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phinatic1399
01-28-2013, 04:15 PM
Tom Brady (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1163/tom-brady) - QB - Patriots (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nfl/ne/patriots)

The Providence Journal suggests that Tom Brady has entered his decline phase going on age 36.

The only noticeable decline in games has been Brady's downfield passing ability, but there are stats that support this notion. Brady's 2012 completion rate was his lowest since 2006, and his YPA was his worst since 2008. In December, Brady completed only 58.5 percent with a 7.0 YPA and five interceptions. The Providence Journal suggests "reducing Brady's workload" -- lessening his pass attempts while leaning more on Stevan Ridley and Shane Vereen.


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I posted a similar thread about this a few days ago. I said Brady and Manning are both coming to an end so we have to nail this offseason so we can be prepared for the next decade when they are both gone. People on here thought I was on drugs. No way Tom Brady is in his decline! He will play at a high level until he is in his mid 40's! Thats what you all said. And now beat writers close to the situation see it as well. He is in the decline phase of his career. And think about this. Joe Flacco went into Denver and beat Peyton Manning. He also went into New England and beat Tom Brady. No, not in regular season games, but in back to back playoff games. Would this have happened maybe 4-5 years ago? Both are on the decline.

nyjunc
01-28-2013, 04:24 PM
I am not turning this into a Mark sanchez thread, I get it he was awful this year but 2 years ago mark Sanchez went into Indy and beat Peyton and the Colts then went into NE and beat Brady and the Pats in back to back playoff games so maybe not 4-5 years ago but 2 years ago.

Brady is getting older(obviously) and he is starting to decline but he's still a top 2-3 QB every year and should be for at least the next 3-5 years unfortunately.

tcdrover
01-28-2013, 04:30 PM
I disagree, that's just sports writers doing what they do, recycle old, tired, cliches so it sounds like they know what they get paid to write about.

The problem with the Pats, is that Brady is a superstar, and it looks like the rest of the team just doesn't try as hard as he does. Maybe there is a 'schism' in the locker room. :chuckle:

He makes the throws, not like Marino in his decline. The ball has velocity and is very accurate, the WR's just don't make the clutch plays. Welker dropped a couple of passes that would have made the difference in that game. All year long their other WR, Lloyd has been almost 50/50% with his catches and drops as well.

FrostyFinFan
01-28-2013, 04:31 PM
Unfortunate is right! Hopefully, he digresses quickly or better yet has had enough and decides to retire early. That would be my ideal dream!

petefins
01-28-2013, 04:32 PM
Good. Now Ross/Ireland should have no more excuses.

Fintastic2124
01-28-2013, 04:33 PM
He doesn't throw picks still, so that sucks for us. Kurt Warner was a stud til the day he retired, so if Brady can play at a high level even as he gets older i wouldn't be surprised

mrhankey81701
01-28-2013, 04:46 PM
He was a different QB with Gronk in the line up. Without him he had Hernandez and his RBs to throw to and an overrated Welker and a crappy Lloyd. The offensive talent just wasn't there this year. I am more worried that the Patriots will reload with skill position talent this year and he will be back to the best QB in the league.

Adam Strange
01-28-2013, 04:55 PM
He's in decline all right-- 63% completion percentage, 4827 yards, 34 touchdowns to 8 interceptions, and a 98.7 QB rating.

Sure wish a Dolphins QB could decline like that.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 05:33 PM
he's missing more things than he ever used to...i totally agree his play is showing signs...but they're small ones...

in 2 years we'll have the best qb in the division...yeah i said it...

sharp
01-28-2013, 05:38 PM
Lebatard suggested this last season, brady can't drop the dimes he once used to as consistently, but thats just a testament to how good he is

"Dwade is declining" doesn't mean he's not good anymore, still can be a top 10 player while considering a decline

Usually taken in the wrong context when people say decline

NY8123
01-28-2013, 06:13 PM
he's missing more things than he ever used to...i totally agree his play is showing signs...but they're small ones...

in 2 years we'll have the best qb in the division...yeah i said it...

The question is what is causing it? Is it age or something else, I remember scoffing at the notion of Manning's arm strength becoming an issue and guys like Jaws were piling that on by watching film while guys like Edwards laughed at the notion...............blam the neck gave out and everyone thought he was done.

So my question is it age or something else taking its toll.....if it is an underlying issue Brady could be done sooner rather than later. If it is just father time, he has some good years left in him.

foozool13
01-28-2013, 06:18 PM
Bardy may be on a decline but he is still elite and probably will be until he retires considering how great his o-line is.

Hayden Fox
01-28-2013, 06:20 PM
What a dumb article.

hooshoops
01-28-2013, 06:22 PM
imo it's father time...and it waits for no one...he may have some underlying shoulder or arm issue that is flaring up i know he's on the injury reports every week these days for something...just all that contact and use catching up...

he never used to bounce throws and be errant accuracy wise on guys wide open...and we are seeing more and more of that...as far as his football mind and decision making there is no drop off...he still sees the game like a maestro...it's a physical thing...

at the same time though it's not enough yet for us to get excited about...he's not gonna just fall off the table...what likely will happen is he'll start to get hurt more and miss time...more nagging stuff that limits him...

