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TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 12:33 PM
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/01/nfl-rumors-miami-dolphins-will-look-to-reunite-ryan-swope-with-ryan-tannehill/

Not really the news we were hoping for. Here's to hoping that this is only a rumor and nothing more. Nice chemistry, but not the guy we need.

Phins89
02-01-2013, 12:42 PM
I'll take him here without a problem.

felipen123
02-01-2013, 12:44 PM
I'm all for it, if he's available with our first 3rd round pick I'd snatch him up QUICK

PhishyPhishy
02-01-2013, 12:44 PM
I like it but not til late, when is he projected to come off the board?

uk_dolfan
02-01-2013, 12:46 PM
My favourite player in the draft... couldn't give a damn what rantsports have to say about him though,

insomnia411
02-01-2013, 12:47 PM
Mike Wallace and Ryan Swope on the outside with Bess and Matthews in the slot and Miller in the backfield. Beautiful. It'd be great.if we could nab Swope with our top 3rd rounder, although he may even be worth a 2nd.

TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 12:48 PM
I like it but not til late, when is he projected to come off the board?

4th Round. Ranked 17th amongst WR, 123 overall.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2013/WR

cnantista3
02-01-2013, 12:49 PM
Late round pick

MrEd
02-01-2013, 12:50 PM
Maybe this is the "slot" receiver that Ireland referred to in that Senior Bowl interview where he said he may upgrade at? Hmm. Could Bess be on the trading block? Hmm...

TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 12:54 PM
My fear is that they pass on Stedman to bring Swope here. Or that they take em both and don't address the WR issue in Free Agency. That's what I meant when I said hoping it was only a rumor, I should have been more clear about that. Assuming they take em both and move a guy like Bess, I'd be more on board with it. I don't think it's wise to pass on Stedman should he be available. I also don't think it's wise to pass on a Free Agent to save money. Those are my fears.

Hayden Fox
02-01-2013, 12:55 PM
Swope will be there well into day three.

MrEd
02-01-2013, 12:56 PM
They say he "can" run a 4.4 but is generally a 4.5 guy. I don't know. I'm more in the school of thought that if we sign Jennings, both our early round and mid to late round wr draft picks should be 4.4 or lower guys, but hey. Now if we instead sign Wallace, then I could be happy with one 4.4 or lower and a 4.4/4.5 guy like Swope replacing Bess in the mid to late rounds. Ryan yo Ryan TD! I can see that. :)

Wildbill3
02-01-2013, 01:15 PM
having watched this kid, he could be lightning in a bottle and would be a great addition. we lose either hartline or bess, i see him coming in and contributing.

Vertical Limit
02-01-2013, 01:27 PM
Swope is as tough as nails, he was getting smashed against Alabama and got right back up as if he didn't feel a hit. He got hit helmet to helmet once too after making a big catch and just jumped right up on fire.

silverfin
02-01-2013, 01:32 PM
How would "rantsports" know this?

I'm sure Jeff Ireland has given their reporters a full briefing of what his draft board looks like at the moment.

They've just seen we are short at wideout, and Swope played with Tannehill in college and decided he is automatically a target for us. Nothing to see here.

Nublar7
02-01-2013, 01:49 PM
I could see them drafting Swoop, but Rant sports doesn't really know anything on the inside. I see a lot of linked articles from them talking about trades and signings that are really just speculation.

foozool13
02-01-2013, 01:50 PM
**** ya...I would love this!! Make this guy a phin! He is an instant starter in this offense and had his best year with Tanny boy. I think we will have to take him with our 1st 3rd round pick to get him.

felipen123
02-01-2013, 01:50 PM
With the combine process he will end up being a top 15 pick in the 3rd

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 01:50 PM
Swope will be there well into day three.

