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ckparrothead
01-29-2013, 01:58 PM
I'm getting old and experienced enough to come across the younger brothers and younger cousins of guys that I once loved coming out of the Draft. Darius Slay, brother of Dwayne Slay, is a perfect example. God help me when I get old enough to like the sons of guys I used to like coming out of the Draft.

Joe Kruger is a 6'6" and 280 lbs monster of a defensive end coming out of Utah. I loved his brother Paul Kruger coming out of the same program. Paul is a free agent this year, but at 6'4" and 263 lbs and more importantly considering the positions he's played at Baltimore, I'm not sure Miami would have interest in Paul as being the kind of player they would play opposite Cameron Wake. Joe Kruger, based on his size as well as his playing style, fits that bill.

Trivia Note: Unlike Paul, I'm guessing Joe Kruger doesn't have a huge surgical scar on his stomach from getting knifed by a bunch of latino gangsters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUc_waKMrU

If you're wondering why you didn't see Joe at the Senior Bowl or Shrine Game, it's because he's a junior. He came out early as his brother Dave Kruger, the defensive tackle that started along side Star Lotulelei, is graduating this year. Joe decided they should try their NFL fortunes together.

Right now I think Joe is a bit underfollowed and underrated. It could be because he's an underclassman. But I don't think he would have come out if he got an Advisory grade that said 7th round. Nor do I think that's appropriate for him based on what I'm seeing on film.

Let's not confuse this guy with J.J. Watt. He doesn't have Watt's unique bending ability at that size.

However, I think of Joe Kruger as the player that Margus Hunt should be.

First off, unlike Margus Hunt, Joe Kruger is just a baby at 20 years old. He won't even get to celebrate his being drafted with a drink until five or six weeks after the Draft.

This guy's body is still developing and yet it's already monstrously strong and very, very athletic for his size. He runs a 4.78 in the 40 yard dash according to the people at Utah that have timed him.

The player that Margus Hunt is going to have to try to be at the next level is going to be a base defensive end that moves inside on pass rush downs. The problem is, Hunt has not proven to be an effective run defender from that end position, nor has he proven he can consistently rush the passer from the interior. In my opinion, Joe Kruger has shown both of those things in his Utah tape a little bit better than Hunt, at a far younger age.

I think a lot of people might get turned off by the Jared Odrick experience and not want this type of player. But let's keep in mind that the Dolphins seem to WANT that Jared Odrick type of player opposite Cameron Wake. They want a Joe Kruger, and if they lose Randy Starks in free agency and have to slide Odrick into Starks' old spot, they'll probably be looking for a Joe Kruger.

It's not all cakes and rainbows for Joe Kruger. His toughest draw of the year probably came against Colorado's David Bakhtiari. I had at least 9 snaps where Kruger engaged Bakhtiaria in a pass rush during either an obvious pass situation or one that was close enough that it didn't matter since Kruger engaged a pass rushing technique. Bakhtiari shut him down on all but one of those snaps when Kruger cut inside of him and pressured the quarterback which caused a sack.

That said, a play later on the field goal attempt, Kruger blocked the field goal, and then later in the game during the final 2 minutes in a perfect closing situation where Colorado is trying to score a game-tying drive, Kruger came alive in pass rush as he was placed over right tackle instead of on Bakhtiari. Kruger hit the quarterback, who ducked out of it and was quickly sacked by Lotulelei in mop-up. He also had a nice TFL on that drive. Was just too raw and inexperienced in pass rush technique to make any headway on the more savvy Bakhtiari. But in that game and others where you really see him come alive in pass rush more is when he cuts inside and rushes over a guard, and I think that translates to the Miami Dolphins should they lose Randy Starks.

I think this is a fine developmental prospect that rates higher than where you'll see him ranked most places. At only 20 years old this guy's body is still developing in addition to his technique, which to me makes him more attractive than Margus Hunt since they're very similar as players.

