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WVDolphan
12-21-2012, 09:46 AM
:lol: Morono really is not a very bright individual.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/21/sparano-not-wiling-to-call-tebow-experiment-a-failure/

Just some of his quotes in this brings back nightmares. Also, it seems he is almost as delusional as NYJunc.



There also was no need to worry about the Jetsí offense. Ranked 30th in total yards and 31st in yards per play, the franchise is moving in the wrong direction under Sparano.

:lol2:

finomenal
12-21-2012, 09:54 AM
Morono strikes again. :lol:

uk_dolfan
12-21-2012, 10:12 AM
Sparano and Ryan should be ashamed of how they have treated Tebow. Im no big Tebow fan but he deserves better than what he has got from the Jets.

Vaark
12-21-2012, 10:24 AM
Rex is over his head as a HC which is the chairman of the board with a pulse on all 3 functions, a vision of the future, and control and containment of the clubhouse. If the jest could convince him to be someone more competent's DC, they'd be fortunate; Tony at this point, based on how he's ****ed up our OL, and gave Hunter his stamp of approval I doubt is even qualified to revert back to OL coach. I see OL coordinator at some division 3 school in the rural Montana or the Ozarks in his future. But of course we've told all this to our resident trolls from the get-go and were informed we didnt' know what we were talking about.

nyjunc
12-21-2012, 10:38 AM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

JCane
12-21-2012, 10:39 AM
Here's my favorite line from the whole thing and it was in regards to how Tim Tebow would fit into the offense:


if I remember correctly, it was one-to-20 plays in a game

:lol: :lol:

Really? 1-20 plays a game?

Sounds like a solid gameplan there, you dope.

uk_dolfan
12-21-2012, 10:45 AM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

You always tell us how Sanchez is a playoff winning all pro calibr QB. If he is so good Meatball must have done somethig real bad to have to play his third choice qb.

nyjunc
12-21-2012, 10:48 AM
You always tell us how Sanchez is a playoff winning all pro calibr QB. If he is so good Meatball must have done somethig real bad to have to play his third choice qb.

mark regressed and Tony deserves some blame for that but the regression did start last year. The biggest problem has been health and confidence, far too much of the season we had awful weapons for the QB, he developed some bad habits and his confidence was shattered. I'd love to get Norv next year to run our offense but I still don't think it's fair to blame Tony.

PhinzN703
12-21-2012, 11:18 AM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

Right, Sparano was expected to propel the Jets O to Top 10 in the league right? Silly injuries

nyjunc
12-21-2012, 11:26 AM
Right, Sparano was expected to propel the Jets O to Top 10 in the league right? Silly injuries

so you think he had all the tools necessary to succeed?

Vaark
12-21-2012, 11:31 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/06/jr2t52-1.jpg
so you think he had all the tools necessary to succeed?

We've been telliing you that Henne had the same obstacles you are now attributing to Sanchez and The Meatball over the last 2 seasons, including an imploding diva #1 receiver. Henne turned out not to be too great either - nor did Henning, but I stand by my assertion that Henne would have led the Jest to the same 2 post seasons that Taco did. Hell, in '09 we were also 7-7 and would also have beaten Curtis Scary Painter in game 15 - so there's that too.

nyjunc
12-21-2012, 11:36 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/06/jr2t52-1.jpg

We've been telliing you that Henne had the same obstacles you are now attributing to Sanchez and The Meatball over the last 2 seasons, including an imploding diva #1 receiver. Henne turned out not to be too great either - nor did Henning, but I stand by my assertion that Henne would have led the Jest to the same 2 post seasons that Taco did. Hell, in '09 we were also 7-7 and would also have beaten Curtis Scary Painter in game 15 - so there's that too.



at Miami's worst the past few years they had much more than kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland and Reuland.

MadDog 88
12-21-2012, 02:11 PM
Morano can't even get the play call in, has no idea how or when to use Tebow and Dilfer referred to him as the "genius offensive coordinator."

Color me surprised the troll doesn't see the issue of how bad Morano is. I hop like hell they bring that idiot back.

WVDolphan
12-21-2012, 02:26 PM
Morano can't even get the play call in, has no idea how or when to use Tebow and Dilfer referred to him as the "genius offensive coordinator."

Color me surprised the troll doesn't see the issue of how bad Morano is. I hop like hell they bring that idiot back.

As much as we would love to see Tony back on the Jests sidelines next season, I think we all know his time in the NFL is coming to a close. He will be fortunate if he is in the league next season as an OL coach somewhere.

Ive never seen someone so incompetent running an offense. The countless times timeouts are wasted because of disorganization is astonishing.

