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phinatic1399
01-16-2013, 01:28 PM
No. 12: Miami Dolphins

Kiperís pick: Cordarrelle Patterson (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/532092/cordarrelle-patterson), WR, Tennessee

Analysis: Itís hard to gauge who is the best receiver in this draft and whether that player will be worth a top-12 pick. However, Kiper pegs Patterson as the first receiver off the board going to the Dolphins. Itís early and player stocks change. But as of right now, Iím not convinced Patterson, Keenan Allen (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501550/keenan-allen) or any receiver in this yearís draft should go in the first dozen picks. This feels a bit like a reach. However, Miami needs receivers to help develop rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

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sirvmac
01-16-2013, 01:30 PM
I pray this happens.

Hayden Fox
01-16-2013, 01:32 PM
I like the pick. He is my first target if a receiver is not snagged in FA. If we do, I want Ansah.

SunsPhinsfan03
01-16-2013, 01:41 PM
on't like it. I would not go WR at 12, but if I did I would take Keenan Allen. If they sign a WR (Jennings?) in FA I servely doubt they take a WR at 12 and take 1 (Hopkins,Bailey,Woods) or maybe 2 in the 2nd.

hooshoops
01-16-2013, 01:47 PM
kids awfully leggy but those cuts and cod in the open field and ability to stop on a dime tell me he's got very good hips...i wouldn't hate this the more i've looked at the kid...if it's a wr with the top pick it's probably become for me either him or allen...

does that kid play to his size though??? i see a lot of finesse there and not much physical go up and high point the ball guy...physically i think allens a better prospect...

one things for sure if i got to choose b/t ansah or dion jordan and patterson or allen give me the wr all day long...

Sean
01-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Patterson is the most raw WR in the draft. I think he's worth a 2nd round pick. He's the not the best WR in the draft. Keenan Allen is the safest WR to take in this draft and neither is worth a top 15 pick. Maybe top 20.

uk_dolfan
01-16-2013, 01:56 PM
Seems a bit of a reach though maybe his stock will rise after the combine. If we get our free agent its tough to see us go WR in round one

ticophin
01-16-2013, 01:59 PM
Trade Back, either him or Allen might be there in the early 20īs...and, guess what, with the other pick, you we another good looking WR project in the 2nd round!! (Hunter, Hopkins, Woods, or Austin)

nyashfan
01-16-2013, 02:05 PM
He appears to have similar experience and college productivity as Stephen Hill. I'd rather get the best pass rusher at #12 or trade back into the late 20's and draft Eddie Lacey, or OL, etc. depending upon whether Bush or Long is re-signed. I hate to say it but I agree with Armando's column--get the WR in free agency.

PhinzN703
01-16-2013, 02:23 PM
Free agency obviously dictates who the Dolphins draft with their first rd pick. These mock drafts will need an asterisk next to them until just before the actual draft occurs since the Dolphins can easily address the WR issue they have in FA.

dolfan_101
01-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Allen has been getting dogged lately, I still feel he is the superior prospect for our situation on O

ITS!MATEO
01-16-2013, 04:55 PM
For all the people thinking he's a reach at 12, just know that he won't drop past 17. After the combine and his 40 he will be a for sure top 15 pick.

Danny
01-16-2013, 05:55 PM
I can't see our FO taking a WR at 12, even if we don't get one in free agency. I can see us droping back and taking one in the 20's tho.

Ozzy rules!!

jlfin
01-16-2013, 07:50 PM
pass rusher>>>WR

SF Dolphin Fan
01-16-2013, 11:50 PM
I would love that pick. I bet after the combine, Patterson could be considered a top 10 pick. We'll see.

Travis34
01-17-2013, 12:10 AM
Free agency obviously dictates who the Dolphins draft with their first rd pick. These mock drafts will need an asterisk next to them until just before the actual draft occurs since the Dolphins can easily address the WR issue they have in FA.

