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fanfin
01-27-2013, 10:00 PM
as much as I would be opposed to drafting a tackle first round... A. He is not a reach as most have him a top 12-15 prospect B. Fills a MAJOR need C. has tremendous upside. only been playing tackle a few years originally enrolled at Oklahoma as a 6'6 202 Quarterback. He claims to run a 4.7 and has the best feet on a tackle I've seen. This would most likely mean the signing of Greg/Wallace/Bowe AND Hartline. As much as everyone doesn't think offensive line is important look at the super bowl teams. Two tremendous offensive lines. Johnson is also a perfect fit for the WCO due to his athleticism. I would rather keep long but with him wanting a huge contract that may not happen. I would still keep Long for 10-12 million per season because it creates another need to our team, but if Long is gone I hope our #1 pick is Lane Johnson.. I watched both Johnson and Joeckel the A&M guy vs Texas and came away more impressed with Johnson

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 12:42 AM
I think he might be the best offensive tackle in the draft. No I don't think it would be a reach at 12 overall and even though we're all very anxious to get the skill positions filled out, if you're allowing Jake Long to walk then it wouldn't be a bad pickup.

Twitches Brew
01-28-2013, 01:07 AM
Watching the senior bowl I was surprised at how wide he is. I know that's a kinda weird obervation, but he moves really well for a guy who has that wide of a frame.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 01:47 PM
highest upside talent in mobile this week...better feet than eric fisher...when i saw him sprint to the sideline on that tipped ball int and force the guy out of bounds i almost fell dead he looked so good doing it at 306 lbs...this kids got special talents...add another 10 lbs to that frame with those feet that ability to bend and move and you have yourself a rediculous zbs left tackle...

kid looked terrific...upside is higher than any tackle in the draft...kids gonna destroy the combine...

j-off-her-doll
01-28-2013, 02:59 PM
Only OT I would be fine with drafting at 12.

Don't know that he makes it to 12, but . . .

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 03:27 PM
when you talk about premium athletic talents with rare movement skills and serious upside lane johnsons on the list...so is a barkevious mingo...just guys with rediculous tools and ooze upside...

this is called swinging for the fences...not playing it safe...safe has gotten us nowhere

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 03:45 PM
I think Barkevious Mingo is swinging for the fences (in the reckless way, IMO). I'm not in favor of taking a look at Barkevious Mingo until the 2nd round.

I don't think Lane Johnson is swinging for the fences. Lane Johnson is taking an offensive tackle you pretty much know is going to be very good, and even if he can't play the left side you know he can play the right side (played both at Oklahoma). Lane Johnson is replacing the offensive tackle you're losing in Jake Long except getting a guy that might not be as good overall but is probably better for the zone scheme. It's no more swinging for the fences than it was to take Mike Pouncey at #15 overall in 2011.

If you're really swinging for the fences at defensive end at 12 overall then in my opinion you're taking Cornellius Carridine, knee injury and all. That's swinging for the fences. That's proven, demonstrable NFL caliber return, in exchange for medical risk.

Swinging for the fences would also be Cordarrelle Patterson. If it pans out you've impacted your team pretty heavily, the way Julio Jones has impacted the Falcons. If not...ouch...

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 03:52 PM
why would anyone think a guy that athletic and that much of a move athlete can't play the left side...makes no sense to me...he might need a year to season and work on getting stronger but he's got special tools...at minimum he's a year one swing tackle

carradine at #12 coming off an acl is what's wreckless...

pattersons not the same level physical specimen as julio jones was when he came out...i doubt he sniffs jones combine #'s

blitzhappy
01-28-2013, 04:05 PM
Carradine after the first rd. would be great crazy to think FSU possibly could have had 3 first rd. De's in this draft! Patterson is guy right now though at 12 hard to argue his big play potential. Johnson is one of the safest picks in this draft.

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 04:15 PM
Brandon Jenkins was never destined to be a 1st round pick. The FSU defense was better off for Jenkins having gotten hurt, opening the door for Carridine to play full time.