PhinzN703
12-21-2012, 02:46 PM
so you think he had all the tools necessary to succeed?

I had no clue why they hired him as OC in the first place considering he didn't light the world on fire as coach in Miami. His conservative decision-making as a Dolphins HC gets him hired as the Jets OC? What was that?

PhinzN703
12-21-2012, 02:54 PM
at Miami's worst the past few years they had much more than kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland and Reuland.

Ted Ginn Jr. Greg Camarillo. Derrius Thompson. Cleo Lemon, Samkon Gado, Randy McMichael, Chad Henne....

TheWalrus
12-21-2012, 03:39 PM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

Jeremy Kerley is the best receiver on either the Dolphins or the Jets. Hill was out there for 11 games but despite being a high 2nd round draft pick with mega talent they couldn't find a way to coach him up and get him to produce. Schilens is basically equivalent to Hartline. Perhaps a little worse, but not a lot. Cumberland is one of the better #2 tight ends in the game, imo. He's a more complete player than either Fasano or Clay.

It's sort of circular to say that Tony can't be evaluated because the players on the field aren't that good, isn't it? That would imply you have to wait until the players are playing well to evaluate him, in which case he would always look good. Hardly a useful evaluation tool. It's the coaches job to make these guys play better and use them to the best of their ability. The Dolphins offense has hardly been stellar this year but it's better than it was last year with most of the same players... because the coaches are using them better and they're playing better. What a concept!

The guys you list outside of Rueland were all expected to contribute this year. In fact, all you've really been missing on offense is Santonio Holmes and Dustin Keller. Holmes is a very good to great player and Keller is a better than average tight end. Are you really saying they're the difference between a good offense and the utter **** the Jets are putting out there right now? Okay, then. :lol:

nyjunc
12-21-2012, 04:05 PM
Jeremy Kerley is the best receiver on either the Dolphins or the Jets. Hill was out there for 11 games but despite being a high 2nd round draft pick with mega talent they couldn't find a way to coach him up and get him to produce. Schilens is basically equivalent to Hartline. Perhaps a little worse, but not a lot. Cumberland is one of the better #2 tight ends in the game, imo. He's a more complete player than either Fasano or Clay.

It's sort of circular to say that Tony can't be evaluated because the players on the field aren't that good, isn't it? That would imply you have to wait until the players are playing well to evaluate him, in which case he would always look good. Hardly a useful evaluation tool. It's the coaches job to make these guys play better and use them to the best of their ability. The Dolphins offense has hardly been stellar this year but it's better than it was last year with most of the same players... because the coaches are using them better and they're playing better. What a concept!

The guys you list outside of Rueland were all expected to contribute this year. In fact, all you've really been missing on offense is Santonio Holmes and Dustin Keller. Holmes is a very good to great player and Keller is a better than average tight end. Are you really saying they're the difference between a good offense and the utter **** the Jets are putting out there right now? Okay, then. :lol:

I don't know about that. I like Kerley, excellent slot guy but not a guy who is your best WR commanding double teams. If our WR corps was healthy he;d be the 3rd or 4th option in the pass game instead of 1st- that is a HUGE difference.

Schilens is not equivalent to Hartline.

Expected to contribute yes but not expected to carry the load like they have. I am hopeing we get Norv Turner but I still don't think it's fair to blame Tony.

Vaark
12-21-2012, 05:26 PM
I don't know about that. I like Kerley, excellent slot guy but not a guy who is your best WR commanding double teams. If our WR corps was healthy he;d be the 3rd or 4th option in the pass game instead of 1st- that is a HUGE difference.

Schilens is not equivalent to Hartline.

Expected to contribute yes but not expected to carry the load like they have. I am hopeing we get Norv Turner but I still don't think it's fair to blame Tony.

At the season's outset you were maintaining that Kerley was better than Bess - but now you're singing a different tune, eh? And yeah Hartline is better than Schillens but possibly that's because he's got a much superior QB finally making him better? Don't blame the jest receivers for the ineptitude of Sanchez. And we told you that Tony was unqualified to be an OC, that the success he had here was standing by in '08 and letting David Lee and Henning do their thing and that over 2/3rds of the Dallas's yardage when he was calling plays was generated through their receivers and Todd Haley's designed plays. Hell, we even told you that the supposed OL "guru" couldn't even get that right.