:lol:

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 02:01 PM
if he runs 4.5 which is a full 2 tenths faster than davon bess at 6 ft and 206 lbs with the production he had in college and the ability he showed to separate when crossing a mans face with a 2 way go you can forget about any "late round" talk...hell you can probably forget about it already...low 4.5's he's not getting out of day 2...

my concern is i've been hearing miami was sniffing a slot at the senior bowl but it was denard robinson...the rawest slot wr available and an unknown as to whether or not he can run routes and understands db leverage and coverage...if we go that route when swopes there for the taking i'm gonna lose it...

does sound like they want a more explosive slot than bess though...

there is no projection when it comes to ryan swope in an option route system...he sees the field very well reads coverage knows when to sit down and when to carry routes and separates at the los and offers some big play potential as he has pretty good speed for a slot wr... sets dbs up well in his routes...runs good routes...dependable tough...football player

kcbrown
02-01-2013, 02:11 PM
Swope (sadly) is already better than Bess (he's faster and more YAC ability) and Hartline (he has more YAC ability, strength, and a nose for TD's).

Not sure if I would spend a second round pick on him though....tough call.

uk_dolfan
02-01-2013, 02:15 PM
Swope (sadly) is already better than Bess (he's faster and more YAC ability) and Hartline (he has more YAC ability, strength, and a nose for TD's).

Not sure if I would spend a second round pick on him though....tough call.

Swope will probably go in the late third round or possibly early fourth. You could sign him and a second round WR like Woods.

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 02:15 PM
swopes a lot like matt barkley right now...he's injured or was at the senior bowl and didn't participate in drills so everyones got him off the radar...well once teams start digging into that tape and then private workouts etc both barkley and swope are gonna rise...he already height wise made money for himself when he measured at 6 ft even at the senior bowl week...that's a big darn slot for as a quick twitch and lateral agility as he has...a feather in his cap...if he runs low 4.5's or 4.5 flat better jump on that...cause someone else will...hell i could see the pats if they lose welker being on this kid in round 2...i know they like edelman but i don't think he's the same level smart football player and reader of coverage as swope...swopes like having another qb on the field with you...really smart football player and it shows up on the field...

JDRA20
02-01-2013, 02:18 PM
We may not have sucked for Luck, but at least there's hope for Swope.

TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 02:21 PM
swopes a lot like matt barkley right now...he's injured or was at the senior bowl and didn't participate in drills so everyones got him off the radar...well once teams start digging into that tape and then private workouts etc both barkley and swope are gonna rise...he already height wise made money for himself when he measured at 6 ft even at the senior bowl week...that's a big darn slot for as a quick twitch and lateral agility as he has...a feather in his cap...if he runs low 4.5's or 4.5 flat better jump on that...cause someone else will...hell i could see the pats if they lose welker being on this kid in round 2...i know they like edelman but i don't think he's the same level smart football player and reader of coverage as swope...swopes like having another qb on the field with you...really smart football player and it shows up on the field...

Good to know! I like the analysis of the guru!

Shaman
02-01-2013, 02:26 PM
There's nothing in that article that makes it a "rumor" except for the poor use of the word in the title. It's just sheer speculation on the author's part.

SQuinn17
02-01-2013, 02:34 PM
I'm scared they're going to overvalue this guy and pass on better players than him. It's the Jeff Ireland way.

uk_dolfan
02-01-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm scared they're going to overvalue this guy and pass on better players than him. It's the Jeff Ireland way.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/02/imagesqtbnANd9GcTWfEM2evCLFU5unPQQc6lXIA-1.jpg

TheWalrus
02-01-2013, 02:51 PM
Bummer. Not a big fan. I can see him as a replacement for Bess but I don't the Dolphins would look at it that way. They would want to keep both. As an outside guy he's definitely not a fit. He's not going to win out there versus NFL corners like Victor Cruz can, for example. He's a third down, 3WR kind of guy. Now, he is well rounded enough to keep out there full time in a hurry up scheme (which the Dolphins apparently want to run), but I'm not a big believer in that scheme, especially not with the rest of the talent we have on offense.

A third rounder for Swope is a reach. He's more of a 5th round guy. We'll see how he measures and runs, but that's my impression.