Bonus Videos

He may not be J.J. Watt, but here is a very Watt-like interception he returned for a touchdown this year. You'll have to manually fast-forward to 38:30 in the following video, but it's a really nice look at the play, and a hell of a play overall:

http://video.pac-12.com/football-60-northern-colorado-utah

The more enterprising of you may think to look for Joe Kruger videos on YouTube by looking for Star Lotulelei videos. Unfortunately the only 2012 videos I've seen of Star are the BYU and USC games. Kruger's BYU game is already capped beautifully by Aaron Aloysius. And alas, it looks like he didn't play in the USC game due to injury.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-29-2013, 03:32 PM
Interesting CK. What round do you think he projects to?

blitzhappy
01-29-2013, 03:55 PM
One of the better all around De's in the draft, he can play all three downs. HE won't last to long come draft day!

Fin Thirteen
01-29-2013, 03:58 PM
I actually looked at Dave the other day but never got around to Joe. Will check him out.

utahphinsfan
01-29-2013, 09:42 PM
I don't think Joe or Dave is a good as Paul and I've watched all 3. In fact, Both Kruger bros s/b selected on day 2 or 3 IMO.

Paul IMO did not have a breakout yr until this yr. It might take Joe & Dave a few yrs to come into their own as well. But, they all have motors & are unrelenting. The aforemntioned footage kind of reminds me of Paul dropping into zone coverage against byu in 2008 picking off Max Hall and almost scoring but tripped over the turf @ RES.

PK is a 3-4 OLB; he is what the previous regime tried to make Koa Misi. Dave is a 4-3 DT. Joe will be a 4-3 RDE.

FWIW; Derrick Shelby (UDFA last yr) also from the U of Utah showed a great deal of hustle when he did play towards the end of the season.

Interesting bit of Trivia... Tony Bergstrom (drafted by the Raiders last yr), who went to the U of Utah and same HS I did, is married to Paul, Joe, & Dave's sister.

Roman529
01-30-2013, 01:29 AM
I have seen a lot of Utah's games the past decade against Air Force and Colorado, and I like Kruger and Lotuleilei. I am picking David Bakhtiari of CU as my sleeper pick in the 4th round.....he can play either side at the Tackle or Guard spot, 6'4" 295, and I think a better lineman than Nate Solder, who played at CU and is now the Pat's Left Tackle. Bakhtiari had three different OC's the past three years at CU, and after a disastrous one win season at CU, I think he decided it was better to leave a year early than to stick around for a crappy team. I think Joe Kruger can also develop into a player like his brother...and I would take him over Margus Hunt.

I think Joeckel and Fisher will both be off the board in the top ten picks, and I don't think we have a shot at either one. We should have our pick of whoever we want at WR....I think we could even trade down and still pick K. Allen or C. Patterson. I think we will end up taking Patterson with the 12th pick. I think we focus on the Tight End, D-End and Cornerback spots with our second and third round picks. Walter Football now has us taking Texas Safety Kenny Vaccaro with our 12th overall pick,,,,I just don't see us doing this. Looking forward to the Combines.

ckparrothead
01-30-2013, 01:58 AM
I would slide Bakhtiari inside given his frame.

Roman529
01-30-2013, 01:50 PM
I would slide Bakhtiari inside given his frame.

Yeah he is not a tall guy like Solder (6'9"), and doesn't have long arms like him. Many mocks have Bakhtiari playing at the Guard spot.

dcnr226
01-30-2013, 02:46 PM
CK, you've always done a really astounding job with these videos. You also seem to have a beat on how the Fins draft. Between this guys bullrush ability, pedigree, and frame, seems like he has monster potential. Kudos bro.

ckparrothead
01-30-2013, 03:21 PM
CK, you've always done a really astounding job with these videos. You also seem to have a beat on how the Fins draft. Between this guys bullrush ability, pedigree, and frame, seems like he has monster potential. Kudos bro.

My pleasure.

ticophin
01-30-2013, 04:45 PM
poor manīs Bjoern Werner?

ckparrothead
01-30-2013, 05:11 PM
poor manīs Bjoern Werner?