The very term "swinging for the fences" implies recklessness. So yeah, taking Carridine with a knee injury that has a 95% successful recovery rate would be a little bit reckless.

But it's even more reckless IMO to take a guy that hasn't proven on the football field that he can actually be productive in the one dimension that he's got going for him.

blitzhappy
01-28-2013, 04:41 PM
Destined would be the right word being he didn't get to play his final season lol. Any word on his recovery?

uk_dolfan
01-28-2013, 04:43 PM
Is this the guy who used to play qb? Or is that a different OT?

blitzhappy
01-28-2013, 04:45 PM
Ya that's Johnson.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 04:51 PM
carradine may not even suit up in 2013...even if he does pull a miracle and be a full go come training camp you're pretty much looking at 18 months before he's 100 percent again...too risky at #12...

mingo is gonna blow the doors off the combine in a few weeks and any 2nd round stuff will be out the window...i'll take a situational rusher with those physical tools who's light in the pants right now any day with that pick...especially one that can play with his hand in the dirt...and has that kind of acceleration change of direction closing speed and hips...

i bet he comes to the combine at 250 lbs or more...

Roman529
01-28-2013, 04:54 PM
My sleeper pick is David Bakhtiari, OT, from my alma mater, Colorado. This guy graded out higher than former CU Buff Nate Solder who is now the LT for the Patriots. CU had a really horrible season but Bakhtiari was one of the few brights spots. He is nowhere near the size of Ponder but I think he will make a fine LT or RT. If he is there in round four, I would take him. Most mocks have him going between round 3 and 5.

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blitzhappy
01-28-2013, 05:02 PM
I don't know hoops Mingo in my opinion should have been further along in his development than he showed this season, there are a few pass rushers I would be more comfortable with at this point.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 05:09 PM
mingos physical tools are as good as they come...the initial get off the acceleration the ability to bend and redirect...all on a 6 ft 5 frame with terrific arm length that can carry more weight...and move like a joystick...

his pass rush needs refinement and work no doubt about it but i would be willing to work with the tools he has all day long and mold that kid like clay...you can't teach so many of his god given gifts...you can't teach that get off that length the ability to redirect on a dime the straight line speed and acceleration...you just can't...

i'd bet on that kids stuff any day all day...

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 05:16 PM
also when i look at mingo and lane johnson i don't look at them as what they are right now although they ooze rediculous tools...i look at what they are in 2 years from now...and i see filthy 315 lb left tackle with the best feet maybe in the game with johnson and double digit pass rush impact who makes game changing plays in mingo who as a 43 de carries 260 lbs well...

blitzhappy
01-28-2013, 05:17 PM
Well no doubt we need someone with those characteristics opposite Wake. I don't see much of them from Vernon. He has the knack for making plays, I would rather see him in more of a linebacker role though.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 05:23 PM
vernon still has some pass rush upside imo...i wouldn't give up on him with that yet...but i'd look to supplement him this year...he doesn't have elite stuff...but he moves pretty well and he changes direction well...you never know though at lb if he'd be able to handle much man coverage...i'd be concerned about that...

he flashed at times...definitely not consistent but imo there's still more meat on the bone pass rush wise...

finfan54
01-28-2013, 05:42 PM
well there ya go! Solidify that LT spot and be done with it! onward to cb/wr.

would be nice to trade down. be saying that forever.

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 07:09 PM
carradine may not even suit up in 2013...even if he does pull a miracle and be a full go come training camp you're pretty much looking at 18 months before he's 100 percent again...too risky at #12...

mingo is gonna blow the doors off the combine in a few weeks and any 2nd round stuff will be out the window...i'll take a situational rusher with those physical tools who's light in the pants right now any day with that pick...especially one that can play with his hand in the dirt...and has that kind of acceleration change of direction closing speed and hips...

i bet he comes to the combine at 250 lbs or more...