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 03:01 PM
i agree not a win guy on the boundary...so i don't think the he's better than hartline stuff earlier in this thread makes a lot of sense there...but lets say he does run low 4.5's or 4.5 flat i'll be shocked if a slot wr who measures out at 6 ft with that kind of production and damn good speed for the inside last til the 5th round...really dumbfounded...

he's the prototype slot wr for this offense and plays very smart...which philbin is huge on...and you need in this system...only thing that keeps him out of say tavon austin level grade is austin has explosive rediculous acceleration and straight line speed plus serious shake and bake and home run hitting ability...that and the specials return he offers...and thats why he's getting a lot of late round 1 buzz these days

as far as i'm concerned as a true slot swope should be the 2nd guys name taken off the board come april...

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 03:05 PM
Mike Wallace and Ryan Swope on the outside with Bess and Matthews in the slot and Miller in the backfield. Beautiful. It'd be great.if we could nab Swope with our top 3rd rounder, although he may even be worth a 2nd.


Huge reach. Why not let the combine happen before making such statements? A 2nd for 4th round talent....

Vertical Limit
02-01-2013, 03:17 PM
Well I think he has Jordie Nelson type talent. I think his toughness was the reason A&M beat Alabama. He was a headcase for Alabama and they didn't expect him to ball out like he did, he tore them up on the seam.

Would you draft Jordie Nelson with a 2nd round pick? I would. But I think Swope will be there in the third round, I hope.

tay0365
02-01-2013, 03:22 PM
My fear is that they pass on Stedman to bring Swope here. Or that they take em both and don't address the WR issue in Free Agency. That's what I meant when I said hoping it was only a rumor, I should have been more clear about that. Assuming they take em both and move a guy like Bess, I'd be more on board with it. I don't think it's wise to pass on Stedman should he be available. I also don't think it's wise to pass on a Free Agent to save money. Those are my fears.

Teal, I think Miami is going to be more aggressive as far as WR, then any year ever. Don't be surprised if Miami gets one of the big three in FA, then in the draft, ends up drafting 2 receivers within their 1st 5 picks (1st to 4th). Miami wants to be a top passing team in this offense, they needed young franchise QB ( I really believe they got one), they now need to fix their receivers, and don't be surprised, if within those 5 picks, it's 2 receivers, and a pass-catching TE.

scodoublet
02-01-2013, 03:23 PM
Sign him up!

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 03:24 PM
Well I think he has Jordie Nelson type talent. I think his toughness was the reason A&M beat Alabama. He was a headcase for Alabama and they didn't expect him to ball out like he did, he tore them up on the seam.

Would you draft Jordie Nelson with a 2nd round pick? I would. But I think Swope will be there in the third round, I hope.

As someone who actually watched Jordy Nelson in HS and at KST. I have been a huge fan. Jordy has always had the size, smarts and speed to excel in football. But reading the opinions here of Swope, he is a pure slot. Not a boundary threat. Where as Jordy Nelson excels where ever you put him. Also Jordy is a big 6'3.

I will be honest though, with TAM moving to the SEC this past year, I didn't watch much of them. But off of 2011, I was never impressed w/ TAM...Sherman and Tannehill included. Its why I don't care much for Sherman, and why I thought Tannehill should have been taken later (15-25).

SQuinn17
02-01-2013, 03:31 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/02/imagesqtbnANd9GcTWfEM2evCLFU5unPQQc6lXIA-1.jpg
Sucks u can't face reality.

uk_dolfan
02-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Sucks u can't face reality.

Ya m8 tiz tru

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 03:38 PM
Sucks u can't face reality.

What sucks is you Ireland haters, actually offer nothing but the same ole chit. Hint: we get it. We all get it. Just because you and many like you continue to beat the same drum, won't change a thing. You guys are like broken records. Same chit different day.

tay0365
02-01-2013, 03:44 PM
**** ya...I would love this!! Make this guy a phin! He is an instant starter in this offense and had his best year with Tanny boy. I think we will have to take him with our 1st 3rd round pick to get him.