Oh preemptively, before you predictably point out that I said at one point that Tony was better than Rex, I was wrong, marginally wrong but wrong anyway... once Parcells wasn't there to call the plays into his headset it became obvious. Without teams taking knees, they both will have finished with 1 legit winning season in 4, and while Tony has a division championship, Rex has 2 legit postseason wins, so he gets the nod - but just barely. And I did say that Rex was in over his head, that Ozzie Newsome knew what he was doing hiring a position coach over his DC and that Rex was on a Rich Kotite career trajectory from Philly to the NYJ - and the last several years have proven me right there too.

utahphinsfan
12-23-2012, 06:48 PM
Rex is over his head as a HC which is the chairman of the board with a pulse on all 3 functions, a vision of the future, and control and containment of the clubhouse. If the jest could convince him to be someone more competent's DC, they'd be fortunate; Tony at this point, based on how he's ****ed up our OL, and gave Hunter his stamp of approval I doubt is even qualified to revert back to OL coach. I see OL coordinator at some division 3 school in the rural Montana or the Ozarks in his future. But of course we've told all this to our resident trolls from the get-go and were informed we didnt' know what we were talking about.

I never in a million yrs thought he'd be an OC in the NFL this season after getting kicked to the curb in '11.

My guess was OL coach/running game co-ordinator for Pasqualoni (another Friend of Parcells) @ UConn.

nyjunc
12-24-2012, 09:15 AM
At the season's outset you were maintaining that Kerley was better than Bess - but now you're singing a different tune, eh? And yeah Hartline is better than Schillens but possibly that's because he's got a much superior QB finally making him better? Don't blame the jest receivers for the ineptitude of Sanchez. And we told you that Tony was unqualified to be an OC, that the success he had here was standing by in '08 and letting David Lee and Henning do their thing and that over 2/3rds of the Dallas's yardage when he was calling plays was generated through their receivers and Todd Haley's designed plays. Hell, we even told you that the supposed OL "guru" couldn't even get that right.

Oh preemptively, before you predictably point out that I said at one point that Tony was better than Rex, I was wrong, marginally wrong but wrong anyway... once Parcells wasn't there to call the plays into his headset it became obvious. Without teams taking knees, they both will have finished with 1 legit winning season in 4, and while Tony has a division championship, Rex has 2 legit postseason wins, so he gets the nod - but just barely. And I did say that Rex was in over his head, that Ozzie Newsome knew what he was doing hiring a position coach over his DC and that Rex was on a Rich Kotite career trajectory from Philly to the NYJ - and the last several years have proven me right there too.



I don't believe I said kerley was better than bess, please find the post and Kerley is not a #1 WR and neither is Bess but kerley has been our #1 weapon all season long which has affected his #s. Kerley should be our 3rd or 4th weapon in the passs game not 1st but thanks to injuries he has been #1 most of the year.


Proven you right? the man has 4 playoff wins and 2 title game apps. How in the world in that delusional little hea dof yours could you think you have possibly been proven right?

Vaark
12-24-2012, 10:12 AM
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I don't believe I said kerley was better than bess, please find the post and Kerley is not a #1 WR and neither is Bess but kerley has been our #1 weapon all season long which has affected his #s. Kerley should be our 3rd or 4th weapon in the passs game not 1st but thanks to injuries he has been #1 most of the year.


Proven you right? the man has 4 playoff wins and 2 title game apps. How in the world in that delusional little hea dof yours could you think you have possibly been proven right?

It's funny you're using all the same excuses that you refused to acknowledge about Henne - who could have accomplished the same if not more than Sanchez as he's now proving with Jacksonville, making more due with less.

As far as Rex being in over his head, take off those homer glasses and consider:

7-7+2 meaningless games to playoff-bound teams after crapping the bed by losing to Atlanta at home and losing 6 out of 7
11-5 legitimate post season but no divisional championship carrying his own div.
8-8 including crapping the bed while still in contention finishing the season out 4-5 with a +5 scoring differential over that time span
Possibly finishing 6-10 with 3 or 4 humiliating home blow-outs and possibly going 10-15 over the last 25 games.

Throw in several imploding clubhouses he was clueless about, guido coaches tripping gunners, sexual harrassment of foreign reporters, embarrassing foot sucking and wife pimping alternative lifestyle site postings, bird-flashing and F-bombing opposing fans, - not to mention a refusal to pull one of the worst QBs in the league, etc, and Ozzie Newsome knew what he was doing by risking losing a petulant but very good DC by going outside to hire a position coach instead of promoting him. The proof is in the pudding: Ozzie continues to go to the playoffs every year and now there are rumors circulating that the days are numbered of the bean counter who hired Rex. Like I said all along, there's an eerie similarity to Kotite's Philly - NYJ Head Coaching career trajectory. Both are moving towards crash and burn.