2013 is just one year, in the grande scheme of things. There's a lot more 2014/2015/2016/2017/2018's than there are 2013's. If you're taking a guy higher because of 2013, you're going to love patting yourself on the back for that one year, but you're going to hate taking the criticism for the next five.

In the end, taking Mingo over Carridine can't be about 2013. It's got to be because you think Mingo is better.

I do not.

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 07:12 PM
also when i look at mingo and lane johnson i don't look at them as what they are right now although they ooze rediculous tools...i look at what they are in 2 years from now...and i see filthy 315 lb left tackle with the best feet maybe in the game with johnson and double digit pass rush impact who makes game changing plays in mingo who as a 43 de carries 260 lbs well...

With Mingo, that's true. You can't afford to look at what he is right now because what he is right now is not all that great of a football player. It's all about the p-word...potential. He could be great. He really could be. Somewhere down the road.

But with Lane Johnson I'm absolutely looking at what he is right now. He's a batteries-included player that should be good right off the bat.

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 07:20 PM
I hope there's meat on the bone with Olivier Vernon. But I saw none in 2012. He just couldn't win...at all. You've got to be able to go match up on a player and win sometimes. I hate to invoke Bill Parcells into this but the whole "if they don't bite as pups they don't bite" thing comes to mind. He's clearly a nice motor player that has strong hands and can play the run. But does he WIN against blockers in pass rush? Almost never.

If you draft Barkevious Mingo, kiss Olivier Vernon's ass goodbye as far as trying to see if there's any meat on the bone with him as a pass rusher. He's on the shelf. If he's not, then Mingo is, and that would be an even bigger shame...because that's what Mingo would be here to do.

I don't know that you have to reach to replace Olivier Vernon. I think you can do it, if you're smart, at more bargain levels. Another Cornelius, this one being Cornelius Washington, is the SPITTING IMAGE of Mark Anderson back in the day. He was highly, highly impressive at the Senior Bowl practices, and during the game itself where he made every bit as much an impact as Ezekiel Ansah. Watching Washington on film you're not going to have any illusions of him being some great all-around player with varied responsibilities on three downs in a multiple style defense. That's what he was at Georgia but it's also the reason he came to the Senior Bowl as a totally unknown quantity even though he played for a major school like Georgia. But one thing you can imagine him doing is putting that hand on the ground and just exploding into offensive tackles in pass rush on appropriate passing downs. You put him in the game to help you close out an opponent that needs to score in order to come back or try and win the game.

If Miami doesn't draft Cornelius Washington, I know that at some point the Seattle Seahawks will come hunting for him.

2413fanphins
01-28-2013, 08:19 PM
also when i look at mingo and lane johnson i don't look at them as what they are right now although they ooze rediculous tools...i look at what they are in 2 years from now...and i see filthy 315 lb left tackle with the best feet maybe in the game with johnson and double digit pass rush impact who makes game changing plays in mingo who as a 43 de carries 260 lbs well...


couldn't agree more.

can't imagine watching mingo and not coming away salivating.

finsfanjay13
01-28-2013, 08:31 PM
As of right now, Mingo is all potential and little production. I recognize him as a could be, but I'd be much more interested in drafting a higher probability than a coin flip at #12.

uk_dolfan
01-28-2013, 09:45 PM
Mingo wont get past the Jets, Ryan will love him.

J Tes
01-28-2013, 10:14 PM
Mingo wont get past the Jets, Ryan will love him.

Let him have him. I couldn't care less about this supposed potential with Mingo. At this point he's just not a very good football player. He's a specialty player that isn't even very good at his specialty. If you're going to be a one trick pony you better be damn good at the trick...Mingo isn't. Fall in love with his "potential" all you want. Give me football players. I'll take the Zach Thomas's and beat your Mike Mamula work out warriors everytime

ckparrothead
01-28-2013, 11:23 PM
I like Mingo but I don't know how you take a fairly one-dimensional guy that isn't very well proven at that one dimension all the way up at #12 overall. It just strikes me as off in some way. You can do it, there's always going to be circumstances that maybe get in the way and you can take account of them...but at #12 overall? Seems risky.