I think he reaches the 4th (Even though I believe he is worth more then a 4th), but who knows, then again if he has the type of combines I believe he is capable of, he may even be taken by someone in the 2nd.

FinaticalOne
02-01-2013, 03:46 PM
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/01/nfl-rumors-miami-dolphins-will-look-to-reunite-ryan-swope-with-ryan-tannehill/

Not really the news we were hoping for. Here's to hoping that this is only a rumor and nothing more. Nice chemistry, but not the guy we need.

What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft.

TrinidadDolfan
02-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Stedman Bailey is the man. No doubt.

ckparrothead
02-01-2013, 03:48 PM
It should be noted there is absolutely nothing in that article whatsoever justifying the article title: "NFL Rumors: Miami Dolphins Will Look To Reunite Ryan Swope With Ryan Tannehill"

It's click-engineering journalism at its absolute finest. Pure garbage.

TheWalrus
02-01-2013, 03:50 PM
i agree not a win guy on the boundary...so i don't think the he's better than hartline stuff earlier in this thread makes a lot of sense there...but lets say he does run low 4.5's or 4.5 flat i'll be shocked if a slot wr who measures out at 6 ft with that kind of production and damn good speed for the inside last til the 5th round...really dumbfounded...

Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.


he's the prototype slot wr for this offense and plays very smart...which philbin is huge on...and you need in this system...only thing that keeps him out of say tavon austin level grade is austin has explosive rediculous acceleration and straight line speed plus serious shake and bake and home run hitting ability...that and the specials return he offers...and thats why he's getting a lot of late round 1 buzz these days

Oh, is that all? :lol:

That stuff makes a huge deal, at least to me. This offense already has "skilled" guys to move the ball between the 20s. We need guys who can put the ball in the end zone, and that's not what spending a third round pick on Swope is going to get me.


as far as i'm concerned as a true slot swope should be the 2nd guys name taken off the board come april...

Perhaps. But "true slot" guys have limited value, at least to me. They didn't have one in Green Bay when Philbin was there either until they took Cobb, and he's much closer to Tavon Austin than Ryan Swope. Green Bay used outside win guys on the inside, which is what you should be looking for. You don't want a defense to know exactly where everyone's going to line up when you bring in a particular personnel grouping, but a guy like Swope does that just like Bess does. His limitations force the offense to be more predictable, which allows the defense to dictate more than you should let them. We had the same problem with Bess and Brandon Marshall. Every team knew exactly where those guys were going to line up, because even if the Dolphins broke their habit and put Bess on the outside, he was basically being neutralized by the formation rather than the defense. It's like tying your arm behind your back.

I'd much rather spend an earlier pick on Stedman Bailey and get a truly threatening slot guy who can also win on the outside. You get a guy like that now you're dictating to the defense. That's worth more than the extra resource you have to spend to get him, imo.

miamiron
02-01-2013, 03:52 PM
I'd love to reunite Hartline with the end zone

Wildbill3
02-01-2013, 04:07 PM
Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.



Oh, is that all? :lol:

That stuff makes a huge deal, at least to me. This offense already has "skilled" guys to move the ball between the 20s. We need guys who can put the ball in the end zone, and that's not what spending a third round pick on Swope is going to get me.



Perhaps. But "true slot" guys have limited value, at least to me. They didn't have one in Green Bay when Philbin was there either until they took Cobb, and he's much closer to Tavon Austin than Ryan Swope. Green Bay used outside win guys on the inside, which is what you should be looking for. You don't want a defense to know exactly where everyone's going to line up when you bring in a particular personnel grouping, but a guy like Swope does that just like Bess does. His limitations force the offense to be more predictable, which allows the defense to dictate more than you should let them. We had the same problem with Bess and Brandon Marshall. Every team knew exactly where those guys were going to line up, because even if the Dolphins broke their habit and put Bess on the outside, he was basically being neutralized by the formation rather than the defense. It's like tying your arm behind your back.

I'd much rather spend an earlier pick on Stedman Bailey and get a truly threatening slot guy who can also win on the outside. You get a guy like that now you're dictating to the defense. That's worth more than the extra resource you have to spend to get him, imo.6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets

ckparrothead
02-01-2013, 04:12 PM
6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets

The size would be but if you really go back through their draft history, the speed is not.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 04:14 PM
6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets


Who had the break out year, and was a exception to the above rule?

mmikel30
02-01-2013, 04:23 PM
I think swope is awesome! great fit ...knows the offense.

MrEd
02-01-2013, 04:26 PM
What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft. Spot on analysis. And in such a scenario maybe if Tyms or one of Binns or Matthews or Swope stand out, we can see Bess traded before the season starts.

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 04:32 PM
a true slot that runs a 4.5 is absolutely fast...i don't know that wes welker runs a 4.5 flat...and he's much smaller than swope who was measured at the combine at 6 ft and 206 lbs...that's a big darn slot...i don't think he's necessarily what green bay looks for that would seem to be more the quinton patton type to me wr but i do think that a slot is a big part of shermans offense and a big part of what we want to do going forward and if this kid runs a 4.5 flat at that size and with that production already on his resume a team that goes to a lot of 3 wr sets with a true slot should covet him...and i also think swopes the kind of team first guy and lockerroom influence that philbin would covet...

as for the "is that all" comment from walrus ha ha i knew that was coming...i get it austin offers the explosion plays and can get you in the endzone a variety of ways thus he's more coveted and in turn will come off the board first but for a bang for your buck draft pick if you employ a true slot wr in your offense i think swope will deliver and give you the return that validates the pick...and at 4.5 flat he would have the speed to do things down the seam in the slot against slot corners and with that height he'd also be a lot harder than most slots to overthrow

austins stock is also higher cause he's a return specialist...we don't need one of them...thigpen did that job just fine...i'll take the true slot with the great size who fits the o like a glove and has better wheels than we currently have at the position and be damn happy bout it

finally the jordy nelson ryan swope comparisons are WAY WAY off...they're not close to the same player...one wiins with his strength and his ability to go up and highpoint the football down the field and the other wins with his short area quickness and hips and his ability to cross a defenders face and separate...

TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 04:38 PM
Teal, I think Miami is going to be more aggressive as far as WR, then any year ever. Don't be surprised if Miami gets one of the big three in FA, then in the draft, ends up drafting 2 receivers within their 1st 5 picks (1st to 4th). Miami wants to be a top passing team in this offense, they needed young franchise QB ( I really believe they got one), they now need to fix their receivers, and don't be surprised, if within those 5 picks, it's 2 receivers, and a pass-catching TE.


What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft.

I hear what you guys are saying. I stated before, I wasn't totally clear with what I had said. I said if we are able to bring in a top FA (Jennings) and draft another top WR (Stedman), then I am ok with it. What I'm not ok with is if they pass on better WRs to take Swope, or if they draft Swope and another receiver and call it a day. I do not believe this is what they will do, but should their plans change and either of those scenarios were to happen, it would be a letdown for me. I don't believe that in either of those scenarios, we end up coming out any better than we are now.

So I'll state my case again: If we sign a top WR and draft a top WR, then go with Swope, we did a fantastic job. If anything else happens aside from that, I do not believe it is a wise decision.

hooshoops
02-01-2013, 04:42 PM
i love steadman bailey also and would be stoked with that but i don't view him as a win only option in the slot...he's got the feet and the deceptive speed to do damage on the boundary...so i view him as more versatile...love those feet...i'd take them both swope and bailey and be damn happy i pulled it off

Roman529
02-01-2013, 05:05 PM
I like Swope...but if it comes down to talent or being a buddy of Tannehill's...you have to go with talent first.

MrEd
02-01-2013, 05:09 PM
Truthfully I want us to either sign Jennings, draft Patterson at 12, DE with our first 2nd rounder, and land Austin with either our second 2nd rounder or first 3rd rounder.
Or sign Wallace, draft a DE at 12, re-sign Hartline "for 3mil", and then Austin with our second 2nd rounder. But we need two 4.4/4.3 guys from this offseason is all I know.

eger
02-01-2013, 05:11 PM
Never heard of him, then again I have very little time to watch college football.

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 05:13 PM
a true slot that runs a 4.5 is absolutely fast...i don't know that wes welker runs a 4.5 flat...and he's much smaller than swope who was measured at the combine at 6 ft and 206 lbs...that's a big darn slot...i don't think he's necessarily what green bay looks for that would seem to be more the quinton patton type to me wr but i do think that a slot is a big part of shermans offense and a big part of what we want to do going forward and if this kid runs a 4.5 flat at that size and with that production already on his resume a team that goes to a lot of 3 wr sets with a true slot should covet him...and i also think swopes the kind of team first guy and lockerroom influence that philbin would covet...

as for the "is that all" comment from walrus ha ha i knew that was coming...i get it austin offers the explosion plays and can get you in the endzone a variety of ways thus he's more coveted and in turn will come off the board first but for a bang for your buck draft pick if you employ a true slot wr in your offense i think swope will deliver and give you the return that validates the pick...and at 4.5 flat he would have the speed to do things down the seam in the slot against slot corners and with that height he'd also be a lot harder than most slots to overthrow

austins stock is also higher cause he's a return specialist...we don't need one of them...thigpen did that job just fine...i'll take the true slot with the great size who fits the o like a glove and has better wheels than we currently have at the position and be damn happy bout it

finally the jordy nelson ryan swope comparisons are WAY WAY off...they're not close to the same player...one wiins with his strength and his ability to go up and highpoint the football down the field and the other wins with his short area quickness and hips and his ability to cross a defenders face and separate...


Agree completely. But one is worth that high 2nd rd grade, while I will still wait til after the combine to give such a grade to someone like Swope.

Jordy Nelsons skill set, IMO, is far superior to that of a Ryan Swope.

madridfinfan
02-01-2013, 05:24 PM
It's simple:

Sign mike Wallace

Let hartline walk
Trade Bess

Cordarelle in 1st
Bailey in 2nd
Swopes in 3rd

Round that off with Matthews, and winner of Binn/fuller/tyms

RockyMtnPhinfan
02-01-2013, 05:36 PM
Hartline and Swope, same same.........Hartline had a good year. Let him walk if his demands are too high.

kcbrown
02-01-2013, 06:22 PM
It's simple:

Sign mike Wallace

Let hartline walk
Trade Bess

Cordarelle in 1st
Bailey in 2nd
Swopes in 3rd

Round that off with Matthews, and winner of Binn/fuller/tyms

Love that...real push to get the O moving with those moves...but it takes balls to do this, I don't think Irelands balls are big enough to pull that off.

Honestly - I wanted us to draft 2 WR's and one tight end, but Eifert and Ertz (sp?) don't really excite me, therefore, just give me a Jared Cook to go along with Fasano and Clay and I'm good.

TealAttack13
02-01-2013, 06:26 PM
\ just give me a Jared Cook to go along with Fasano and Clay and I'm good.

I think Cook would be a really nice addition to the team. Good option that you can get for a good price.

TheWalrus
02-01-2013, 06:32 PM
i love steadman bailey also and would be stoked with that but i don't view him as a win only option in the slot...he's got the feet and the deceptive speed to do damage on the boundary...so i view him as more versatile...love those feet...i'd take them both swope and bailey and be damn happy i pulled it off

Which is kind of my point. If a guy can go inside and outside then he's worth a relatively high pick. A slot only guy isn't worth that to me. I think if you look around the league at slot only kinds of players (ie, don't play on the boundary and don't offer much if anything in the return game) you'll find they weren't drafted very high, if at all.

The only ones I could find are Harry Douglas, Earl Bennett and Early Doucet, who were all third rounders. Emmanuel Sanders has been used primarily as a slot guy but he had return ability coming out of SMU.

All three of those guys can help your team and make a few plays, but none of them are worth a third rounder. Not to me. I'm not looking to come out of this draft with an Earl Bennett for my third round pick.

Wildbill3
02-01-2013, 06:38 PM
The size would be but if you really go back through their draft history, the speed is not.

really?

Name: Donald
Driver
College: Alcorn
State (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=127&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC)Number: 0
Height: 6-0 Weight: 188
Position: WR (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=1999&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/1999 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=1999&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Low: 40
Time: 4.45 40
High:

Name: *Randall
Cobb
College: Kentucky (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=84&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC)Number: 18
Height: 5-10 Weight: 191
Position: WR (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)Pos2: KatQB/ATH
Class/Draft
Year: Jr/2011 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Low: 4.39 40
Time: 4.46 40
High: 4.58

Name: James
Jones
College: San
Jose State (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=115&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC)Number: 3
Height: 6-1 Weight: 207
Position: WR (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2007&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)Pos2: KR
Class/Draft
Year: Sr/2007 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2007&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Low: 4.50 40
Time: 4.54 40
High: 4.61

Name: Jordy
Nelson
College: Kansas
State (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=14&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC)Number: 27
Height: 6-3 Weight: 217
Position: WR (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2008&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2008 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2008&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40
Low: 4.45 40 Time: 4.51 40
High: 4.57




Name: Greg
Jennings
College: Western Michigan (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=107&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC) Number:
15
Height: 5-11 Weight: 197
Position: WR (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2006&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC) Pos2: KR
Class/Draft
Year: Sr/2006 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2006&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Low: 40
Time: 4.42 40
High:

FinsKickArse
02-01-2013, 06:40 PM
I say bring in as many WRs as possible. Turn WR into a strength and hence Tanny into a strength

uk_dolfan
02-01-2013, 06:45 PM
I say bring in as many WRs as possible. Turn WR into a strength and hence Tanny into a strength

Couldn't agree more. if I were GM I would sign Wallace/Jennings, keep Hartline and draft two receivers in the first three rounds.

MP-Omnis
02-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Greg Jennings is only 5'11? DOG. HOW HE PUT DA TEEM ON HIS BACK DOE?

DolfanDuBbZ~
02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
Couldn't agree more. if I were GM I would sign Wallace/Jennings, keep Hartline and draft two receivers in the first three rounds.


While I see the upside of adding talent at WR, I still believe a upgrade at TE is a absolute must.

Robby
02-01-2013, 07:27 PM
I would snatch him in the fourth.

iwastherein72
02-02-2013, 01:24 AM
If we sign a top WR and draft a top WR, then go with Swope, we did a fantastic job. If anything else happens aside from that, I do not believe it is a wise decision.

My biggest fear is that we are headed for "sign jennings and draft Swope and call it a day at WR".

I am deathly afraid that ireland will have no part of any WR draftee that is a major home-run speed burner like Patterson, Austin or Bailey.

Digital
02-02-2013, 04:08 AM
Swope will go in the 3rd round. If we don't take him New England will. I highly doubt he falls to the 4th. He's quick, good routes, good hands, good RAC. While he lacks the straight line speed, he does have the quickness to separate. He is 6'0 but as a former RB he is comfortable taking hits and making yards after contact. IMHO, he is going to be a solid move the chains slot WR in this league, and he's highly unlikely to be a bust. He will definitely be better than some of the 2nd round WR's and will be a productive guy. I'm hoping we grab him in the 3rd round.

j-off-her-doll
02-02-2013, 09:11 AM
Swope would have to be the third new addition at WR. If they sign Jennings or Wallace and draft someone in the 2nd (Patterson, Allen, Hopkins, Hunter, Woods, Patton, etc. or higher), or if they go ham and draft two WR's early, I can see Swope being a valuable peace. Don't know if we want to commit that much to the position, but the #1 you draft or sign replaces Hartline, and 2nd pick kicks Bess into a battle for the #3 spot with Swope. Having both Bess and Swope to work the middle of the field would really give Tannehill some great 3rd and 4th options in Spread packages. Hartline and Swope can't coexist in my opinion, and I don't really want him back anyway.

He does remind me a bit of a bigger Wes Welker. I think he'll be a stud in the right situation.

1. Lane Johnson
2a. Robert Woods
2b. Trufant/Poyer
3a. Wheaton
3b. Swope

I don't know if you can take on that many rookies at one position, but I'd dig it.

fininpsl
02-02-2013, 09:37 AM
It's simple:

Sign mike Wallace

Let hartline walk
Trade Bess

Cordarelle in 1st
Bailey in 2nd
Swopes in 3rd

Round that off with Matthews, and winner of Binn/fuller/tyms

We are NOT drafting 3 WR's. Just won't happen.

j-off-her-doll
02-02-2013, 09:44 AM
Look at what the Colts did with Luck and the Redskins with RG3. They got them weapons asap. After Luck, 2 TE's and a WR with the next three picks (with a D in worse shape than ours).

finfan54
02-02-2013, 09:58 AM
every time i look at swope highlights i think welker

uk_dolfan
02-02-2013, 10:54 AM
We all know, Swope has good hands, plenty of speed, has a knack for getting open and runs excellent routes. He is intelligent on the pitch and is very much a Joe Philbin player, in pretty much every way. He is also Ryan Tannehills former house mate and best friend .. if that doesn't breed chemistry and understanding on the field what will?

This game video sums up all of the above and demonstrates why I think he will be so effective, he absolutely rips apart Byalor in the red zone


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JCIL8U9yz0

However an aspect of Swops game that is under appreciated is how tough the guy is, Swope is 6 foot, he isn't a giant or built like a tank but he is tough he can take hits and keep going, he can catch under pressure and he can block - very well. I think blocking is something that would be appreciated by Philbin/Sherman, sort of in the way they love Fasano, not a stud but a productive, honest player who gives it his all. This is a damn good example of how tough he is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOyi6tx5E

Im no draft expert, but I watched all of the A&M games last season to check out Tannehill and as a result I sort of follow them now, I watched most the games again this season and I love this guy. He will never grab the national attention during draft time but he a reliable, tough, smart receiver who we could bring in and get production from in week one. I love this guy.

utahphinsfan
02-02-2013, 01:33 PM
No offense to Swope but Nwachukwu may be more the the deep threat the phins O needs.

FinaticalOne
02-02-2013, 03:07 PM
No offense to Swope but Nwachukwu may be more the the deep threat the phins O needs.

No one considers Swope a "deep threat" he is a slot/possession WR. Forget about Nwachukwu, Cordarelle Patterson is the ticket.

TealAttack13
02-02-2013, 03:15 PM
My biggest fear is that we are headed for "sign jennings and draft Swope and call it a day at WR".

I am deathly afraid that ireland will have no part of any WR draftee that is a major home-run speed burner like Patterson, Austin or Bailey.

I said something very similar earlier in the thread. Couldn't agree with you more.

finfan54
02-02-2013, 03:17 PM
What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft.

If we resign Hartline and take say Jennings, I will bet money our first pick will not be a WR. Much to the dismay of all the Patterson-Allen lovers.

uk_dolfan
02-02-2013, 03:36 PM
If we resign Hartline and take say Jennings, I will bet money our first pick will not be a WR. Much to the dismay of all the Patterson-Allen lovers.

Agreed, Patterson would be great but we have too many other needs to go WR if we get Jennings and keep Hartline.

Geforce
02-02-2013, 04:25 PM
Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.

Swope Senior Bowl weigh-in.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php


Ryan Swope (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/WR/Ryan-Swope.php)

Texas A&M

6'0

204

30⅜

8⅛

72

fakespike
02-02-2013, 05:05 PM
what could we get back for Bess in a trade? a 4th?

FinaticalOne
02-03-2013, 09:36 PM
what could we get back for Bess in a trade? a 4th?

A desperate team may offer a fourth, but most teams would offer a fifth. Bess is a great slot/possession WR who can move the chains, but he does not score a lot of TDs.