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Roman529
01-25-2013, 04:01 AM
Three months from tonight we will be making arguable the most important picks in the past decade or two. Five picks in the first THREE rounds. Lets hope Ireland is focused and gets it right.

I just don't think we can afford to re-sign Jake Long. I think if Eric Fisher is on the board, and not taken by the Chargers at #11, then we grab him. Fisher is 6'7", 305, and has way better feet and movement than Long ever had. I know many of you are saying you will kill Ireland if he takes an OL in the first round, but we probably will have to as I don't see us sticking with Long, and Martin needs to go back to RT.

I think we will sign a #1 WR through Free Agency.....my guess is Greg Jennings. We can then focus on someone besides a WR in round one. I really like Desmond Trufant, the Washington Huskies CB. He held his own against Pac-10 WR's in games I watched and has two brothers in the NFL...Desmond is going to be better than both of them.

West Virginia's Stedman Bailey is as good a WR as Tavon Austin....he may not be as fast as Austin but I think Bailey has better hands and can bring the ball in against taller defenders. Bailey is great at adjusting to the flight of the ball and timing his jumps. Bailey just needs to add some bulk, but should be able to compete for a #2 or #3 WR spot.

Carradine, Dobson and Sims all fulfill our biggest needs and are guys who can play right away.

Dolphins 2013 Draft -

1. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
2A. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
2B. Stedman Bailey, WR, WVU
3A. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3B. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
4. Dion Sims, TE. Michigan State

FA - Sign Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace, Don't re-sign J. Long

ThrowDaTD
01-25-2013, 04:10 AM
I can definitely get onboard with those picks. If we plan to re-sign Long, and Warmack slides to 12, I'd take him.

Birdmond
01-25-2013, 07:33 AM
I'm thinking Fisher will be a top 10 pick. I'd prefer to find a RT via free agency and draft Patterson at 12.

Pitbull13
01-25-2013, 08:42 AM
I think its a DE at 1 and an OT at 3.

fininpsl
01-25-2013, 09:44 AM
I'm fine with that draft, though I'm not sure Carradine will be there in the 3rd. Our resident draftniks here seem to think he's going much earlier. I agree with you on your opinion on taking an o-lineman in the 1st. IF we don't re-sign Long it's a strong possibility, and to me it's crazier to pay Long $9-$11 million than it is to draft another tackle in the first. That said it looks like a deep draft at OT, and we might be better off going CB or DE in the first and picking a guy like Justin Pugh in the 2nd.

J Tes
01-25-2013, 10:21 AM
Three months from tonight we will be making arguable the most important picks in the past decade or two. Five picks in the first THREE rounds. Lets hope Ireland is focused and gets it right.

I just don't think we can afford to re-sign Jake Long. I think if Eric Fisher is on the board, and not taken by the Chargers at #11, then we grab him. Fisher is 6'7", 305, and has way better feet and movement than Long ever had. I know many of you are saying you will kill Ireland if he takes an OL in the first round, but we probably will have to as I don't see us sticking with Long, and Martin needs to go back to RT.

I think we will sign a #1 WR through Free Agency.....my guess is Greg Jennings. We can then focus on someone besides a WR in round one. I really like Desmond Trufant, the Washington Huskies CB. He held his own against Pac-10 WR's in games I watched and has two brothers in the NFL...Desmond is going to be better than both of them.

West Virginia's Stedman Bailey is as good a WR as Tavon Austin....he may not be as fast as Austin but I think Bailey has better hands and can bring the ball in against taller defenders. Bailey is great at adjusting to the flight of the ball and timing his jumps. Bailey just needs to add some bulk, but should be able to compete for a #2 or #3 WR spot.

Carradine, Dobson and Sims all fulfill our biggest needs and are guys who can play right away.

Dolphins 2013 Draft -

1. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
2A. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
2B. Stedman Bailey, WR, WVU
3A. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3B. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
4. Dion Sims, TE. Michigan State

FA - Sign Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace, Don't re-sign J. Long
You may have to swap Bailey to your first 2nd rounder and hope he slips that far. Highly unlikely Dobson slips until late round 3. Carradine is a top of the first round talent that's coming off of an ACL tear. Even if his rookie year is a wash he's a steal in round 3

RockyMtnPhinfan
01-25-2013, 10:28 AM
Dear Santa: Please don't let Jeff Ireland pick an offensive lineman in the first round of the draft

Ikema
01-25-2013, 10:51 AM
Dear Santa please let Ireland make the best possible pick in the first round even if it is an offense of lineman

Kdawg954
01-25-2013, 10:57 AM
I just can't cosign Offensive Line with that first pick at the 12 spot. I mean when does it end.