Definitely true. FA is going to shape the draft up nicely for us, we could assume.. But I do like the thought of getting Patterson, maybe he falls into the 2nd

Digital
01-17-2013, 12:30 AM
What makes the most sense is to take a veteran WCO WR like Jennings and draft a couple of young talented WR's in the draft for him to mentor. They play paired down route trees at first to stretch the field and rotate in as the 3rd and 4th WR's while getting more playing time when Jennings or Hartline are injured. By their 2nd or 3rd season they will be polished enough to take over as the main WR's in a 4 or 5 deep WR corps like Green Bay has. So, silly Armando is wrong ... it's not about getting our WR in FA. It's about getting our veteran mentor WR in FA AND then drafting 2 talented WR's to be mentored.

Yes, I'm fine with Cordarrelle Patterson at 12. In five years time we'll look back and say it was a steal, kinda the way the Giants do with JPP or the 49'ers do with Aldon Smith ... because talent trumps polish, and Patterson is simply more talented than Allen.

state06
01-17-2013, 02:40 AM
Even if we grab a WR in FA, i would love this pick, He is raw, but has the most upside and would add an element of explosion to our O. you want excitement? this kid brings that. His stock will rise and i do see him as the 1st WR taken come april. Give our young QB help for now AND for the future. I would take Patterson and one of the two top TEs in the 2nd if still available. All of our holes will not be filled in one offseason, regardless of the amount of $ or picks we have. Give RT some weapons so that he is ready for a consistant playoff push year in and year out sooner rather than later.

USSPhinterprise
01-17-2013, 12:56 PM
Depends on how he does at the combine and our FA signings...but I would be ok with this pick at 12 all things considered. He's a great talent.

MadDog 88
01-17-2013, 02:03 PM
I saw him on video for the first time today and the way he changed direction so smooth and quickly was almost like watching a tall Barry Sanders. Terrific vision and control of his body. Having only one year at FBS level indicates he has a tremendous amount of raw talent.

ckparrothead
01-17-2013, 02:05 PM
I wouldn't mind this. I like him for the pick. I also like Dee Milliner, Johnthan Banks, Tank Carridine and Alex Okafor. Or Manti Te'o were he to fall to the pick which it looks like he probably will.

I like Dion Jordan but the only reason I can't endorse him yet is I have a tough time trying to figure out how exactly he fits in the defense that Miami runs. If he has to go in for a position switch that's an automatic ding to your draft stock.

xXwarXx
01-17-2013, 02:16 PM
Kipper also has aaron Dobson as a late 1st rounder, watching more of him, I'm very intrigued by him.

Trying to trade back is looking more and more like the best move.

ckparrothead
01-17-2013, 02:47 PM
Keep in mind that Kiper is pretty tuned in to the scouts. His big board is tied more to what he's hearing from actual NFL evaluators than most other guys' boards. For example if he's got Aaron Dobson rated that high, he's got a scout or two buzzing in his ear telling him that, I can just about guarantee it.

The Goat
01-17-2013, 08:10 PM
Goodness gracious does that kid have vision. He kinda freaks me out with the way he runs, and he's very raw, but...wow.

Hayden Fox
01-17-2013, 10:20 PM
Keep in mind that Kiper is pretty tuned in to the scouts. His big board is tied more to what he's hearing from actual NFL evaluators than most other guys' boards. For example if he's got Aaron Dobson rated that high, he's got a scout or two buzzing in his ear telling him that, I can just about guarantee it.

Aaron Dobson was going to be my sleeper this year...guess not if he might go round one.

keller377
01-17-2013, 10:54 PM
I watched the first half of UT's season. I was not entirely convinced he knows that a receiver has hands to catch the football.

next-year
01-18-2013, 12:02 AM
I really want to say yeah i am cool with this pick, But he's just sooooo Raw, his route running is suspect at best, his hands from the games i have watched are not very reliable either.
I kinda have the mentality for drafting wr's that you arent just going to make them learn to catch when they get to the NFL no matter how much you practice it's just one of the innate attributes some WR's have. I do believe he has the potential to be phenomenal however I would like us to go with someone a little safer. IMO At the same time if we get him I'm not going to complain

xXwarXx
01-18-2013, 12:18 AM
I can't see philbin signing off on a wr who catches with his body.