If you're taking a guy like that, one dimensional that isn't well proven in his one dimension, I say wait a round, go for a Corey Lemonier...or wait a couple of rounds, go for a Cornelius Washington.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 11:38 PM
what a poor guy to compare mingos potential to...mike mamula...good grief...as for a coin flip with kiko mingo i don't see it that way at all...jpp who i realize has more weight etc was not a dominant pass rush force in college neither was jj watt...but what they both had and have is rediculous tools...you can bet on guys with average tools and high en production all you want...looking around the league the guys with the elite tools like a von miller like a cam wake from a explosion and burst aspect like a jj watt like a jpp who destroys people with his quickness and his length and not so much his rush repertoire are the kind of stuff i'm taking a chance on with a top 12 pick

give me the elite edge rush physical tools i'll mold the guy into a difference maker...the way i look at things...if you don't possess em the chances you'll be truly elite become an uphill climb imo...

did you guys watch the lsu bowl game??? mingo showed off lateral agility and shot the gap so fast on the first run play on the edge the pulling guard could never even lay a hand on him...that's not average...that's special...forced a fumble on a play he practically took the hand off himself he was so quick and explosive...he's not undersized he's 6 ft 5 and vines for arms...gets off the ball with a hand in the dirt better than any edge rush prospect in this class...fires off the ball...

as for cornelius washington my problem with himis he's really been underwhelming for me when i have watched georgia tape...kind of just a guy...not popped off the screen...so when i see a guy not really show much all season and then explode on the scene in a all star setting there's a bit of a red flag for me there...but i think the mark anderson comparison off what i saw senior bowl week looks like a pretty good one...i'm not opposed to burning a 3rd round pick on the kids upside as a situational rusher...an awful lot of potential without production with washington

finfan54
01-28-2013, 11:49 PM
Let him have him. I couldn't care less about this supposed potential with Mingo. At this point he's just not a very good football player. He's a specialty player that isn't even very good at his specialty. If you're going to be a one trick pony you better be damn good at the trick...Mingo isn't. Fall in love with his "potential" all you want. Give me football players. I'll take the Zach Thomas's and beat your Mike Mamula work out warriors everytime

I second that notion but got a feeling like he needs a big ass DT. They took the N. Carolina DE last year.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 11:56 PM
the last thing i want is mingo in our division...i would much rather see the jets take a dion jordan and face him than mingo off the edge...i'm not sure the jets would prefer mingo though cause he's at his best as a rusher with a hand in the dirt...why i think just about all the 43 teams will salivate about his upside as a 43 de...

also compared to jordan and the way he was used at oregon mingo as an olb is a much bigger projection as a 34 olb...i'm sure he could do it and do it well but ideally i think you want that kid going forward and with a hand in the dirt...dropping into the flats and a soft zone though shouldn't be much of a problem...

we'll see how much buzz mingo gets after he gets done at the combine...and drops some db like change of direction type #'s and runs a 4.5

ckparrothead
01-29-2013, 12:14 AM
what a poor guy to compare mingos potential to...mike mamula...good grief...as for a coin flip with kiko mingo i don't see it that way at all...jpp who i realize has more weight etc was not a dominant pass rush force in college neither was jj watt...but what they both had and have is rediculous tools...you can bet on guys with average tools and high en production all you want...looking around the league the guys with the elite tools like a von miller like a cam wake from a explosion and burst aspect like a jj watt like a jpp who destroys people with his quickness and his length and not so much his rush repertoire are the kind of stuff i'm taking a chance on with a top 12 pick

give me the elite edge rush physical tools i'll mold the guy into a difference maker...the way i look at things...if you don't possess em the chances you'll be truly elite become an uphill climb imo...