If Jeff Ireland is real savvy, he finds a way to trade back and get Cooper and Eiffert along with Bailey and Trufant . . . and then picks up a ZBS tackle in round 4.

JEDIJ007
01-25-2013, 12:02 PM
I'd be good with that.

RockyMtnPhinfan
01-25-2013, 01:16 PM
I suppose, relative to Long's contract, we'd be getting a deal (cost wise because of the CBA) but the linemen picks in round one is getting stale IMO. It's obvious other teams have found value later in the draft. I'm ready for a glitz and glamour pick- it's just too bad there isn't one of those in the WR dept this draft.

PSU Cane
01-25-2013, 01:44 PM
I suppose, relative to Long's contract, we'd be getting a deal (cost wise because of the CBA) but the linemen picks in round one is getting stale IMO. It's obvious other teams have found value later in the draft. I'm ready for a glitz and glamour pick- it's just too bad there isn't one of those in the WR dept this draft.


Some teams have found value later in the draft, but the top teams this year have bookend tackles taken high.

Patriots - Solder (1), Vollmer (2)
Baltimore - McKinnie (1), Oher (1)
SF - Staley (1), Davis (1)
Falcons - Baker (1), Clabo (udfa)....also have 2 2nd rounders in Konz/Blalock at guard.
Broncos - Clady (1), Franklin (2)
Seattle - Okung (1), Giacomini (5)
Green Bay - Newhouse (5), Barclay (udfa).....and their line is a disaster and one of the biggest reasons they struggled this year

As you can see, the best teams in the league have spent high picks to protect their QB, and with good reason.

nyfinzfan
01-25-2013, 02:01 PM
Thatd be fantastic. Good Job.

Tannchise
01-25-2013, 02:22 PM
Martin was Luck's LT. So what you are saying is draft a RT at #12? How many picks will we dedicate to the OL. Just invest in a good OL coach

madmic21
01-25-2013, 02:35 PM
Martin was Luck's LT. So what you are saying is draft a RT at #12? How many picks will we dedicate to the OL. Just invest in a good OL coach

Unfortunately coaching does not make ****ty players good enough. It is the NFL man you need a heavy combo of talent and coaching to be good enough to compete against the best.

datruth55
01-25-2013, 02:52 PM
Some teams have found value later in the draft, but the top teams this year have bookend tackles taken high.

Patriots - Solder (1), Vollmer (2)
Baltimore - McKinnie (1), Oher (1)
SF - Staley (1), Davis (1)
Falcons - Baker (1), Clabo (udfa)....also have 2 2nd rounders in Konz/Blalock at guard.
Broncos - Clady (1), Franklin (2)
Seattle - Okung (1), Giacomini (5)
Green Bay - Newhouse (5), Barclay (udfa).....and their line is a disaster and one of the biggest reasons they struggled this year

As you can see, the best teams in the league have spent high picks to protect their QB, and with good reason.
And every single one of those teams have taken playermakers and skill positions on offense in the top 3 rounds while we have taken Ryan Tannehill, Micheal Egnew, Patrick Turner and Daniel Thomas as the only four taken in the top 3 rounds. Regardless of whether they work out or not there has been little to no effort to address the positions that get points on the board.

San Francisco for example has three 1st round O-lineman...a good reason their O-line dominates...but they also have two 1st round WRs in Michael Crabtree and A.J. Jenkins, another former 1st round WR that they signed as a free agent in Randy Moss, a 2nd round QB in Colin Kaepernick, a 3rd round RB in Frank Gore, a 2nd round RB in LaMichael James, a 1st round TE in Vernon Davis not to mention a 1st round QB sitting on the bench. So yeah I'd be fine with taking more offensive lineman early in the draft...as long as we get two 1st round WRs and a 1st round TE to go with them.

abNORMal
01-25-2013, 04:16 PM
And every single one of those teams have taken playermakers and skill positions on offense in the top 3 rounds while we have taken Ryan Tannehill, Micheal Egnew, Patrick Turner and Daniel Thomas as the only four taken in the top 3 rounds. Regardless of whether they work out or not there has been little to no effort to address the positions that get points on the board.

San Francisco for example has three 1st round O-lineman...a good reason their O-line dominates...but they also have two 1st round WRs in Michael Crabtree and A.J. Jenkins, another former 1st round WR that they signed as a free agent in Randy Moss, a 2nd round QB in Colin Kaepernick, a 3rd round RB in Frank Gore, a 2nd round RB in LaMichael James, a 1st round TE in Vernon Davis not to mention a 1st round QB sitting on the bench. So yeah I'd be fine with taking more offensive lineman early in the draft...as long as we get two 1st round WRs and a 1st round TE to go with them.

You left out Ted Ginn, Jr!!!