But if it helps you sleep at night deluding yourself that Rex isn't in over his head and is as qualified to be a HC as Lindsay Lohan is to star in the a biographic about the life of Aretha Franklin, knock yourself out!

nyjunc
12-24-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm not using any excuses, I'm stating facts. When did henne ever have the healthy weapons Sanchez had this year?

Yep Rex is clearly in over his head, if only we had Joe Philbin. I wish we had a HC that has never been in a playof race vs. one that has the most playoff wins in the league since he became a HC.

Nublar7
12-24-2012, 01:00 PM
I'm not using any excuses, I'm stating facts. When did henne ever have the healthy weapons Sanchez had this year?

Yep Rex is clearly in over his head, if only we had Joe Philbin. I wish we had a HC that has never been in a playof race vs. one that has the most playoff wins in the league since he became a HC.Rex has four playoff wins since he became a NFL head coach in 2009. So does Mike McCarthy, Tom Coughlin and Sean Payton. Except they have Lombardi trophys to show for it, what does Rex have?

I think it is pretty obvious, despite Rex's playoff wins over two years ago, that Miami is in better shape going forward than the Jets. From locker room stability, the quarterback situation, cap space, draft picks, etc. You have to at least agree with that.

PhinzN703
12-24-2012, 03:27 PM
I'm not using any excuses, I'm stating facts. When did henne ever have the healthy weapons Sanchez had this year?

Yep Rex is clearly in over his head, if only we had Joe Philbin. I wish we had a HC that has never been in a playof race vs. one that has the most playoff wins in the league since he became a HC.

I know you make it seem like you believe the media never has any facts and that they make stuff up but if Rex Ryan is the best coach in existance, why is there a chance he can be let go along with his GM and OC? 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, 6-10/7-9. He'll either be 34-30 or 35-29 in four years. Seeing as how Philbin could either be 7-9 or 8-8 in his first year, it makes no sense to make it seem like he's nowhere in Rex Ryan's class.

Mike13
12-24-2012, 06:12 PM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

We had four years of the mouth breather. We know what we're talking about.
He sucks as a HC. He is an obviously ****ty OC. The man does not have the smarts to be an NFL assistant let alone a head coach.
Much like Tebow, he is not cut out for the NFL.
It would be funny if Buffalo hired him, given their penchant for hiring Miami's past failures.

nyjunc
12-27-2012, 09:55 AM
I know you make it seem like you believe the media never has any facts and that they make stuff up but if Rex Ryan is the best coach in existance, why is there a chance he can be let go along with his GM and OC? 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, 6-10/7-9. He'll either be 34-30 or 35-29 in four years. Seeing as how Philbin could either be 7-9 or 8-8 in his first year, it makes no sense to make it seem like he's nowhere in Rex Ryan's class.

I don't believe there is any chance Rex gets let go, I think there is a chance Tannenbaum is fired but that's mainly bc our owner listens to whiny fans and media.

NYCBillsFan
01-01-2013, 09:43 PM
It's hard to evaluate Tony when we have had so many injuries on offense. The main weapons in the pass game have been kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland. we have issues w/ the RBs as well and if the QB is as bad as you guys say then how can Tony be properly evaluated?

Careful Junk, you are talking about one of the elite AFC teams there........:ponder:

nyjunc
01-02-2013, 09:32 AM
Careful Junk, you are talking about one of the elite AFC teams there........:ponder:

I never said we were elite in 2012, I said overall we were elite 2009-2011 w/ the most playoff wins in the AFC and tied for most in the league but 2011 individually was not elite and obviously 2012 wasn't. The elite days are in the past for now.

MadDog 88
01-02-2013, 11:51 AM
Junc needs to go to the Bills boards and shovel his **** there.

PhinzN703
01-02-2013, 12:23 PM
I never said we were elite in 2012, I said overall we were elite 2009-2011 w/ the most playoff wins in the AFC and tied for most in the league but 2011 individually was not elite and obviously 2012 wasn't. The elite days are in the past for now.

So elite in 2009 and 2010 but not since. :lol:

WVDolphan
01-02-2013, 01:02 PM
Junc needs to go to the Bills boards and shovel his **** there.

By next year he will have to leave the Bills boards and move on to Raiders and Jags boards. :lol:

Vaark
01-02-2013, 01:17 PM
I don't get how a team that lost a game at home that they needed to win vs dead Atlanta and was 7-7, recently having blown 6 out of 7, not beating a winning team since Houston in week 1 and beating teams with a cumulative sub .400 seasonal winning percentage, that was gifted into the playoffs by Polian after his undefeated team was leading at the half to make a point, and yanked all its starterscan be considered "elite." Well that's unless you're a blind, delusional, clueless homer. :idk:

Eli Manning would be offended being lumped in with that trainwreck.