Jordy Nelson couldn't even get off the bench in gb for awhile because he wasn't catching the ball consistently. So I sure as heck can't see philbin wanting a guy who catches with his body. I think we can safely cross him off.

ckparrothead
01-18-2013, 12:21 AM
The whole idea of a WR in the mid-1st is fraught with risk to begin with. Cordarrelle Patterson in the mid-1st probably even more so than normal. He's not for everyone. You have to be a believer.

I happen to think that size/speed/agility stuff is a little bit of a safety net. Not a perfect one by any means. But when you combine it with the kind of pure play making he did in the SEC, along with his hands which I actually think are quite good in almost all situations...spice in his returns value...and actually he might be a relatively safe pick in the way that you know you're going to get SOMETHING out of him, which you can't usually say about any receiver you ever draft.

Sometimes you've got to roll the dice if you want to get better at that position. Everyone's on this "big money free agent isn't the answer" kick. Well, if a big money free agent isn't the answer, and a guy like Cordarrelle Patterson isn't the answer, what the hell is the answer? The only other answer I can come up with is a total shotgun approach wherein we draft two or three guys all relatively high and see which ones pan out, and pray we've beaten the odds.

J Tes
01-18-2013, 12:57 AM
I wouldn't mind this. I like him for the pick. I also like Dee Milliner, Johnthan Banks, Tank Carridine and Alex Okafor. Or Manti Te'o were he to fall to the pick which it looks like he probably will.

I like Dion Jordan but the only reason I can't endorse him yet is I have a tough time trying to figure out how exactly he fits in the defense that Miami runs. If he has to go in for a position switch that's an automatic ding to your draft stock.
I love Carradine and was hoping he would be Miami's pick in round 2. Do you really think he's a possibility at 12? I figured his late November ACL tear dropped him a round. I has him as a top 15 player pre-injury

Digital
01-18-2013, 01:29 AM
Let's not try to define prospects using only 2 dimensions. Sure, straight line speed is a great thing, and a 40 time is a good indicator, but speed is really much more than that. Suddenness, burst, first step, explosion, acceleration, whatever you call it going from one speed (e.g. stopped or 2nd gear) and quickly kicking it up to a much faster speed is how many WR's create separation and get open deep. Someone without this burst but has a gradual build up to a top speed doesn't create much separation even if their top gear is faster. Sometimes it means they only get open deep very late in the play and can be covered by a safety over the top by that time. Patterson has tremendous burst, so even if his top speed clocks in around 4.45 instead of 4.40, he is still a dramatic deep threat.

Similaraly, lateral quickness often has little connection to vertical top speed. Some WR's can stop on a dime, and move laterally completely avoiding the tackler ala Barry Sanders. Now Patterson doesn't have Barry Sanders level ankle-breaking lateral quickness, but combine his phenomenal burst with tremendous change of direction skills, loose fluid hips, excellent vision for lanes and blocking, and a real knowledge of how to set up his blocks and willingness to use his blocking means this kid is going to be special IMHO.

I haven't seen that kind of ability in a Dolphin uniform very often. Maybe Reggie Bush has that kind of ability, but really I'm thinking about David Overstreet (RIP) and Mark Clayton type of OMFG type of dazzling, breath-taking open field style. It devestates defenses, scares safeties to death, demoralizes Defensive Coordinators, and embarasses LB's. This type of electrifying player would put butts in the seats for Ross, TD's in the stat column for Tannehill, open up running lanes for our OL, and be for our offense what Victor Cruz provides for the Giants.