J. David Wannyheimer
01-28-2013, 07:26 PM
Time catches up to everyone. Of course he is declining as he enters his mid 30s. It's just natural. Still a great, great player and I think he will continue to be an all pro player for at least 2 or 3 years.

johngarry
01-28-2013, 10:43 PM
(cough)bullsh**(cough)… as one who dearly loves Providence, not for nothin but the PJB ain't even something you'd wanna wrap a dead fish with... just sayin

steeda
01-29-2013, 08:43 AM
It seems like this is a knee-jerk reaction to them losing the AFCCG. I can also see him playing for another 2-3 years - maybe longer.

beast_mode
01-29-2013, 12:30 PM
To me it's a combination of a physical decline because of age and the game passing him by. In the AFCCG, a play that stood out to me indicative of this is on a 4th and 4 late in the 4th qtr.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/0ap2000000129153/Ravens-defense-4th-down-failed

Brady stepped up to the left and could have run for the 1st down by outrunning Ngata but instead decided to throw it to a well covered receiver. The throw was a grounder as well. He was never a good running qb but as smart as he is in the past he would have run for the 1st. Brady looked "old" and "obsolete" to me on that play. This past year's draft class ( Luck, RG III, Tannehill, Wilson) all could have easily run for the 1st in that case. The 2 Superbowl qbs both could have easily run for the 1st. Do you see a trend here? The regular season is one thing and Brady is still one of the top qbs in the league but when push comes to shove as in the playoffs, Brady's lack of mobility is slowly becoming more and more of a liability in today's game.

MadDog 88
01-29-2013, 12:35 PM
Perhaps the game has started to take a physical toll but mentally, he's a strong as ever. I still think he is the best QB in the league and may be next year as well. I think 2-3 years and he will reach the end.

rdksek844
01-29-2013, 10:02 PM
What worries me is the pats actually getting a good qb behind the helm. I have never thought of brady being an elite qb. I consider him a really good qb in one of the beat situations in fb. If they actually get an elite qb, we will have many more years of pain.

nyjunc
01-30-2013, 09:28 AM
What worries me is the pats actually getting a good qb behind the helm. I have never thought of brady being an elite qb. I consider him a really good qb in one of the beat situations in fb. If they actually get an elite qb, we will have many more years of pain.

WHAT??? the best QB ogf his genration is not an elite QB? oh boy.:lol2:

grogan12
02-01-2013, 10:31 AM
WHAT??? the best QB ogf his genration is not an elite QB? oh boy.:lol2:

Who cares what a jealous rival football fan thinks? History will remember Brady as one of, if not the best QB's to ever play the game, and the stats will back it up. However history won’t mention the countless butt hurt, angry fans of rival teams that Brady and the Patriots abused along the way. Sorry Junc but history will also make no mention or remembrance of the back to back failures of the Jets in two AFC Championship games. History doesn’t remember failure and try to re-imagine it as accomplishment as Jet fans do.

nyjunc
02-01-2013, 10:36 AM
why you must you always take a shot? just enjoy the fact that you have ahd Brady and this great run.

grogan12
02-01-2013, 11:27 AM
why you must you always take a shot? just enjoy the fact that you have ahd Brady and this great run.

It's not a shot if it's the truth. :)

nyjunc
02-01-2013, 11:37 AM
It's still a shot, be comfortable in how great your team has been. All trash talk aside I hope you appreciate it. Runs like this don't happen too often. I look forward to the post Brady era

grogan12
02-01-2013, 05:27 PM
It's still a shot, be comfortable in how great your team has been. All trash talk aside I hope you appreciate it. Runs like this don't happen too often. I look forward to the post Brady era

I'm sure you do, and while I well remember the Tommy Hoddson days I can promise u this, as long as the Kraft family owns the team, u will never be able to look past the Pats. We will never have as great a QB as Tom Brady again, but that doesn't mean we can't have great teams. Mark my words, that 10 game losing streak you expect the Pats to go on when Brady retires, it's never going to happen.

nyjunc
02-01-2013, 05:30 PM
Kraft is a great owner but a lot of their mistakes over the past decadew have been masked b/c they had Brady. I don't expect them to turn into the early 90s Pats but they won't be winning the division every year and competing for conf titles annually anymore. Maybe we can actually get a home playoff game?

Bingit
02-01-2013, 08:31 PM
It's not a shot if it's the truth. :)

Exactly!! You should have no problem when I point out that NE won their 3 Super Bowls---each by 3 points--- during the spy gate years. And the fact that they have failed 2 times since they got caught. It's not a shot if it's the truth. Lol!!!