it's more like a play-off HOPE! IF the miracle of miracles happen this year and the Jests happen to find their way in do you honestly think they will beat Den/NE/Balt only to go to Texas? They would get their asses handed to them in a muddy garbage bag. BUT, it just doesn't matter 'cause the Pests aren't making it.

that's a season and a half more than Miami, right?

at the moment(we could lose tonight) as bad as we have been we have a better record than Miami, right? we have a soft final 3 games, if we win out we'll have a great shot to make the playoffs- actually I think we will make it IF we win out.

if we were one and done at least we would have made it, this has been a horrible year and to make the playoffs in a horrible year would be an amazing accomplishment.

NY8123
12-17-2012, 05:01 PM
that's a season and a half more than Miami, right?

at the moment(we could lose tonight) as bad as we have been we have a better record than Miami, right? we have a soft final 3 games, if we win out we'll have a great shot to make the playoffs- actually I think we will make it IF we win out.

if we were one and done at least we would have made it, this has been a horrible year and to make the playoffs in a horrible year would be an amazing accomplishment.

The Jets do not deserve to be a playoff team regardless of whether or not they win out. They have played horrible football and you should thank the luck god that you can even make the statement above.

nyjunc
12-17-2012, 05:14 PM
The Jets do not deserve to be a playoff team regardless of whether or not they win out. They have played horrible football and you should thank the luck god that you can even make the statement above.

If they make the playoffs they will have earned it, still a long way to go though.

uk_dolfan
12-17-2012, 07:53 PM
It was known as the SB so I guess you won AFC/NFC Championships?

I'm not worried about the Jets in the 70s, 80s or 90s. In recent, relevant history we have been one of the best teams in the AFC despite playing in a division w/ a dynasty team where we had no shot to win div titles.

I don't brag, I am stating FACTS.

we won big games in '02, when you faced NE in '03 you got shut out, when we faced them in '02 we whipped them. When you faced a top NFC team in '03 you lost, when we faced a top NFC team we humiliated them. That's the difference btw your '03 and our '02.

SB wins are different but the argument is the same, trying to take away our 4 playoff wins in 2 years is like trying to take away your 2 SBs in 2 years.



You keep expanding the years, I said the last DECADE. bal's SB win does not fall into the last decade and they didn't win a single playoff game from 2002 through 2007- that's 6 seasons w/o a playoff win. The Jets longest stretch was 4 years.

5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins. One of the top teams in the AFC.

The Raiders have 1 playoff app and 2 playoff wins in the last decade, how would they be on our level?


Bold statement, how many Superbowl's have the jets played in since the end of the 90's? How many have you won?

nyjunc
12-18-2012, 09:15 AM
Bold statement, how many Superbowl's have the jets played in since the end of the 90's? How many have you won?

we have won the same amount as Miami since 1974.

You guys haven't even been playoff teams or legit playoff contenders most years let alone actually winning playoff games and having a chance to get to SBs.

FinfanInBuffalo
12-18-2012, 09:31 AM
we have won the same amount as Miami since 1974.

You guys haven't even been playoff teams or legit playoff contenders most years let alone actually winning playoff games and having a chance to get to SBs.

You can stop pretending that the Jets are anything but lower half of the league now and that Sanchez doesn't suck. The Jets had their run and it is over. They will need to rebuild, starting with a QB.

cbreeden
12-18-2012, 10:01 AM
that's a season and a half more than Miami, right?

at the moment(we could lose tonight) as bad as we have been we have a better record than Miami, right? we have a soft final 3 games, if we win out we'll have a great shot to make the playoffs- actually I think we will make it IF we win out.

if we were one and done at least we would have made it, this has been a horrible year and to make the playoffs in a horrible year would be an amazing accomplishment.

I guess you can forget all that....:sidelol:. And oh by the way, it was never about Miami with you...it's always about how the Jets are this and the Jets are that and the Jets are one of the best in the league in the last decade...BS! The Jets are TIED with Miami and the way it looked last night Miami will probably finish ahead of the Pests. You are such a homer.

nyjunc
12-18-2012, 10:02 AM
You can stop pretending that the Jets are anything but lower half of the league now and that Sanchez doesn't suck. The Jets had their run and it is over. They will need to rebuild, starting with a QB.

Right now Sanchez sucks and we are middle of the pack but a bad team, there aren't many good teams especially in the AFC.

NY8123
12-18-2012, 10:11 AM
If they make the playoffs they will have earned it, still a long way to go though.

They earned exactly what they deserved last night.

nyjunc
12-18-2012, 10:21 AM
They earned exactly what they deserved last night.

they absolutely did, this team stinks. They have earned being out of the playoffs.