I've liked Patterson since he broke into the Tennessee lineup, but I thought we would be able to get him in round 2 because he was so raw. Clearly, if we want him, we'll have to use our first rounder, and I'm on board with taking him at #12. These pass rushers really almost all had disappointing seasons leaving me with a very boom-or-bust feel for any of them available at #12, so I'm hoping we grab Patterson.

Kevlared
01-18-2013, 01:50 AM
i would be ok with the patterson pick. however i think he's the type of player who will have to develop for a year or two before he makes a significant impact at wr. he as all the ability in the world to be a great one but the finer aspects of him game need a lot of work like his hands and route running. if we want a player who has the potential to be elite then grab patterson. if we want a player who has the ability to come in and right away and play receiver at high level then we draft allen.

CANDolphan
01-18-2013, 02:53 AM
Oh my goodness Dobson is shooting up. I hadn't looked at him but I'm thinking boner city if we get Patterson and Dobson in the 2nd. Follow it up with a CB in the 2nd, Jordan Reed in the 3rd and you sign a good RT in free agency.

ckparrothead
01-18-2013, 01:02 PM
I love Carradine and was hoping he would be Miami's pick in round 2. Do you really think he's a possibility at 12? I figured his late November ACL tear dropped him a round. I has him as a top 15 player pre-injury

I think the NFL is going to keep a very close eye on his ACL progress because prior to injuring the ACL he may have been on his way to being a top 10 pick. That's the truth. I see Jason Pierre-Paul comparisons being tossed around for different prospects all the time but Carridine is the one guy that reminds of Pierre-Paul.

Think about it this way. RIGHT NOW Bjoern Werner is considered the best defensive end in the class, and possibly the best defensive player in the Draft. That may not hold until Draft day but that's where he's at right now. Keeping that in mind, an argument could be made that Carridine was even better, prior to getting hurt. Mind you I don't necessarily think so, I think Werner was better, but the argument could be made and it's a valid argument. If someone tried to say Brandon Jenkins is better, I don't think that's a valid argument. I don't think you could come even close to making that argument. But with Carridine, I can see it. I don't necessarily agree but I see the argument.

Carridine didn't start the Murray State game because Brandon Jenkins played in the game, and he got hurt at the end of the Florida game so he didn't play against Georgia Tech or Northern Illinois. He had 11.0 sacks and 13.0 TFLs in the 12 games. But he also had an incredible 80 tackles during that span. Werner only had 42 tackles on the season in 14 games. Werner had 8.0 sacks excluding the Murray State and Savannah State games. Carridine had 10.0 sacks in that same stretch. Again I'm not saying Carridine was a better football player than Werner in 2012 but there's an argument to be made.

And if that's the case, and Bjoern Werner is not only the #1 DE in this Draft but the #1 defensive player in this Draft...where does that put Carridine? It sure doesn't put him "top 50" or "top 75". It puts him closer to "top 15".

Thing is obviously, the ACL is a risk. But HOW MUCH of a risk? To my knowledge the injury was pretty clean, just the ACL and not any of the other ligaments. James Andrews says that there's a 95% success rate with ACL surgeries nowadays. The main problem with the ACL is the possibility that he doesn't play in 2013. But considering you have reserve lists like the PUP and NFI, to where you can have a guy come back to you in Week 8 to 10 if you want, I think he would play by then, if not sooner.

This is where you really balance long term versus short term. If you go with Cornellius Carridine then you're sacrificing short term benefit in exchange for quite possibly (not probably, but possibly) ending up with the best defensive player in the 2013 NFL Draft.

In all likelihood Carridine wouldn't be a target at #12 overall but would potentially be a target in a trade down. But I don't think you can trade down too far. Willis McGahee tore the hell out of his knee and still went 1st round. I seriously doubt Carridine makes it to Miami's #42 overall pick.

J Tes
01-18-2013, 02:28 PM
I think the NFL is going to keep a very close eye on his ACL progress because prior to injuring the ACL he may have been on his way to being a top 10 pick. That's the truth. I see Jason Pierre-Paul comparisons being tossed around for different prospects all the time but Carridine is the one guy that reminds of Pierre-Paul.