I'd say Margus Hunt with better upside, or a poor man's J.J. Watt. Maybe a Brett Keisel or Corey Wootton?

Werner is a different creature.

blitzhappy
01-30-2013, 05:21 PM
William Gholston is another kid with great measurables and moves well. He may out grow the position into a 3-4 end though.

Twitches Brew
01-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Nice post, CK. Definitely a cool prospect.

I actually think the better NFL comparison is Chris Canty, who I'm a fan of. Canty is really athletic for being 6'7 310 (out of college he was listed at 6'8 290), and their frames are similar; like you said, Kruger still has some filling out and bulking up to do being 20, but he and Canty are both long and pretty lean with power, and use their hands well getting to the ball. Canty went in the 4th round and was the same roster story to me: lacked the bend/flexibility to rush the edge on 3rd downs (not to mention being on a DL with Tuck, Osi, and JPP). So he added some weight and played 1st and 2nd downs from inside or outside (Giants rotate alot), then slid inside on passing downs in that 4DE look they give. I actually think he was NY's best player during their 2011 Super Bowl run - his strength combined with that height and reach was devastating. Not sure he'd have to add as much weight as Canty (just based on team need), but I Love how Kruger compares.

(at times during those Kruger highlights my gaze drifted to big 92...couldn't help it...)

Thanks for the light-shedding!

PhinsTD
01-31-2013, 12:12 AM
I always love underaged prospects who have shown growth and understanding of football already. I have Kruger on my radar in the mid-rounds depending on what we do at the top of the draft.

Both the DE and OT class is filled with great depth in this draft and that could play into our strategy.

Awsi Dooger
01-31-2013, 03:07 AM
God help me when I get old enough to like the sons of guys I used to like coming out of the Draft.

It's not a pleasant feeling. At least in this era couples are having kids later in life, but that doesn't always apply to athletes. Some of the recruits next week will be bouncing sons on their lap while playing the hat game.

Stereotyping and exaggeration, so what. USC beat UCLA tonight in Pauley so I can bend some rules.

Jeez, I started following the draft as a kid in the late '60s. I can't even remember the first example of a son of a prominent player. Probably early '90s. I can think of Anthony Dorsett but that was later, mid '90s.

These days the sons have already retired or are nearing retirement. I watched the Dolphins draft Randy Crowder and Channing Crowder.

ckparrothead
01-31-2013, 11:13 AM
Shaun Gayle and now his son James Gayle? Phil Simms and Chris Simms? Howie Long and Chris Long? And now Kyle Long.

I'd say Christian Fauria and Joseph Fauria but Joseph is just a nephew.

NorFlaFin
01-31-2013, 03:06 PM
I can remember Mario Edwards signing with FSU and now his son is playing DE at FSU.

j-off-her-doll
02-01-2013, 09:59 AM
I'd say Margus Hunt with better upside, or a poor man's J.J. Watt. Maybe a Brett Keisel or Corey Wootton?

Werner is a different creature.

Good call on Keisel. I see a more 4-3DEndy Keisel. Both play with a similar violence (for lack of a better term).

Roman529
02-02-2013, 11:25 PM
this just in........

"J. Michael of CSN Baltimore says impending free agent OLB Paul Kruger "definitely" won't be re-signed by the Ravens."

That's another free agent we can look at.

ckparrothead
02-03-2013, 01:17 AM
Unlikely. Dolphins seem like they want a big body playing defensive end opposite Cam Wake, defending the run first. They wouldn't view Paul Kruger as a 3 down player here. You can't pay Kruger what he's going to ask for if he's not a 3 down player.

Chubby
02-06-2013, 12:25 PM
Unlikely. Dolphins seem like they want a big body playing defensive end opposite Cam Wake, defending the run first. They wouldn't view Paul Kruger as a 3 down player here. You can't pay Kruger what he's going to ask for if he's not a 3 down player.
Heard he is asking in the 40-50 range :crazy: