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fanfin
01-22-2013, 09:43 PM
we will most likely draft a defensive end. here is my rankings 1-10 with a scouting report done by yours truely after watching atleast 2 games on each prospect. nfl player comparisons were done as well..

#1 Bjoern Werner FSU 6'4 255
Good stance , Good get off, Good size, Can be lower in the run game ,Shows ability to dip inside hip and shoulder and bend around the corner, Has a knack for tipping passes at the line of scrimmage, Good understanding of the game for an inexperienced player, Is on the ground too much, Quick hands uses them well rushing the passer, Good pursuit to the ball,Asset in the run game, Knows when to counter, Keeps contain on backside of boots, Makes plays down the line of scrimmage, Solid tackler,Disengages well in run game,Effective in line games,Shows good chop rip and club rip move,Strictly 4-3 D End

Compares to Chris Long

#2 Damontre Moore Texas A&M 6'4 250

Good stance, Explosive get off,Good size,Slants very well,Very good against cut blocks,Nice spin move,Shows good pursuit,Good contain on backside boot action,Form tackle,Asset in run game,Gets hands up when rush fails,Counters to inside well,Solid bull rush,Dips and runs the corner,Could use more diverse pass rush moves,Capable of rushing the passer from the inside in nickel situations, can play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB

Compares to Justin Tuck


#3 Barkevious Mingo LSU 6'5 240
Good stance,Gets off the ball better than anyone this draft,Gets stood up in run game when pads are high,Disengages in run game at times,Track speed,Great athlete,Spin move is pretty solid,Nice hesitation move, Gets hands in passing lanes,Good pursuit,Stunts well,Dips and runs corner outstanding,Makes effort to strip football,Good screen recognition,Effective club and swim move,Not a consistent tackler,Shows a good long arm stab move,Quick hands,Can drop in coverage effectively,Best pass rusher in draft,Could add 10-20 lbs,Can play 4-3 d end or 3-4 OLB

Compares to Bruce Irvin


#4 Brandon Jenkins FSU 6'3 265
Great stance,Great get off,Uses long arm move,Keeps great contain in run and pass game,Knows when to counter inside,Dips his shoulder and runs the corner perfect,Very effective on twists,Sheds blocks in the run game,Great spin move,Best pass rush moves in the draft,Asset in the run game,Foot injury may be a concern,Can play 4-3 de or 3-4 olb

Compares to Trent Cole



#5 Datone Jones UCLA 6'4 280
Good stance ,Gets off the ball well,Great interior pass rusher,Can play 4-3 DE 3-4 DE and nickel DT,Great swim move,Good pad level,Uses hands well in run game,Good motor,Extremely quick hands,Good bull rush,Effective in line games,Can block kicks,Big time asset in run game,Gets hands up when rush fails

Compares to Cameron Jordan

#6 Dion Jordan 6'7 243 Oregon
Bends well for 67,Disengages versus run,Falls for pump fakes in coverage,Explosive first step off the ball,Sets the edge,Dips shoulder and runs corner extremely well for being 67 Could add 10-20 lbs,Decent bull rush,Solid pursuit,Great contain on the backside of running plays,Covers ground quick,Extends arms well,Should use swim move more often,Can cover back and tight ends in man coverage,good underneath zone defender because of height and arm length,good rip move can play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB

Compares to Michael Johnson


#7 Tank Carradine 6'5 265 FSU
Good stance,Good get off,Great size,Runs corner very well,Redirects rush when qb climbs the pocket,Dips shoulder ,Very nice swim move,Stunts well,Good run defender,Separates well,Gives great effort in pursuit

Compares to Jason Pierre-Paul


#8 Alex Okafor 6'5 261 Texas
good stance,kick starts with his back foot in his get off,runs corner well,plays run hard,good pad level,nice stab slap move,nice variety in pass rush,good motor,knack for forcing fumbles,can play 4-3 de and 3-4 olb

compares to John Abraham


#9 Sam Montgomery 6'5 265 LSU
Good stance,Slow off the ball,Decent speed rush,Bull rush is effective,Needs a pass rush repertoire,Plays very hard,Extremely violent hands in the run game,Great run defender,Runs plays down from the backside,Good size,stiff

Compares to Chandler Jones


#10 Corey Lemonier 6'3 245 Auburn
Good stance,Explodes off the ball,Plays low blocks well,Turns the corner very well,Needs diversity in pass rush,Although undersized displays great pad level in run game,Capable of being a solid underneath zone defender,Undersized,Slants very well,Good in pursuit,Extends arms well ,can play 4-3 d e and 3-4 olb

compares to Cliff Avril

Kdawg954
01-22-2013, 10:45 PM
I woulnd't mind if we drafted 2 of those 10 guys.