did you guys watch the lsu bowl game??? mingo showed off lateral agility and shot the gap so fast on the first run play on the edge the pulling guard could never even lay a hand on him...that's not average...that's special...forced a fumble on a play he practically took the hand off himself he was so quick and explosive...he's not undersized he's 6 ft 5 and vines for arms...gets off the ball with a hand in the dirt better than any edge rush prospect in this class...fires off the ball...

as for cornelius washington my problem with himis he's really been underwhelming for me when i have watched georgia tape...kind of just a guy...not popped off the screen...so when i see a guy not really show much all season and then explode on the scene in a all star setting there's a bit of a red flag for me there...but i think the mark anderson comparison off what i saw senior bowl week looks like a pretty good one...i'm not opposed to burning a 3rd round pick on the kids upside as a situational rusher...an awful lot of potential without production with washington

I don't see comparing Barkevious Mingo to either Jason Pierre-Paul or J.J. Watt for exactly the reason you already said, those guys were bigger and stronger and more well-rounded. Especially J.J. Watt. You were never going to run into any kind of danger with him being a bust even if he wasn't the kind of pass rusher he's become. He was always going to be at worst a devastating run defender and a guy with great awareness.

Mingo's problem, the reason he doesn't finish plays, is a lack of balance and bending ability. Watt always had that, and so did Jason Pierre-Paul.

I'm not opposed to guys at 12 overall that weren't totally productive for one reason or another as pass rushers. But if we're going that route I want the guy to have the potential to be a complete player, being big and strong to go along with the athletic ability.

Digital
01-29-2013, 12:20 AM
I'm one of the few on this board who thinks we may re-sign Long to a reasonable contract. I sure hope it happens. But, if it doesn't, we need to draft a LT. If either of Fisher or Johnson are available, I'd definitely see us drafting them. After Joeckel and those two go off the board, I'm not sure there's really any more starting LT's in this draft. I like Pugh as a G. Kyle Long is still too raw to start at LT immediately. Letting Jake Long go would really force our hand in the draft. I don't wanna be the 2013 Arizona Cardinasl. :(

I'd be much happier drafting WR's and TE's, but I'm just fine if one of the elite pass rushers falls to us too. Martin and Garner simply isn't going to work.

hooshoops
01-29-2013, 12:48 AM
well if mingo can't bend or lacks balance those things should be apparent at the combine on field work etc...i haven't seen anything like that personally but it's something to look for...

j-off-her-doll
01-29-2013, 02:00 AM
Really good discussion hoops and CK.

I'd be OK with Mingo at 12. Going into the draft process, there was no way I wanted any O-lineman at 12, but I think Cooper and Warmack are top-flight (but they'll fall some because people don't value the LG position as much as they should), and I think Johnson is close, and I see him with the biggest upside. Picking that high, if there are top-flight guys available, I think you have to get one. I think there's a pretty good chance that some of the WR's and DE's who will be available at 42 and 54 will be better than some of the guys we're considering at 12. Draft according to the swells of talent.

J Tes
01-29-2013, 10:00 AM
what a poor guy to compare mingos potential to...mike mamula...good grief...as for a coin flip with kiko mingo i don't see it that way at all...jpp who i realize has more weight etc was not a dominant pass rush force in college neither was jj watt...but what they both had and have is rediculous tools...you can bet on guys with average tools and high en production all you want...looking around the league the guys with the elite tools like a von miller like a cam wake from a explosion and burst aspect like a jj watt like a jpp who destroys people with his quickness and his length and not so much his rush repertoire are the kind of stuff i'm taking a chance on with a top 12 pick

give me the elite edge rush physical tools i'll mold the guy into a difference maker...the way i look at things...if you don't possess em the chances you'll be truly elite become an uphill climb imo...

did you guys watch the lsu bowl game??? mingo showed off lateral agility and shot the gap so fast on the first run play on the edge the pulling guard could never even lay a hand on him...that's not average...that's special...forced a fumble on a play he practically took the hand off himself he was so quick and explosive...he's not undersized he's 6 ft 5 and vines for arms...gets off the ball with a hand in the dirt better than any edge rush prospect in this class...fires off the ball...