Think about it this way. RIGHT NOW Bjoern Werner is considered the best defensive end in the class, and possibly the best defensive player in the Draft. That may not hold until Draft day but that's where he's at right now. Keeping that in mind, an argument could be made that Carridine was even better, prior to getting hurt. Mind you I don't necessarily think so, I think Werner was better, but the argument could be made and it's a valid argument. If someone tried to say Brandon Jenkins is better, I don't think that's a valid argument. I don't think you could come even close to making that argument. But with Carridine, I can see it. I don't necessarily agree but I see the argument.

Carridine didn't start the Murray State game because Brandon Jenkins played in the game, and he got hurt at the end of the Florida game so he didn't play against Georgia Tech or Northern Illinois. He had 11.0 sacks and 13.0 TFLs in the 12 games. But he also had an incredible 80 tackles during that span. Werner only had 42 tackles on the season in 14 games. Werner had 8.0 sacks excluding the Murray State and Savannah State games. Carridine had 10.0 sacks in that same stretch. Again I'm not saying Carridine was a better football player than Werner in 2012 but there's an argument to be made.

And if that's the case, and Bjoern Werner is not only the #1 DE in this Draft but the #1 defensive player in this Draft...where does that put Carridine? It sure doesn't put him "top 50" or "top 75". It puts him closer to "top 15".

Thing is obviously, the ACL is a risk. But HOW MUCH of a risk? To my knowledge the injury was pretty clean, just the ACL and not any of the other ligaments. James Andrews says that there's a 95% success rate with ACL surgeries nowadays. The main problem with the ACL is the possibility that he doesn't play in 2013. But considering you have reserve lists like the PUP and NFI, to where you can have a guy come back to you in Week 8 to 10 if you want, I think he would play by then, if not sooner.

This is where you really balance long term versus short term. If you go with Cornellius Carridine then you're sacrificing short term benefit in exchange for quite possibly (not probably, but possibly) ending up with the best defensive player in the 2013 NFL Draft.

In all likelihood Carridine wouldn't be a target at #12 overall but would potentially be a target in a trade down. But I don't think you can trade down too far. Willis McGahee tore the hell out of his knee and still went 1st round. I seriously doubt Carridine makes it to Miami's #42 overall pick.

I agree. I'm not questioning Carradine's talent at all. Talent wise, there's no doubt in my mind that he's worthy of consideration at #12. The reason I don't believe that he is is becuase of the injury and the possiblity that you won't get much of a return on your investmant the first year. I'm not sure that Jeff Ireland has that luxury

ckparrothead
01-18-2013, 02:43 PM
I agree. I'm not questioning Carradine's talent at all. Talent wise, there's no doubt in my mind that he's worthy of consideration at #12. The reason I don't believe that he is is becuase of the injury and the possiblity that you won't get much of a return on your investmant the first year. I'm not sure that Jeff Ireland has that luxury

Jeff Ireland won't do it for precisely that reason. But I never let what Jeff Ireland would or wouldn't do deter me from a player.

dolfan_101
01-18-2013, 03:29 PM
Jeff Ireland won't do it for precisely that reason. But I never let what Jeff Ireland would or wouldn't do deter me from a player.

that's a wise strategy, very wise haha

justdev7
01-18-2013, 11:37 PM
Allen has been getting dogged lately, I still feel he is the superior prospect for our situation on O

The knock I here is that he can't separate. But I don't see that when I watch him. I see a big wr who uses his size well in his routes and has amazing agility for a player his size.

I can't get over how much this guy reminds me of b marsh. And in my mind he's easily the #1 WR.

But I'm in the minority because I still think Justin hunter is a better prospect than Patterson. I just don't see any physicality from Patterson. I wouldn't pick him before our 3rd pick.

X-FACTOR
01-19-2013, 01:33 AM
Goodness gracious does that kid have vision. He kinda freaks me out with the way he runs, and he's very raw, but...wow.

Indeed!!!

Kevlared
01-19-2013, 02:15 AM
The knock I here is that he can't separate. But I don't see that when I watch him. I see a big wr who uses his size well in his routes and has amazing agility for a player his size.

I can't get over how much this guy reminds me of b marsh. And in my mind he's easily the #1 WR.

But I'm in the minority because I still think Justin hunter is a better prospect than Patterson. I just don't see any physicality from Patterson. I wouldn't pick him before our 3rd pick.
im pretty sure that one of allen strengths is his route running ability and his ability to separate....the reason why allen has been dogged is because people are worried about his knee and there are also people questioning his long speed.

The Goat
01-19-2013, 11:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxkQXlCAfE

I really should stop watching this video, because the more I watch it, the more I want the Fins to draft him.

My "vision" comment from earlier is apparent throughout the video, but please note :37 and 7:04 specifically.

There are plenty of times we watch football on TV, and ask "how the heck did he not see that hole?" The answer, obviously, is that they're at ground level, and can't see as clearly as we can from a bird's-eye view.

This is the complete opposite. At those two points (as well as a few others), he cuts to a hole AS it's opening up, and I keep asking "how the heck did he SEE that?". He anticipates and reacts. That's exceptional at any level of football.



...and I JUST realized who he reminds me of...a bigger, stronger version of THIS guy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ojNUQae8uA

j-off-her-doll
01-19-2013, 12:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxkQXlCAfE

I really should stop watching this video, because the more I watch it, the more I want the Fins to draft him.

My "vision" comment from earlier is apparent throughout the video, but please note :37 and 7:04 specifically.

There are plenty of times we watch football on TV, and ask "how the heck did he not see that hole?" The answer, obviously, is that they're at ground level, and can't see as clearly as we can from a bird's-eye view.

This is the complete opposite. At those two points (as well as a few others), he cuts to a hole AS it's opening up, and I keep asking "how the heck did he SEE that?". He anticipates and reacts. That's exceptional at any level of football.



...and I JUST realized who he reminds me of...a bigger, stronger version of THIS guy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ojNUQae8uA

The similarities are remarkable. Good call!

ckparrothead
01-19-2013, 04:36 PM
I think he's essentially Tavon Austin only 6 inches taller and therefore able to work the outside.

2413fanphins
01-19-2013, 04:42 PM
CK... whats up with the UD website? I havent' been there forever, but went today and it seems outdated... is still going or did I miss something?

ckparrothead
01-19-2013, 04:52 PM
CK... whats up with the UD website? I havent' been there forever, but went today and it seems outdated... is still going or did I miss something?

It's defunct. The guy who owns it and was updating it is pretty much retired from doing anything Draft related. He's got a lot of home issues to work out, health issues with family, etc.

X-FACTOR
01-19-2013, 06:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxkQXlCAfE

I really should stop watching this video, because the more I watch it, the more I want the Fins to draft him.

My "vision" comment from earlier is apparent throughout the video, but please note :37 and 7:04 specifically.

There are plenty of times we watch football on TV, and ask "how the heck did he not see that hole?" The answer, obviously, is that they're at ground level, and can't see as clearly as we can from a bird's-eye view.

This is the complete opposite. At those two points (as well as a few others), he cuts to a hole AS it's opening up, and I keep asking "how the heck did he SEE that?". He anticipates and reacts. That's exceptional at any level of football.



...and I JUST realized who he reminds me of...a bigger, stronger version of THIS guy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ojNUQae8uA

I must admit I have that same feeling. Talk about playmaking skills (I loved Eric Metcalf). I can hardly wait for his workouts to start, but to be honest I've seen enough already, who needs them. So C.K. or somebody, please slowly walk me back from the edge of the cliff. Are there other recievers in this draft with a similar playmaking skill set or is he head and shoulders above the rest?