I'm thinking Dion Jordan and Tank Carradine. Dion Jordan would just bring so much athleticism to our LB group. He'd essentially become our own version of Von Miller. Then Tank with that second pick in the 3rd round (falls due to injury) we could put opposite of Cam Wake up front while kicking Odrick inside next to big Paul.

Remember we got Misi in his final year, and Dansby/Burnett could potentially be in there final years with ballooning contracts in 2014. Draft a pair of WR's and a CB with those 2 2nd round picks and that first 3rd rounder.

fanfin
01-22-2013, 10:48 PM
jenkins could also fall due to a foot injury

justdev7
01-22-2013, 11:08 PM
Not sure about how Moore compares to Justin tuck. But I agree with Werner being the top guy.

I think Jenkins and lemonier will end up being steals.

I think my top 5 would go

1. Werner
2. Moore
3. Jordan (who I think people assume can't hold his water against the run, but I think he does a more than acceptable job for the impact plays he'll make in the passing game)
4. Ansah
5. Margus Hunt

hooshoops
01-22-2013, 11:28 PM
i would disagree with some of that but it's pretty well done op...

2413fanphins
01-23-2013, 12:23 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if jenkins and carradine have a better career than werner....i hate knowing werner will go to jax or oakland.

I hope we land one of the three fsu boys.

fanfin
01-23-2013, 01:16 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if jenkins and carradine have a better career than werner....i hate knowing werner will go to jax or oakland.

I hope we land one of the three fsu boys.
I would take Jenkins with our first second rounder.. Carradine too if they check out ok medically... both are big time talents who could be the two biggest steals of the draft

CANDolphan
01-23-2013, 02:21 AM
I like the effort, like the writeups

The comparisons are way off base. There's a JPP clone in the draft and you skipped him! Hint, he's on BYU ;)

Thanks for the OP tho!

Hayden Fox
01-23-2013, 06:37 AM
I love the Jones kid from UCLA from what I have seen this week. Could be a good fit for Miami. Okafor is solid to.

I was very high on Ansah coming into this week and I have cooled a lot. He is just not ready to help a team that needs help now. Too much of a major project.

finfan54
01-23-2013, 07:13 AM
I like the effort, like the writeups

The comparisons are way off base. There's a JPP clone in the draft and you skipped him! Hint, he's on BYU ;)

Thanks for the OP tho!

some people on NFLN are totally dispelling this notion.

finfan54
01-23-2013, 07:17 AM
I love the Jones kid from UCLA from what I have seen this week. Could be a good fit for Miami. Okafor is solid to.

I was very high on Ansah coming into this week and I have cooled a lot. He is just not ready to help a team that needs help now. Too much of a major project.

Now your talkin. Anybody picked at 12 better be ready to go full time and "plug and play" from day one. Thats how I look at the first round pick. Most players take a couple years to really get going. Others get lucky and go to a team that is already established with a strong Dline. Giants ex.

That is why I stick to Eifert. He will start day one and be a big part of this offense IMO the way Joe P. looks to this offense.

hooshoops
01-23-2013, 09:37 AM
that jpp stuff with ansah is WAY WAY off base...been trying to tell you guys that

fanfin
01-23-2013, 10:12 AM
I like the effort, like the writeups

The comparisons are way off base. There's a JPP clone in the draft and you skipped him! Hint, he's on BYU ;)

Thanks for the OP tho!

yeah he scares me with a first round pick not near the caliber of athlete of JPP and he is way to raw... Carradine compares bc of size and being a former juco prospect

SF Dolphin Fan
01-23-2013, 12:30 PM
I woulnd't mind if we drafted 2 of those 10 guys.

I'm thinking Dion Jordan and Tank Carradine. Dion Jordan would just bring so much athleticism to our LB group. He'd essentially become our own version of Von Miller. Then Tank with that second pick in the 3rd round (falls due to injury) we could put opposite of Cam Wake up front while kicking Odrick inside next to big Paul.

Remember we got Misi in his final year, and Dansby/Burnett could potentially be in there final years with ballooning contracts in 2014. Draft a pair of WR's and a CB with those 2 2nd round picks and that first 3rd rounder.I like that strategy a lot.

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I like the effort, like the writeups

The comparisons are way off base. There's a JPP clone in the draft and you skipped him! Hint, he's on BYU ;)

Thanks for the OP tho!Yeah, the comparisons aren't very good for the most part.

fanfin
01-23-2013, 12:37 PM
I like that strategy a lot.

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Yeah, the comparisons aren't very good for the most part.