SF Dolphin Fan
01-25-2013, 04:43 PM
I really like that draft. Trufant is high on my wish list as well. I really don't know much about Fisher, but I do think if Long leaves we will take an OT in either the 1st or 2nd. Carradine would be a steal in the 3rd and I think he may be there.

Gonzo
01-25-2013, 05:01 PM
Continue investing high picks on the o-line? Makes sense. Definitely worked so far. Eventually the league may change again and oline will become the most important thing on the team. We'll be ahead of the curve!

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Phinsfan93
01-26-2013, 03:51 AM
Fisher is going in the top 10 and Trufant will move into the 1st with his performance in the Senior Bowl. I also think that we need to draft Bailey with 2a. Ok with Dobson but not a fan of Sims.

CANDolphan
01-26-2013, 02:32 PM
I love the mock, but sadly a lot of those picks are generous. Those guys will all go higher :( Like where your head is at!

nando03
01-27-2013, 02:03 AM
As much as I would love that draft. I don't think Trufant will fall that far. Fisher may not be on the board there either. Where we are in round 2 we will probably be looking at Logan Ryan CB from Rutgers if we go CB there. Personally I hope that Jake Long sings a deal that works for both parties. Free us up to draft elsewhere in round 1. Maybe trade back and pick up Patterson or Allen. Ertz in the early 2nd round or CB. Kyle Long had himself a solid Senior Bowl. He would be great in the middle rounds. I really like your Cornelius "Tank" Carradine pick. He's a sleeper in the middle rounds because of the injury he had. Had he stayed healthy he'd be a 1st rounder.

Roman529
01-27-2013, 03:31 PM
Continue investing high picks on the o-line? Makes sense. Definitely worked so far. Eventually the league may change again and oline will become the most important thing on the team. We'll be ahead of the curve!

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I know everyone wants weapons for Tannehill, but the bottom line is you cannot win consistently in the NFL without a great offensive line. If Jake Long goes elsewhere, and I think he will take more money to play elsewhere, then we have to either move Martin to LT, or draft another LT and move Martin back to RT. I don't see us acquiring a great LT through free agency.

Football Outsiders does a great job in ranking offensive lines using a lot of measurables. They have the top twelve O-lines ranked as follows -
1. San Fran
2. NYG
3. SEA
4. NE
5. NYJ
6. BALT
7. WASH
8. BUF
9. HOU
10. MINN
11. CINCY
12. DEN

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/OL

The Miami Dolphins are ranked 21st. If you just look at Left Tackles, we ranked 11th. But the key to these ranking are that 9 out of the top 12 offensive lines made the playoffs. Three teams had worse ranking then us and made the playoffs,,,,,Atlanta, Green Bay and Indianapolis....but those three teams have very good QB's and Wide Receivers. I think there is a good possibility the top two LT's (Joeckel and Fisher) will both be taken before we pick at #12. In that case I probably would go with Patterson or Allen at WR......but make no mistake, we have to improve our O-line, and we don't have a lot of options. There are plenty of great wide receivers in the 2013 draft, but not many great LT's.

Roman529
01-27-2013, 03:34 PM
As much as I would love that draft. I don't think Trufant will fall that far. Fisher may not be on the board there either. Where we are in round 2 we will probably be looking at Logan Ryan CB from Rutgers if we go CB there. Personally I hope that Jake Long sings a deal that works for both parties. Free us up to draft elsewhere in round 1. Maybe trade back and pick up Patterson or Allen. Ertz in the early 2nd round or CB. Kyle Long had himself a solid Senior Bowl. He would be great in the middle rounds. I really like your Cornelius "Tank" Carradine pick. He's a sleeper in the middle rounds because of the injury he had. Had he stayed healthy he'd be a 1st rounder.

I agree with you that Trufant has really been moving up the boards and he may go in the first round. Having some good "all star" games at the end of the year can really move you up, and you also can drop a lot with a bad game. My mock is hoping the best case scenario, and I know some guys who could really help us will likely be snatched up by other teams. I just hope Ireland gets it right this year. I think Carradine will be a great find for whoever takes him.

finfan54
01-27-2013, 04:03 PM
I would love this draft.

That said, Fisher wont make it past San Diego. Every mock now has him going there.

Apparently, people here think that you draft your skill positions first, regardless if you think they are going to be all that or not. dont understand that logic as every draft person I have ever listened to never goes by that logic. Ted Ginn Jr. proves this theory.

Eric Fisher is a beast. Anyone who does not want your new LT here is forgetting the Colombo days already. That said, a guy like Quessenberry could fill in nicely and they are high on Yeatman. Fact is, you dont sign Jake Long, you dont have a LT. Forget Martin there because he has not faced the stiff competition Jake has. People will regret that move.