as for cornelius washington my problem with himis he's really been underwhelming for me when i have watched georgia tape...kind of just a guy...not popped off the screen...so when i see a guy not really show much all season and then explode on the scene in a all star setting there's a bit of a red flag for me there...but i think the mark anderson comparison off what i saw senior bowl week looks like a pretty good one...i'm not opposed to burning a 3rd round pick on the kids upside as a situational rusher...an awful lot of potential without production with washington

Point went right over your head. I never compared Mingo to Mamula. What I said was that you keep hanging your hat on how he's going to explode at the combine and have these great measurables, times etc. I couldn't give a crap about that nonsense. Like I said in my earlier post, give me football players, you can have your workout/combine warriors. With Mingo you're hoping he somehow figures out how to at least rush the passer with his "ridiculous tools and explosion" because up to this point he can't even do that all that well

hooshoops
01-29-2013, 10:51 AM
Point went right over your head. I never compared Mingo to Mamula. What I said was that you keep hanging your hat on how he's going to explode at the combine and have these great measurables, times etc. I couldn't give a crap about that nonsense. Like I said in my earlier post, give me football players, you can have your workout/combine warriors. With Mingo you're hoping he somehow figures out how to at least rush the passer with his "ridiculous tools and explosion" because up to this point he can't even do that all that well

no it didn't go over my head...i get what you are saying and i would agree with you don't want combine warriors like a michael egnew for instance you want football players...and nothing mingo has shown on tape this and last year should be saying to you that kids not a football player...the guy pops off the screen...for a variety of reasons...one of which is lack of strength at the poa vs the run game and which i don't deny...but i'm not drafting him to be a plugger run defender i've got enough of those in house already i'm drafting him to provide difference making plays and a real spark both of which i have seen plenty of evidence of at lsu

and yeah i'm banking on the kid developing into a monster given his tools...being they are so high end...

J Tes
01-29-2013, 12:05 PM
no it didn't go over my head...i get what you are saying and i would agree with you don't want combine warriors like a michael egnew for instance you want football players...and nothing mingo has shown on tape this and last year should be saying to you that kids not a football player...the guy pops off the screen...for a variety of reasons...one of which is lack of strength at the poa vs the run game and which i don't deny...but i'm not drafting him to be a plugger run defender i've got enough of those in house already i'm drafting him to provide difference making plays and a real spark both of which i have seen plenty of evidence of at lsu

and yeah i'm banking on the kid developing into a monster given his tools...being they are so high end...

The issue I have with Mingo is that he didn't really show any improvement over the last few years. He's so lean that i'm not sure he can carry anymore weight. He has a tremendous first step and he can turn the corner but he often lets the tackle recover and he lacks secondary moves to disengage. I worry that with his lean frame that he's not going to be able to hold up against the physicality of the NFL as a DE.

hooshoops
01-29-2013, 12:20 PM
The issue I have with Mingo is that he didn't really show any improvement over the last few years. He's so lean that i'm not sure he can carry anymore weight. He has a tremendous first step and he can turn the corner but he often lets the tackle recover and he lacks secondary moves to disengage. I worry that with his lean frame that he's not going to be able to hold up against the physicality of the NFL as a DE.

i get some of that...he's got a lean torso...so there's some validity to carrying more weight concerns...but again if the seahawks can pluck an undersized pass rush only talent with the #15 pick i can pluck one for the exact same thing in the early going with the potential to add weight and play a larger role...i don't think mingo is a liability on the run anywhere near the level bruce irvin is and i don't know of any te that can handle mingo one on one on the edge without getting used...

but lets also get back to the combine stuff...guys like jj watt in the top 12 vernon davis in the top 6 julio jones in the top 6 no one had them pegged to go that high and that highly thought of til they shredded the combine...that's when the buzz on those elite physical specimens took off...4.38 for jones at 230 lbs type stuff...it will be the same for mingo and for lane johnson once both these kids rip up indy...don't be surprised if there's heavy talk that lane johnson should be the first ot off the board after he gets done showing what an athlete he is...right now he's in round 1 talks and rightfully so but once he's done with the combine expect top 10 stuff...him and mingo both

ckparrothead
01-29-2013, 02:02 PM
no it didn't go over my head...i get what you are saying and i would agree with you don't want combine warriors like a michael egnew for instance you want football players...and nothing mingo has shown on tape this and last year should be saying to you that kids not a football player...the guy pops off the screen...for a variety of reasons...one of which is lack of strength at the poa vs the run game and which i don't deny...but i'm not drafting him to be a plugger run defender i've got enough of those in house already i'm drafting him to provide difference making plays and a real spark both of which i have seen plenty of evidence of at lsu

and yeah i'm banking on the kid developing into a monster given his tools...being they are so high end...

He could be a monster some day. He's a little bit better against the run than commonly given credit for being, although I still wouldn't call him good there. He's got strong hands. You could see him playing SAM linebacker, I think.

But at the same time, is his story so very different from Dontay Moch's? That's the chance I don't want to take at 12 overall.

ckparrothead
01-29-2013, 02:04 PM
Lane Johnson could even end up the first tackle off the board. I fully believe that. He's always stood out to me on tape as the guy that Miami would prefer for their scheme (as would I) if they didn't get shot a Luke Joeckel. He went out and proved it at the Senior Bowl I think better than Eric Fisher did, though Fisher got all the press.

finsfanjay13
01-29-2013, 03:20 PM
Hoos: We already know that you think Mingo's ceiling is limitless, but what do you think his floor is? Can you, in any way, see Mingo potentially busting?

SF Dolphin Fan
01-29-2013, 03:37 PM
Good points. I don't know if people realize that SF has three #1 picks on their offensive line. It's an important part of a team even if it's not exciting. That said, my pick right now would be Patterson at #12. I think we can get some offensive line help in R2.

finfan54
01-29-2013, 06:11 PM
Good points. I don't know if people realize that SF has three #1 picks on their offensive line. It's an important part of a team even if it's not exciting. That said, my pick right now would be Patterson at #12. I think we can get some offensive line help in R2.

If we pass on Lane Johnson or Eric Fisher staring at us at 12 and jake kong just went bye bye, the world would think us so stupid.

Patterson is not the most explosive guy, there is absolutely no proof that anyone can point to that seperates him from others in this draft. not buying the hype. this is starting to become like ted ginn again. stop it!

2413fanphins
01-29-2013, 09:06 PM
agreed... If jake long walks, the pick at 12 will almost certainly be an OL... this is a byproduct the "group" so to speak that want long to walk have to realize. everybody has already touched on the skepticism regarding martin at LT, and the holes that are created etc etc...

I also completely agree with the above poster who mentioned san fransisco and their OL investment with the first rounders... ask them how they feel about that... I will bet they are thrilled...

people expecting a flashy pick at 12, should brace themselves... because a OL selection is obviously very much in the cards... personally, I'd prefer a flashier pick at 12, but I won't be calling for necks if the pick is a lane johnson... thats one helluva pick.

finfan54
01-29-2013, 10:51 PM
agreed... If jake long walks, the pick at 12 will almost certainly be an OL... this is a byproduct the "group" so to speak that want long to walk have to realize. everybody has already touched on the skepticism regarding martin at LT, and the holes that are created etc etc...

I also completely agree with the above poster who mentioned san fransisco and their OL investment with the first rounders... ask them how they feel about that... I will bet they are thrilled...

people expecting a flashy pick at 12, should brace themselves... because a OL selection is obviously very much in the cards... personally, I'd prefer a flashier pick at 12, but I won't be calling for necks if the pick is a lane johnson... thats one helluva pick.

I would be less likely to take an OL in this draft if it werent for two things.

1. Deep WR draft
2. Many picks unlike most years.