How so? the comparisons aren''t to say that so and so will be better than the player they are compared to, just a known defensive end who plays similar to the prospect. I think the comparisons I did were great

fanfin
01-23-2013, 12:45 PM
werner is a high motor tough complete d end like chris long
moore is also a complete d end who can rush inside on passing downs like justin tuck
mingo is a tremendous athlete who needs to work on the run game like bruce irvin
jenkins is an explosive pass rusher with multiple moves like trent cole
datone jones is a 43 LDE or 3-4 pass rushing DE like Cam Jordan
Dion Jordan is 6'7 and can run like michael johnson
carradine is an explosive, flexible, powerful former juco de like JPP
okafor is built and runs the corner and forces fumbles like john abraham
sam montgomery is built similar to jones but is a weaker pass rusher but stronger run player than Chandler Jones
lemonier is an undersized explosive edge rusher similar to Cliff Avril

j-off-her-doll
01-23-2013, 01:13 PM
Speaking of Sam Montgomery, he might have the worst first step from a potential 1st Round DE that I've ever seen. He's always the last one out of his stance. DT's beating him out of his stance. How many off sides penalties does he have for his career? It shouldn't be more than one. But if he just gets a decent jump, he's very effective. Plays very strong, great use of hands, nice agility and ability to change directions, and he has counters.

He's kind of out there in the weeds of the late-1st through the mid-2nd. He was a very productive player one of of the best defenses in the best conference in college football, and he does a lot of things very well, but that first step . . . it's just stupid how slow it is.

fanfin
01-23-2013, 01:18 PM
Speaking of Sam Montgomery, he might have the worst first step from a potential 1st Round DE that I've ever seen. He's always the last one out of his stance. DT's beating him out of his stance. How many off sides penalties does he have for his career? It shouldn't be more than one. But if he just gets a decent jump, he's very effective. Plays very strong, great use of hands, nice agility and ability to change directions, and he has counters.

He's kind of out there in the weeds of the late-1st through the mid-2nd. He was a very productive player one of of the best defenses in the best conference in college football, and he does a lot of things very well, but that first step . . . it's just stupid how slow it is.

I know right? I laugh when I see him top 10 in peoples mock drafts. Just shows they watch no film. He is the slowest off the ball I have ever seen among a potential first rounder. being a former college d end first step is everything. He has no pass rush moves either besides a decent bull rush. that being said he is probably the best stopping the run besides Bjoern Werner

dcnr226
01-23-2013, 04:25 PM
Now your talkin. Anybody picked at 12 better be ready to go full time and "plug and play" from day one. Thats how I look at the first round pick. Most players take a couple years to really get going. Others get lucky and go to a team that is already established with a strong Dline. Giants ex.

That is why I stick to Eifert. He will start day one and be a big part of this offense IMO the way Joe P. looks to this offense.

I agree. If you love a guy, trade up to get him. But the #12 overall pick in the draft should be an NFL ready playmaker, and Eifert is a first down machine. WR can be addressed in FA cough*mikewallace*cough

TNfinfan84
01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
After watching senior bowl practices I want datone Jones from UCLA with late second round pick that kid is a beast only de that beat Eric Fisher in the practices

fanfin
01-26-2013, 02:02 PM
After watching senior bowl practices I want datone Jones from UCLA with late second round pick that kid is a beast only de that beat Eric Fisher in the practices

idk if he will be there he looks more late first than late second

CANDolphan
01-26-2013, 02:20 PM
that jpp stuff with ansah is WAY WAY off base...been trying to tell you guys that

I should clarify. I see a guy who just learned his position, just bulked up, and still is athletically gifted and has an insanely high ceiling.

That's JPP to me.

utahphinsfan
01-26-2013, 03:38 PM
The comparisons are way off base. There's a JPP clone in the draft and you skipped him! Hint, he's on BYU ;)


Why sign Johnson when you can draft Jordan? Its the same rationale as letting Long go and drafting Fisher.

Jordan who I like is more like JPP than Ansah is.

I am by no means a byu fan (U of Utah rules) but Ziggy was the best player on byu's D this yr. In fact, he was so unlike the typical cougar (way to atheltic) defender that I'm surprised he saw the field.

That being said, my preferances are; Jordan, Mingo, & Montgomery.

Here is a thought... What about taking a flyer on Kindle who was just relased by the Ravens? It could be the textbook definition of low risk/high reward.

Hayden Fox
01-26-2013, 06:05 PM
that jpp stuff with ansah is WAY WAY off base...been trying to tell you guys that

Ansah is way more athletic than you make him out to be...

CANDolphan
01-27-2013, 04:07 AM
I'm genuinely expecting a 6'6 270 lb guy like Ansah to run a 4.6x and shoot up the draft boards. I re-watched him after hoops comments and I see JPP again. I just can't deny it.

Birdmond
01-27-2013, 07:32 AM
I'm genuinely expecting a 6'6 270 lb guy like Ansah to run a 4.6x and shoot up the draft boards. I re-watched him after hoops comments and I see JPP again. I just can't deny it.

After watching the Senior Bowl I'm certainly intrigued. I'd be okay with Ansah or Werner.