People dont want to "reach" for Eifert or others, but will just book it for Allen or Patterson at 12. The need is just too high. Well, we have four other picks in 3 rounds with deep talent. I hope the guy we get in the end at WR knows the route tree so he can start day one or at least be a major part of the offense. Otherwise, WR's tend to get overrated in drafts based on need. Scary IMO. Thankfully, there is a lot of talent at WR this year.

CB is a key positon to me. There are now four first round CB's and it would be smart to grab one in first round. I like them all. Xavier Rhodes is also someone they mention, not sure about him.

We have holes at LT, WR, CB, S, and TE if none of our FA are re-signed. WR, DE, S, and some TE are deep. CB not so much. a drop off after 2nd round as far as playmakers are concerned.

allsilverdreams
01-27-2013, 04:39 PM
Dolphins-Long #1 overall in draft(1) Pouncey(1)Martin(2)Jerry (3)
4 out of 5 guys and our line still is bad perhaps it was the zb but we loose Long and were in even worse shape.but to pony up that $$$for a guy who is declining and is often injured makes it a tough decesion

Fin Fan in Cali
01-27-2013, 04:45 PM
I would love this draft.

That said, Fisher wont make it past San Diego. Every mock now has him going there.

Apparently, people here think that you draft your skill positions first, regardless if you think they are going to be all that or not. dont understand that logic as every draft person I have ever listened to never goes by that logic. Ted Ginn Jr. proves this theory.

Eric Fisher is a beast. Anyone who does not want your new LT here is forgetting the Colombo days already. That said, a guy like Quessenberry could fill in nicely and they are high on Yeatman. Fact is, you dont sign Jake Long, you dont have a LT. Forget Martin there because he has not faced the stiff competition Jake has. People will regret that move.

People dont want to "reach" for Eifert or others, but will just book it for Allen or Patterson at 12. The need is just too high. Well, we have four other picks in 3 rounds with deep talent. I hope the guy we get in the end at WR knows the route tree so he can start day one or at least be a major part of the offense. Otherwise, WR's tend to get overrated in drafts based on need. Scary IMO. Thankfully, there is a lot of talent at WR this year.

CB is a key positon to me. There are now four first round CB's and it would be smart to grab one in first round. I like them all. Xavier Rhodes is also someone they mention, not sure about him.

We have holes at LT, WR, CB, S, and TE if none of our FA are re-signed. WR, DE, S, and some TE are deep. CB not so much. a drop off after 2nd round as far as playmakers are concerned.San Diego needs some serious help on there Oline. I agree I don't think he makes it past San Diego as Rivers needs protection.

Gonzo
01-27-2013, 06:08 PM
I know everyone wants weapons for Tannehill, but the bottom line is you cannot win consistently in the NFL without a great offensive line. If Jake Long goes elsewhere, and I think he will take more money to play elsewhere, then we have to either move Martin to LT, or draft another LT and move Martin back to RT. I don't see us acquiring a great LT through free agency.

Football Outsiders does a great job in ranking offensive lines using a lot of measurables. They have the top twelve O-lines ranked as follows -
1. San Fran
2. NYG
3. SEA
4. NE
5. NYJ
6. BALT
7. WASH
8. BUF
9. HOU
10. MINN
11. CINCY
12. DEN

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/OL

The Miami Dolphins are ranked 21st. If you just look at Left Tackles, we ranked 11th. But the key to these ranking are that 9 out of the top 12 offensive lines made the playoffs. Three teams had worse ranking then us and made the playoffs,,,,,Atlanta, Green Bay and Indianapolis....but those three teams have very good QB's and Wide Receivers. I think there is a good possibility the top two LT's (Joeckel and Fisher) will both be taken before we pick at #12. In that case I probably would go with Patterson or Allen at WR......but make no mistake, we have to improve our O-line, and we don't have a lot of options. There are plenty of great wide receivers in the 2013 draft, but not many great LT's.
Really can't stand stats. People rely on them so much. I'll try it myself. We've prioritized the line over everything the past decade, particularly during the Parcells and co. years (includes now), and yet here we are talking about drafting another lineman high while still completely incapable of scoring any points. So, the plan is to continue investing high on this line, making sure all of them are at least 2nd round picks before we start addressing the positions that actually matter? With the line being a top priority, we still haven't had a winning season. We've broken into the top 20 in scoring twice (15th, 16th, and 17th) over the past decade. That's horrible and I can guarantee it's not because of our offensive line.

A strong offensive line is great, but it doesn't require taking players high every.single.year. We need people that can put points on the board and prevent points on the defensive side. Period. Get the cornfed later in the draft.

Birdmond
01-27-2013, 06:18 PM
Continue investing high picks on the o-line? Makes sense. Definitely worked so far. Eventually the league may change again and oline will become the most important thing on the team. We'll be ahead of the curve!

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